I love the transparency you guys are bringing to this project. It is very refreshing. I was in construction for a number of years, and you can bet I made at least one or two mistakes that had to be corrected. I just feel sorry for you guys when it comes time for the sanding. So much sanding to do. I hated that when I used to do bodywork on cars. I hated it but always knew how important it was to finish product coming out great. Thanks for the video, it was great. Spring is almost here, just think of that! Nice days and no heaters!
OK, So I just binge watched this play list from number 1 to number 58 and I find that you are not finished. So I guess I will have to wait week by week for your next video. I don't think I can wait that long between videos. Seriously though this is an amazing channel and I have enjoyed each video. You have made such great progress and have maintained your sanity. Looking forward to the next episode.
You are extremely critical of your craftsmanship. 99.999% of us watching your videos wouldn’t have the slightest guess of how/where to start this project. You both are doing a GREAT job. Always look forward to your weekly updates. Thanks for sharing.
Matt is a little over critical of himself, lol. But - he's also the person that will remember where mistakes are for years. He did that on our last rebuild too. So, we're shooting for as perfect as WE can be. 🙂
Popped our head in their tent the other day and they were SUUUUUPER nice! They weren't afraid to talk shop while working like busy beavers! We were in the area looking for a slip for our 45' Morgan. Super cool people doing an amazing build
You are always much better off to have tried and failed than you would be to do nothing and succeed at doing nothing. That’s similar to other comments but it’s the way I learned it. At any rate, you’ve identified the mistakes and your making plans how to mitigate them, which at the end of the day is moving forward. Sometimes we learn a lot from those steps back and that can help us move forward smarter than we would have been if we hadn’t encountered those events. Those lasers really make measuring a lot easier don’t they? We didn’t have them when we were building homes or structural steel buildings but I can see where it would saved us a lot of time and effort measuring.
Keep rolling MJ team! The person that says they don't make mistakes must never did anything! You guys got this hands down! Can't wait to see her on the blue!
Given all the moving pieces you're handling, their size, the limitations of your build area, and the fact that you are both mortal beings (despite the occasional helpful additional help), only having those mistakes is pretty impressive. This build is coming together so nicely and you're to the point where actual living features are showing up. It just keeps getting more and more exciting. So proud of what you're doing.
As a wise man once told me while I was complaining about having to tear out and do something over, if you don't make the occasional mistake, you really haven't accomplished anything! How true! You two are doing a fantastic job on a humongous project! Just pat yourselves on the back every now and then.
As a total in the work you've done to date. Those few point of contention are trivial at worst. Inconvenient sure, but insanely minimal and still workable.. I'm betting MaxCruse has had more issues at this junction given how they can openly offer a better solution for you. If I were to come up with an error in your build it would be in.....nope nothing yet. Simply Amazing 👏
Details. It’s always the details. With me I usually think of the first time I do a boat project, I end up doing twice, as practice. Good luck and I hope you don’t get too much practice.
"Mistake" usually is pretty relative in a field You just begin hunting in, and doing that as autodidacts. I prefer the less judgmental term "learning curve", even more so as You make good decisions and learn to make better what You might have made just as good as possible before that learning experience which does enable You only today to understand the less informed decisions of yesterday as "mistake". Life is a journey, and finding joy in deviations is part of a happy, satisfactory life. The mistakes and how You dealt with it are what makes the best stories told at the campfire. Thanks for sharing! Cheers
Nice work this week. It's good that you guys can admit mistakes. It's more important that you are going back to check your work and self check. The work you do now, will make for a more beautiful boat in the end. Have you checked to boat for settlement? All the weight add over time, may cause the boat to move. As your working on engine beds, making a template of your Yanmars is a good idea. You can build for both hull and engine.
Along with my first cup of coffee every Sunday morning with you guys is the knowledge that your task is something I would never in million years attempt myself! Good to know what one knows, and even smarter to know what one doesn't. But it is always fun to watch your progress. Thanks for sharing.
Learning curves are based on mistakes I say to the young kids in the boatyard you make it right after a million mistakes and also the time it takes is the time it takes
Can't help but be reminded of that ole adage that says, " When nothing else succeeds read the instructions." LOL O well you'll get it, eventually and when its all said, and done your going to have one very nice vessel that you will be very proud of.
@@MJSailing How many pieces have you assembled already? My guess is that your average mistakes and wasted time redoing things are at a minimum for a project this size!
Great work you mavericks. I wouldn't think of them as mistakes, just standard building process, every project has issues to address and given you two are the very first- it's mind blowing how well it is going.
Don't forget to make accommodations for the JAZZY's, your going to need them by the time you get this project done. Respectfully, Dennis KV4WM, A US Navy Nuclear Submarine Veteran and Amateur Radio Operator born and raised in Michigan.
One of the reasons I like your videos is you such an excellent job on everything, with great attention to detail. It's a bummer about the mistakes, but we all make them, and on a huge project like this, some are inevitable. You are planning on fixing them in the same excellent way with attention to detail that I like so I think you are going to have an awesome boat in the end.
Hey! Thanks so much for showing this! It's helpful to see that even you guys who do so much planning and forethought end up with mistakes that have to be dealt with. I imagine a contractor or project planner could really use this video as a site for clients to watch and see how one little change can cascade into a larger delay over time. Also, I really appreciate the look at the engine spaces. It's super clear now how that's going to be laid out and gives me a much clearer perspective of how the engines are going to be positioned.
Ahhh shit happens, but you have found the errors and are correcting them. I am impressed by how much effort you have put into keeping the entire area clean. Dirty shop usually means dirty work. Great job so far by the two of you and some helpers too.
Looking great guys. Minor hiccups are bound to happen on a project this immense. Looking forward to seeing the engine beds and stern tube get installed. Regarding your gel coat repairs look at Duratec 904-001 add to gel coat and you can spray gel coat like paint. Replaces styrene and wax additive. 👍
Misstakes is a way to lern. Yes some misstakes will give you more job in the end. But same time you lern and who knows some misstakes kan be great in the end. I love what you do. This boat will be not onley a boat it will be a great home fore you in the future. Wish you all luck with this build. With love to you both from Sweden.
From ignorance I suggest that what is structurally important to correct to do that but those issues that are aesthetically off, let them become opportunities for individual expression. The deck area for example, what parts can stay as installed and where it blends to an inconvenience to the eye, can you create an effect or artistic expression to celebrate it? I don't propose a point by point resolution, but I think this may be a useful alternative to a lot of work. find opportunities for individual express and celebrate your achievements.
I've been working my way through a restoration project on an old 1969 Santana 22 sailboat, so I've really been enjoying your build and can definitely relate to the occasional "Oops, didn't think that through" moments.
Tell us more about outboards. Tell us the why and the how or perhaps which episode you may have covered that already. I’m very curious why you would do that. Huge space savings I got that perhaps far easier maintenance. Not sure if you can buy diesel outboards and that’s my true curiosity. I’d want to avoid gas.
The only two reasons we wanted outboards were for the lower weight, cost and less drag with them pulled out of the water. We heard this from multiple different catamarans designs, so this isn't specific to Seawind. But we went aboard an 1160 lite last year to check out there set-up. The outboards shook the entire boat with horrible vibrations; they were extremely noisy since the sound bounces off both hulls under deck; the delivery captain complained about reverse thrust and making the boat harder to handle in tight maneuvering conditions - and then the big one - the leeward nacelle (outboard pod) dragged through the water on most points of sail. The drag from this basically third hull would be way higher than two folding props. They are still lighter (not diesels outboards that are horrible heavy) and much easier to install. But the other negatives quickly won out and pushed us to inboards.
Pretty sure any boat I'd build would sink on being dropped into the sea for the first time. I tend to think "That's close enough" and am NEVER as precise as Matt & Jess. Happily I don't make anything physical for a living
I would make the motor beds out of metal angel bar . Bolt them to the vertical piece . Bolt holes reinforces with metal inlays, and the standing pieces filld with resin to take pressure from bolting. Don't think weight here think strength. Also in this area, think about the risk of fuel / oil /water getting in thrue bolt holes in your beams and soaking foam filling, hard to clean out.... Better to build with "air filled" boxes with drainage holes +holes that you can flush out ,clean spill from. You will have some type of fluid leak Some time. Maybye using metal in the bed would make it possible to build the engine space with "open frames" altogether, more space and easy to clean.
Mistake retake ~ When I start a home remodel or other projects small or large. I vision from the finish backwards and list it that way, what is the last thing to finish ,say a bathroom I would write down TP and towel bar locations, the reason would be while the walls are open I put in blocking behind the sheetrock so when you screw on the accessories it'll stay in place longer than using screw shields that fail. Same goes for all or many things in life, What's the last thing you should before you die ? Have a life insurance ~
For a more recent new subscriber to your channel, while I’ve gone back about a year to catch up on what’s up with this build and how you started it, do you have an episode of yours that you can recommend to get to know you two better? I’m amazed by how you know how to build a cat. Are you just the most confident, bold, and capable couple on the planet, to take on a project like this, or do you have backgrounds in engineering, or architecture, or carpentry, or construction? Either way, you guys are awesome.
Answering for them: Matt was a manager at a car dealership and Jessica worked at an insurance agency prior to setting sail nearly 10 years ago. Neither had any experience with engineering or building. They both just happen to be extremely hard workers and very detail orientated. Also, they bravely take on projects that most of us would never, ever consider doing.
It looked like the deck area you said should be flush , would direct water from the side decks down the transums, rather than down into the cockpit area ,
My dad frequenly told me, "Son, if you don't make any mistakes it means you're not doing anything." By that criterion there are days when I'm exceedingly busy. BTW, that banner reading "Carefree Boating," ain't no such thing. On the upside, Max Cruise can learn from their and your mistakes to make a much better product for all the following customers. (This reminds me of the bulkhead design on the Lagoon 450.)
Hi, I know this ep 226 is 6 months old by now, but why do you not mark the centerlines, different height measurement like waterline, xx mm higher/lower etc., all over your build. You have the laser as your perfect tool. You have 360 deg. projections which you can mark on the glass each time you use the laser. I am confident you can use these markings usefully going one with the build. These markings might come in handy later in case of any damage to the structure or bulkhead damage ( lagoon 450 !!!!!! ). PS : My company supply Vetus and you can be 100% certain you get good products from them as their QC is the most strict i have experienced ever. Good luck with the cat.
Love how far you guys have came to get to this point! Making so much progress!!! Can’t wait to see the finished product❤️ how far is it to move the vessel to the water? Do yo have to put it on a trailer to move it?
We're hoping to officially splash in the fall of 2023, but that will be if we have no more major hold-ups. Either this fall or next spring we'll move from the tent into the work yard, and that will be done by a flat bed hydraulic trailer. When we're finally ready to go in the water, that will be done with a crane. 🙂
Yes, when we were in planning stages we thought outboards would be good for us because they're easy to maintain, can be flipped up when not in use so there is no drag, and are generally a lot less expensive to purchase than diesel engines. But then we changed our minds and were able to find a great deal on two 2019 30 hp Yanmar diesels, which we ended up purchasing.
@@MJSailing Yes I know you got a good deal on your new diesels. I'm glad you were able to go with those. It's weird Ya know I just never even considered outboard motors and you make a good point because under normal circumstances you don't use the engines that much the only thing is if you get becalmed way out like on a crossing or something for some reason I would just feel better having the diesels.been a fan of your channel for almost five years now can't wait to see the boat when it's finished keep up the great work!!!!
Matt is very much the perfectionist. which is ok. Kollin of Parley Revivial has a much more pragmatic attitude towards problems that has merit too. Such errors are expected from being 1st generation build and is why it is usually recommended to buy a mature generation of any product that have "the kinks" worked out. Pioneers are very important though, otherwise nothing new will come along. lol
When do the engines go in? I can see the pluses for having the engine with in the Hull for weather protection and maintenance. Would you ever consider a hybrid system? A generator and electric engines?
Engines will probably go in late spring or early summer. And while we would love to be hybrid with one diesel and one electric, that's just not in our budget. About $40,000 for that option versus the $7,000 we paid for our two Yanmar diesels. 😉
Yes, the window opening will extend all the way down so we get a great view from that area, and it will be easier for us to keep watch on what's around us. 🙂
You guys were always going to have to fair this boat, the shrinkage over the length of the parts alone is well within tolerance for working with large molded composites. IIRC it's .5mm per 10cm of length for most composites, shrinkage, twisting etc. Now you have MULTIPLE large parts and honestly, your fit ups have looked relatively good. Don't beat yourself up. Couple of thoughts, is anyone making exhaust water heaters ? using waste heat from the engine exhaust to make hot water for use on board ? I googled but I didn't see anything in the market, if not, I might be interested in making those. As to your driveline angles, Look into using a constant velocity style joint instead of a u-joint, they offer far more misalignment capability and tolerate motion better.
The time for the saildrive ship had long since sailed. The engine would need to be much further aft for those to work and it can't fit within this design.
If you wouldn’t pointed out the mistakes nobody would have known. I am sure the manufacturer will have similar problems and is fixing them the same way. You doing really well overall.
8Deg lean on motor do you get that from the Engine Mount or the F/Glass Box you have to make for the Engine And please don't use the self leveling laser with its auto correct :) great Vlog of what went Wrong learning Curve for all.
Back in October 2020 when the Annapolis Boat Show was supposed to be happening, we had the chance to get on a Seawind 1160 with outboards, and spend the afternoon with two couples that had the same set-up. Aside from the *constant* vibrating of the entire boat while the outboards were running, we heard about non-stop issues with manuvering. Very hard in tight spaces, and nearly impossible in reverse. Plus, since we plan to cruise high latitudes again (Baltic Sea), we like the assurance diesels bring in high current areas. Outboards are good for costal cruising, but I don't think they can handle what we'd throw at them.
@@MJSailing That is interesting that you found the outboards vibrated more than inboard diesels. I would think it would be the opposite, particularly with single cylinder diesels at low rpm. Gemini catamaran owners often replace the 3 cylinder 27hp Westerbeake diesels with a Stilete stern drive with 25hp Yamaha high thrust long shaft 4 stroke outboards and find the outboard much quieter and shakes less particularly at low rpm. Thanks for showing us mistakes because we all learned a lot.
@@UUBrahman We felt and heard them on one of the Dazcats we sailed in Europe and thought it maybe just that boat. It was just as bad on the Seawind with the Yamaha high thrust. The Honda was better, but they don't offer as long of a leg and it would be borderline with the Max Cruise design. -Matt
@@MJSailing very cool, I wish you guys luck in hitting that target! Have you encountered any inflation issues with all the purchased equipment or did you buy most of it up front for the build? I’d guess the biggest risk to launching next year would be long lead times/availability of all the “stuff” you have to buy.
A mistake you haven't made (unlike myself) is a ton of sloppy layup. As it's getting warmer up here, I'm about to get into the last fiberglassing jobs on our own refit. Can you tell me what rollers you're using to impregnate the glass with resin? Seems much neater and more consistent than my pour & squeegee technique. My google-fu has availed me of little info on resin-compatible rollers.
Mistakes on a major project isn't that unexpected. Though, I am curious why you don't go electric for the propulsion? Considering it tends to take up a lot less space and have much fewer parts that can decide to fail. And on a sail boat one tends to sail. Now for maneuvering in port propulsion is though a good idea. But electric motor can be used to generate electricity when one sails, and together with solar and a bit extra battery capacity it can work fairly well. Just look at Sailing Uma for an example. Though, on a large boat like this, I can though see reason for having a 1-2 kW generator on board as an extra piece of redundancy.
We would love to be electric hybrid, but unfortunately, it's just not in our budget. That route would cost us around $40,000 to implement versus the $7,000 we paid for our two Yanmar diesels. We know Uma has gone that route, but they were able to work out a deal with Ocean Volt (we can't), and they earn about 7x more money through their channel than we do, giving them more options than we have. 😉
@@MJSailing That is true. Electric surely isn't without costs. And there is plenty of engines out on the market for a fair price making that route fairly economical.
@@MJSailing and Uma is a much smaller boat. They've adapted to a low energy use lifestyle and learned to live within their power limitations. Plus they are and will always be limited in high current areas, like around the Pacific NW and many atolls also. Having real horsepower is a much better and safer option. The only true option for electric would be a hybrid system with a diesel charging the electrics like large cruise ships use. Big Bucks!
Really good episode guys. Does the company who makes your cat see the issues you run into, and make adjustments / change instructions for the self builders ?
Yes, they are so good about that. Matt talks to the builder in the Vietnam factory about three times a week - checking in, asking questions, etc. Because we had such an issue trimming all our bulkheads to the proper shape, they are now doing that all in the factory and dry fitting the entire boat before sending it out, for future builders. 😉
Hey guys did you give up to use the outboards? I was planning to use them, I couldn´t find the video where you change your mind on them. Could you please let me know why are not going to use outboards anymore? thanks!
We went aboard a Seawind with them and didn't like the experience -. Noisy; vibrated a lot; poor reverse thrust; and the pods dragged in the water on most points of sail (negating the benefits of lifting the props out of the water). We were only going that way for the lower weight, but the inboards are worth the extra weight penalty. -Matt
All things considering those mistakes are very very minor given the amount of panels put in. Just hang a rope bag in front of that one edge of the cockpit seating and call it a day lol.
Before you tear it apart what are the factory tolerances? Superstructure is not critical to sailing performance. And the at factory assembly is probably even worse, the employees keep that confidential to keep production moving. Think about it.
Oh, so you failed to join the flanges correctly.. that's nothing. You should see the guys who joined the bow with the stern. The legend says that cat still spins round in circles 😂
We'll see what our energy level is when we get to that point, lol. But for us, a big part of the reason we're doing this build is to get the experience, and at the end be able to say "Look at what we were able to accomplish between the two of us". 🙂
@@MJSailing I love the channel and have learned so much from you guys already! I’m still amazed at the incredible process you two are making in every video! If you guys ever venture up the East Coast hope to see your beautiful boat cruising through Salem Harbor!
Do it right no matter how many tries it takes. If it is not not right or subsequently corrected - that then becomes the mistake. You are experiencing the learning curve - something even the kit supplier continues to experience. Okay, that is settled. What's next? :¬) Webhead USA
I love the transparency you guys are bringing to this project. It is very refreshing. I was in construction for a number of years, and you can bet I made at least one or two mistakes that had to be corrected. I just feel sorry for you guys when it comes time for the sanding. So much sanding to do. I hated that when I used to do bodywork on cars. I hated it but always knew how important it was to finish product coming out great. Thanks for the video, it was great. Spring is almost here, just think of that! Nice days and no heaters!
Mozart -- It's never the mistake that matters. It's the recovery that is more important.
In the grand scheme, they are only little mistakes, this kit boat still looks so much easier than building from plans only.
OK, So I just binge watched this play list from number 1 to number 58 and I find that you are not finished. So I guess I will have to wait week by week for your next video. I don't think I can wait that long between videos. Seriously though this is an amazing channel and I have enjoyed each video. You have made such great progress and have maintained your sanity. Looking forward to the next episode.
Just remember "the person that never made mistakes, never did anything". Keep doing what you doing and enjoy the process. You are doing great.
Thank you for the kind words!!
So true!
By not doing anything is a mistake, just can’t win😃
You are extremely critical of your craftsmanship. 99.999% of us watching your videos wouldn’t have the slightest guess of how/where to start this project. You both are doing a GREAT job. Always look forward to your weekly updates. Thanks for sharing.
Matt is a little over critical of himself, lol. But - he's also the person that will remember where mistakes are for years. He did that on our last rebuild too. So, we're shooting for as perfect as WE can be. 🙂
Popped our head in their tent the other day and they were SUUUUUPER nice! They weren't afraid to talk shop while working like busy beavers! We were in the area looking for a slip for our 45' Morgan. Super cool people doing an amazing build
To err is human, to fess up to it is integrity!!
Takes me way back to my childhood making ‘Airfix’ model planes, … gluing up and realizing OOOPS! … that pilot should of gone in first! Happy days🤔🙄😊
You are always much better off to have tried and failed than you would be to do nothing and succeed at doing nothing. That’s similar to other comments but it’s the way I learned it. At any rate, you’ve identified the mistakes and your making plans how to mitigate them, which at the end of the day is moving forward. Sometimes we learn a lot from those steps back and that can help us move forward smarter than we would have been if we hadn’t encountered those events. Those lasers really make measuring a lot easier don’t they? We didn’t have them when we were building homes or structural steel buildings but I can see where it would saved us a lot of time and effort measuring.
Keep rolling MJ team! The person that says they don't make mistakes must never did anything! You guys got this hands down! Can't wait to see her on the blue!
Given all the moving pieces you're handling, their size, the limitations of your build area, and the fact that you are both mortal beings (despite the occasional helpful additional help), only having those mistakes is pretty impressive. This build is coming together so nicely and you're to the point where actual living features are showing up. It just keeps getting more and more exciting. So proud of what you're doing.
Just wait until next week where we start building out the cabinets in the master head. It changes the look of everything!! 😃
That laser gadget is very impressive! What a great aide
I can only think of one word to describe your knowledge and work.AMAZING !!!!!!!!
That is so kind, thank you!
As a wise man once told me while I was complaining about having to tear out and do something over, if you don't make the occasional mistake, you really haven't accomplished anything! How true! You two are doing a fantastic job on a humongous project! Just pat yourselves on the back every now and then.
Well done Matt. Although you have been extremely meticulous about the build process, nothing is ever perfect. You guys are doing an amazing job.
The fact that you acknowledge your mistakes.
Just shows your attention to details.
Your results will show in your beautiful finished sailboat.
We are sure hoping so! I think we'll be very familiar with fairing and using the longboard by the end of this. 🙂
As a total in the work you've done to date.
Those few point of contention are trivial at worst.
Inconvenient sure, but insanely minimal and still workable..
I'm betting MaxCruse has had more issues at this junction given how they can openly offer a better solution for you.
If I were to come up with an error in your build it would be in.....nope nothing yet.
Simply Amazing 👏
Details. It’s always the details.
With me I usually think of the first time I do a boat project, I end up doing twice, as practice. Good luck and I hope you don’t get too much practice.
"Mistake" usually is pretty relative in a field You just begin hunting in, and doing that as autodidacts. I prefer the less judgmental term "learning curve", even more so as You make good decisions and learn to make better what You might have made just as good as possible before that learning experience which does enable You only today to understand the less informed decisions of yesterday as "mistake". Life is a journey, and finding joy in deviations is part of a happy, satisfactory life. The mistakes and how You dealt with it are what makes the best stories told at the campfire. Thanks for sharing! Cheers
I like it that you did this video. I like to see people that have the confidence to discuss their mistakes. Mistakes are the biggest learning tool!
And we learned from plenty of mistakes rebuilding our aluminum boat too, lol.
Nice work this week. It's good that you guys can admit mistakes. It's more important that you are going back to check your work and self check. The work you do now, will make for a more beautiful boat in the end.
Have you checked to boat for settlement? All the weight add over time, may cause the boat to move.
As your working on engine beds, making a template of your Yanmars is a good idea. You can build for both hull and engine.
To get a better curve cut and an easier and faster way, Use a Holesaw bit and drill out the corners first.
Along with my first cup of coffee every Sunday morning with you guys is the knowledge that your task is something I would never in million years attempt myself! Good to know what one knows, and even smarter to know what one doesn't. But it is always fun to watch your progress. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you so much for tuning in each week! 😀
Learning curves are based on mistakes I say to the young kids in the boatyard you make it right after a million mistakes and also the time it takes is the time it takes
Can't help but be reminded of that ole adage that says, " When nothing else succeeds read the instructions." LOL O well you'll get it, eventually and when its all said, and done your going to have one very nice vessel that you will be very proud of.
If you hadn't told us, we'd never have known! Everything you do looks so good and so well thought out.
Mistakes are the vehicle that teach us. How we react to those mistakes reflects in our growth. You two are growing just fine.😊 Keep up the good work!!
If only the mistake with the cockpit seats didn't cost us so much time to go back and fix. 😪
@@MJSailing How many pieces have you assembled already? My guess is that your average mistakes and wasted time redoing things are at a minimum for a project this size!
Great work you mavericks. I wouldn't think of them as mistakes, just standard building process, every project has issues to address and given you two are the very first- it's mind blowing how well it is going.
Don't forget to make accommodations for the JAZZY's, your going to need them by the time you get this project done. Respectfully, Dennis KV4WM, A US Navy Nuclear Submarine Veteran and Amateur Radio Operator born and raised in Michigan.
One of the reasons I like your videos is you such an excellent job on everything, with great attention to detail. It's a bummer about the mistakes, but we all make them, and on a huge project like this, some are inevitable. You are planning on fixing them in the same excellent way with attention to detail that I like so I think you are going to have an awesome boat in the end.
That is amazing attention to details, details, details. Thank you for the lessons I need to learn !
Thank you so much!! We really hoping that fine attention to detail pays off when we're ready to set sail.
Hey! Thanks so much for showing this! It's helpful to see that even you guys who do so much planning and forethought end up with mistakes that have to be dealt with. I imagine a contractor or project planner could really use this video as a site for clients to watch and see how one little change can cascade into a larger delay over time. Also, I really appreciate the look at the engine spaces. It's super clear now how that's going to be laid out and gives me a much clearer perspective of how the engines are going to be positioned.
Ahhh shit happens, but you have found the errors and are correcting them. I am impressed by how much effort you have put into keeping the entire area clean. Dirty shop usually means dirty work. Great job so far by the two of you and some helpers too.
I have been waiting all week for this mistakes happen rise above it fix it and move on great work guys
Looking great guys. Minor hiccups are bound to happen on a project this immense. Looking forward to seeing the engine beds and stern tube get installed. Regarding your gel coat repairs look at Duratec 904-001 add to gel coat and you can spray gel coat like paint. Replaces styrene and wax additive. 👍
Misstakes is a way to lern.
Yes some misstakes will give you more job in the end.
But same time you lern and who knows some misstakes kan be great in the end.
I love what you do.
This boat will be not onley a boat it will be a great home fore you in the future.
Wish you all luck with this build.
With love to you both from Sweden.
From ignorance I suggest that what is structurally important to correct to do that but those issues that are aesthetically off, let them become opportunities for individual expression. The deck area for example, what parts can stay as installed and where it blends to an inconvenience to the eye, can you create an effect or artistic expression to celebrate it? I don't propose a point by point resolution, but I think this may be a useful alternative to a lot of work. find opportunities for individual express and celebrate your achievements.
Live and learn. I like to say, " I like to do things twice. It doubles my chances of getting it right the first time ". Lol.
Hahahaha, pretty much how we handled the interior of the aluminum build!
Lessons learned. Finding, redesigning & fixing the mistakes. Making improvements as the build progresses.
I've been working my way through a restoration project on an old 1969 Santana 22 sailboat, so I've really been enjoying your build and can definitely relate to the occasional "Oops, didn't think that through" moments.
Which in the end, are too many to keep count of. 😂
thanks always enjoyable..
Tell us more about outboards. Tell us the why and the how or perhaps which episode you may have covered that already. I’m very curious why you would do that. Huge space savings I got that perhaps far easier maintenance.
Not sure if you can buy diesel outboards and that’s my true curiosity. I’d want to avoid gas.
The only two reasons we wanted outboards were for the lower weight, cost and less drag with them pulled out of the water.
We heard this from multiple different catamarans designs, so this isn't specific to Seawind. But we went aboard an 1160 lite last year to check out there set-up. The outboards shook the entire boat with horrible vibrations; they were extremely noisy since the sound bounces off both hulls under deck; the delivery captain complained about reverse thrust and making the boat harder to handle in tight maneuvering conditions - and then the big one - the leeward nacelle (outboard pod) dragged through the water on most points of sail. The drag from this basically third hull would be way higher than two folding props.
They are still lighter (not diesels outboards that are horrible heavy) and much easier to install. But the other negatives quickly won out and pushed us to inboards.
You learn by doing mistakes 😉
But at the end all is forgotten
You do a great job
Not everyone will take the challenge to build a boat like you
Sitting in a beautiful anchorage, we'll be able to enjoy it even more because of all the hard work that went into it. ☺️
Pretty sure any boat I'd build would sink on being dropped into the sea for the first time. I tend to think "That's close enough" and am NEVER as precise as Matt & Jess.
Happily I don't make anything physical for a living
The skill of a craftman is directly related to their ability to make a mistake look like that is what they planned in the beginning. Hang in there.
At least the EVA foam on the decks will hide some of that mistake. 😉
grinder with flap disc would work well on that
I would make the motor beds out of metal angel bar . Bolt them to the vertical piece . Bolt holes reinforces with metal inlays, and the standing pieces filld with resin to take pressure from bolting.
Don't think weight here think strength. Also in this area, think about the risk of fuel / oil /water getting in thrue bolt holes in your beams and soaking foam filling, hard to clean out....
Better to build with "air filled" boxes with drainage holes +holes that you can flush out ,clean spill from.
You will have some type of fluid leak
Some time.
Maybye using metal in the bed would make it possible to build the engine space with "open frames" altogether, more space and easy to clean.
Mistake retake ~ When I start a home remodel or other projects small or large. I vision from the finish backwards and list it that way, what is the last thing to finish ,say a bathroom I would write down TP and towel bar locations, the reason would be while the walls are open I put in blocking behind the sheetrock so when you screw on the accessories it'll stay in place longer than using screw shields that fail. Same goes for all or many things in life, What's the last thing you should before you die ? Have a life insurance ~
Interesting concept. I like it!
For a more recent new subscriber to your channel, while I’ve gone back about a year to catch up on what’s up with this build and how you started it, do you have an episode of yours that you can recommend to get to know you two better? I’m amazed by how you know how to build a cat. Are you just the most confident, bold, and capable couple on the planet, to take on a project like this, or do you have backgrounds in engineering, or architecture, or carpentry, or construction? Either way, you guys are awesome.
Answering for them: Matt was a manager at a car dealership and Jessica worked at an insurance agency prior to setting sail nearly 10 years ago. Neither had any experience with engineering or building. They both just happen to be extremely hard workers and very detail orientated. Also, they bravely take on projects that most of us would never, ever consider doing.
Great Video !
Really nice to see that you're using shaft drive engines vs. saildrives.
With the ease of installation I wish we were using sail drive. But once that's done, I'll be happier with shafts in the long run.
It great to see the details as you work through the the process. Especially the lessons learned, and then the remedies
No need sweating about glitches as they arise. You two are doing a fantastic job! What an amazing project! Just heads up and keep moving. (:
Thanks for encouragement! The only big bummer is that mistake in the cockpit means one less month we could have been in the water with the boat. 😥
The greatest advances in technology, medical and everything involves mistakes.
It’s looking great from here 😂 in the sunny English Riviera.
I love the 10 foot rule, lol. When everything looks good from 10 ft away. Enjoy spring on the English Riviera!!
Thank you.
It looked like the deck area you said should be flush , would direct water from the side decks down the transums, rather than down into the cockpit area ,
I have been waiting for this video for a long time. The project has just been going too smoothly:)
Well we sure made some extra work for ourselves there, lol.
Good job Matt? Is that correct?' Keep it up the good job.
My dad frequenly told me, "Son, if you don't make any mistakes it means you're not doing anything." By that criterion there are days when I'm exceedingly busy. BTW, that banner reading "Carefree Boating," ain't no such thing. On the upside, Max Cruise can learn from their and your mistakes to make a much better product for all the following customers. (This reminds me of the bulkhead design on the Lagoon 450.)
By that definition, we stay "busy" a lot. 😂
Hi, I know this ep 226 is 6 months old by now, but why do you not mark the centerlines, different height measurement like waterline, xx mm higher/lower etc., all over your build. You have the laser as your perfect tool. You have 360 deg. projections which you can mark on the glass each time you use the laser. I am confident you can use these markings usefully going one with the build. These markings might come in handy later in case of any damage to the structure or bulkhead damage ( lagoon 450 !!!!!! ). PS : My company supply Vetus and you can be 100% certain you get good products from them as their QC is the most strict i have experienced ever. Good luck with the cat.
I think you said you intend to have outboard motors. So why install the engine support beams. Or have I miss understood what you said.
Why not add brackets for the cross beam of engine compartment so you can lift it out of the way when you need to work in there?
Love how far you guys have came to get to this point! Making so much progress!!! Can’t wait to see the finished product❤️ how far is it to move the vessel to the water? Do yo have to put it on a trailer to move it?
We're hoping to officially splash in the fall of 2023, but that will be if we have no more major hold-ups. Either this fall or next spring we'll move from the tent into the work yard, and that will be done by a flat bed hydraulic trailer. When we're finally ready to go in the water, that will be done with a crane. 🙂
Were you guys thinking about going with outboard motors at the beginning????
Yes, when we were in planning stages we thought outboards would be good for us because they're easy to maintain, can be flipped up when not in use so there is no drag, and are generally a lot less expensive to purchase than diesel engines. But then we changed our minds and were able to find a great deal on two 2019 30 hp Yanmar diesels, which we ended up purchasing.
@@MJSailing Yes I know you got a good deal on your new diesels. I'm glad you were able to go with those. It's weird Ya know I just never even considered outboard motors and you make a good point because under normal circumstances you don't use the engines that much the only thing is if you get becalmed way out like on a crossing or something for some reason I would just feel better having the diesels.been a fan of your channel for almost five years now can't wait to see the boat when it's finished keep up the great work!!!!
Rules of boat building.
“If you can’t hide it, make a feature of it”
“If it breaks its too light, if it doesn’t break it’s too heavy”
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It kind of like what I told my boss a long time ago, if I can't fix it, it is a feature. 😀
@@terryroth9707 And Bill Gates, “it’s not a bug it’s a feature” 🤣
@Reuben Filsell I'm a MCSE, which is why I said it.
Matt is very much the perfectionist. which is ok. Kollin of Parley Revivial has a much more pragmatic attitude towards problems that has merit too. Such errors are expected from being 1st generation build and is why it is usually recommended to buy a mature generation of any product that have "the kinks" worked out. Pioneers are very important though, otherwise nothing new will come along. lol
Great Job!!! Thank You… :-)
When do the engines go in? I can see the pluses for having the engine with in the Hull for weather protection and maintenance. Would you ever consider a hybrid system? A generator and electric engines?
Engines will probably go in late spring or early summer. And while we would love to be hybrid with one diesel and one electric, that's just not in our budget. About $40,000 for that option versus the $7,000 we paid for our two Yanmar diesels. 😉
Love the episode. Did you verify that the 300mm gab for the engine beds matches with your motor mounts on the engines?
On a similar thought, if that's the ginished opening shouldn't those stringers be set back to allow for the 14 layers of glass mat?
Are you still doing the outboards? I recall a video from a little while ago of you acquiring inboard yanmars
when you extend under those windows, are you enlarging the window openings down to the cockpit?
Yes, the window opening will extend all the way down so we get a great view from that area, and it will be easier for us to keep watch on what's around us. 🙂
You guys were always going to have to fair this boat, the shrinkage over the length of the parts alone is well within tolerance for working with large molded composites. IIRC it's .5mm per 10cm of length for most composites, shrinkage, twisting etc. Now you have MULTIPLE large parts and honestly, your fit ups have looked relatively good. Don't beat yourself up.
Couple of thoughts, is anyone making exhaust water heaters ? using waste heat from the engine exhaust to make hot water for use on board ? I googled but I didn't see anything in the market, if not, I might be interested in making those.
As to your driveline angles, Look into using a constant velocity style joint instead of a u-joint, they offer far more misalignment capability and tolerate motion better.
Just a reminder, Vetus has engine bed for saildrive , maybe the time to install? Great work by the way. Huge project
The time for the saildrive ship had long since sailed. The engine would need to be much further aft for those to work and it can't fit within this design.
If you wouldn’t pointed out the mistakes nobody would have known. I am sure the manufacturer will have similar problems and is fixing them the same way. You doing really well overall.
Are you going with diesel outboards? I’m just across the bay from you on south river so if you ever need a hand let me know.
We actually have two Yanmar 30 hp diesel engines which we'll be installing later this year. 🙂
8Deg lean on motor do you get that from the Engine Mount or the F/Glass Box you have to make for the Engine And please don't use the self leveling laser with its auto correct :) great Vlog of what went Wrong learning Curve for all.
I know how you feel. I was wrong once too. I thought I was wrong and it turned out I was right. It taught me a lesson...Moses
Congrats on so few mistakes! Curious to know why you decided to switch from twin outboards to inboard diesel power?
Back in October 2020 when the Annapolis Boat Show was supposed to be happening, we had the chance to get on a Seawind 1160 with outboards, and spend the afternoon with two couples that had the same set-up. Aside from the *constant* vibrating of the entire boat while the outboards were running, we heard about non-stop issues with manuvering. Very hard in tight spaces, and nearly impossible in reverse. Plus, since we plan to cruise high latitudes again (Baltic Sea), we like the assurance diesels bring in high current areas. Outboards are good for costal cruising, but I don't think they can handle what we'd throw at them.
@@MJSailing That is interesting that you found the outboards vibrated more than inboard diesels. I would think it would be the opposite, particularly with single cylinder diesels at low rpm. Gemini catamaran owners often replace the 3 cylinder 27hp Westerbeake diesels with a Stilete stern drive with 25hp Yamaha high thrust long shaft 4 stroke outboards and find the outboard much quieter and shakes less particularly at low rpm. Thanks for showing us mistakes because we all learned a lot.
@@UUBrahman We felt and heard them on one of the Dazcats we sailed in Europe and thought it maybe just that boat. It was just as bad on the Seawind with the Yamaha high thrust. The Honda was better, but they don't offer as long of a leg and it would be borderline with the Max Cruise design. -Matt
Great job so far! So now that you are a year into the build, do you have a guesstimate as to when you’ll be splashing this beauty and start sailing?
We're still really hoping to splash in the fall of 2023, but we'll have to see how many more hold-ups we go through over the next 18 months. 😉
@@MJSailing very cool, I wish you guys luck in hitting that target! Have you encountered any inflation issues with all the purchased equipment or did you buy most of it up front for the build? I’d guess the biggest risk to launching next year would be long lead times/availability of all the “stuff” you have to buy.
A mistake you haven't made (unlike myself) is a ton of sloppy layup. As it's getting warmer up here, I'm about to get into the last fiberglassing jobs on our own refit. Can you tell me what rollers you're using to impregnate the glass with resin? Seems much neater and more consistent than my pour & squeegee technique. My google-fu has availed me of little info on resin-compatible rollers.
What's the plan for hoisting the (800lb?) engine into place? It seems quite inaccessible.
They are 302lbs with the gearbox (which is easily removed). They are moveable with four people - which we've done before.
lets see your long block collection
Mistakes on a major project isn't that unexpected.
Though, I am curious why you don't go electric for the propulsion?
Considering it tends to take up a lot less space and have much fewer parts that can decide to fail.
And on a sail boat one tends to sail. Now for maneuvering in port propulsion is though a good idea.
But electric motor can be used to generate electricity when one sails, and together with solar and a bit extra battery capacity it can work fairly well. Just look at Sailing Uma for an example.
Though, on a large boat like this, I can though see reason for having a 1-2 kW generator on board as an extra piece of redundancy.
We would love to be electric hybrid, but unfortunately, it's just not in our budget. That route would cost us around $40,000 to implement versus the $7,000 we paid for our two Yanmar diesels. We know Uma has gone that route, but they were able to work out a deal with Ocean Volt (we can't), and they earn about 7x more money through their channel than we do, giving them more options than we have. 😉
@@MJSailing That is true. Electric surely isn't without costs. And there is plenty of engines out on the market for a fair price making that route fairly economical.
@@MJSailing and Uma is a much smaller boat. They've adapted to a low energy use lifestyle and learned to live within their power limitations. Plus they are and will always be limited in high current areas, like around the Pacific NW and many atolls also. Having real horsepower is a much better and safer option. The only true option for electric would be a hybrid system with a diesel charging the electrics like large cruise ships use. Big Bucks!
Really good episode guys. Does the company who makes your cat see the issues you run into, and make adjustments / change instructions for the self builders ?
Yes, they are so good about that. Matt talks to the builder in the Vietnam factory about three times a week - checking in, asking questions, etc. Because we had such an issue trimming all our bulkheads to the proper shape, they are now doing that all in the factory and dry fitting the entire boat before sending it out, for future builders. 😉
@@MJSailing As it should be. That's asking a lot for a "home" bldr to have the equipment and space to dry fit it all and trim accordingly.
Hey guys did you give up to use the outboards? I was planning to use them, I couldn´t find the video where you change your mind on them. Could you please let me know why are not going to use outboards anymore? thanks!
We went aboard a Seawind with them and didn't like the experience -. Noisy; vibrated a lot; poor reverse thrust; and the pods dragged in the water on most points of sail (negating the benefits of lifting the props out of the water). We were only going that way for the lower weight, but the inboards are worth the extra weight penalty. -Matt
@@MJSailing Hi Matt really thanks for your answer, just one question the outboads that seawind had were 2stroke or 4stroke?
Hi guys I takit its not possible to put say a box into that corner for whatever gear ?.
There's actually going to be steps in that corner, which lead up to the side decks.
@MJ Sailing well as I know you will make it safe and strong steps would work for me , its always something you could address later.
All things considering those mistakes are very very minor given the amount of panels put in. Just hang a rope bag in front of that one edge of the cockpit seating and call it a day lol.
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3mm is probably better then many production boats
You will always see all the little mistakes. No one else will.
Before you tear it apart what are the factory tolerances? Superstructure is not critical to sailing performance. And the at factory assembly is probably even worse, the employees keep that confidential to keep production moving. Think about it.
Even if factory tolerances allowed it, Matt wouldn't, lol.
There are no mistakes, just multiple adjustments!
That is a great way to look at it!!
Oh, so you failed to join the flanges correctly.. that's nothing. You should see the guys who joined the bow with the stern. The legend says that cat still spins round in circles 😂
I think you should bring in a pro to fix that mistake! May make it easier for you two in the future
We'll see what our energy level is when we get to that point, lol. But for us, a big part of the reason we're doing this build is to get the experience, and at the end be able to say "Look at what we were able to accomplish between the two of us". 🙂
@@MJSailing I love the channel and have learned so much from you guys already! I’m still amazed at the incredible process you two are making in every video! If you guys ever venture up the East Coast hope to see your beautiful boat cruising through Salem Harbor!
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Lots of room for activities. LOL
Do it right no matter how many tries it takes. If it is not not right or subsequently corrected - that then becomes the mistake. You are experiencing the learning curve - something even the kit supplier continues to experience. Okay, that is settled. What's next? :¬) Webhead USA
Hahaha, true!!! I guess we can't consider them mistakes unless we leave them that way. 😉
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Ooooo the Fickle Finger Fate rides again... Cheers to you ...
I guess I am too old to take on a challenge this big. These types of mistakes are extremely easy to make when you get tired and stressed.
Just wondering, do you ever curse. What a Look at what it takes. Nice Work
Only under my breath, lol.
Matt sounds and looks like Salomondrin so much haha