I respect General Hayden. Everything he said about the changing threat from states to non-states over time seems spot on. These types of programs are necessary to protect American interests.
He is a fucking Nazi telling lies ,the point of these debates should be telling the American people the truth.Now Silver Liberty you tell us all what our American interest are . First of all you would be hard pressed to find the normal American citizen knows what those interest are, your talking about. The cloak of secrecy Makes it impossible for the citizens to know anything our Gov, is doing in our name, along with all the secret Dept.Esp. when the Gov. is and has been lying to the people for a long time. Maybe you should open up your mind to people like Thomas Drake and people like him who have been ruined by an all powerful Gov. covering up their own lies corruption, incompetence and burning up of our Constitution .They have an agenda alright , and its not for the benefit of the people or in your description American interest . all the American people are seeing is greed from corp. and Gov. being in bed with them for their own interest .
Pervasive Doubt No they were not. They already the intelligence. The FBI was following the 911 terrorist before 911 happened. The intelligence was there, the just failed the American people. Slashing away the constitution and stripping Americans of civil liberties was not the answer. Hayden himself stated that they needed to spy on everybody in order to have that intelligence. Years later we learned the FBI had the intelligence all along. Countless high ranking government officials felt the same way, thus all the whitsle blowers and high ranking member's of the NSA, FBI, AND CIA all retired in the beginning as soon as they caught on to what was going on. There is a lot more you should know about Hayden the traitor and his goons Bush and Cheney.
Some disgraceful comments below. Whatever your perspectives on national security or privacy this man is a decent patriotic American. He has served his country for decades and should be respected. I am all for robust sharp questioning but to attribute to him cowardly motives is disgraceful. I am British but recognise a decent man when I hear him.
kirked007 Fuck you. He is a traitor. He lied to the people while spying on them and shitting on the constitution and many high ranking officials accross the board feel the same way. Wake up. By the way he was spying on your government and your people too.
Bravo to Hayden for trying to face down so many young folk, despite all the ennui as manifestly inscribed upon their faces. Exquisite how, @ 40.40, he seeks to represent himself as someone spontaneously motivated to engage in bona fide discussion -- but without acknowledging how he has been driven to such, as a rear-guard action, by the Snowden revelations. Why doesn't he go down on his knees, as a public gesture, and thank his prophet? It'd have been a wonderful climax to his Imitation of Travolta.
1) How Many Attacks NSA Stopped? 2) Is Metadate a Vital Privacy Information? 3) Has there been abuses of power by NSA agents? 4) Is there oversight from Congress?
+Kirill Ryadchenko 1. irrelevant 2.it ain't private, it's out in the air.use a mobile, it's public! 3. have you ever abused the law? got drunk? drive too fast?smoked weed? humans do abuse rules. 4. Congressional oversight is only relevant if congress is an adequate reflection of the democratic society it serves. The current congress clearly does not fulfil that requirement,ergo, congressional oversight is just another name for partisan politicking.
+William Lucas I agree. I find it totally amazing that folks are so naive as not to comprehend what has gone on for decades.Mitnick demonstrated over 20 years ago how to hack a mobile phone. Around that time companies were putting cookies in your pc, often without permission, with an expiry date 10 years ahead. I don't believe that Snowden actually did anything except make people who weren't informed about this, because they didn't care about it, aware. In the process I feel he did not help the security of the nation.But then I am probably out of step with the current trend to always bash one's elected gov, no matter what, like there is a better alternative in,for example, Iran
I appreciate Michael Hayden doing this. To me though he only confirmed our actions as a Nation is doing and what Snowden did. He leaves us with the premise that we need to trust the system isn't being abused even though it fully has the capability to do so. That may in fact be true that no one has abused it thus far. Can you say the same thing for future generations? I don't know about anyone else but these "powers" are waiting to be abused. No one should have been given this type of power.
All systems involving human beings are subject to abuse. Thats why US govt. has "checks and balances". Everything done by these agencies was approved by the President snd the Justice Dept. with legal precedence to back it up.
He's very much against Snowden. His rhetoric is positioned as "I know what I did seems like intrusive overreach, but it's what needed to be done. Tell me how to do it better and still keep you safe." Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
There are literally countless laws in every functioning society that limit rights for security. Everything from speed limits, to city safety ordinances.
According to you Blah if you let someone hold something for you such as the Bank etc.. Then that it is the property of that bank etc and they can do what they please with it? This line of reasoning does not hold up.
They have vaults that you can put your $5 in and according to you the government can come open the vault and look at what you have in it without a warrant. They are not taking the money they are just taking a description of what is in the vault the metadata of the vault.
Yeah... just allow every other nation else to chip away at your projected power. That will end well. You will have enemies no matter what, due to envy. Enemies need to be fought, or they will chip away at you until they no longer envy you. Its Machiavellian, Power Politics / Realpolitik - Hayden says Hard Power, but its the way that all countries act. You either play the game or get played by it. Arguing that if Foreign Policy was to back off from the world stage would result in safety... it would eventually... but then said countries resource acquisition would plummet. The USA could always do a better job at projecting its power without acting like a drunk fat toddler... but that's not an argument against power projection.
Comando96 Yep, intervention in the middle east sure worked well. Region is more destabilized now than it was, and US has more debt and deaths from it. Rome didnt fall because it stopped projecting power. Britain didnt fall because it stopped projecting power. They fell because they PROJECTED power. They did it until it was not sustainable, then once one entity over powered them, the rest did also. You are actually promoting the destruction of your own country. The only question is whether our aggression overseas will end in military defeat or economic defeat. Time will tell.
damage limitation, totally unconvincing . good old boy act , not denying they don't do those things but trust them not to anyway. if thats the level of scrutiny then Snowden is right there is something quite unpleasant happening in America.
I find it interesting that we in the West have such little trust in our govs, democratically elected govs, govs we can throw out every few years. Is it our meaning that it's better in Saudi Arabia, or Iraq,or being a member of ISIS. If we really, really fear for our futures then we should direct our fears to the orgs that are far far worse than legally controlled gov departments. Big brother is real, but it's not run by govs or gov agencies, it's run by oligarchs and corporations. Freedom of the press? you got to be joking. Personal freedoms? Really? Really? The FBI can't even crack an iPhone - but Apple can!!! Apple has no democratically elected depts overseeing it's activities. That worries me far more than govs who obtain data to defend us.
THIS MAN STARTED OFF HIS DISCUSSION TALKING OUT 2 SIDES OF HIS MOUTH. SO MUCH BACK-PEDDLING AND BREATHLESS RHETORIC SPEECH AND DOUBLE-SPEAK. SORRY, I DON'T TRUST HIM ONE BIT.
I totally get why when presented with an unpleasant reality, the recipe is: marginalize, label (tin foil conspir....), mock, then plug the ears and run from the data/reality. IT USED TO BE ME, RIGHT DOWN TO THE DORMANT CURIOSITY.
Hayden, Bush, Cheney. All traitors shoud be in prison for life.
Snowden is a hero!!
I respect General Hayden. Everything he said about the changing threat from states to non-states over time seems spot on. These types of programs are necessary to protect American interests.
He is a fucking Nazi telling lies ,the point of these debates should be telling the American people the truth.Now Silver Liberty you tell us all what our American interest are . First of all you would be hard pressed to find the normal American citizen knows what those interest are, your talking about. The cloak of secrecy Makes it impossible for the citizens to know anything our Gov, is doing in our name, along with all the secret Dept.Esp. when the Gov. is and has been lying to the people for a long time. Maybe you should open up your mind to people like Thomas Drake and people like him who have been ruined by an all powerful Gov. covering up their own lies corruption, incompetence and burning up of our Constitution .They have an agenda alright , and its not for the benefit of the people or in your description American interest . all the American people are seeing is greed from corp. and Gov. being in bed with them for their own interest .
Yeah rectal rehydration is a medical procedure
Pervasive Doubt No they were not. They already the intelligence. The FBI was following the 911 terrorist before 911 happened. The intelligence was there, the just failed the American people.
Slashing away the constitution and stripping Americans of civil liberties was not the answer.
Hayden himself stated that they needed to spy on everybody in order to have that intelligence. Years later we learned the FBI had the intelligence all along.
Countless high ranking government officials felt the same way, thus all the whitsle blowers and high ranking member's of the NSA, FBI, AND CIA all retired in the beginning as soon as they caught on to what was going on.
There is a lot more you should know about Hayden the traitor and his goons Bush and Cheney.
THE LOOK ON MOST OF THESE YOUNG SCHOLAR'S FACES BASICALLY SAY, "I'M NOT BUYING ANY OF THIS"
LOL.
Did you notice how fork tongue snake immediately set the parameters for discussion and tell you what's factual?
Hayden's truths - as true as the Flat Earth. This guy is as honest as George Bush!
Does it matter? We had no say so in this policy. Democracy isa theory and all nations fail in attaining it. Life goes on.
Hayden and William Binney should do an open debate. :)
@21:10 He mentions Fox News, everyone amused:}
Should have mentioned BBC. They're a true monopoly
Some disgraceful comments below. Whatever your perspectives on national security or privacy this man is a decent patriotic American. He has served his country for decades and should be respected. I am all for robust sharp questioning but to attribute to him cowardly motives is disgraceful. I am British but recognise a decent man when I hear him.
Served in his country by allowing the violation of privacy of millions of Americans? Indeed.
kirked007 Fuck you. He is a traitor. He lied to the people while spying on them and shitting on the constitution and many high ranking officials accross the board feel the same way.
Wake up.
By the way he was spying on your government and your people too.
Just love the way this guy starts dancing. But where's his Olivia Newton John?
The dark haired girl with the glasses on the right is absolutely beautiful.
Bravo to Hayden for trying to face down so many young folk, despite all the ennui as manifestly inscribed upon their faces. Exquisite how, @ 40.40, he seeks to represent himself as someone spontaneously motivated to engage in bona fide discussion -- but without acknowledging how he has been driven to such, as a rear-guard action, by the Snowden revelations. Why doesn't he go down on his knees, as a public gesture, and thank his prophet? It'd have been a wonderful climax to his Imitation of Travolta.
1) How Many Attacks NSA Stopped?
2) Is Metadate a Vital Privacy Information?
3) Has there been abuses of power by NSA agents?
4) Is there oversight from Congress?
+Kirill Ryadchenko 1. irrelevant 2.it ain't private, it's out in the air.use a mobile, it's public! 3. have you ever abused the law? got drunk? drive too fast?smoked weed? humans do abuse rules. 4. Congressional oversight is only relevant if congress is an adequate reflection of the democratic society it serves. The current congress clearly does not fulfil that requirement,ergo, congressional oversight is just another name for partisan politicking.
+Keith Robotham however there is and has been congressional oversight for all of the discussed issues.
+William Lucas I agree. I find it totally amazing that folks are so naive as not to comprehend what has gone on for decades.Mitnick demonstrated over 20 years ago how to hack a mobile phone. Around that time companies were putting cookies in your pc, often without permission, with an expiry date 10 years ahead. I don't believe that Snowden actually did anything except make people who weren't informed about this, because they didn't care about it, aware. In the process I feel he did not help the security of the nation.But then I am probably out of step with the current trend to always bash one's elected gov, no matter what, like there is a better alternative in,for example, Iran
Keith Robotham See Gen Haydens latest at Politics & Prose or PBS/Rose for good points
Ever heard of BIg Blue?
I appreciate Michael Hayden doing this. To me though he only confirmed our actions as a Nation is doing and what Snowden did. He leaves us with the premise that we need to trust the system isn't being abused even though it fully has the capability to do so. That may in fact be true that no one has abused it thus far. Can you say the same thing for future generations? I don't know about anyone else but these "powers" are waiting to be abused. No one should have been given this type of power.
All systems involving human beings are subject to abuse. Thats why US govt. has "checks and balances". Everything done by these agencies was approved by the President snd the Justice Dept. with legal precedence to back it up.
not to mention that they are rude on their phones, with a glazed look in there eyes! wow! I hope my children aren't this stupid....
Is this guy for or against Snowden? He talks like a liar. And talks both sides.
He's very much against Snowden. His rhetoric is positioned as "I know what I did seems like intrusive overreach, but it's what needed to be done. Tell me how to do it better and still keep you safe."
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
ah thank you, great quote. It seems Hayden is a liar and against our liberty.
There is no balance. Can someone show me in the Constitution where it says you rights can be balanced. You have to protect without touching my rights.
There are literally countless laws in every functioning society that limit rights for security. Everything from speed limits, to city safety ordinances.
According to you Blah if you let someone hold something for you such as the Bank etc.. Then that it is the property of that bank etc and they can do what they please with it? This line of reasoning does not hold up.
They have vaults that you can put your $5 in and according to you the government can come open the vault and look at what you have in it without a warrant. They are not taking the money they are just taking a description of what is in the vault the metadata of the vault.
Michael Hayden should be in prison for subverting the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
If this were a "nation of laws, not of men" Hayden would be in a supermax prison for life.
There is no protection for those activities under fourth amendment per legal precedent.
Watch the guys evasive body language--its a "tell"(a gambling term)--he is so obviously dissimulating--damning Snowden with faint praise.
my bills get deducted , when they get them 😉🤫
11:00 "nsa is in these servers.." I sure hope so ;P
When will the quick talking former nsa director catch a break?
9:50-ish casually brush by 4th amendment violation...
why not change your unjust foreign policies and live a life without any fear of enemies!
Yeah... just allow every other nation else to chip away at your projected power. That will end well.
You will have enemies no matter what, due to envy. Enemies need to be fought, or they will chip away at you until they no longer envy you.
Its Machiavellian, Power Politics / Realpolitik - Hayden says Hard Power, but its the way that all countries act. You either play the game or get played by it.
Arguing that if Foreign Policy was to back off from the world stage would result in safety... it would eventually... but then said countries resource acquisition would plummet. The USA could always do a better job at projecting its power without acting like a drunk fat toddler... but that's not an argument against power projection.
Comando96 Yep, intervention in the middle east sure worked well. Region is more destabilized now than it was, and US has more debt and deaths from it. Rome didnt fall because it stopped projecting power. Britain didnt fall because it stopped projecting power. They fell because they PROJECTED power. They did it until it was not sustainable, then once one entity over powered them, the rest did also. You are actually promoting the destruction of your own country. The only question is whether our aggression overseas will end in military defeat or economic defeat. Time will tell.
damage limitation, totally unconvincing . good old boy act , not denying they don't do those things but trust them not to anyway. if thats the level of scrutiny then Snowden is right there is something quite unpleasant happening in America.
I find it interesting that we in the West have such little trust in our govs, democratically elected govs, govs we can throw out every few years. Is it our meaning that it's better in Saudi Arabia, or Iraq,or being a member of ISIS. If we really, really fear for our futures then we should direct our fears to the orgs that are far far worse than legally controlled gov departments. Big brother is real, but it's not run by govs or gov agencies, it's run by oligarchs and corporations. Freedom of the press? you got to be joking. Personal freedoms? Really? Really? The FBI can't even crack an iPhone - but Apple can!!! Apple has no democratically elected depts overseeing it's activities. That worries me far more than govs who obtain data to defend us.
THIS MAN STARTED OFF HIS DISCUSSION TALKING OUT 2 SIDES OF HIS MOUTH.
SO MUCH BACK-PEDDLING AND BREATHLESS RHETORIC SPEECH AND DOUBLE-SPEAK.
SORRY, I DON'T TRUST HIM ONE BIT.
I totally get why when presented with an unpleasant reality, the recipe is: marginalize, label (tin foil conspir....), mock, then plug the ears and run from the data/reality.
IT USED TO BE ME, RIGHT DOWN TO THE DORMANT CURIOSITY.
I would like to use the space to thank Edward Snowden, and send some shame in Michael Hayden's direction. Details.. just rhetoric.
Thank you Snowden.
You've all been put on a list now. I support Snowden! This guys slick, but not as slick as Edward
'now?' really. we have been on a list for decades, why the sudden interest just because some guy blows (another) whistle ?
Keith Robotham It was a joke bud! ;)
This man is lying.
you have to love others as much as possible apologize and change to be an ethical strategist there's just no other way
this guy is cute
Snowden = HERO !
Guarantee he saved American taxpayers (slaves) money !
This dude makes James Clapper look sane
What to expect from a former cia director? Big fat lies
Snowden hero, Hayden traitor.
Angela Leggerio you're an idiot
fuck off stupid ignorant fucker. Know-nothing party?
LH Kio That would be you stupid fuck
Hayden is a traitor. Snowden is a hero