I've seen about 10 hunches about the third aeon being the Enigmata trying to rewrite the past to change the future (creating doubt for Nous, which is kind of represented in The Herta's Celestial trailer released yesterday), But I absolutely adore the idea of it being Finality, as they've recently approached the MC with "trials" of them repetitively going up against the foes of before but with increased difficulties. Almost like a practice run for Amphoreous? And I do also enjoy the idea of what if Akavili didn't die but found themself on a parallel world similar to Welt. That, what if he was simply stuck. It is said Elation pitched in to "kill" them, and who was it that crossed over to Honkai 3rd? Sparkle. This is an incredibly fun theory web. Perhaps the Aeons are encroaching because it might mean the return of an old Aeon? Or a rebirth, as you say, of Akavili similarly to how Sunday almost resurrected Ena? I am spiraling now. Thank you so much for your video and theoretical food for my inner "what if" author. :3
I think the reason why they say it's Enigmata (me as well tbh) is cause Enigmata has close ties to the two paths. Enigmata was born from Remembrance and clashes with Erudition. But I think Finality might be the 'answer' to whatever is going on considering what happened to the flame chasers in hi3 (except the opposite- finality was the 'problem' there- this time it might be the answer). There's a LOT of possibilities
I've seen so many theories, I thought about Equilibrium but there's a lot of possibilities Voracity, Destruction, Propagation, Enigmata, Order Finality...I don't know what to expect anymore
Also a cool theory about the hoot verse being a tree is that urnansul is actually just one branches of that tree, and through it, could lead to a final game that ties together all the games.
"Trailblazer...the path that meddles with everyone else." 😂 Also I'm just going to point out that as someone who is easily lost through tons of text later in the game, it is good to get a grasp of the whole thing.
finally a video explaining Amphoreus that isn't just Elysia Realm 2.0 i've seen so many of them that i got bored 😭 nothing against the elysia realm but i really don't want to do that all over again honestly i love the idea that we're not an actor in this story but a writer also the march 7th lore that they teased during the end of the trailer they showed in the 3.0 livestream
I'm quite torn about the 3rd path. It would make sense if it's the enigmata as it's in opposition to erudition, and rewriting the tale of Amphoreus would turn fact into fiction. I'm quite certain Herta is curious to see if Nous can be disproven. But there's absolutely a case to be made for finality. Even the voracity given that Amphoreus is shaped like Oroboros(infinity sign), the serpent that eats it's own tail. There's also the scene where Phainon splashes himself with ichor(blood of the gods), and Nanook likely has ichor running down his body. It could honestly go either way, and I'm excited to find out.
Thats definaly a good theory, but the path of Finality is not the only one actualy, hear me out: The fact that Erudition is also involved in the trajectory of Amphoreus's fate is quite odd and not much explained, my gess (based on a few reveiws on other Aeons and someone else's idea) is that something directly connected to Remembrance and oposed to pre-detemination of Erudition will be the 3° path, him being: "The Enigmata". It also links to your theory as well, since it still have the idea that Amphoreus is in a ethernal loop of destruction, rebuilded by Fuli to keep it alive, Nous's Erudition calculating the destiny of failure and Enigmata comming in to try to make it wrong and allow Amphoreus to overcome the disaster. SN: there's another person on the inthernet that made a video about that theory I just said and it explain abit more than what I could here in that comment, and also ties back to the mistery of March's origin (based on her suddent apearence in the end of Amphoreus's music trailer and an odd silhouette that looks like her in the flamechaser reveiw) and how she can be the thing that can bring salvation to Amphoreus along with the Trailblazer's writing powers from Remembrance. I hope it isn't too long for you and it can be plausable
Also, abit of detail, in HI3rd, the "Flame-Chasers" we see in Elysian Realm, are nothing more than sims of the real ones that most of them perished long ago, sims who know they're sims of the real ones. Raiden Mei never met the real Elysia, she befriended the sim of the real one. Their friendship was so tight, that when the sim Elysia died, Raiden Mei's memories of her was used for reviving the sim Elysia. Sound familiar? If your theory is correct, this will be another case of Hoyo reusing story ideas but with changes. For example, Seele and Bronya coming from the same orphanage in Star Rail. That idea was used prior for HI3rd's Seele and Bronya. Cocolia adopting Bronya? Also an idea HI3rd used prior to Star Rail. Differences being, when Cocolia adopted Bronya in HI3rd, Bronya was never brought to a high position of political power. Furthermore, Seele in Star Rail never was as kind as Seele is in HI3rd. She moreso mirrors HI3rd's other Seele, Veliona, in personality. The orphanage Bronya Zaychik and Seele came from, was not underground, unlike in Star Rail with their Star Rail counterparts. Because there are multiple different worlds with parallels to each other in the Honkai universe, Hoyo often reuses ideas for how each character's counterparts live(d) their lives. Them reusing ideas is part of the Honkai lore. But adding differences. Because of that, your theory, if it's true, would in a sense, make the Flame-chasers of Star Rail, sims as well. Like in HI3rd. It's already part of Honkai lore that another Elysia cannot exist, because she was brought upon by the Honkai. If Star Rail's "Elysia" is a simulation of the one that perished long long ago, that may avoid ret-conning lore from HI3rd. The reason Star Rail's "Elysia", Cyrene, cannot have elf ears like Elysia did, is I think because that was a side effect of the Honkai surgery all the Flame-chasers went through in HI3rd, to be better able to confront the Honkai. The method of the Honkai-implanting surgery back in Previous Era, was not perfected back then, making those who went under that surgery have various levels of side effects. Elysia got the least troublesome side effect, giving her elf ears. Since the Honkai doesn't really exist in Star Rail, at least by name, Star Rail's "Elysia" never got that surgery. Captains in the comments, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that, it's been forever since I last looked into Flamechaser lore
Someone said that HSR is also connecting with the Fate universe, since they are creating a planet for the collab. Sounds far-fetched, I know but some people say that the entire collab is due to powers of the Aeon of Enigmata.
I think it might be the enigmata rather than the finality. The enigma has ties to both the other eons on Amphoreus they were born of Fuli and are in conflict with Nous
@@imtiyazzikri6804 How can we know to begin with? The Aeon is literally shrouded in mystery thanks to its powers, its origin is by far the most mysterious because any known fact can be a false truth
Ok, so I just realized that Cyrene is wearing this Arm Wrappings that matches with Nanook’s Arm Wrappings, completely! … is the 3rd Path Destruction? Or … is the Path of Destruction just there as a complete consequence of the worlds Destruction?
On a completely different perspective … what if Cyrene is meant to be depicted as Nanook’s double within Amphoreus? I’m sure people have started pointing out weird connections between the Titans and Aeons, we literally have a Titan of Trickery that the name alone sounds like they were inspired from Aha the Elation! Nikador is almost a carbon copy of Lan the Hunt. Mnestia may just be an expect of Idrila the Beauty. Cerces being the Titan of Reason may be influenced by Nous the Erudition. We even have Thanatos, the Titan of Death who has the Styx River that is heavily connected to the Acheron River … so there’s definitely some variation of Nihility inspiration there. Aquila’s sole control over the Day and Night cycle of Amphoreus that ceases seems to imitate Ena the Order. Oronyx has the power to reverse time, which feels like a similarity with Terminus the Finality. At this point, you probably get what I’m saying, I know there are only 12 Titans, and there are more than 12 Aeons, so it just isn’t an even count no matter how you spin it. But the similarities are so easy to see … Amphoreus was a world of its own creation, right? It’s a little weird that this planet has no knowledge of Aeons or Paths, yet it’s seemingly heavily influenced and inspired by them. I know I called Cyrene out as Nanook’s counterpart in Amphoreus, because of the Arm Wrappings, and … that still sticks true, but we also have the fact that there is Golden Blood, just like Nanook, and just about a confession that this world was destroyed, just like Nanook’s world was. Amphoreus definitely deserves a much closer observation upon. Edit: Cyrene also deserves an even more closer observation, because why is there a possible 13th Chrysos Heir when there is only 12 Titans??? And she’s showing severe similarities with Nanook the Destruction? What is her deal within Amphoreus????
I'll write this down before watching the video: When i watched the trailer, i immediately thought that everyone is already dead and far gone, and through the power of remembrance we'll access these memories while reconstructing Amphoreus so we can uncover what really happened and... who knows, maybe we can change fate. Edit: Bro, what the heck... we literally thought of the same theory. Any chance you’ve got a spot for me at the Masked Fools with ya? :v
i completely agree tbh. but to rewrite history, won't we have to technically follow enigmata? why remembrance? unless these memories have already been tinkered with by the enigmata - a possible reason why the tb has the opportunity to play a role in the first place so... what if the second path amphoreus follows isn't remembrance but rather enigmata? what if we need the help of the remembrance to take down the enigmata? i mean it could just be a third path but finality seems more likely keep in mind, the people of amphoreus themselves don't know anything about the existence of aeons. it's just that these 3 aeons impact amphoreus. in what way exactly does the remembrance play a role here besides obviously giving the mc some help? idk, maybe the reason why the enigmata's role still impacts amphoreus because fuli doesn't have any special relation to amphoreus until the mc tries to fix it (because the memories are fake) also yes i think the finality's prophecy was what brought out the dark tide, not nihility or destruction. i think they outright mentioned a prophecy in the first trailer
For me the third path could also be nihility but instead of IX just wiping out everything, an emanator resist it influence (even thought the world was already beyond saving) since from acheron case, it is shown that one's could resist the influence of nihilty to a certain extend and fuli was here to repair the memory or possibly create a new future by the helps of trailblazers this could explain why the "black tide" make everything lose it ability of reason and plunge into madness or it could be the doing of one of the geniuse's since I didn't really remember what the influence of the erudition that had impacted amphoreus in a way or it could be finality since "a path unknown" could also mean a path that we haven't met in the SU, one of which is finality
@imtiyazzikri6804 I saw a theory that the "Black Tide" could also be the Anti Organic Equation which could explain Nous even being involved for some reason. That could be amphorus and HSR's version of the honkai corruption It's also Worth noting that Acheron herself already went through the entire flame chaser arc herself and defeated her version of Kevin
@@coraW allowing you to change the past making it the new current present and giving more choices and opportunities for the future and one of those is Amphorus surviving and the flamechasers (most of them) living and the eternal cycle no longer looping Think of Groundhog day. Repeat over and over and over again until you find the way to survive the loop
1:39 nah I think you're overanalysing this one. "Nova" just means "new" in Latin. So imo it just means "Paean for the new era", which is obviously simply referencing the fact that the Chrysos heirs want to bring about a new era for Amphoreus. Now they could also be referencing specifically the astrological phenomena (btw the term is a shortening of "nova stella" meaning simply "new star" and was coined by Tycho Brahe in 1572), but then the sentence wouldn't really make sense since here the term is clearly used as an adjective.
I knew there was Always Something off About It when they First Teased the Trailer I mean there is no way people could survive with Titans going Crazy and killing people.
i agree with everything u said except the identity of third path i believe it to be Enigmata. Enigmata was born from Remembrance and opposes Erudition and devs in the livestream said that the third path exists in the shadow of Remembrance and Erudition so it literally has to be Enigmata
If you have already played honkai impact 3, then you know what will happen in the future (ending of Amphoreus Story) .... Theory : Amphoreus was already destroyed.... The only thing left is just a Memory/Meme....MC memosprite(Mem) is basically Elysia...
Idk man, it all depends on how the interpretation of, "revealed by the light from the mirror of the garden of recollection." After rewatching the cutscene though, the astral express is laying down new tracks to reach amphoreus. So it exist in the sense that, its a real place in the hsr universe, and the fact that 3 aeons are fighting over it kind of proves it. Especially since the only aeon that can move through time is Terminus. Also the big theory that march is connected to amphoreus...i think its more than just a memory. I also dont think it exists in the garden. There are a lot of nuances with amphoreus, just gotta wait and see at this point.
I think that Amphoreus "used" to exist then it was destroyed, and Remembrance "remembers" its existence and where it used to exist, so it exists only as a very condensed/collective memory. Also, it was Black Swan (a follower of Remembrance) who suggested us to go to Amphoreus. It kinda makes sense if the Remembrance wants us to go there to make new memories of Amphoreus to "remake" it, somehow.
Nova, what do you think about the theory of the Titans being robots and the black death being the Anti Organic Equation, making the titans, which is robots, became silent, and humans, being affected by Anti Organic Equation, started killing each other?
@@ashy969 Acheron is Raiden Mei. Her HI3rd counterpart met the Flame-chasers. Or rather, met their sims. Aside from the very few survivors of Previous Era, Raiden Mei never met the real Flame-chasers. I feel those who are trying to put Acheron into Flame-chaser stuff is because her HI3rd counterpart befriended the sims of the Flame-chasers. Acheron may be Raiden Mei, but she's an alternate universe version of HI3rd's Raiden Mei, from an AU where things went horribly, and an AU where we never got the "happy ending" we have in HI3rd. It's not the exact same Raiden Mei from HI3rd, just one from a parallel universe. Same reason it's not justified to ship Bronya Rand with Seele in Star Rail. They may share a similar past like in HI3rd, but it's not the exact same person.
Yes, you're the first one. None of the other Theory crafters jumped to the exact same conclusion at all XD ... That said, this video is still informative, because you came to the same conclusion via different clues. (which just means, this theory is sure to be true)
Wait did they not hint that the enigmata was involved The Devs literally said that the path is under the shine of Rememberance and Erudition and the only one that is correct for this is Enigmata, which was born from Rememberance and was made to fight against Erudition Erudition is certainty Enigmata creates Uncertainty in which Amphoreus' story was made certain and Enigmata will make sure that it is'nt with Enigmata being born from the Rememberance it is the Reason why we have this New path as we will create a new Memory for this World in which Fuli may give us THEIR Gaze
No one can confirm how the enigmata was born. It has two separate stories, one says from erudition and one says from remembrance. It is the path about fabrication so we can’t confirm which one is true, if any of them are to begin with.
@@weirdo_called_F Even if that's true I'm inclined to believe it came from Erudition as it directly opposes it. Just as the Hunt came from the Abundance, a Path that directly opposes another one probably comes from the path it opposes.
@@weirdo_called_F Yes but only the Enigmata has ties with both paths, and no other paths has both of this ties not Finality, not Nihility, not Destruction. No path has this Connections except this path
I think your entire basis of Amphoreus not existing can not be true. Not just you but nearly every other person that talks on this is latching onto HI3's Flamechasers and their story so that you all have somehow collectively decided that it's gonna be a basic repeat of Elysium and be a memory world. Personally I find that path not only obvious but peak lazy work but also the more look at it, the more likely it is that Amphoreus is a real place and can NOT be a memory. Fundamentally, memories are Fuli's territory and if this planet were a memory world, it would already be fully under the Remembrance's authority. No other Path would even have a shot at it. But that's not what they have been saying. The world is between 3 path determining its fate. And the fact that we are laying new tracks to the world means it has to already exist in the universe physically.
I think that we can have a memory world without making it a repeat of ER Like a similar premise does not make a similar story Hoyo reuses premises all the time but always manage to make them feel different at least for me Also it being a memory world is probably the best supported argument (not to dismiss the others) and a thing I’ve heard others say as well
@@BobBob-jm3yy They reuse premises but not entire plotlines with the same characters. Making Amphoreus another Elysium just because they're Flamechaser is just lazy. It doesn't need to be a memory world in HSR's context to do the same thing Elysium did. Heck we're not even going to the Flamechasers for the same context as HI3. We're not going there to find something out, we're going there literally because of fuel. The only "support" this theory has is that the characters are the expies of the Flamechasers and the Remembrance is hiding the world from the rest of the Universe. Should we also say that HI3's Earth doesn't exist because it's being hidden from the rest of the universe? Having it be a memory world while having 3 Paths vying for dominance there fundamentally breaks an unspoken rule of HSR, a Path can't interfere on another Path's authority. The last time it happened Xipe absorbed Ena. So if Amphoreus is a memory world, Fuli is in full control and the other Paths would be SoL. But that isn't the case. That means that Amphoreus can't be a memory world. Why would the Remembrance hide the world? Dunno, maybe we'll find that out as we go through the story, for now it's like asking why the Remembrance is so dead set on March not recalling her past or why they decided on making a personal appearance to the retirement speech of one of the IPC's founders.
why do you think that erudition will be involved as all we have hinting at it is that herta will be there not that the erudition actually influenced amphoreus when it was actually amphoreus
according to his description in SU, Nanook didn't ascend from Amphoreus instead he ascended on a star system called Adlivun, which is now destroyed so the theory doesn't hold weight
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I've seen about 10 hunches about the third aeon being the Enigmata trying to rewrite the past to change the future (creating doubt for Nous, which is kind of represented in The Herta's Celestial trailer released yesterday), But I absolutely adore the idea of it being Finality, as they've recently approached the MC with "trials" of them repetitively going up against the foes of before but with increased difficulties. Almost like a practice run for Amphoreous? And I do also enjoy the idea of what if Akavili didn't die but found themself on a parallel world similar to Welt. That, what if he was simply stuck. It is said Elation pitched in to "kill" them, and who was it that crossed over to Honkai 3rd? Sparkle. This is an incredibly fun theory web. Perhaps the Aeons are encroaching because it might mean the return of an old Aeon? Or a rebirth, as you say, of Akavili similarly to how Sunday almost resurrected Ena?
I am spiraling now. Thank you so much for your video and theoretical food for my inner "what if" author. :3
I think the reason why they say it's Enigmata (me as well tbh) is cause Enigmata has close ties to the two paths. Enigmata was born from Remembrance and clashes with Erudition. But I think Finality might be the 'answer' to whatever is going on considering what happened to the flame chasers in hi3 (except the opposite- finality was the 'problem' there- this time it might be the answer). There's a LOT of possibilities
I've seen so many theories, I thought about Equilibrium but there's a lot of possibilities Voracity, Destruction, Propagation, Enigmata, Order Finality...I don't know what to expect anymore
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"The path of meddling in other people's affairs" 😂😂but it's too true, Dan Heng even has that line about March always meddling with other people XD
Nova sounds almost exactly like matpat. Both metaphorically and literally.
Also a cool theory about the hoot verse being a tree is that urnansul is actually just one branches of that tree, and through it, could lead to a final game that ties together all the games.
"Trailblazer...the path that meddles with everyone else." 😂
Also I'm just going to point out that as someone who is easily lost through tons of text later in the game, it is good to get a grasp of the whole thing.
Nice finds! I seriously buy into this theory now, mainly thanks to all your evidence that you found to support your claims :D
This is a really good theory hope it comes true
finally a video explaining Amphoreus that isn't just Elysia Realm 2.0 i've seen so many of them that i got bored 😭 nothing against the elysia realm but i really don't want to do that all over again honestly i love the idea that we're not an actor in this story but a writer also the march 7th lore that they teased during the end of the trailer they showed in the 3.0 livestream
Ma Bro LITERALLY got noticed by the Devs & get foreshadowing in the title's lore... Godam
Cooked and burnt the kitchen at the very end 😂.
I'm quite torn about the 3rd path. It would make sense if it's the enigmata as it's in opposition to erudition, and rewriting the tale of Amphoreus would turn fact into fiction. I'm quite certain Herta is curious to see if Nous can be disproven.
But there's absolutely a case to be made for finality. Even the voracity given that Amphoreus is shaped like Oroboros(infinity sign), the serpent that eats it's own tail. There's also the scene where Phainon splashes himself with ichor(blood of the gods), and Nanook likely has ichor running down his body. It could honestly go either way, and I'm excited to find out.
Thats definaly a good theory, but the path of Finality is not the only one actualy, hear me out:
The fact that Erudition is also involved in the trajectory of Amphoreus's fate is quite odd and not much explained, my gess (based on a few reveiws on other Aeons and someone else's idea) is that something directly connected to Remembrance and oposed to pre-detemination of Erudition will be the 3° path, him being: "The Enigmata". It also links to your theory as well, since it still have the idea that Amphoreus is in a ethernal loop of destruction, rebuilded by Fuli to keep it alive, Nous's Erudition calculating the destiny of failure and Enigmata comming in to try to make it wrong and allow Amphoreus to overcome the disaster.
SN: there's another person on the inthernet that made a video about that theory I just said and it explain abit more than what I could here in that comment, and also ties back to the mistery of March's origin (based on her suddent apearence in the end of Amphoreus's music trailer and an odd silhouette that looks like her in the flamechaser reveiw) and how she can be the thing that can bring salvation to Amphoreus along with the Trailblazer's writing powers from Remembrance.
I hope it isn't too long for you and it can be plausable
Also, abit of detail, in HI3rd, the "Flame-Chasers" we see in Elysian Realm, are nothing more than sims of the real ones that most of them perished long ago, sims who know they're sims of the real ones. Raiden Mei never met the real Elysia, she befriended the sim of the real one. Their friendship was so tight, that when the sim Elysia died, Raiden Mei's memories of her was used for reviving the sim Elysia. Sound familiar? If your theory is correct, this will be another case of Hoyo reusing story ideas but with changes.
For example, Seele and Bronya coming from the same orphanage in Star Rail. That idea was used prior for HI3rd's Seele and Bronya. Cocolia adopting Bronya? Also an idea HI3rd used prior to Star Rail. Differences being, when Cocolia adopted Bronya in HI3rd, Bronya was never brought to a high position of political power. Furthermore, Seele in Star Rail never was as kind as Seele is in HI3rd. She moreso mirrors HI3rd's other Seele, Veliona, in personality. The orphanage Bronya Zaychik and Seele came from, was not underground, unlike in Star Rail with their Star Rail counterparts.
Because there are multiple different worlds with parallels to each other in the Honkai universe, Hoyo often reuses ideas for how each character's counterparts live(d) their lives. Them reusing ideas is part of the Honkai lore. But adding differences. Because of that, your theory, if it's true, would in a sense, make the Flame-chasers of Star Rail, sims as well. Like in HI3rd. It's already part of Honkai lore that another Elysia cannot exist, because she was brought upon by the Honkai. If Star Rail's "Elysia" is a simulation of the one that perished long long ago, that may avoid ret-conning lore from HI3rd.
The reason Star Rail's "Elysia", Cyrene, cannot have elf ears like Elysia did, is I think because that was a side effect of the Honkai surgery all the Flame-chasers went through in HI3rd, to be better able to confront the Honkai. The method of the Honkai-implanting surgery back in Previous Era, was not perfected back then, making those who went under that surgery have various levels of side effects. Elysia got the least troublesome side effect, giving her elf ears. Since the Honkai doesn't really exist in Star Rail, at least by name, Star Rail's "Elysia" never got that surgery. Captains in the comments, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that, it's been forever since I last looked into Flamechaser lore
The start of HSR X HI3😍
That was Welt
Silver wolf, welt, bronya, seele, Natasha, pela, cocolia already started the crossover in 1.0 btw
Sparkle went to HI3rd's universe also
True but i was hoping for an event 🤣
@@ginkage5863 why would you want an event when we have a whole game xD
Someone said that HSR is also connecting with the Fate universe, since they are creating a planet for the collab. Sounds far-fetched, I know but some people say that the entire collab is due to powers of the Aeon of Enigmata.
I think it might be the enigmata rather than the finality. The enigma has ties to both the other eons on Amphoreus they were born of Fuli and are in conflict with Nous
aren't enigmata used to be nous follower?
@@imtiyazzikri6804 How can we know to begin with? The Aeon is literally shrouded in mystery thanks to its powers, its origin is by far the most mysterious because any known fact can be a false truth
Ok, so I just realized that Cyrene is wearing this Arm Wrappings that matches with Nanook’s Arm Wrappings, completely! … is the 3rd Path Destruction? Or … is the Path of Destruction just there as a complete consequence of the worlds Destruction?
On a completely different perspective … what if Cyrene is meant to be depicted as Nanook’s double within Amphoreus?
I’m sure people have started pointing out weird connections between the Titans and Aeons, we literally have a Titan of Trickery that the name alone sounds like they were inspired from Aha the Elation! Nikador is almost a carbon copy of Lan the Hunt. Mnestia may just be an expect of Idrila the Beauty. Cerces being the Titan of Reason may be influenced by Nous the Erudition. We even have Thanatos, the Titan of Death who has the Styx River that is heavily connected to the Acheron River … so there’s definitely some variation of Nihility inspiration there.
Aquila’s sole control over the Day and Night cycle of Amphoreus that ceases seems to imitate Ena the Order.
Oronyx has the power to reverse time, which feels like a similarity with Terminus the Finality.
At this point, you probably get what I’m saying, I know there are only 12 Titans, and there are more than 12 Aeons, so it just isn’t an even count no matter how you spin it. But the similarities are so easy to see … Amphoreus was a world of its own creation, right? It’s a little weird that this planet has no knowledge of Aeons or Paths, yet it’s seemingly heavily influenced and inspired by them.
I know I called Cyrene out as Nanook’s counterpart in Amphoreus, because of the Arm Wrappings, and … that still sticks true, but we also have the fact that there is Golden Blood, just like Nanook, and just about a confession that this world was destroyed, just like Nanook’s world was.
Amphoreus definitely deserves a much closer observation upon.
Edit: Cyrene also deserves an even more closer observation, because why is there a possible 13th Chrysos Heir when there is only 12 Titans??? And she’s showing severe similarities with Nanook the Destruction? What is her deal within Amphoreus????
i hope phainon becomes something to do with the finality like in that elysian idol video with kevin 😭😭
4:43 I was thinking he was about to say " we aren't an actor, we are spectator " like for fontaine 😅
I'm pretty sure the 3rd path/aeon influencing Amphorus is the Enigmata since they absolutely HATE Nous and are opposites of Fuli
I'll write this down before watching the video:
When i watched the trailer, i immediately thought that everyone is already dead and far gone, and through the power of remembrance we'll access these memories while reconstructing Amphoreus so we can uncover what really happened and... who knows, maybe we can change fate.
Edit: Bro, what the heck... we literally thought of the same theory. Any chance you’ve got a spot for me at the Masked Fools with ya? :v
You just keep on cooking.
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i completely agree tbh. but to rewrite history, won't we have to technically follow enigmata? why remembrance? unless these memories have already been tinkered with by the enigmata - a possible reason why the tb has the opportunity to play a role in the first place
so... what if the second path amphoreus follows isn't remembrance but rather enigmata? what if we need the help of the remembrance to take down the enigmata? i mean it could just be a third path but finality seems more likely
keep in mind, the people of amphoreus themselves don't know anything about the existence of aeons. it's just that these 3 aeons impact amphoreus. in what way exactly does the remembrance play a role here besides obviously giving the mc some help? idk, maybe the reason why the enigmata's role still impacts amphoreus because fuli doesn't have any special relation to amphoreus until the mc tries to fix it (because the memories are fake)
also yes i think the finality's prophecy was what brought out the dark tide, not nihility or destruction. i think they outright mentioned a prophecy in the first trailer
Because you aren't just rewriting to obstruct
You are recording the new future and solidifying it
@NiaTheMilkTank hmm, possible, but if the end of the memory was their defeat, what exactly will going back in time do?
For me the third path could also be nihility but instead of IX just wiping out everything, an emanator resist it influence (even thought the world was already beyond saving) since from acheron case, it is shown that one's could resist the influence of nihilty to a certain extend and fuli was here to repair the memory or possibly create a new future by the helps of trailblazers
this could explain why the "black tide" make everything lose it ability of reason and plunge into madness or it could be the doing of one of the geniuse's since I didn't really remember what the influence of the erudition that had impacted amphoreus in a way
or it could be finality since "a path unknown" could also mean a path that we haven't met in the SU, one of which is finality
@imtiyazzikri6804 I saw a theory that the "Black Tide" could also be the Anti Organic Equation which could explain Nous even being involved for some reason.
That could be amphorus and HSR's version of the honkai corruption
It's also Worth noting that Acheron herself already went through the entire flame chaser arc herself and defeated her version of Kevin
@@coraW allowing you to change the past making it the new current present and giving more choices and opportunities for the future and one of those is Amphorus surviving and the flamechasers (most of them) living and the eternal cycle no longer looping
Think of Groundhog day. Repeat over and over and over again until you find the way to survive the loop
1:39 nah I think you're overanalysing this one. "Nova" just means "new" in Latin. So imo it just means "Paean for the new era", which is obviously simply referencing the fact that the Chrysos heirs want to bring about a new era for Amphoreus.
Now they could also be referencing specifically the astrological phenomena (btw the term is a shortening of "nova stella" meaning simply "new star" and was coined by Tycho Brahe in 1572), but then the sentence wouldn't really make sense since here the term is clearly used as an adjective.
But apart from that the rest of the things that you point out are pretty legit though.
I knew there was Always Something off About It when they First Teased the Trailer I mean there is no way people could survive with Titans going Crazy and killing people.
i agree with everything u said except the identity of third path
i believe it to be Enigmata.
Enigmata was born from Remembrance and opposes Erudition
and devs in the livestream said that the third path exists in the shadow of Remembrance and Erudition so it literally has to be Enigmata
If you have already played honkai impact 3, then you know what will happen in the future (ending of Amphoreus Story) ....
Theory : Amphoreus was already destroyed.... The only thing left is just a Memory/Meme....MC memosprite(Mem) is basically Elysia...
Idk man, it all depends on how the interpretation of, "revealed by the light from the mirror of the garden of recollection." After rewatching the cutscene though, the astral express is laying down new tracks to reach amphoreus. So it exist in the sense that, its a real place in the hsr universe, and the fact that 3 aeons are fighting over it kind of proves it. Especially since the only aeon that can move through time is Terminus. Also the big theory that march is connected to amphoreus...i think its more than just a memory. I also dont think it exists in the garden. There are a lot of nuances with amphoreus, just gotta wait and see at this point.
I think that Amphoreus "used" to exist then it was destroyed, and Remembrance "remembers" its existence and where it used to exist, so it exists only as a very condensed/collective memory. Also, it was Black Swan (a follower of Remembrance) who suggested us to go to Amphoreus. It kinda makes sense if the Remembrance wants us to go there to make new memories of Amphoreus to "remake" it, somehow.
Nova, what do you think about the theory of the Titans being robots and the black death being the Anti Organic Equation, making the titans, which is robots, became silent, and humans, being affected by Anti Organic Equation, started killing each other?
I both love and hate how you spoiled me on this 4:50, whether or not it is an actual spoiler or not, it feels to good not be a spoiler.
I have a theory that this plot might show the birth of the Aeon of finality.
Doesn't Enigmata Make More sense to be the 3rd path?
Here before Phainon wipes Acheron with 1 hand.
What does Acheron to do with any part of this video?
@@ashy969 Acheron is Raiden Mei. Her HI3rd counterpart met the Flame-chasers. Or rather, met their sims. Aside from the very few survivors of Previous Era, Raiden Mei never met the real Flame-chasers. I feel those who are trying to put Acheron into Flame-chaser stuff is because her HI3rd counterpart befriended the sims of the Flame-chasers. Acheron may be Raiden Mei, but she's an alternate universe version of HI3rd's Raiden Mei, from an AU where things went horribly, and an AU where we never got the "happy ending" we have in HI3rd. It's not the exact same Raiden Mei from HI3rd, just one from a parallel universe. Same reason it's not justified to ship Bronya Rand with Seele in Star Rail. They may share a similar past like in HI3rd, but it's not the exact same person.
7:47 I actually would like that 😆
3rd path might also possibly be enigmata
You cooked
Yes, you're the first one. None of the other Theory crafters jumped to the exact same conclusion at all XD
... That said, this video is still informative, because you came to the same conclusion via different clues.
(which just means, this theory is sure to be true)
Im just waiting for Vita to come to HSR which i think was already confirmed?
Is it just me who realized the the MC summon is literally Elysia since they are using her feather and it’s pink!
it's also pretty much confirmed in the Nameless Faces mv
The 3th path is the enigmata
Story time! 🤗
Elysian realm hi3
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So just how penacony didn't exist
Um, penacony does exist, wat r u talking about
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Wait did they not hint that the enigmata was involved
The Devs literally said that the path is under the shine of Rememberance and Erudition and the only one that is correct for this is Enigmata, which was born from Rememberance and was made to fight against Erudition
Erudition is certainty Enigmata creates Uncertainty in which Amphoreus' story was made certain and Enigmata will make sure that it is'nt with Enigmata being born from the Rememberance it is the Reason why we have this New path as we will create a new Memory for this World in which Fuli may give us THEIR Gaze
Also nice vid
Enigmata was born from Erudition, to directly oppose it.
No one can confirm how the enigmata was born.
It has two separate stories, one says from erudition and one says from remembrance.
It is the path about fabrication so we can’t confirm which one is true, if any of them are to begin with.
@@weirdo_called_F Even if that's true I'm inclined to believe it came from Erudition as it directly opposes it. Just as the Hunt came from the Abundance, a Path that directly opposes another one probably comes from the path it opposes.
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Yes but only the Enigmata has ties with both paths, and no other paths has both of this ties not Finality, not Nihility, not Destruction. No path has this Connections except this path
Oh, Nahida. Back when Genshin was actually good.
I think your entire basis of Amphoreus not existing can not be true. Not just you but nearly every other person that talks on this is latching onto HI3's Flamechasers and their story so that you all have somehow collectively decided that it's gonna be a basic repeat of Elysium and be a memory world. Personally I find that path not only obvious but peak lazy work but also the more look at it, the more likely it is that Amphoreus is a real place and can NOT be a memory. Fundamentally, memories are Fuli's territory and if this planet were a memory world, it would already be fully under the Remembrance's authority. No other Path would even have a shot at it. But that's not what they have been saying. The world is between 3 path determining its fate. And the fact that we are laying new tracks to the world means it has to already exist in the universe physically.
Cry, keep coping
I think that we can have a memory world without making it a repeat of ER
Like a similar premise does not make a similar story
Hoyo reuses premises all the time but always manage to make them feel different at least for me
Also it being a memory world is probably the best supported argument (not to dismiss the others) and a thing I’ve heard others say as well
@@handel1111Hello pot.
@@BobBob-jm3yy They reuse premises but not entire plotlines with the same characters. Making Amphoreus another Elysium just because they're Flamechaser is just lazy. It doesn't need to be a memory world in HSR's context to do the same thing Elysium did. Heck we're not even going to the Flamechasers for the same context as HI3. We're not going there to find something out, we're going there literally because of fuel. The only "support" this theory has is that the characters are the expies of the Flamechasers and the Remembrance is hiding the world from the rest of the Universe. Should we also say that HI3's Earth doesn't exist because it's being hidden from the rest of the universe?
Having it be a memory world while having 3 Paths vying for dominance there fundamentally breaks an unspoken rule of HSR, a Path can't interfere on another Path's authority. The last time it happened Xipe absorbed Ena. So if Amphoreus is a memory world, Fuli is in full control and the other Paths would be SoL. But that isn't the case. That means that Amphoreus can't be a memory world. Why would the Remembrance hide the world? Dunno, maybe we'll find that out as we go through the story, for now it's like asking why the Remembrance is so dead set on March not recalling her past or why they decided on making a personal appearance to the retirement speech of one of the IPC's founders.
why do you think that erudition will be involved as all we have hinting at it is that herta will be there not that the erudition actually influenced amphoreus when it was actually amphoreus
am I crazy or was it stated in the live stream? I rlly don't remember
@ idk but I think that it will be remembrance, order and voracity or enigmata
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What are your thoughts on the "Phainon is Nanook" theory?
Its weird. If Nanook is Phainon, when the express crew depart to Amphoreus, Nanook already exist. What do think?
according to his description in SU, Nanook didn't ascend from Amphoreus instead he ascended on a star system called Adlivun, which is now destroyed so the theory doesn't hold weight
He’s either Nanook’s shade, emanator of destruction or emanator of finality