Blowing Up Turbos w/a 1600 HP Street Truck | Power Driven Diesel
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- Josh and Todd spent a couple nights of dyno testing and tuning three different large single turbochargers. Some mistakes were made with a couple of the turbos. The lessons learned are why everyone will remember Josh's name!!!
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Josh is complaining about a dent in his hood😂. Remember Todd’s good from a couple years ago
I own the dented hood record!
Lmfao, it looked like a folded fitted sheet
@@pddofficial 🤣🤣🤣
Great stuff guys, some expensive lessons but doing a post-mortum like this means everyone can benefit.
That's the plan
Josh has my vote for Diesel Power Challenge
Thank you!
Me too!
after all of this I am extremely happy every one got to go home safe and sound.
I would love to see a pull down and go threw the hole engine to see how the internals' are holding up.
No way Josh is going to pull it apart while it still runs so well! He does have an even more robust long block in the works...
That turbine wheel spinning on the ground was crazy haha.
Wildest thing we've ever seen in a turbo failure!
Just glad that didn’t come down on some ones head ..............
no kidding
One night, two dead booster spinnies, and a bottle of sauce................"whatcha wanna do tomorrow?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's damn impressive to see those power numbers repeated if not higher in such a short time frame!! Way to go Josh and crew...............here's to the push for the challenge 🍻!!!
I’m impressed by the engine build. Awesome job guys.
Glad to hear the block is holding. Was kinda curious on that
Yes really pleased
The block is no more.
There has to be a sympathetic paintless dent repair person out there looking for a hood to showcase their skills on!
A racer can hope....
Really enjoy how you guys analyze the failures. The parts did not die for nothing.
The Borg s488sxe have the tach pickup provision on the compressor cover, use it!! Also are you logging drive pressure? It is more important for boost when you don't want to blow stuff up. Josh should get a s594sxe with a 1.15divided. Use a progressive NOS controller and run a little jet in early at like 1500rpm to help spool then give it the juice about 2200 and smile all the way. Also it looks you are way underfueled for hitting 2k. It was cleaning most everything up at the 1600hp numbers. Going to need at least 30% more fuel.
When the whole combination is at the limit for rod strength, block strength, and cast piston strength, adding a spool jet at 1500 and turning on the big kit at 2200 RPM is a SURE FIRE way to make a nice torque spike, split the block, bend the rods, and break the pistons.... However, if it was a solid block with HD billet rods and forged race pistons that could handle 3000+ lb ft of torque, then it sounds like a great recipe to make a big torque number on the dyno!!!
Power Driven Diesel I think you misunderstood my strategy. I meant just enough at 1500 to start getting that big turbo woke up and going then start progressively feeding in more at 2200 and hopefully all in by 3500. I actually have no experience with nitrous on a diesel though so you are likely still correct. Lol I always had more fun beating Dennis Perry’s nitrous trucks with my fuel only ones. From what I have seen tuning for lots of nitrous is difficult, it can really hit hard. Worried about hard parts why not just rpm it some more to make power? Common rails still not happy making power at 5k like a p-pump?
Great vid. Josh "The Destroyer"
Great content! Love the channel! Hope to see Josh in DPC.
Us too!
Ironically that looks like when you spool a bearing with an air gun and drop it on the concrete.....
I'm gonna vote 4 my boy Josh!
Appreciate it!
Hood damage is common when things go boom
I dont know if you guys will see this but im looking into a 06 to 07 cummins set up and would love a fueling break down when It comes to the right injectors and pump and I know with the right injectors you can let the pump relax and not be on such a high duty cycle
My truck is a meth addict haha
Awesome vid gents!!!! And I thought I was doing good at 500 HP......I think I’ll just stick to that!!!!
Thanks 👍
that is not a dent that is a scare to be proud of.
it's time to find a dyno down at sea level.
Ya but at the end of the day he said the Garrett was hurt before he started making pulls so both of them didn't have a fair shake glad yall are OK that was crazy keep the good content coming thanks guys
Great stuff guys, Never hiding failures.
Keep up the great work
Always!
Hey Guys, The issue with the Nitrous going backwards with a larger jet than the solenoid orifice happens because a Nitrous System requires back pressure for it to flow correctly.
You guys build anything that doesn't blow up?? Maybe not use parts from blown up engines in the new build just a thought???
Click bait.
When I first saw the video I was thinking we were gonna have a camshaft outside the engine situation 🤣. Badass boys !!!
Lol! This time the cam stayed inside the block!
What a cool video guys 😬💪🏻🤘🏻 that’s incredible !!!
*Gale banks and the i dash enter the chat*
LOL
The dent is worth keeping, now... just to tell the story and show the video
Josh! Doing it for us commonrail guys! You da man ! Josh!
Oh man, my cheeks hurt from grinning for 20 minutes. Is there a build sheet on this motor, i would really like to know what setup was used to handle all that.
Yes, we did a full video going over the build here: th-cam.com/video/7dSgtkzfRRg/w-d-xo.html
Nos is the worst boost you have to take the engine an clean them after every run for a diesel engines there not meant for nos yes it give you more boost an power but you get a lot of problems bc nos eats the cylinder walls in your pistons and piston rings and your manifold
Wow the video clip starting around 13:20, the turbine had aome serious hangtime in the air! Lucky nobody was hurt!!
yes it was crazy
Maybe fenley precision will hook you up with a big nasty holset. Hx60 hx82?
would've been nice now we are going triples
No one cares about you talking about it. Show more of the the engine.
Awesome video. Glad no one got hurt, very excited to see your power
You don't know what boost you were at? Not data logging?
4200 right.. Clearly sends it to 4500 haha
So what im getting from this is josh was the reason for the pdd filter shortage awhile back.
😅🤣😂
Ordering a set of street fighters for my 12 valve! Hoping to hit the big 1k this summer!
They are a great rod for the money! If you wanted to support the PDD team, we'd love to help you out when you're ready to buy a set! We are a master distributor for Wagler Rods.
I'm also building my 12v later this summer or this fall. I'm gonna get those same rods, a girdle and celvite hc bearings for the mains and rods, cam, you'lls bigger oil pump and matching pickup tube. I'll end up being a overbuilt motor really lol
Power Driven Diesel I will be in contact with you guys shortly for a lot more then just rods! 👍🏼🤘🏻
I think it's cool then people or other racers no their limits on parts 👍👍👍👍👍
that's why we do it!
We have a 02 MACK CH613 with a 427hp 12L I6 engine with about 33,000hours on it and loaded to well over 90k lbs(which is normal as we move construction equipment with it) going up a hill under high boost the compressor wheel exploded which sounded like a bomb going off under the hood. then then engine started to run on the oil supply for the turbo which waste good, about a year later and upgraded mack turbo w/titanium compressor wheel, and pushing 533hp with room to grow even with 120k loaded its still going just like new.
I like the 6.7 cummins better as an overall engine compared to the 5.9
The most efficient way to move stuff over land is diesel electric so why don't we have one in semis yet? heck why not pickup trucks? makes no sense
I and gona lie I was holding to phone back on that's pull
great videos. thank you for sharing what happened.
Our pleasure!
I hope you make it to DPC I put in my vote for you. I love this shop. You guys are like family everyone pitching in to help work on each others engines and trucks and that is just freaking awesome. I'm looking forward to the day when a PDD truck is holding the trophy for UCC and DPC. What is your manifold air temp when pushing 1500-1600 HP? Would it be any easier to make that power with compounds and would having compounds be any easier on the high pressure turbo?
That would be an amazing accomplishment! Ucc and dpc in one year!
@@pddofficial You guys will do it. I have confidence in you.
That rapid-fire dyno-pull montage needs Champ Kind yelling "WHAMMY! WHAMMY! WHAMMY!... "
pick 2! :-)
How fast do you want to go? How much you got?
Dang guys crazy power sorry about the turbos
Awesome..!!!!!!!!!!! I’m speechless
That’s cool you all keep it going
You have to remember if that borgs internals where stock it had a 270 degree thrust bearing and im sure yours( pdd enforcer) had a 360 degree bearing that makes a big deal with nitrous and compounds.
5:27 Beyblade!
Wow just watched the video . Impressive, That the reason its called testing . Is there a way to see what the rpm is of the turbo with a sensor or is that just a calculation. The motor must be a solid build . Good luck
lmfao crazy stuff, good video!
No logs during pulls? No idea where the boost was or at what boost the turbo fails? I'd sure like to know the numbers on that one. 😉 at this limit shut happens. Lol
You guys need frag blankets for those turbos!
High performance academy just had a post for a company including a frag blanket with each turbo they sell.
Edit1: And I am still amazed nobody was hurt when this let go.
Edit2: I saw some flames from the pulls before everything let go, so that's weird.
When running a hood stack (read: short exhaust run) it's common to have a little flame out of the stack during spoolup, especially with Common Rail tuning that can retard the timing down low to cause more burn/heat in the exhaust to get the charger spooled. Later in the run when you see flame, that's common when making big power at higher RPM with nitrous. More injection timing will shorten the flame by causing more of the combustion to complete inside the engine which does make more power, but just a degree too much advance on the timing can also overheat pistons, bend rods, break blocks, and blow head gaskets. So most tuners play it safe with regard to timing when spraying a lot of nitrous. The result of too little timing at that power level is a flame twice as tall and with enough heat, will consume the turbine wheel, melt the turbo exhaust housing, burn exhaust gaskets, etc.
Awesome Video!
U 2 guys work well together in videos. Will just likes to jabberjaw over Todd 🤣
Do you have pictures of the hood dump after that spooly boy launched out of it like a cannonball?
That was scary impressive!!!
👍👍👍🤟🤟🤟
“Pulled my hands off the shifter and steering wheel”
We used to call that flinching @ 12:45
The tow mirror at half mast
That is insane. Seriously insane. I need to get a Cummins swap.
Why you guys don’t have more subscribers Is beyond me, awesome content
Fast, reliable and cheap... pick two... excellent point
Badass guys💪👍
keep it boys. love this stuff
Keep it up guys. Excellent content!!!
Thank you! Will do!
Awesome video!!! Lots of great information. Definitely voting for you Josh. Hope you make it to the Diesel Power Challenge!! Good luck man!
Fingers crossed!
Killer content 👍🏽
This video deserve a big thumbs up
thank you!
Lol. Jumping back at the flames.
Great footage. 👍
Where's Josh's donation page? :)
Old Video, that was a one-month deal. However, it's awesome you want to support him!
After all this PDD air filters have sold me!!
appreciate it
mike9fore I’ve got 1 n I love it! there awesome n absolutely the best !
Great content guys, great parts, better service, and best diesel performance channel in my opinion. Love your videos! May wanna try Cascade instead of Dawn next time you need to clean the intercooler or block. No worries of the suds with Cascade. Was suggested to me when I needed to clean my block and it works great! Keep it up guys!!
We will give that a try, thanks!
I love this channel. You guys go hard on your parts.
Are you running a 48re or 68?
PDD 48re
The footage of the turbine wheel going off like a top needs to be archived for history you’re never gonna find something like that again if you tried let alone the little bearing collar diddling around on the floor when it popped out on the first turbo that blew up
I take it you've never seen a bullet spinning in the ice of a lake. When you get the angle correct (it's steeper than you'll think), it does repeat fairly frequently. Mythbusters were able to re-create it.
On the 488/96 did it have 1.15 or 1.32 housing for that 1197hp fuel only?
The FI 488 had a T6 divided 1.15 housing on it and 40 psi to the hat plus 30 psi springs in the 45mm wastegate. The Aggressor 488 had a T6 divided 1.32 housing on it and just the 30 psi springs in the same 45mm wategate. The FI-built/assembled Garrett 85mm 5018r had the 0.96 open/single volute T6 housing on it and just the 30 psi springs in the 45mm gate.
I dont know a ton about cummins motors...that being said which motor is this? I know the 5.9 and 6.7 but I hear the word common rail on this channel or when referring cummins in general. I just started watching this channel and I love the vids. Just curious as to what motor this is and what motor the godfather has?
Josh's truck came equipped with a 2005 5.9 Common Rail and he has since swapped to a Common Rail 6.7L Platform.
I just want to say "Good on you Josh for having the fore thought to have the guys stand back." You never think something bad is going to happen to me, but taking a minute to admit that it could happen and asking people to clear the "Blast Zone" was a really smart move. If for no other reason than that, you got my thumbs up. But to be honest the spindle top was the coolest thing I've seen today.
Thanks for the kind words!!! Safety First!
how and where do we vote for Josh's truck for UCC?
18:16 what is the exhaust I see approximately above the valve covers here? Earlier in the video on the 2nd turbo I saw flames there as well as the exhaust. Obviously they see it and aren’t concerned, I’m just being curious. Thanks
Probably the wastegate
It's the wastegate, it has a separate 2" short exhaust stack pipe, commonly called a screamer pipe!
Was the head stock on this truck?
This head was a fleece head. We are working on our own higher flowing head for the next engine.
Josh you are willing to take that extra step to get to your goals this is what true dedication to what you breath. Thank you and your guys for your consistent pushing the limit. Great content. Where do we vote for you to be eligible to compete at the big run.
The Diesel Power Challenge is hosted by Truck Trend/Diesel Power Magazine which is now an online magazine. To vote, go to: www.trucktrend.com/events/diesel-power-challenge/time-come-select-9-diesel-power-challenge-2020-competitors/ then click on the Survey Monkey link at the bottom of the page or this link: www.surveymonkey.com/r/RPTNVDN and be sure to select competitor #7 in the Cummins section for Josh M.
You guys are reaching the limits of chassis dyno's and would really benefit from a hub dyno.
Maybe one day but for now Track Prep for the win!
30lbs+40lbs=40lbs...... least in pressures
Awesome 👍👍👍 guys
Thanks 🤗
I'm still curious why the gt50 is considered weaker, after all of this testing, when it was able to hang with the 488 that had a larger compressor and a good bit larger turbine ar? If that gt50 would have had a 1.15 or 1.32 like you guys ended up with and proper gate control don't you think it would have lived like the aggressor? I know on my truck the difference between a 1.05, 1.15, and 1.28 housing is huge when it comes to pressure ratios.
The GT5018r failed very quickly, like 4 or 5 dyno pulls between 1100 HP and 1600 HP. The compressor wheel didn't explode from over speeding like the FI488 that was not gated properly, the shaft broke at the base/root of the threads where they always fail on that charger. If you consult with any big name Garrett distributor, they will tell you that the GTX and GTR 50's have a known weak spot on the shaft at the threads and to not push them hard in a race application. The GTX5018r that blew up on the GodFather had a 1.39 AR housing on it and no nitrous. That shaft failure looked nearly identical to the shaft failure on Josh's truck in this video. Straight up, the Borg S400 have a stronger/more robust shaft period. What's crazy is Garrett used the super strong GT55 ball bearing setup on the GT50 (so the hotside is built like a tank and only has to deal with the abuse of the smaller GT50 turbine wheel) but undercut the shaft at the base of the compressor wheel threads which didn't leave enough material to handle the torque requirements to drive the compressor wheel.
@@pddofficial this is really good info here thanks for the detailed response. I wasn't aware of the undercut shaft. I'm still curious as to what the turbine speed was compared to the s400, but I guess we'll never know. I feel like they were both probably spinning pretty far out of their designed rpm. When you guys broke the gt50 on Todd's truck it was the old secondary in his triple setup right? That would be a lot of added torque on that portion of the shaft from all the pressure coming from the primary's. I'm a Garrett fan myself and I think a lot of guys would watch these videos and conclude that garrett is junk when that's not the case at all. You guys are just finding the limits of everything over there lol. We can learn a lot from this video. Data is key 👌 Thanks for the content as usual guys keep killing it out there.
I had a turbo blow on ny ute only a small 4cyl motor little turbo. Didnt realise swapped the turbo didnt clean the lines or intercooler got 200 meters down the road on test drive ran away and blew a hole in cylinder 4. Must say lesson learned 😂😂
Yes, always clean the CAC pipes and charge air cooler!!!
Great video. Informative and informal.
Badass vid guys!!! Very good explanation of the way things are working and not!!
Glad you liked it!
ALLLL THE BOOOOSTTT
YEEEEEESSSSS lol
Josh better win DPC
Good stuff.
Thanks!
This is badass josh has my vote and my 4th gen is bone stock and I feel like it needs way more power and my second gen 12 valve does to
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Wild 😂. Like the spinning top!!!