We tried a ShotKam!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- We have all heard of shotkam, right?
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Well, we wanted to play with one and see if it was any good. Here’s our thoughts.
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New to shooting clays and cannot say enough good things about my ShotKam! Would you ever consider doing an in-depth review of shooting glasses and the benefits of different colors?
I had one for a year, worth the outlay and good fun. Sold for the purchase price after 12 months to pay for car repairs. Some honest footage including misses in my profile, clays and other.
nice
I have used a ShotKam since 2018. I think it is a great help in learning about my techniques (good and bad) as well as proper hold points for starting on a pair of targets. For me, it is worth every dollar. Customer Support is very helpful answering questions. I also love the TGS videos. Learned a lot of details about shotgunning. You are a good shooter. Keep the videos coming. Jim Sutton Georgia USA
From what I have read on the Shotkam... there was a lot of R&D on the lens morphology to get it matched to what the actual human eye sees. I also think that much of the product costs go into the robustness of the unit. I doubt a normal "action cam" style unit would hold up after the recoil of (hopefully) thousands of rounds. All that being said, I also have a hard time justifying the purchase for myself. I am very lucky that it is available for $20USD a day at my favorite sporting clays course. I make use of this rental opportunity once a month or so or if there is a particular target presentation I am having trouble with. The course Owner/ Pro is very generous with his time and is willing to take a look at the footage and give advice. Great product review... I always enjoy the TGS videos.
I started using a session cam in a 3d printed mount this past summer after starting to shoot clays and it helped a ton to see where I am at while still at the point where I feel rushed while shooting (skeet). The only draw back with that cam is the compression losses often lead to the clay disappearing in the video. Even on a short skeet field. I am looking at adding the shotkam soon as it is specifically designed to see a small target at distance. There is a video on my profile of it in use.
I suspect that the current Shotcam may prove a bit disappointing for you, because it too has the shot fade out over a distance. My hunch is that it's a resolution limit effect, once a shot pellet is smaller than 1 pixel it disappears. The only solution for that is increased resolution and much larger file sizes. The good news is that on stations 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 you can see your misses, it's just high 1 and low 7 that can get too far out to fade out the string. By shooting with the 410 I've found the much smaller shot string is very revealing for errors. In my case one error is a tendency to shoot a touch low on stations 3, 4, & 5, so I've started being more attentive on how I position my leads vertically. After learning some lessens with the the 410 I then mounted the 28 gage barrels and ended up by shooting a 24 and recorded it. Note, just got in some Skeet Improved chokes from Briley and I can now let the target on high 1 get darned near to the low house and smash that target into bits. My tip for 410 is to shoot a bit tighter choke, you'll have to tighten up your shooting a tiny bit but the reward is much more positive breaks and I would guess an additional 15-20 feet of range.
I've got one. You can do frame by frame and see the shot pattern
Love my shotkam, money well spent. Advice to anyone looking to buy.... wait until fathers day, black Friday etc when there should be £100 off
They often discount it down to well below £500, subscribe to their newsletter and they'll tell you when it's discounted - I like mine 👍
Thanks for the great review Jonny ✔️
Ok you have to get Ed Solomons to use this from the hip.
Been there, done that. Looks just like his shoulder shot 😂
got one for father's day and it's been a lot of fun. i've used it on a couple hunts and posted one to my channel; it really shows your misses which is very helpful at correcting. also, i can tell on one of the shots the my dog caused me to be unstable when he leaned into my legs when i got up to shoot.
It's about time guys! I hope you guys continue to use it in your videos. It really takes shooting videos to the next level.
I have a Shotkam and the first thing you notice is the quality of the build , "made in USA" they should be proud of this product . The picture quality is very good too . As far as use ; it films from when you close the gun but only records from the point when it senses recoil then saves the footage from 2 seconds before the shot and 3 seconds afterwards . Your saved footage only shows each shot in a septate numbered file. If you are having a problem hitting a particular clay you need to keep shooting at the same target trying different lead until you hit ,then play the footage and learn the lead . You pick up on a few more things also when reviewing the shots , like how many clays you think you missed when if fact you hit them but could not see that from behind the gun. the Shotkam records the footage slower than real time and magnified . If your score improves then it is well worth the money , but you do get to relive the days shooting at no extra cost . You almost enjoy watching the good shots as much as you did when you were behind the gun.
The camera once turned on is basically in stand by mode. It recognises when you break and close the gun and turns itself on to record and stays on for 20sec ( have to double check that ) it then recognises the single or double shot and stays on for a set period after that and then resets and starts over again. If you use it on a game shoot and load up and then wait for the birds to come over you will have to bump your gun with your hand to activate the camera. ShotKam have loads of videos on the line. Keep up the good work.
I have one. I have also taken professional instruction - from a Superb AAA shooter. This is great - I am coming back to shooting after many years, I have a tendency to miss in front - difficult for me to see. A couple of comments on something, I think, this review missed. You can review instantly with local WiFi, if you have a phone with you, it is astonishing. Secondly, it can be done in slow motion - frame by frame - to see the actual shot in relation to the target.
Your last point nailed it; I love being able to advance frame-by-frame and see where the heck the pattern went.
My first thought was "I have to have one". Then I thought "could use it for practical as well as clays, vermin and game". Then "I wonder if it would work on a mini rifle". Guess I will have to get one and see what else it can be used for. Will you be selling them in the shop?
Used a shotkam a fair bit. They do effect the gun balance . They will show barrel clay relationship when you hit, they will not necessarily show were you miss unless fairly close. How far you can see the shot string depends on the sky conditions. Slow mo analysis is better. I tend to use it on only one or two problem targets per session as it is easy to get information overload. Shoot then analyse at ground on a laptop then shoot again until you can hit the target. Then take shotkam off and shoot again and then you have taught yourself how to hit that problem target. A good instructor is quicker and better but a lot more money and not always available.
Shotkam is excellent. it helped my game a lot, and I use it a lot to help other beginners. seeing misses on video speaks far more clearly than just explaining to them why they missed. not only that, they clearly see exactly how much they missed.
Thanks for the great review Jonny ✔️
I love my @shotkam! I received mine about the same time you received yours. It is a great teaching tool to show the exact shot picture. It changed how I perceive the shot taking place. I use the crosshair site to help see if the shot is on the right line and the correct quadrant of the crosshair. I wish I bought it sooner to help myself and in teaching.
Also, it helps to review shot target videos before going out to shot because it “warms up” you eyes and brain to work together to make real shots on the course.
Good stuff once again.
Thank you Chad! Incredible review, really appreciate it.
This is amazing we can see where you miss Jonny instead of just guessing . This will be of no use to Ant though as he never misses 👌
The best tool with good coach 👍😎
Great review Jonny, I'm relatively new to shooting. I'm having lessons but have also been seriously thinking about purchasing a Shotkam so that I can continue to analyse my practice outside of my lessons. I almost bought a second hand one on eBay a few weeks ago but couldn't find any independent reviews to help me make the decision to buy or not to buy so I didn't bite the bullet. Having now seen your review I think I might just start looking again.
Are you going to do a detailed review of your Longthorne?
I got a shot cam and it's the best cam I ever got for clay/ hunting.
Nice review. Had one for a few years. Very useful if you know roughly how to shoot, see the footage and then realise you use the wrong technique etc Also really nice to work on a clay you have not been able to hit, get the footage onto your phone and then see what is going wrong, takes some of the trial and error out of it. Looks good shooting game too and a different angle to add to videos etc.
The amount of "free advice" at the range is generally you are shooting too far behind. The you get the shotkam and I can see the the actual shot and know that you shot underneath but the lead was right.
So this was useful. I thought this an alternative to Tactacam, but is really about shot shooting vs. FTS shoots. Thanks!
The only thing I'm missing for South Dakota is a shotkam. Other than a Sasha for quality footage and editing. 😉 Thanks for sharing.
Did I miss the most important part where u adjust the dot or cross hairs to calibrate the unit.
I have been shooting with the Shotkam camera for half a year. Since then, my shooting results have improved from it. The camera shows me what mistakes I am making.
Had one & it was amazing until the locking ring started to come loose. Their US-based customer service was patchy and rather bolshy, which was a surprise. Given the stresses I could see why the ring could come loose & wondered why it hadn't be adhered with Locktite or a key/spanner to tighten it up (they must have them to use in assembly) supplied. Ended up sending it back which costs almost another £100 to the US. They really are amazing tools to help improve your shooting but at the premium price they should be bulletproof & have better UK based support. Innovators deserve to be rewarded but there will eventually competition (probably from China but hopefully elsewhere) will see more reasonable prices & wider usage (something that will benefit more shooters). Finally I don't really understand why so many shooting instructors are so opposed to this sort of kit that can genuinely help shooters. Having worked around education for 25 years an shot for over 40 (inc. having completed BASC's shotgun instructor course, DSC etc) there is a huge problem with how we teach shooting . For example BASC's course focuses on student 'learning styles' a concept that has been comprehensively disproved by 40 years of research. Having such an important course from a key shooting organisation being based on bad science & evidence shows just how far behind the times most shooting instruction is. This really matters & innovations like Shotkam (despite their physical & technical limitations) are important advances that we all need to embrace if we want to improve our shooting and shooting in general.
Hi Richard, thanks for your comment. Upon looking back on the customer notes, I can see that the spanner ring came loose and we're so sorry that happened. We've since resolved the issue and launched a UK support team. Additionally, it looks like we fully refunded you for the return shipping cost which was £30, so you should have received the PayPal refund around June 2020. Lastly, we have about 12 patents and China cannot have guns, so no knock-offs will pop-up in the future :). Thanks for watching!
£500+ Great piece of kit but arguably money better spent with a good instructor who can provide the feedback you require there and then.
might even be a good tool for the teacher to use and help the student visualize to be fair
GREAT VIDEO & GREAT EXPLANATION OF THIS PRODUCT. THIS WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU SHOOT AT A PRETTY GOOD PRICE & IT HAS EVERYTHING IN ONE CASE. A few questions I have though ( HAVE NOT CHECKED ON THEIR WEBSITE ) Is the camera going to scratch the barrel ? Does the Camera have adjustments on it say like a laser sight ? GREAT VIDEO, GREAT PRODUCT & WILL MAKE YOU A BETTER SHOOTER BY SHOWING WHAT YOU DID WRONG OR RIGHT ON CERTAIN SHOTS. LUV IT, TGS.
Honesberie is the ground that I shoot at. They have some extremely testing targets, especially on the game layout; fast driven, high bird from the butts. Have often thought a shotcam might help when cycling through the cartridges for nil return😭. Can we expect a TGS Jonnie, Ant shoot off piece any time soon from this splendid location?
It strikes me that shooting instructors would love this - mount it to a student's gun and talk about what waw seen. Exactly like a golf instructor videoing the student.
I use shotkam differently from your demonstration. There is so much that goes into a miss (Did you life your head, were you just moving your left hand and not rotating from the hip, etc, etc) that downloading to see where I am on a clay is not useful to me. Shot by shot advice is what I have a coach for and she is much better at it. Anyway, download speeds on my shotkam version suck! What I do is review the session at home in the evening. Did I have a consistent hold point? Was I actually doing the Method I thought I was (I'm shocked at how often I fail on this and wing it with swing through convincing myself that it was a great method shot), do I transition to the right secondary hold point when shooting on reports? This gives me an idea of what I need to work on for next time; it helps that I shoot the same course once a week. To my coaches ... diaspointment ... I use it during lessons (i do not want the weighting to change); results have been very interesting as I see how their advice changes the way I take a clay and this reinforces the lesson for me at a later time. As a pick-me-up I recently looked at shots from 12 months ago. Yes, I'm improving (thanks coach). Finally, my son with whom I used to shoot works abroad; shotkam is one way of sharing a session with him. A small thing but valuable to me. Finally, finally, if you shoot with Shotkam regularly you will need to remove it for CPSA competitions.
⛔Be careful, only support for ShotKam units that stop working is to bounce back and forth via an email conversation with support until being directed to a blog page instructing you on how to send your unit back to ShotKam in Florida, at your personal expense, for a diagnosis. Not a good support/return process at all, especially if you are in the UK with international shipping.
Is that Gen 4 or 3. Can GEN 3 serve good for clay shooting learning. What is the downside of GEN 3
I always use the x hair rather than the circle so you can see where you are easier 😀
Hi guys, hope everyone is well! Can you recomend a gun camera brand or model? The only one I know is shotkam which is a bit pricey for me. Any other reliable brands?
Would love to try one out but I can't justify the exorbitant price tag. Something that is essentially a sports bullet cam cannot justifiably ask £500 ! The 1024P SportsDV camera I bought for my cycling was £24 which is basically the same thing but with out the 'Store on Report' . I've bought guns for less than a monkey 🤣
The mount is designed absorb the recoil, no cycling camera is going to produce good footage under the stress of recoil I guarantee it. 100 quid off during black Friday.
@@stephenmac3105 I was being somewhat facetious, I don't really think that duct taping a cycle cam to a shotgun would be as good but £500? Come a half decent Chinese etc.. competitor watch Shotkam suddenly find some significant cost savings 😉
Could it be slid further down barrel to help keep balance closer to normal?
I am suprised it took so long to get around to reviewing the shotkam. It is a great bit of gear, taking all the guessing, and "opinioning" out of the equation... once you have set it up correctly.
It saves video three seconds before and after the gun is fired, activated by recoil not sound.
Great video! I don`t have any experience on shooting and I would like to buy a camera for my friend. Could you please tell me if the orange circle, on the video, is added automatic by the camera or the software?
It is indeed, you can change it to other reticles or remove it if required
They're a nice bit of kit and a useful thing if you want to analyse your misses (there and then), and, they make for a great TH-cam tool too.... but... they are £500 quid!
If they were £350 I'd buy one tomorrow; but, at £500, I just think they're a bit 'Dick Turpin'!
100 quid off on black Friday etc..
@@stephenmac3105 sounds tempting 🤔
The way i justified this is that they sell second hand for pretty much the same or only slightly below the price as new. Buy on a black Friday sale. Use for a year or so, and then sell for near the same value. £50-£100 to be able to retrospectively analyse all your hits and misses and learn from them... Then becomes cheaper than any instructor session.
What do you think about the Redring Sight for shot guns? I can't seem to be able to buy them online in Canada...
What no TGS discount?
I bought one. It’s great - as you described.
The VERY best thing about it is that it shows up the
“You was behind it/You was over the top/ You was under it/Wha’ cher wanna do …”
loudmouths as being as thick as mince. 🤣🤣
Right on!
@@tgsoutdoors And “Far Out” on the lava lamps!
No doubt a well engineered piece of kit. I have mulled over getting one, few guys at the ground have them, interestingly they only seemed to use them a couple of times then never seen again. There is a curiosity element to this as well, how did I miss? Why did I miss? In fairness the solution to this should come from practice and the shooters own eye (or an instructor stood beside you) YMMV but for me this vid has helped me decide that it’s not for me. Great for the novice shooter maybe? Unsure as you still have to interpret the miss, that comes with experience. Niche product possibly. Great vid as always JC at the team.
Bracketry? Nice. Does it come with a side by side mount for proper guns?
Will the gun fit inside a slip with the shotkam attached to the barrel?
Depends on the slip but most are fine
This is the Racelogic Box of shooting ::))) Any other racer/hunter combo?
nice lava lamp bro
Thanks bruv
@@tgsoutdoors you're welcome homeslice
I have found a laser beam mode on the ShotKam. I now use my ShotKam when practicing gun mounts and moving the gun.
We need a Jonny vs Ed Shotkam show.
Another nice film :) I'd love to know how you feel it works for rifles.
It doesn't.... it can capture 'shot' at 1300 fps but no chance a bullet at 3000 fps!
@@MKChase-uj9vx I don't think the ShotKam has a hope in hell of capturing shot in flight at all. I understand the specifications are 1080p at 100 fps (frames per second) or 720p at 180 fps. Even at 180 frames per second, that is a delay of 0.0056s between frames in which time shot with an MV of 1350 fps (feet per second) would travel 7.5 feet. You'd see a blur per frame at best and you can see in the footage here... well, you can't, that's my point ;)
For rifle shooting, as per clay shooting, I'd be interested in reviewing the moment the gun goes bang, movement before and after and the target impact point.
I suspect the camera field of view would be too wide for rifle use though. Perhaps OK for short range shooting like gallery rifle?
Great vid Johnny…$600 across the pond.
A lot of money! I'm surprised there's not a market for renting them out for a week or so. Long enough to see where you are going wrong..... If there is disregard this post I'm off to buy half a dozen and rent them out for 25quid a week 😂
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Are you shooting a Beretta 694 in this video?
We watch shots in real time with our cell phone . The shotkam shot can instantly be uploaded and viewed on cellphone to give real time feedback
I wonder how it would cope with some big boy cartridges?
🤔 i think we could find out
welcome. I'm shooting a video with Shotcam, but I don't see a shot of the bird being hit as a result of the gun's height due to the recoil. Why will I send a video explaining what I said
It's a good coach's aid. It's not a substitute for a good coach.
Agreed
$650 USD? Id rather just waste ammo at the range.
579£cam with a Mini usb port? WOW 🥺 so 2005 ,video quality so 2010, "made in USA"! since when they're famous to build such stuff?
@@rolandkee335everything is a non sense, video resolution is 480 or less with unbearable discoloration ,the micro usb nowadays is a has been so imagine what about the mini usb .....phones at this price shoot 8k video so i expect at least 4k with a device which has less features.
La camara es excelente!! funciona muy bien se puede corregir y analizar todos los disparos!!
Les dejo un video con mi Shotkam. Saludos desde Buenos Aires, Argentina
th-cam.com/video/8eaBaWLZgPs/w-d-xo.html
£500 new piece of Tech and it has a micro USB Port 🤦🏻♂️
Think how much better this TGS video would have been with shotkam footage, th-cam.com/video/JhIgTCqJzbk/w-d-xo.html and to be clear, im not saying it is bad, but i do think it could be better with shotkam
ITs tOO eXpeNsIve - community that spends 5k on a gun that shoots no better than a 1k gun 😂
👍👍👍 the guys I shoot with and the $15,000 Perazzis that STILL are 55% shooters!
@@benburra6655 It's mad. I bet all of them would be better with a 600 quid ATA and some lessons. In fact i'd bet money on it.
Nothing wrong with having nice things of course.
People will be kicking themselves in few weeks if they miss the opportunity to buy and invest in bitcoin
Bitcoin is the future, investing in it now will be the wisest thing to do especially this high rise
500+ quid far too over priced
They often discount it down to well below £500, subscribe to their newsletter and they'll tell you when it's discounted 👍
I got one for $650CDN (400 quid?); that's a pretty good value actually. it's made in the USA and is designed to take thousands of rounds of punishment. a friend of mine who is an instructor at the local shotgun club has a few and when their battery wears out he just sends them in for replacement and often gets the newest model of camera sent instead of a battery replacement; their customer service has been excellent.