I turned 30 last summer. Discovered both of these guys' channels right at the beginning of the lockdown in 2020 when i moved back in with family and got back into skating. So thankful i did after not being on a board for 7+ years, it keeps me sane, happy, and healthy!
i turn on my tail heel side on f4s, coned tf out in like 2 weeks and the other 3 look pristine lol. 145 lb and kinda light footed, i tend to jump off before i try to hang on.. too many GTA Wasted cutscenes irl
Yuup, front toe side for me too. Also, I'm 45 now and skate almost every day. You two dudes are two of my favorite skaters and content creators. Please never stop!
Toe side front wheel is always first to cone and I’d say 99% with confidence it’s from turning as my level of skill is not on par with either of your good selves so the turning must be causing this. Another great detailed video too 👌 love these 👊
Hey Ben. Started in the 70's but been on board non stop since 1983, so 40 years straight of skating. Front toe side for me as well on the wheel cone. I rotate them by eyeing the wear, so either diagonal or just straight switching the front and back depending and start at a 54mm. Currently riding Dragons 54MM X 32MM
As a nearly 20 year golf pro and 14 of those have been a master fitter.... I loved this vid. ❤️ Dan is awesome and always enjoy his vids. Thanks for this ☺️
I skate Acid Chem Co REM formula too and I really like them. One thing that was different about them is that the bearings are a VERY tight fit, they're definitely not going to get tweaked by lateral pressure/impact
ive got some nice santa cruze deck rails that are very rounded and the ends curve away from your wheels for more clearance. love flight decks i have both of andys, nice setup dan! love watching u guys sk8
Talking about getting the bearings out of a tight wheel, I've always just used the truck, screws the threads up after a few times doing it but at that point you're getting ready to swap out your trucks anyways
Tic tacs are what wear out the toe side front wheel. Even if you ride loose trucks, you’re bound to do little tic tacs when doing little turns. It’s usually the back ones. Because your front foot naturally dips towards the toe when you turn, you usually drag your front wheels even if it’s just for a fraction of a second before you put your wheels back down.
Front toe side wheel cones most for me too. I know I'm a heavy toe side turner and I take more right turns. It's hard to take sharp left turns without slamming. Also, I've never flat spotted a Spitfire, but they definitely wear down fast-ish.
I love this park, I skated this stage with the big green trash can when I was a teenager, I love the feeling of being there, legendary stage in long Beach. Now I'm almost 40 and I just want to go back to get the feeling of being there, even if I just do a olie down the stage
I always cone my front toe wheel more and I'm pretty sure it's because I slide my wheels when I quick turn from fakie to forward, on flat and transition
Soooooo rad to see lol it's like you have your favorite dc hero randomly show up on the comic book of your favorite marvel hero. Given that you are a huge fan of both, of course.
Same- front toe. It’s just from riding flat ground. I think my normal weight distribution is a bit more toe side than heel, and my front truck is my turning truck so it’s a bit looser and takes more weight. Also, if I’m turning around it’s easier to turn backside than front, so I do it more often.
same thing here with the wheel wear, conical fulls help wear less but you still have to rotate the front toe wheel with others to keep a set going when they are radial full or classic shape for me or it totally cones out.
My front toe side wheel also is always the first to cone. I assume just from a ridiculous amount of fakie pivots. Every time I don’t land a trick I usually step back on, roll away switch and then do a fakie pivot to regular before trying again.
My most worn wheel is always front toe side and I do believe it’s from fakie kick turns or slappy crooked grids on curbs. If the curb is low enough, that wheel ever so sightly drags on the ground.
F4 flat spotted for me within the first week. I like to skate fast so I just slid extra to even them out. and then they ended up being my favorite wheel because of the shape and I felt they slid better than STFs.
I like Powell shapes so I picked up a 243 flight deck and the shape is glorious and I love everything about the decks but man the fiberglass shards from skating crusty Midwest spots is brutal. I just can't do it. I'm actually having a lot of fun skating weird shaped decks like the Welcome Darklord right now. My back toe side wears out but I do a ton of shuvits varial flips, BS 180, shuvit revert etc.. so for me it adds up why.
I skate spitfire f4's , conical full, theyre the best wheel Ive ever rode, and I finally switched to them from the classics, they havent flatspoted at all its been 2 years since, also they have a distinctive bark when you nose, tail, blunt ect.
F4s never flatspotted for me and I do Powerslide all the time. Didnt try stf. Other wheels definetely flatspot for me. Impressed that the dragons did not flatspot either. Probably because they Slide so nicely on rough ground.
I've always rotated my wheels so idk but while your riding /turning one of the 4 wheels might have to slide a little and the one doing the sliding is the wheel with the least amount of weight on it
I have the same exact issue with wear on my front toe-side wheel. I assume it’s from turning on trucks that are a little tighter, which might increase the pressure vs looser trucks. Dunno 🤷♂️
I'm plotting on 🔥F4s 58mm 97a because the dude who works at my indoor let me use his and they didn't seem to collect dust as bad as my 95a slimeballs or my 103a ojs
Ben, Front toe side for me wears out first. Dan, Can you comment on any adjustments you make when your wheels are wider than your board? For me, they have to be flush or inside a bit. Otherwise I run over my toe. I can't get the effect of this out of my head LOL.
These Cali videos are most enjoyable. Hope you go back soon and share the experience w/us like you did for this trip. Damn Gifted Hater Loves you. Maybe he could visit you and do some more collab videos,or do this style of video w/ppl. up in your hometown? Thanks Ben you e brought us lots of enjoyment in this series.
Ben said his front toe side wheel are the smallest one. Its the same for me, and toe side wheels in general takes more pressure for me. I would guess its just how you skate, or if your board wants to go a bit left as a regular skater you might put a bit more pressure toe side high up on the board when you push especially 🤷🏻♂️ Anyone else who get one smaller wheel after a while?
I have one of your old Canadian skate shops decks you named the Voldemort deck. Before I got the deck I was skating my old one every day trying to learn the Ollie and messed up my knees. I never got a chance to skate it because I was afraid to hurt my knees even more. I'm probably gonna start skating again soon. Wish me luck
What exactly hurts in your knees? I was watching a Chad Caruso video yesterday, and he said that as he's now pushing across america (3000 miles in total), and by day 6 his knee issues somewhat lessened (he said he re-tore his meniscus 6 months ago). Also, i have hypermobile knees and have kept off skating for the longest time because im still a bit heavy at 240 ish pounds), but i feel like i've been missing out on knee strenthening excersises, and thus missed out on ways to strenthen my body. Maybe you could start doing excersises to strentgthen whatever issue it is that you're having too?
The big nose is why I like the Andy Anderson flight deck (the first one) quite a lot. The downside is how it is a fairly big board of course, but the nose is less of a problem and way more of an advantage to me.
I had bought 51mm f4 spitfire classics , not even a month old I hit a pebble coming down my driveway and they flatspotted , on street was fine but at the park sounds like a machine gun riding , I had these bones stf 51mm 103 a classic shape and I honestly like them more I dont think ill go back to spitfire , there was an adjustment and at first I thought they we're weird feeling but once broken in they ride so well
Classic shape F4 101A /99a especially 99a super easy to flatspot. Especially brand new. And conical full or OG shape way more flatspot resistant in 101a. Anyway stf 103a wearing down super slow in wide shapes vs F4
@@hou5eheadjason mostly yes but stf 103a didn't like stomp to stop poweslides too as many other wheels. Anyway never any issues in durability in skateparks with 103a STF
Front toe side wheel is always the one that cones for me. I think it's from turning backside at the end of a line to go back the other way. It's not trick related for me.
@@jonathanginofilippi lol... no reynolds hollows... they are a indy truck version. they have a hollow axel (solid kingpin) and a standard baseplate. so they are standard Height 55mm
I turned 30 last summer. Discovered both of these guys' channels right at the beginning of the lockdown in 2020 when i moved back in with family and got back into skating. So thankful i did after not being on a board for 7+ years, it keeps me sane, happy, and healthy!
I had the same thing happen, and I’m better now than when I was a teenager. So happy I picked it back up
same. so glad I did, I could listen to these guys to no end. great guys, good content
Enjoy videos with you and Dan
This is really high level advice that may not regularly accesible to people living in smaller populations with less skaters. Great video and review!
I’ve never flat-spotted a formula 4. I’m 200 pounds and have been riding them for 3-4 years now!
i turn on my tail heel side on f4s, coned tf out in like 2 weeks and the other 3 look pristine lol. 145 lb and kinda light footed, i tend to jump off before i try to hang on.. too many GTA Wasted cutscenes irl
as an over 30 skateboarder this stuff is the kind of content I dig. Your the man Ben 🙌
Funny, as a 34 year old skateboarder this is the kind of content where I wonder why anybody would ever give a crap about this trivial stuff
❤🇫🇷
38 here, I think I found new friends 😂
I love the information. I followed Dan is well and at 55 there's always some good info. Ride until you drop 🤘
That was a great,authentic ,real conversation About skating. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Yuup, front toe side for me too. Also, I'm 45 now and skate almost every day. You two dudes are two of my favorite skaters and content creators. Please never stop!
Dan's set up looks like if you flipped it over and shook it a bunch of hair and crumbs would fall out
and pennies too
It probably smells peculiar too.
@@tima8049 smells damp
Lmao
Ew
Toe side front wheel is always first to cone and I’d say 99% with confidence it’s from turning as my level of skill is not on par with either of your good selves so the turning must be causing this. Another great detailed video too 👌 love these 👊
Nearly on 100k well deserved Ben
Very informative, Thanks Ben & Dan.
I have been heavily digging all of the content you made while in Cali. Great stuff!
Great video guys! I follow both of you and I always learn something each video I watch! I have been a Powell Peralta guy for apprx. 30 years.
Ben, Dan, and Vic... That'd be a dream sesh for me to be on lol. Raddest dudes 👊
Dan's right on.F4's definitely flatspot and wear down quicker. STF don't, but also don't feel as good.
Facts on both. Totally back.
Great video and energy and vibes and articulation.
Have been a fan of both Powell Peralta and Independent Trucks for decades now. Only trucks will ever buy and other than maybe 1-2 other companies only decks I buy or skate, one other company being the OG of the industry Santa Cruz (VX decks or Everslick ©) I still mess with truck height and I'm 43 but do prefer the mids as well in Hollow's or Titanium.
To be fair, I'm 31 and subbed to both of you, soooo yeah
The Magicians setup is amazing looks great. Dan has such amazing board control.
Hey Ben. Started in the 70's but been on board non stop since 1983, so 40 years straight of skating. Front toe side for me as well on the wheel cone. I rotate them by eyeing the wear, so either diagonal or just straight switching the front and back depending and start at a 54mm. Currently riding Dragons 54MM X 32MM
Angle gauge is also great for measuring angle of pop :) since that ones magnetic it sticks to the bolts and then you can tip the board
As a nearly 20 year golf pro and 14 of those have been a master fitter.... I loved this vid. ❤️ Dan is awesome and always enjoy his vids. Thanks for this ☺️
I skate Acid Chem Co REM formula too and I really like them. One thing that was different about them is that the bearings are a VERY tight fit, they're definitely not going to get tweaked by lateral pressure/impact
I must say, your laugh at 7:18 was beautiful!
Been waiting for this video for long enough thank you!
ive got some nice santa cruze deck rails that are very rounded and the ends curve away from your wheels for more clearance. love flight decks i have both of andys, nice setup dan! love watching u guys sk8
Hell yeah Victor's here, too!
Ben, same: my front toe-side wheel cones first and I have no idea why. I ride almost exclusively transition
Talking about getting the bearings out of a tight wheel, I've always just used the truck, screws the threads up after a few times doing it but at that point you're getting ready to swap out your trucks anyways
Loved this great to see any skaters thinking on setup Regards from the UK
The collab i been waiting for aha
Dan's sweater is on point.
Tic tacs are what wear out the toe side front wheel. Even if you ride loose trucks, you’re bound to do little tic tacs when doing little turns. It’s usually the back ones. Because your front foot naturally dips towards the toe when you turn, you usually drag your front wheels even if it’s just for a fraction of a second before you put your wheels back down.
Much love and respect to you and your channel Ben.
Front toe side wheel cones most for me too. I know I'm a heavy toe side turner and I take more right turns. It's hard to take sharp left turns without slamming. Also, I've never flat spotted a Spitfire, but they definitely wear down fast-ish.
I love this park, I skated this stage with the big green trash can when I was a teenager, I love the feeling of being there, legendary stage in long Beach. Now I'm almost 40 and I just want to go back to get the feeling of being there, even if I just do a olie down the stage
i'm regular footed and also cone out front toe-side wheel first/most
Me too
I always cone my front toe wheel more and I'm pretty sure it's because I slide my wheels when I quick turn from fakie to forward, on flat and transition
Soooooo rad to see lol it's like you have your favorite dc hero randomly show up on the comic book of your favorite marvel hero. Given that you are a huge fan of both, of course.
Ya for sure .. you two rock
Same- front toe. It’s just from riding flat ground. I think my normal weight distribution is a bit more toe side than heel, and my front truck is my turning truck so it’s a bit looser and takes more weight. Also, if I’m turning around it’s easier to turn backside than front, so I do it more often.
same thing here with the wheel wear, conical fulls help wear less but you still have to rotate the front toe wheel with others to keep a set going when they are radial full or classic shape for me or it totally cones out.
Never flat spotted F4s but I have flat spotted Acid REMS before funny enough. Front toe side wheel cones out for me first as well.
I have never seen the pivot fakie late regular before. Super sick!
Dan is probably one of my favorite skaters to watch skate. He has such a wild original slappy style and absolutely shreds.
i have powell ribs and also hacked off the tapered edges because i like my rail a bit further out and my wheels kept biting
My front toe side wheel also is always the first to cone. I assume just from a ridiculous amount of fakie pivots. Every time I don’t land a trick I usually step back on, roll away switch and then do a fakie pivot to regular before trying again.
Anyone know what woodshop made the alien workshop boards when they prdoduced the mind field decks? Loved the shape and feel of the Arto Saari 8.5
I think PS Stix, but I might be wrong
The Etnies Arto's were incredible skate shoes as well
really good duo right here, woulda loved to see a game of skate with u two
Dont think i ever flat spotted a set of wheels that didn't even out in all my years. Hmm 🤔
My most worn wheel is always front toe side and I do believe it’s from fakie kick turns or slappy crooked grids on curbs. If the curb is low enough, that wheel ever so sightly drags on the ground.
F4 flat spotted for me within the first week. I like to skate fast so I just slid extra to even them out. and then they ended up being my favorite wheel because of the shape and I felt they slid better than STFs.
What shape?? I've never flatspoted any f4 spitfires and I've have like 5 sets
same! front toe side wheel for sure. then back toe side :p
I like Powell shapes so I picked up a 243 flight deck and the shape is glorious and I love everything about the decks but man the fiberglass shards from skating crusty Midwest spots is brutal. I just can't do it. I'm actually having a lot of fun skating weird shaped decks like the Welcome Darklord right now.
My back toe side wears out but I do a ton of shuvits varial flips, BS 180, shuvit revert etc.. so for me it adds up why.
Dude i thought i was the only one! That fiberglass shit that stabs ur thumbs is so goddam annoying!
do a review pf the stage 4s!!!!
Yeah, WTF. Ben slacking on the most earth shattering news in decades
Enjoyed every second
Tom Penny in his prime rode 7.5” decks with 8” axle Indy’s, so by those standards 8.5” deck on 9” trucks should even be fine.
I skate spitfire f4's , conical full, theyre the best wheel Ive ever rode, and I finally switched to them from the classics, they havent flatspoted at all its been 2 years since, also they have a distinctive bark when you nose, tail, blunt ect.
F4s never flatspotted for me and I do Powerslide all the time.
Didnt try stf.
Other wheels definetely flatspot for me.
Impressed that the dragons did not flatspot either. Probably because they Slide so nicely on rough ground.
My front toe side wheel always cones first from kickturning on concrete ramps
Mine cone front toe side as well. Nollie shuvs ? Heel flips?
I love you guys both!! Fucking siiiick❤
Hey Ben looking at thunder trucks to buy what do you recommend in thunders …hollow lights? Also where is the best place in Canada to order these
My toe side front wheel gets super coned from fakie kick turns have to rotate those things constantly
I've always rotated my wheels so idk but while your riding /turning one of the 4 wheels might have to slide a little and the one doing the sliding is the wheel with the least amount of weight on it
159 on a 8.5 board with "inverted" kingpins, my madness approves.
front toeside wheel goes early due to turning pressure from your front foot
I have the same exact issue with wear on my front toe-side wheel. I assume it’s from turning on trucks that are a little tighter, which might increase the pressure vs looser trucks. Dunno 🤷♂️
I ask so l have a board 8.37 that semetrical board ??
my front toe sides wheel also wears out quickly. I think it's because of tic-tacs and kickturns
Front toeside for me aswell. It's always been that way from doing reverts after I've landed fakie.
I'm plotting on 🔥F4s 58mm 97a because the dude who works at my indoor let me use his and they didn't seem to collect dust as bad as my 95a slimeballs or my 103a ojs
My front toe side wheel always ends up coned as well 🤷♂️
Ben, Front toe side for me wears out first.
Dan, Can you comment on any adjustments you make when your wheels are wider than your board? For me, they have to be flush or inside a bit. Otherwise I run over my toe. I can't get the effect of this out of my head LOL.
These Cali videos are most enjoyable. Hope you go back soon and share the experience w/us like you did for this trip. Damn Gifted Hater Loves you. Maybe he could visit you and do some more collab videos,or do this style of video w/ppl. up in your hometown? Thanks Ben you e brought us lots of enjoyment in this series.
My front toe side wheel cones a lot and I have to agree with Dan I think it’s from whipping fakie
It’s always front toe side wheel for me and it’s from nose slides for me 🤙🏻
I'm on team, take wheel off with the truck axle! Works everything haha
Ben , please do a review on the Slappy hollows . Thanks . God bless brother !it's
Ben said his front toe side wheel are the smallest one. Its the same for me, and toe side wheels in general takes more pressure for me.
I would guess its just how you skate, or if your board wants to go a bit left as a regular skater you might put a bit more pressure toe side high up on the board when you push especially 🤷🏻♂️
Anyone else who get one smaller wheel after a while?
Now I want to get a tape measure and nerd out on my board.
Ben with the Slappy connoisseur himself.
Dan don't be so stressed out. You are a cool guy with cool setup!
Dan with Ben, a pleasant surprise!
I have one of your old Canadian skate shops decks you named the Voldemort deck. Before I got the deck I was skating my old one every day trying to learn the Ollie and messed up my knees. I never got a chance to skate it because I was afraid to hurt my knees even more. I'm probably gonna start skating again soon. Wish me luck
What exactly hurts in your knees? I was watching a Chad Caruso video yesterday, and he said that as he's now pushing across america (3000 miles in total), and by day 6 his knee issues somewhat lessened (he said he re-tore his meniscus 6 months ago). Also, i have hypermobile knees and have kept off skating for the longest time because im still a bit heavy at 240 ish pounds), but i feel like i've been missing out on knee strenthening excersises, and thus missed out on ways to strenthen my body. Maybe you could start doing excersises to strentgthen whatever issue it is that you're having too?
The big nose is why I like the Andy Anderson flight deck (the first one) quite a lot. The downside is how it is a fairly big board of course, but the nose is less of a problem and way more of an advantage to me.
Cool - really I like the setup talk.
You guys are both legendary 💯🙏🛹
I think my back toeside wheel wears the most, then front toeside
Dan spending the whole paycheck on a fresh fit for Papa Ben's channel 👌 Those 2.5 subs just clocked over to 3.
My front toe side also cones out and wears more than others, I have no idea why either. I'm regular, 6 foot 155lbs
Thanks vic
I had bought 51mm f4 spitfire classics , not even a month old I hit a pebble coming down my driveway and they flatspotted , on street was fine but at the park sounds like a machine gun riding , I had these bones stf 51mm 103 a classic shape and I honestly like them more I dont think ill go back to spitfire , there was an adjustment and at first I thought they we're weird feeling but once broken in they ride so well
Classic shape F4 101A /99a especially 99a super easy to flatspot. Especially brand new. And conical full or OG shape way more flatspot resistant in 101a. Anyway stf 103a wearing down super slow in wide shapes vs F4
@@acgwestsidesb6410 you like bones too ?
@@hou5eheadjason mostly yes but stf 103a didn't like stomp to stop poweslides too as many other wheels. Anyway never any issues in durability in skateparks with 103a STF
Front toe side for me, it's from kick turns on banks, similar to what Dan said.
Front toe side wheel is always the one that cones for me. I think it's from turning backside at the end of a line to go back the other way. It's not trick related for me.
crossover of the century
Do you stay with Dan in he's van.
correct me if im wrong but if the base plate is not forged then the trucks are 55mm high not 52?
That would be true if it was standard Indys. Dan rides mids, which are lower
@@idmhead0160 ahhh right... forgot about the Mids... i thought he was riding Reynolds though no?
@@bgieho reynolds rides 139 standards
@@jonathanginofilippi lol... no reynolds hollows... they are a indy truck version. they have a hollow axel (solid kingpin) and a standard baseplate. so they are standard Height 55mm
@@jonathanginofilippi at 6:23 he says reynolds... but he says "Mindys" so that might mean mids i guess. not sure if they make reynolds in mids
Front toe side and rear heel side wear out fast for me - I’ve got a fortnightly wheel rotation madness thing going to keep them even lol
Same