I just put together a similar deck. 9.0” anti hero Russo deck with Indy Stage 11 Hollow 149s, those same OJ Elites, and Bones rails. I’m 51 and getting back into skating after 35 years off. Built a pair of mini ramps and a curb/ledge in my backyard as a DIY skate park, using your videos as inspiration. Thanks for all you do.
I wasn’t sure either, but it fits quite nice. Maybe a quarter inch in on either side, and the wider OJ Elites fill it out better than my Spitfire Formula Fours.
Great video, Ben. The rails take me back to the 80's!! We had a pvc pipe setup in my friends garage, which was super fast on rails. There may or may not have been WD40 on it...on fire sometimes...omg, so crazy fast!! 🤣
This has been my setup for about a year and I love it so so much! 8.75 deck with 9in aces, big wheels and 8th in risers so beautiful. I love ur videos so much, best TH-cam skater out there
Thanks Ben! Another awesome video. Those Cotton Candy rails look like a reincarnation of Schmitt Stix Type II rails from the 80s which were amazing. So happy to see these.
@@maxsanchez764 different for everyone. I thought curb skating was lame when I was a kid and just wanted to kickflip and ollie gaps and stairs and stuff
Dunno about the wheels. There's a reason curb skaters have embraced sub-50mm wheels like those Boardycakes makes: it's not just 'big pants, small wheels' nostalgia, the small size actually makes popping the wheel up onto the curb easier when doing noseslide to crooks and the like. I learned those last year on a set of Spitfires I'd rode down to 39 mm but struggled again when I got a new setup. What also helps is if the wheel has a more rounded transition from side to bottom on the outside - I'd got the very angular Spitfire 'OG cut' shape and could feel the wheel snag every time I wanted to do a noseslide crook, so I ended up ditching those for a smaller, 'classic' shape instead.
IMO preferred wheel size and shape really depends on what slappies you do and how big the curbs you skate are. Little ass wheels are good for crooks and nose slides, sure, but try getting into slappy 50s and smiths on a tall curb and you'll find they're a lot harder. As a counter point, look at skaters like Jason Adams, Ryan Townley, Bevup, Ace Pelka, etc who all skate curbs using 56-58mm conical shaped wheels.
I recently popped rails on my decks and don't think I can ever go back! I find myself skating really crusty parking blocks and it's so great to be able to boardslide them without much more than a bit of wax. Awesome set up!
I've found that wheels of that size inhibit getting into the slappy grind (a smaller wheel rolls up the curb into the slappy more easily). I'm not completely sold that the "lock in" shape of the wheels actually helps but seeing you lock in on a few of those slappies is beginningto convince me. Shred on!
Watch Nathan Bevup Ko and see what he can do with big wheels. He rides 60mm Spitfire Classics. Especially checkout the curb game of SKATE he played against Ace Pelka at the Berrics.
Interesting, a smaller wheel for me is scarier for slappy’s especially on narrow curbs because sometimes you slip over the top because the edge is too rounded to get a really solid lock in. Still works but super scary.
Thats a great set up. I started using rails again a couple of years ago for the first time in probably 20 years. Never going back. Glad to see you getting those board to hurricane combos.
I’m glad you mentioned the distance on where to place the rails. For me, I like to measure a three fingers from the edge of the board going in. I feel that’s a good tipping point.
You can move those Candy Bars. If the tape peels just put it back on as straight as you can and reapply. Awesome video dude. I didn't know you pulled out of the Canada Skate Shop deal thing. Oh well dude. You still rule.
My dude! Premium slappage! Your rail placement looks spot on for mix up grind and slides. Play with it more while being stationary. From boardslide, fully lean on your heels or toes. Go full Michael Jackson or cartoon character skid stop until you touch the wood. You should be able to balance on it like that (or even do boardslides like that if you’re feeling silly). From there, do the awkward old lady mall walk shuffle until one of your trucks make contact. It should go right to the grind with no effort or wheel bonk.
love how wider boards flip slower... looks soooo much cooler than with a skinny setup !!! i got a 8.75 with them wheels and its a great ramp setup. ps im using a driver in future !!!!!
I just upgraded to an 8.75 with a 15" wheelbase and I think I actually prefer the longer wheelbase. I much prefer the 8.75 over the 8.5 I was skating previously. Feels much better under the feet and I feel like I can ollie better on it because my front foot catches the whole deck with the 8.75 rather than just the edges
Awesome lil setup. I was gonna say the rails were setup fine there, but then remembered it was an 8.75 with all that concave 🤣 Fun lil sesh, must've been a while ago. Thought it snows a lot up there 🌨☃️⛷❄
@@bendegros ohh shoot thats right, I forgot the "Vancouver" Carpenter lived in Vancouver 🤣🤦♂️ Was thinking Toronto for some reason. Well that's way better climate for skating year round 💕🤙
Those rails are nice! I use grey Santa Cruz ones because they're only 14" long as opposed to many others that are 14.5" which I feel are too long for 14.25" wheelbases. The rounded over outer edge and "double sided" tape included on the Candy Bars is a very nice touch. How long are the Candy Bars?
Curb skating is super fun. Two of my previous boards had Ace 55s and 56mm Ojs and Spitfires. Rails would likely assist you better if they outside edge of the rails were in 1.5” from the edge of the deck.
I tried rails on my ramp board and had to take em off. I ended up with divots in the middle. They slid well but were no good after a week or so. I board slide a lot for setting up, so bare board works best for me. Also them big wheels are hindering popping into the combo grinds. The small wheels in the 90s were great for the nose slide grind slide grind stuff. Love your stuff!
Tensor Mag lights (-90 grams, slides even unvaxed curbs) + board rails (+90 grams) + Powell dragon wheels (93A that slides) + whatever board you prefer = street destroyer that weights as regular skateboard. Add some thin riser pads to better absorb rough streets if needed. Thank me later.
Rails are really cool for boardslides and combos and whatnot, but nothing is worse than missing the lock in on a fs slappy and getting into fs board and eating shit. I always get PTSD skating a double sided curb with rails lol
I honestly expected to be surprised and see ben with some slappy trucks. they look so similar to aces that that was my first thought. slappy trucks for a curb setup sounds fitting lmao
Crob said he drills the rails in with drywall screws all the way through the other side and breaks them off with a hammer then sanding and then put the grip on...but yeah love the channel
I cut my own board from a blank I bought locally specifically for a kerb set up (U.K. kerbs are crusty af so they spell them differently 😂). Initially I opted for a 57mm wheel for a good lock in but I’ve gone down to 52-53 conicals and still lock in well. 8.75” board, 32.25 length, 14.5 wb, 9” slappy trucks, some cheapo nasty rails and that’s about it. Definitely prefer the wider truck with a slightly narrower board, the smaller wheels make getting up on the kerb easy, the pinch on slappys is as good as a thunder imo. Lower, wider rig for kerbs seem to work well for me but your mileage may vary.
I had rails (and only time)on my very first board which was a jeff grosso knock off (alice in wonderland) from like toys r us or something back in 1992. Man i would love to rebuy that board even tho it was a fake. So many memories.
I also just setup a curb/mini board of sorts. I went wild with the shape though with a Welcome Dark lord shape. I also have never used rails and also put them too close to the edge.
Nice to see you enjoying and exploring new tricks! jfyi, ace af1 have a bit bigger wheelbase, closer to indy, and they are a bit more stable, keeping same enjoyable turn. also they have hollow option, which is nice for big setups )
I've mostly dropped boards on tranny since taking off rails. It's counter-intuitive, but when rails slide even on rock fakie, you just accept that you're always boardsliding 👌
You basically just built my setup, but I found the 8.75 - 9 is too big for curbs that have grass on the other side, which i skate a lot, the tricks grind both sides of the curb, forcing me to pinch in a not fun way. needless to say ive been skating less curb because of the setup, and I think 8.5 might be the sweet all around spot for me.
so good skating, as allways. I allways seen and hear that for curves/slappy setups it's better with small whells, like 52mm or less. Do you recomend bigger wheels? like 55 mm + ? thanks!
Does the truck width resist the flips (moment of inertia) a little more than the deck size? They're holding those healthy wheels out wide like an ice skater swinging dumbbells 😂
Now that you have screwed your rails on, try some feebles and smiths on transition. They're much easier with a toeside rail, since your wheel does not touch the deck or transition and you have a consistent lock.
I was in Canada recently for 4 days for the new year and wanted to try out some of the spots you’ve shown, but it was literally either raining or the floor was just wet, I was so sad.
That little chuckle of joy when you got the first boardslide to hurricane was nice to see. Skateboarding just feels so good.
Glad to hear you’re doing well, Ben. As an older skater, I appreciate your vibe and videos. The joy of skating lasts decades. It’s beautiful.
Agreed bud! He’s a legend!
I just put together a similar deck. 9.0” anti hero Russo deck with Indy Stage 11 Hollow 149s, those same OJ Elites, and Bones rails. I’m 51 and getting back into skating after 35 years off. Built a pair of mini ramps and a curb/ledge in my backyard as a DIY skate park, using your videos as inspiration. Thanks for all you do.
9 inch deck with 149s? Seems like those trucks would be way too small
Magic Carpet FTW. I believe Chico Brenes has a similar setup of a 9" on a 149.
I wasn’t sure either, but it fits quite nice. Maybe a quarter inch in on either side, and the wider OJ Elites fill it out better than my Spitfire Formula Fours.
I'm 49 and I have an 8.6 Quasi and an 8.8 Creature both with Indy 159's and 54mm wheels. Both are great boards.
Ben I knew you can't resist building new setups 😁
Congrats on winning Influencer of the year in the 2022 gifter hater skate awards, We all knew you could do it. Way to go, Champ.
Great video, Ben. The rails take me back to the 80's!! We had a pvc pipe setup in my friends garage, which was super fast on rails. There may or may not have been WD40 on it...on fire sometimes...omg, so crazy fast!! 🤣
Omg just made me remember our pvc lil rail as a kid. Thing was slicker than snot I remember 🤣
This has been my setup for about a year and I love it so so much! 8.75 deck with 9in aces, big wheels and 8th in risers so beautiful. I love ur videos so much, best TH-cam skater out there
Your the only skate TH-camr that I actually enjoy watching.
Check out skate hacks.
A very good “skate TH-camr” he does a lot of trick breakdowns
Mag Lights are an underrated slappy truck once fully broken in. I've even slappied dry curbs with them
Thanks Ben! Another awesome video. Those Cotton Candy rails look like a reincarnation of Schmitt Stix Type II rails from the 80s which were amazing. So happy to see these.
Anyone else get the fizzle feels when the trucks hit the concrete 😂😂 i love it!! Thanks for the vids sir!
Love it!!, I'm an older head myself and only sk8 curbs, ledges, and flat.... Gotta work on Monday.... Unfortunately!!
I just started skating curbs a couple months ago because of you!
Isnt that common when first starting skateboarding 😭😭
@@maxsanchez764 different for everyone. I thought curb skating was lame when I was a kid and just wanted to kickflip and ollie gaps and stairs and stuff
Dunno about the wheels. There's a reason curb skaters have embraced sub-50mm wheels like those Boardycakes makes: it's not just 'big pants, small wheels' nostalgia, the small size actually makes popping the wheel up onto the curb easier when doing noseslide to crooks and the like. I learned those last year on a set of Spitfires I'd rode down to 39 mm but struggled again when I got a new setup. What also helps is if the wheel has a more rounded transition from side to bottom on the outside - I'd got the very angular Spitfire 'OG cut' shape and could feel the wheel snag every time I wanted to do a noseslide crook, so I ended up ditching those for a smaller, 'classic' shape instead.
each his own, but if you got the technic right then in the end doesn'T matter. smaller wheels do slide better of course
I think exactly the same thing about wheels! Little and round is the best.
IMO preferred wheel size and shape really depends on what slappies you do and how big the curbs you skate are. Little ass wheels are good for crooks and nose slides, sure, but try getting into slappy 50s and smiths on a tall curb and you'll find they're a lot harder. As a counter point, look at skaters like Jason Adams, Ryan Townley, Bevup, Ace Pelka, etc who all skate curbs using 56-58mm conical shaped wheels.
ACE are awesome slappy trucks. I have slappy board set up with the 77s and absolutely love it.
I recently popped rails on my decks and don't think I can ever go back! I find myself skating really crusty parking blocks and it's so great to be able to boardslide them without much more than a bit of wax. Awesome set up!
Funny when the tradey comes out with you 😂. The measuring, the lines, the drill finesse. I feel that.
I've found that wheels of that size inhibit getting into the slappy grind (a smaller wheel rolls up the curb into the slappy more easily). I'm not completely sold that the "lock in" shape of the wheels actually helps but seeing you lock in on a few of those slappies is beginningto convince me. Shred on!
Watch Nathan Bevup Ko and see what he can do with big wheels. He rides 60mm Spitfire Classics. Especially checkout the curb game of SKATE he played against Ace Pelka at the Berrics.
@@idmhead0160 He makes it work!
Interesting, a smaller wheel for me is scarier for slappy’s especially on narrow curbs because sometimes you slip over the top because the edge is too rounded to get a really solid lock in. Still works but super scary.
@@Carl-ve1nr He does, but, watch that competition between Bevup and Ace and you will see what I'm talking about
Can't wait to see Ben riding a 10 inch Heroin egg with 49mm wheels and just destroying the curbs!
All of these curb slides and grinds are so satisfying. I really like them.
Thats a great set up. I started using rails again a couple of years ago for the first time in probably 20 years. Never going back. Glad to see you getting those board to hurricane combos.
I’m glad you mentioned the distance on where to place the rails. For me, I like to measure a three fingers from the edge of the board going in. I feel that’s a good tipping point.
Looks so Awesome, it knocks me out!
Chris R., has got rails on his double paddle. This has got me thinking' ..rails?
You can move those Candy Bars. If the tape peels just put it back on as straight as you can and reapply. Awesome video dude. I didn't know you pulled out of the Canada Skate Shop deal thing. Oh well dude. You still rule.
My dude! Premium slappage! Your rail placement looks spot on for mix up grind and slides. Play with it more while being stationary. From boardslide, fully lean on your heels or toes. Go full Michael Jackson or cartoon character skid stop until you touch the wood. You should be able to balance on it like that (or even do boardslides like that if you’re feeling silly). From there, do the awkward old lady mall walk shuffle until one of your trucks make contact. It should go right to the grind with no effort or wheel bonk.
love how wider boards flip slower... looks soooo much cooler than with a skinny setup !!! i got a 8.75 with them wheels and its a great ramp setup. ps im using a driver in future !!!!!
I just upgraded to an 8.75 with a 15" wheelbase and I think I actually prefer the longer wheelbase. I much prefer the 8.75 over the 8.5 I was skating previously. Feels much better under the feet and I feel like I can ollie better on it because my front foot catches the whole deck with the 8.75 rather than just the edges
I just finished my jackson pilz board ....
9.125. .. love it ..
Awesome lil setup. I was gonna say the rails were setup fine there, but then remembered it was an 8.75 with all that concave 🤣 Fun lil sesh, must've been a while ago. Thought it snows a lot up there 🌨☃️⛷❄
It doesn't snow much in Vancouver but this was filmed in November. It's just wet here.
@@bendegros ohh shoot thats right, I forgot the "Vancouver" Carpenter lived in Vancouver 🤣🤦♂️ Was thinking Toronto for some reason. Well that's way better climate for skating year round 💕🤙
that park looks like an over-30 skater's dream 😄
Inverted kingpins are the boss for curbs!
Those slappys sound so good.
Also, Thats *BevUp* 's setup ;)
Those rails are nice! I use grey Santa Cruz ones because they're only 14" long as opposed to many others that are 14.5" which I feel are too long for 14.25" wheelbases. The rounded over outer edge and "double sided" tape included on the Candy Bars is a very nice touch. How long are the Candy Bars?
Ben if you wanna do hurricanes ya gotta heat up (or forcefully bend) the rails and put them on curved with the ends at the truck baseplate, shred on!
That spot looks so fun I wish I had something like that near me
Curb skating is super fun. Two of my previous boards had Ace 55s and 56mm Ojs and Spitfires. Rails would likely assist you better if they outside edge of the rails were in 1.5” from the edge of the deck.
I tried rails on my ramp board and had to take em off. I ended up with divots in the middle. They slid well but were no good after a week or so. I board slide a lot for setting up, so bare board works best for me. Also them big wheels are hindering popping into the combo grinds. The small wheels in the 90s were great for the nose slide grind slide grind stuff. Love your stuff!
Tensor Mag lights (-90 grams, slides even unvaxed curbs) + board rails (+90 grams) + Powell dragon wheels (93A that slides) + whatever board you prefer = street destroyer that weights as regular skateboard. Add some thin riser pads to better absorb rough streets if needed.
Thank me later.
I was just thinking of something similar. Currently on an 8” deck but may go bigger. Do Dragon wheels only come in one shape?
@@MrGwaldo no, there are 52, 54 and 56mm in 3 different shapes. 54 is available in 2 different shapes, others in only 1.
@@tride.design they also have 58, 60 and 64mm now.
I love watching you skate
Hello Ben.Can you do a review video of the ace af1?
Made me feel soooo much better about my sketchy Fs boardslides 😂 👊 my man
Rails are really cool for boardslides and combos and whatnot, but nothing is worse than missing the lock in on a fs slappy and getting into fs board and eating shit. I always get PTSD skating a double sided curb with rails lol
Love 8.75, nice setup
I honestly expected to be surprised and see ben with some slappy trucks. they look so similar to aces that that was my first thought. slappy trucks for a curb setup sounds fitting lmao
When you have rails, boardslides are called 'railslides'. Like in the 80s.
LOVE the poutine graphic!!!
Lol I almost thought you were gonna go all in and get some Tensor Mag trucks for extra butterness
Ace trucks reign supreme
Uses Hilti... a man of quality.
Crob said he drills the rails in with drywall screws all the way through the other side and breaks them off with a hammer then sanding and then put the grip on...but yeah love the channel
Hey Ben, u look great on that setup! AwEsomE video of course. Good day!
When skating gets painful there's always slappies , skateboarding form of meditation.
That's arguably the best slappy curb in the world. I met you last year in Richmond. I wish I could come skate with you at your spot
I cut my own board from a blank I bought locally specifically for a kerb set up (U.K. kerbs are crusty af so they spell them differently 😂). Initially I opted for a 57mm wheel for a good lock in but I’ve gone down to 52-53 conicals and still lock in well. 8.75” board, 32.25 length, 14.5 wb, 9” slappy trucks, some cheapo nasty rails and that’s about it. Definitely prefer the wider truck with a slightly narrower board, the smaller wheels make getting up on the kerb easy, the pinch on slappys is as good as a thunder imo. Lower, wider rig for kerbs seem to work well for me but your mileage may vary.
I have the exact same setup but with Indys. Would have never thought that Ben rides such a huge thing :D
Is this your backyard or did someone build this as a public park?
I think the inward divot is for rail grabs, you can get a better grip on the board
I had rails (and only time)on my very first board which was a jeff grosso knock off (alice in wonderland) from like toys r us or something back in 1992. Man i would love to rebuy that board even tho it was a fake. So many memories.
Small wheels will help with the hurricane feeble combos
Great video. Next video idea, You should review a modern world industries deck and make a review about it. That be awesome!
This video is soo cool, looking forward to the next reviews 🤗
Dang, i haven't skated a deck with rails since prob, '88 or '89.... Funny to see all that stuff coming back...
And I haven’t skated them since the day I set this up in November 😂😂😂
@@bendegros Haha, kids these days!
@@bendegros no way !!! not even once ? anyway its raining everyday for weeks here
I also just setup a curb/mini board of sorts. I went wild with the shape though with a Welcome Dark lord shape. I also have never used rails and also put them too close to the edge.
Are you planning to review Slappys? Did I miss that somehow?
That deck looks sick!! Gotta love poutine!
Cancel all plans, call in sick, gather round, Papa Ben posted a new video.
That’s a crazy big wheel. Aces are the same height as thunders.
God bless to you and yours, Ben
Hey Ben, where is this skatepark located? Can I skateboard there? (Lower mainland local here)
Nice to see you enjoying and exploring new tricks!
jfyi, ace af1 have a bit bigger wheelbase, closer to indy, and they are a bit more stable, keeping same enjoyable turn. also they have hollow option, which is nice for big setups )
How u setup a slappy board without slappy trucks 😂, loved this video and the cotton candy rails are sick!!!
that feeble looks so fun!
I've mostly dropped boards on tranny since taking off rails. It's counter-intuitive, but when rails slide even on rock fakie, you just accept that you're always boardsliding 👌
You basically just built my setup, but I found the 8.75 - 9 is too big for curbs that have grass on the other side, which i skate a lot, the tricks grind both sides of the curb, forcing me to pinch in a not fun way. needless to say ive been skating less curb because of the setup, and I think 8.5 might be the sweet all around spot for me.
I think 8.5 is perfect.
so good skating, as allways. I allways seen and hear that for curves/slappy setups it's better with small whells, like 52mm or less. Do you recomend bigger wheels? like 55 mm + ? thanks!
U know he puts the work in with that Hilti
looks like a fun setup for sure. Happy new year!
i line them up with inside of the wheels. i predrill my holes my rails and i use an impact till the clutch kicks in.
Cant belive youre riding OJs again after that insane a thane review
Its was oj elite 101a ez edge review not price point formula wheels
because he got the wheels as free. You Know Ben, spitfire wheels is his all time fave
those slappy feebles are so butter, of all tricks to not be able to get down i can not land them!
any tips for a curb skater who cant feeble? 😵💫
Does the truck width resist the flips (moment of inertia) a little more than the deck size? They're holding those healthy wheels out wide like an ice skater swinging dumbbells 😂
It probably does.
I’v heard that small whells good for slash motion to stend upon curb
Same, would be fun to see how it reacts with 48mm wheels. :)
I've set up curb boards but I don't skate curbs enough to really justify another setup they're very fun to just dork around on though.
I really liked wide boards with short wheel base.
Happy see you good to your health and skating, do you stuff see you
Yo Ben! Have you seen the new slappy truck? Would be keen to know your opinion being the truck connoisseur that you are haha
Not gonna lie, that setup is looking pretty bro
Dunno... I'd say it's dad...
Nice! Not sure the rail placement is wrong though. Looks very similar to Dan Corrigen's placement imo and he is the master of combo rail/curb tricks
ben saying 7-1/4" is pretty big gives me hope :')
Now that you have screwed your rails on, try some feebles and smiths on transition. They're much easier with a toeside rail, since your wheel does not touch the deck or transition and you have a consistent lock.
Bevup Ben. You just need some 9" Tensor Maglites and some 60mm 99A Spitfire Classics to make it a true curb board.
Can you do a review on slappy trucks? Love your content 🤘🤘
Looking cool
You’re on your way up :) love the content
I should try rails. I haven't since like 1990 91.
I’d say the bigger 56 wheels make the combos more difficult
I was in Canada recently for 4 days for the new year and wanted to try out some of the spots you’ve shown, but it was literally either raining or the floor was just wet, I was so sad.
Yup. It stays pretty wet over the winter.
stellar ben!
Aces 55 have a insane good lock, even in 8.5 decks
Your a natural 🔥🔥🔥🔥
that shape is so nice