The high speed rail being four times as expensive as the slow trains, explains why those trains are almost empty. Why didn't the high speed rail companies lower prices to get more of the tickets sold? That would make more sense than running almost empty trains.
Every single high-speed train line in China are managed by State -owned companies. This means the Chinese Communist Party has to be brought into the loop when operators talk about changes to things like fare, schedules, hiring, firing, etc. The ChiComms are not what you'd call the World's fastest decision makers so it's no surprise ticket prices aren't going to match demand for a few Months.
Every single high-speed train line in China is managed by State -owned companies. This means ChiComms have to be brought into the loop when operators think about changes to things like fares, schedules, hiring, firing, etc. ChiComms are not what you'd call the World's fastest decision makers so it's no surprise ticket prices aren't going to match demand for a few Months.
I lived in China for two years on business. I always traveled on the high speed trains, in first class, because it was so cheap by our standards. Unfortunately the level of wages of most Chinese people forces them into the slower and cheaper trains. Sad for the people…..their government sucks.
China's HSR (High Speed Rail), loses $75 million dollars. A DAY. They have enough to cover operating costs, BARELY, but are two TRILLION dollars in debt. They just cannot service their debt.
Holy cow, that's a lot of liabilities. Yikes. And now you know why the US don't build these sorts of projects. The financials simply don't justify the initial expenses.
@@CoffeeAndPaul - 100%. It takes 36 million passengers a year for a high speed rail to make sense, financially. ONLY the Boston, New York, Philly, Baltimore, to Washington DC route would qualify in the US.
It’s because the way the system was built. The Chinese decided to build to all cities because they thought it would be cool, and they use expensive equipment and technology instead of using tech that would actually fit their needs
CN built to increase numbers to brag ablut, not to last. Repeatly they value flashy shiny new things not things built to last while balancing cost and demand. Estimated 2 trillion empty tofu homes yet they still proclaim 5% growth.
They only wanna boast that we can do it too and better than others even though it was just a fake. Doesn't care if it costs a lot of money to build, it ain't theirs, it's the citizens, just don't wanna lose face. Still living inside a well. Everything is fake in China!.🤣🤣🤣
That reminds me of covid in London, UK, when only emergency personnel were allowed to use public transport, so almost nobody could ride the trains, but they kept on running anyway. You'd see them pull into suburban stations, empty carriages, empty platforms. They were ghost trains. I half-expected to see grinning skeletons driving them. After dark they'd be all lit up and deserted. You could hear them clattering along between the streets and houses, taking nobody anywhere. Sometimes I felt like an actor in a dystopian movie. Strange times...
I think it's both. But it would seem to make sense to slash the price of tickets and fill the trains rather than run them empty. But, I guess that's China...
I don’t understand the basic question of economics here. If the high-speed train is empty, then it is running at a loss, right? Its competitor, the green train, is running at over capacity. Who gets the money? Are they state owned entities? How can they continue to run without turning a profit? Won’t they go bankrupt? There are so many questions, and so few answers.
Every single high-speed train line in China is managed by State -owned companies. This means ChiComms have to be brought into the loop when operators think about changes to things like fares, schedules, hiring, firing, etc. ChiComms are not what you'd call the World's fastest decision makers so it's no surprise ticket prices aren't going to match demand for a few Months. State ownership means these can operate with losses, with the justification in Beijing being these are public resources. That's not what they are, of course. What they are are flashy advertisements for China on wheels.
Last I heard, only the Beijing-to-Shanghai HST route is making a profit which is used to subsidize those routes losing money. The high-speed rail system is, for all intents and purposes, bankrupt. The central government is just absorbing the huge losses through massive subsidies rather than close down unprofitable routes.
The scenes on the old sleeper trains remind me of scenes from 20 years ago. Back then the high speed lines or PDLs were dunned "the white collar railways," it seems that statement holds true still.
I had to book 3 days in advance for my Hangzhou to Beijing high-speed journey. The second class was fully booked. So it depends on the day of travel and destinations. Some in high demand while some not so. Just like anywhere else. Nothing unusual.
@@kamsunleong6648 If you're talking busy routes like Shanghai-Beijing, Beijing-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Guangzhou, then tickets are still hard to get during the New Year's travel season.
@@CoffeeAndPaulthe ussr had 290 million and was was bigger (there is alot of land not in permafrost) there was space. thats why im wondering. china is cramped and complain about emptiness. even india wants some space
@@Placefriday Not. Foreigners in China are paid better than the locals. And foreigners don't earn as much as they would in their native countries. Only those connected to the CCP or those who are really opportunistic will amass a fortune equal to those of other countries. Most people are just getting by.
Monopoly of essential services always leads to looting of common people,,i traveled china in 2018,, and travelled by bullet train from Guangzhou to Shenzhen, which costed 78 yuan,, for 140 kilometres,there was only one single regular train in a day which had 32 yuan train fare,, then I travelled by k528 regular green train from Guangzhou to wuxi which costed 220 yuan for 1300 kilometres,,in India our trains are far cheaper and you can travel on a sleeper class from Mumbai to Delhi less than Hard seat of china,, The conclusion is that Chinese government is looting it's own people for mismanagement of its own who invested unnecessarily in bullet trains without checking it's viability
Those Green Tains are First Class compared to when I crossed China 3X back in 1990. Back then, the carriages were way worse. I remember taking the train from Lanzhou to Urumqi and booking the "HARD SEAT". You want misery, you needed to try that. It was in human and what an eye opener. That scared me for life. Lol.
lol, from a VOA article on early ‘24. _A Shanghai resident who for privacy reasons only gave her surname Ms. Shi, takes the high-speed train to and from Hangzhou for work every week. She tells VOA that white-collar workers like herself who commute weekly can afford the high-speed rail._ _She notes that most passengers who take the high-speed rail daily are business travelers who are reimbursed by companies or government agencies for the cost._
How does a powerhouse like China have a minimum wage of $300 per month? How does one live off of that? That is just straight-out cruelty and inhumane. 😡
1:33 This 2'400 Yuan are only 316 €. This is in Federal Republic of Germany a travel about ~1000 km from Flensburg to Munich in the first class. But if I order the ticket just six month before I pay only 50 €. How far away these both cities and how long time do you travel?
In 2004 when I was there it was n't odd to see very little people on the high-speed train. I took the green train just for the experience and it was packed. I went to a hotel with my wife to visit some of her friends as we were gathering and rented a room. It was - 23 c and snow. Two of her friends showed up on motorbikes. As a Canadian my first thing I asked , did you guys come on snowmobiles LMAO. Their bikes had studs in the tires. I wouldn't be so critical of everyone riding motorcycles. Bad weather or good it can still be a blast.
China is running High speed rail in different corridors. But some corridor faces huge loss 😅. Because of the high price . Chinese bullet train is in loss 😢
Train tickets cost as much as some people earn in a month. The people are good old fashioned broke. Now we are going to build high speed rail in Australia, Another waste of money.
The speed train's price is 4X higher than the green train. People are trying to save money every way they can. The speed train should reduce down to 2X the price of a green train.
Bro, you telling me that one way ticket costs $300 no way Well, if that's the case now, i understand why here in the States, we dont have high-speed rail too expensive to build and to maintain
China is so developed and yet there are poor people suffering and here in Bangladesh 🇧🇩 there is no development and suffering is endless for majority 😢
I sympathize, friend, but those high-speed trains you watched in this video & the rail beds those travel over? Both of those things are exactly the OPPOSITE of the sort of infrastructure development you want. You want to develop infrastructure that's useful for everyone like plumbing, electricity, flood barriers, traffic control, stormwater runoffs, sewage treatment and the like. These trains are not useless but they are close to useless. The first thing that caught my eye Years ago when I saw these was the fact that noone moves heavy freight over those specific tracks. There's good reasons for this which I'm not going to get into, but the fact is that heavy freight (bulk dry goods, dry & wet chemicals, liquids, durable goods, etc.) pays most of the bills for railroad operators. Cargo keeps the lights on, not passenger trains. You want rail infrastructure that can move both people AND cargo. This video is a warning, a cautionary tale to not waste your time nor your money on high-speed rail, at least not yet.
@@CoffeeAndPaul High-speed rail is fine, it's just that the prices are priced up too keep the plebs out. Also the system is excellent for moving troops, police, military police, agents and so on around in a very efficient and quick way before any uprisings get out of hand too quickly. Also the system if used properly is meant to shovel people of mixed rail routes and onto dedicated passenger routes so more industrial trains can shift more goods overtime. Also good for moving things you don't want too many people too see and quickly.
13:00 so what??? I drive 900km and 900 back(passing through 4 countries) 2-3 times a year to see my family and I am not crying. Also I do it in around 10-11h.
Roads are not that good in china and it is commo. To be pulled over by local police- especiallly now that local cops have been extortion gangs to finance local governments and you are a huge target to hit with hundreds of trumped up charges and fines, no such thing as justice in communist china
China is basically a giant corporate slave plantation, party members are management, employees, and stockholders. Everyone and everything else is property. Just change Communist heirarchies and dialect for corporate structure and corpspeak.
during the lunar new year chinese airlines and highspeed trains hike the prices to highheaven and beyond supply/demand , mean while unemployment is rising fast in china....in the end every one is going to cheap out!
This is incorrect - in America, for long distance travel, airplane travel is more expensive than train, which is more expensive than the bus. We don't have high speed rail except for in the northeast. So, regular Amtrak trains, the equivalent of "green trains", with rooms and roomettes available, are the only rail option for most travelers here. People prefer airplanes because they get you there much faster than the other options. People prefer driving over trains because the road system is more developed than the rail system, and you'll require a car at any non-urban destinations, so driving your own car is cheaper than driving to the train station, paying to park your car (or worrying about it the whole time you're gone), paying for the train ticket, and then renting a car at your destination.
seems suss.... how does the high train get financed if none ride them? arnt they kinda, forced to lower price. i know its not a free market like in capitalist countries, but wtf.
I wonder that the highspeed training ticket price is not mentioned. I hope they might have strick rules for TH-camrs. But I can imagine the price could cost more than riding bicycles 4 days. That's why people choose to ride bicycles which means much much cheaper
An empty train is running at a much greater loss than a full train with lowered ticket prices. For CNY, the train companies should just have a special discount to make travel more affordable and that high-speed rail infrastructure gets to be utilized. 500 million passengers paying 800 yuan each is still 400 billion yuan worth of revenue waiting to be earned.
They the CCP should have opened the high speed rail to everyone. Opened to all and at the green train price's. They need everyone to ride the high speed train to make it worth the cost of building it. It's a bit silly even at a quarter of the price it's better than a empty train making the same journey. They should open the HSR to all. Chinese people's taxes paid for it it's they're bloody train ffs. A quarter of the price is better than a empty train making zero dollars that's silly lol.
You should have been paying attention to the business activity lowering over the span of time. It does not just change one sunrise. Pay attention to details, trends. Data Analytics, what is that? Age of information, what is that ?
Used to take the slower train in Korea because I was only going a short distance and the HSR didn’t stop in the smaller town. And yeah, people aren’t allowed to stand in the aisle like that, lol.
And there's still someone keep saying online😅on he's comment that many people go home on lunar new year today in their own country, but in contrary it's not.
I think it's just as pointless to travel home for the holidays on motorcycle if you rely on your vehicles miles to keep you working, it's like your going to repeat the process on a wasteful ritual back and forth, your better off working out the long term math or variables and just staying put, so long as they keep in touch they can save money for other survival scenarios, the class warfare and backwardness of building infrastructure projects that are not meant for the general public is quite draconian and dystopian for a top economy country like China.
what r they talking about, don't they know that majority of people went home 2 weeks ago. that when they have the travel rush, they all went home already. cause there's no work/job left, the whole country is in recession. don't these vloggers know what's going on? open ur eyes...tell ur leaders to step down.
Expensive and dangerous? No wonder not may people are willing to spend money for it... the green train actually makes more sense if you think about it. A little bit of extra time is not really that bad in comparison. The only problem is they oversold it... you can tell its a government run business... no initiative to make money at all. The would rathe pack people in then get more trains running where the could make more profit.
the obvious solution society wide is...maybe don't all do the SAME THING at the SAME TIME. this is the modern world, not a world where everyone lives in the same village or at most one or two away and are the odd ones out.. to help the government could make different holidays for family reunion and people could pick which ones their families usually go to..(or rotate on different years since it's not like one can go to all their families here on thanks giving, they have to make choices..maybe just go on christmas...or have a reunion sometime in the summer and take some vacation days off for that.
The high speed rail being four times as expensive as the slow trains, explains why those trains are almost empty. Why didn't the high speed rail companies lower prices to get more of the tickets sold? That would make more sense than running almost empty trains.
Every single high-speed train line in China are managed by State -owned companies. This means the Chinese Communist Party has to be brought into the loop when operators talk about changes to things like fare, schedules, hiring, firing, etc.
The ChiComms are not what you'd call the World's fastest decision makers so it's no surprise ticket prices aren't going to match demand for a few Months.
Every single high-speed train line in China is managed by State -owned companies. This means ChiComms have to be brought into the loop when operators think about changes to things like fares, schedules, hiring, firing, etc.
ChiComms are not what you'd call the World's fastest decision makers so it's no surprise ticket prices aren't going to match demand for a few Months.
Due to just BLEEDING money, China's HSR just INCREASED the ticket price by 40%. That's why ridership collapsed.
Because centralized planning doesn't acknowledge or react to supply and demand.
I lived in China for two years on business. I always traveled on the high speed trains, in first class, because it was so cheap by our standards. Unfortunately the level of wages of most Chinese people forces them into the slower and cheaper trains. Sad for the people…..their government sucks.
China's HSR (High Speed Rail), loses $75 million dollars. A DAY. They have enough to cover operating costs, BARELY, but are two TRILLION dollars in debt. They just cannot service their debt.
Holy cow, that's a lot of liabilities. Yikes.
And now you know why the US don't build these sorts of projects. The financials simply don't justify the initial expenses.
@@CoffeeAndPaul - 100%. It takes 36 million passengers a year for a high speed rail to make sense, financially. ONLY the Boston, New York, Philly, Baltimore, to Washington DC route would qualify in the US.
It’s because the way the system was built. The Chinese decided to build to all cities because they thought it would be cool, and they use expensive equipment and technology instead of using tech that would actually fit their needs
@@dennissvitak5475 there’s more routes where it works. A private company is building one between Los Angeles and Las Vegas
Main cause: corruption
ccp doesn't seem to believe in market research and planning services accordingly
Exactly. Why do they think Japan, France, Spain, Italy, and Germany were able to make it work perfectly? They built HSR *where it’s needed*
CN built to increase numbers to brag ablut, not to last. Repeatly they value flashy shiny new things not things built to last while balancing cost and demand. Estimated 2 trillion empty tofu homes yet they still proclaim 5% growth.
They only wanna boast that we can do it too and better than others even though it was just a fake. Doesn't care if it costs a lot of money to build, it ain't theirs, it's the citizens, just don't wanna lose face. Still living inside a well. Everything is fake in China!.🤣🤣🤣
Communist doesnt understand Capitalism.
Too stupid.
This is crazy, i remember vids from Chinese new year several years ago and it was SO different
It is still crowded, this is fake news. Got to use more common sense when watching this type of videos. The rail system in China is packed now.
That reminds me of covid in London, UK, when only emergency personnel were allowed to use public transport, so almost nobody could ride the trains, but they kept on running anyway. You'd see them pull into suburban stations, empty carriages, empty platforms. They were ghost trains. I half-expected to see grinning skeletons driving them. After dark they'd be all lit up and deserted. You could hear them clattering along between the streets and houses, taking nobody anywhere. Sometimes I felt like an actor in a dystopian movie. Strange times...
Ah that’s scary. I wonder if any photographers took shots of that scene. A picture says a thousand words and that picture would be phenomenal.
UK sounds dystopian
London has Fallen!
Why did they bother to run empty trains?
@soco13466 job security
So the problem is the expensive high speed rail ticket price, not that migrant workers are not going home for Chinese New Year.
The price, in a market economy, would go down to meet the demand. They cannot afford not to make money, even if it is much less than anticipated.
I think it's both. But it would seem to make sense to slash the price of tickets and fill the trains rather than run them empty. But, I guess that's China...
Travel once in Indian railways, and you will fall in love with trains of your country.
Communist madness
Indeed
I don’t understand the basic question of economics here. If the high-speed train is empty, then it is running at a loss, right? Its competitor, the green train, is running at over capacity. Who gets the money? Are they state owned entities? How can they continue to run without turning a profit? Won’t they go bankrupt? There are so many questions, and so few answers.
Every single high-speed train line in China is managed by State -owned companies. This means ChiComms have to be brought into the loop when operators think about changes to things like fares, schedules, hiring, firing, etc.
ChiComms are not what you'd call the World's fastest decision makers so it's no surprise ticket prices aren't going to match demand for a few Months.
State ownership means these can operate with losses, with the justification in Beijing being these are public resources. That's not what they are, of course. What they are are flashy advertisements for China on wheels.
If you'd watch more of this channel's videos, you will get the answers. I am not a friend of the uploader, by the way. 😙
State owned enterprise. First time on planet Earth?
Last I heard, only the Beijing-to-Shanghai HST route is making a profit which is used to subsidize those routes losing money. The high-speed rail system is, for all intents and purposes, bankrupt. The central government is just absorbing the huge losses through massive subsidies rather than close down unprofitable routes.
Communists are too stupid to understand basic economics.
The scenes on the old sleeper trains remind me of scenes from 20 years ago. Back then the high speed lines or PDLs were dunned "the white collar railways," it seems that statement holds true still.
When government builds projects the return on investment can be an absolute disaster. That's NOT good economics.
Yeah - it's called the Belt & Road ripoff...
Last month (December) I regularly took the Kunshan to Shanghai bullet train - almost nobody in second class every time I went.
I had to book 3 days in advance for my Hangzhou to Beijing high-speed journey. The second class was fully booked. So it depends on the day of travel and destinations. Some in high demand while some not so. Just like anywhere else. Nothing unusual.
@@kamsunleong6648 If you're talking busy routes like Shanghai-Beijing, Beijing-Zhengzhou-Wuhan-Guangzhou, then tickets are still hard to get during the New Year's travel season.
He's just happy with all the free pillows he can pinch
If its more expensive than a plane ticket, people will choose the plane.
Those are costly too apparently
Very few Chinese can afford either.
China is a time machine :
today, 2025, is minus twenty years ... on its way to mao era.
The future is for the rich communists, not the lumpen prolitariat.
They wasted money for unwanted things
how does a country of 1.4 billion people complain about crowding AND emptiness?
$329 for a ticket is 3 years of income for 99% of the population
Welcome to communism, baby. Situations like this were normal in the Soviet Union.
@@CoffeeAndPaulthe ussr had 290 million and was was bigger (there is alot of land not in permafrost) there was space.
thats why im wondering. china is cramped and complain about emptiness. even india wants some space
@@georgeacun3619 straight propaganda 😂😂😂
@@Placefriday Not. Foreigners in China are paid better than the locals. And foreigners don't earn as much as they would in their native countries. Only those connected to the CCP or those who are really opportunistic will amass a fortune equal to those of other countries. Most people are just getting by.
Instead of phasing out the green trains, they should expand the system and integrate it tighter to the high speed rail network, like in Japan.
It’s like a 50/50,you either get too much room or too little,nothing else
Here in Brazil we call it 8 or 80
The train is as empty as the bank accounts of those who paid for a ticket on it
Monopoly of essential services always leads to looting of common people,,i traveled china in 2018,, and travelled by bullet train from Guangzhou to Shenzhen, which costed 78 yuan,, for 140 kilometres,there was only one single regular train in a day which had 32 yuan train fare,, then I travelled by k528 regular green train from Guangzhou to wuxi which costed 220 yuan for 1300 kilometres,,in India our trains are far cheaper and you can travel on a sleeper class from Mumbai to Delhi less than Hard seat of china,,
The conclusion is that Chinese government is looting it's own people for mismanagement of its own who invested unnecessarily in bullet trains without checking it's viability
5:30 I'm sorry?... You though communism is meant for the common man? No... It is meant from the common man to the party!
Its only a party with the party
What?
The people don't own the party,The party owns the people,
Subscribe more to the fake news, that's life in the West.
Those Green Tains are First Class compared to when I crossed China 3X back in 1990. Back then, the carriages were way worse. I remember taking the train from Lanzhou to Urumqi and booking the "HARD SEAT". You want misery, you needed to try that. It was in human and what an eye opener. That scared me for life. Lol.
lol, from a VOA article on early ‘24.
_A Shanghai resident who for privacy reasons only gave her surname Ms. Shi, takes the high-speed train to and from Hangzhou for work every week. She tells VOA that white-collar workers like herself who commute weekly can afford the high-speed rail._
_She notes that most passengers who take the high-speed rail daily are business travelers who are reimbursed by companies or government agencies for the cost._
Happy new years to the Chinese people be safe
This what happens when a society is ran on opinion rather than supply and demand
How does a powerhouse like China have a minimum wage of $300 per month? How does one live off of that? That is just straight-out cruelty and inhumane. 😡
Imagine the motorcycle breaking down in the mountains somewhere
In australia it costs 50c to take the bus or train, they are usually pretty empty too
Great report, thanks.
1:33 This 2'400 Yuan are only 316 €. This is in Federal Republic of Germany a travel about ~1000 km from Flensburg to Munich in the first class. But if I order the ticket just six month before I pay only 50 €. How far away these both cities and how long time do you travel?
I think those people in the green trains are all friendly. I see a lot of good and tolerant people understanding and sharing each others situation.
Try walking through them to get to the bathroom now. Whoops....there goes your propaganda! LOL
In 2004 when I was there it was n't odd to see very little people on the high-speed train. I took the green train just for the experience and it was packed. I went to a hotel with my wife to visit some of her friends as we were gathering and rented a room. It was - 23 c and snow. Two of her friends showed up on motorbikes. As a Canadian my first thing I asked , did you guys come on snowmobiles LMAO. Their bikes had studs in the tires. I wouldn't be so critical of everyone riding motorcycles. Bad weather or good it can still be a blast.
Saving about 100 bucks (that you don't have) on a cheaper ride
China is running High speed rail in different corridors.
But some corridor faces huge loss 😅. Because of the high price .
Chinese bullet train is in loss 😢
The high speed rail is for fast troop movement in case of uprisings and for the elites not peasants .
Bingo.
The pervasive use of beauty filters by chinese bloggers is so jarring. It always weirds me out.
Very interesting. Thanks for the video.
What?
Very convenient to ride alone. Very nice as if you own the train! 😮
when you are unemployed... every day is a holiday! Go home anytime or they have already gone home.
It's not a holiday If you can't afford to eat.
Chinese New Year 2025, also known as the Spring Festival, is set to begin on January 29, 2025
The green train is empty by Indian Standard.
😂 Waiting for racist replies
In 2008 I saw far more people on the trains from Shanghai to Wuhan and from Wuhan to Xi'an. I can confirm that even green trains are almost empty.
Train tickets cost as much as some people earn in a month. The people are good old fashioned broke. Now we are going to build high speed rail in Australia, Another waste of money.
We better call debt infrastructure , because no revenue in this , massive debt , it is becoming mess
The speed train's price is 4X higher than the green train. People are trying to save money every way they can. The speed train should reduce down to 2X the price of a green train.
Look a working train NGL I'm jelous 💯🇬🇧❤️
It's a like a level in the backrooms.
You're the only one in there, yet everything is operating by themselves
That's amours that couple unbreakable
There are no height restrictions on this ride.u can't see their heads below the seats.
Thank you buddy
Bro, you telling me that one way ticket costs $300 no way
Well, if that's the case now, i understand why here in the States, we dont have high-speed rail too expensive to build and to maintain
China is a big country. Could be a long distance.
China is so developed and yet there are poor people suffering and here in Bangladesh 🇧🇩 there is no development and suffering is endless for majority 😢
I sympathize, friend, but those high-speed trains you watched in this video & the rail beds those travel over? Both of those things are exactly the OPPOSITE of the sort of infrastructure development you want.
You want to develop infrastructure that's useful for everyone like plumbing, electricity, flood barriers, traffic control, stormwater runoffs, sewage treatment and the like. These trains are not useless but they are close to useless.
The first thing that caught my eye Years ago when I saw these was the fact that noone moves heavy freight over those specific tracks. There's good reasons for this which I'm not going to get into, but the fact is that heavy freight (bulk dry goods, dry & wet chemicals, liquids, durable goods, etc.) pays most of the bills for railroad operators. Cargo keeps the lights on, not passenger trains.
You want rail infrastructure that can move both people AND cargo. This video is a warning, a cautionary tale to not waste your time nor your money on high-speed rail, at least not yet.
@@CoffeeAndPaul High-speed rail is fine, it's just that the prices are priced up too keep the plebs out. Also the system is excellent for moving troops, police, military police, agents and so on around in a very efficient and quick way before any uprisings get out of hand too quickly.
Also the system if used properly is meant to shovel people of mixed rail routes and onto dedicated passenger routes so more industrial trains can shift more goods overtime. Also good for moving things you don't want too many people too see and quickly.
I'm guessing the old trains are safer as well as cheaper.
Yes there were crashes and surviors still in the trains were buldozed under, buried alive to cover up the accidents
It looks like they would lower ticket prices. They have to be losing a lot of money on the high speed trains.
13:00 so what??? I drive 900km and 900 back(passing through 4 countries) 2-3 times a year to see my family and I am not crying. Also I do it in around 10-11h.
Roads are not that good in china and it is commo. To be pulled over by local police- especiallly now that local cops have been extortion gangs to finance local governments and you are a huge target to hit with hundreds of trumped up charges and fines, no such thing as justice in communist china
Huh, they are doing a good old USA tradition. I still remember driving from Austin TX to Ogden UT back in the day. Aah good time.
They call it communisim but it seems really similar to capitlism now days
communism in name only. it's state controlled capitalism. the state control is why it is now failing.
China is basically a giant corporate slave plantation, party members are management, employees, and stockholders. Everyone and everything else is property. Just change Communist heirarchies and dialect for corporate structure and corpspeak.
Nah. Under capitalism the prices would reflect demand
@@saffrynalleyne2292 massive supply misalignment with demand is classic bureaucracy, the opposite of capitalism
@18:08 Tengzhou still has 33 trains a day, just not all of them are going to Beijing 👀
How could riding a motorcycle 3 days, finding a place to sleep each night, charging batteries, etc., cost less than ¥200?
They sleep on the side of the road and the fuel economy is about 100mpg. So 5-6 gallons of fuel.
Why take a train when flying is cheaper?
- America
I'd rather take the train.
You can't see anything at 30,000 feet. 'Getting there' should be half the fun!
during the lunar new year chinese airlines and highspeed trains hike the prices to highheaven and beyond supply/demand , mean while unemployment is rising fast in china....in the end every one is going to cheap out!
@@DavidCooper-bn6te because you're not American
哪来的飞机场
This is incorrect - in America, for long distance travel, airplane travel is more expensive than train, which is more expensive than the bus. We don't have high speed rail except for in the northeast. So, regular Amtrak trains, the equivalent of "green trains", with rooms and roomettes available, are the only rail option for most travelers here. People prefer airplanes because they get you there much faster than the other options. People prefer driving over trains because the road system is more developed than the rail system, and you'll require a car at any non-urban destinations, so driving your own car is cheaper than driving to the train station, paying to park your car (or worrying about it the whole time you're gone), paying for the train ticket, and then renting a car at your destination.
America 1st ..... maga baby maga 👍
Are people vanishing or locked up. Where are the people something wrong
CNY will be celebrated if he was ousted - random Chinese people😊
seems suss.... how does the high train get financed if none ride them? arnt they kinda, forced to lower price. i know its not a free market like in capitalist countries, but wtf.
They pack the cheaper "green" trains and charge a bit more.
0:01 - 1:00 both of you were VIP Very Independent Passenger..
Same thing will happen in India as well if the central government keeps on launching Vande Bharat trains instead of normal trains.
3:07 what is that filter?
I wonder that the highspeed training ticket price is not mentioned. I hope they might have strick rules for TH-camrs. But I can imagine the price could cost more than riding bicycles 4 days. That's why people choose to ride bicycles which means much much cheaper
The people that this guy fired can't afford it.
God bless the Chinese.
An empty train is running at a much greater loss than a full train with lowered ticket prices. For CNY, the train companies should just have a special discount to make travel more affordable and that high-speed rail infrastructure gets to be utilized. 500 million passengers paying 800 yuan each is still 400 billion yuan worth of revenue waiting to be earned.
They the CCP should have opened the high speed rail to everyone. Opened to all and at the green train price's. They need everyone to ride the high speed train to make it worth the cost of building it. It's a bit silly even at a quarter of the price it's better than a empty train making the same journey. They should open the HSR to all. Chinese people's taxes paid for it it's they're bloody train ffs. A quarter of the price is better than a empty train making zero dollars that's silly lol.
You should have been paying attention to the business activity lowering over the span of time. It does not just change one sunrise. Pay attention to details, trends. Data Analytics, what is that? Age of information, what is that ?
No one can afford high speed rail tickets.
All Chineses went to Russia, left no one in town
At least they didn't cancelled the train for that one person. I love China.
At least they have HSR…
That’s it…
Bankruptcy 😌😌😌😌😌 again
Used to take the slower train in Korea because I was only going a short distance and the HSR didn’t stop in the smaller town.
And yeah, people aren’t allowed to stand in the aisle like that, lol.
Yikes!
Is Chinese New Year. The rush is over.
Repeat of the same info 3 to 4xs
Most of the problem are because of money.
Taiwan HSR is far better
And there's still someone keep saying online😅on he's comment that many people go home on lunar new year today in their own country, but in contrary it's not.
Dude is living the dream!
I think it's just as pointless to travel home for the holidays on motorcycle if you rely on your vehicles miles to keep you working, it's like your going to repeat the process on a wasteful ritual back and forth, your better off working out the long term math or variables and just staying put, so long as they keep in touch they can save money for other survival scenarios, the class warfare and backwardness of building infrastructure projects that are not meant for the general public is quite draconian and dystopian for a top economy country like China.
what r they talking about, don't they know that majority of people went home 2 weeks ago. that when they have the travel rush, they all went home already. cause there's no work/job left, the whole country is in recession. don't these vloggers know what's going on? open ur eyes...tell ur leaders to step down.
Very Sad they are forced to travel by bike due to not sufficient fund.
Lies! He just reserved the whole train for himself! 🤣☠️
2400 yuan is a lot of money for a train ride
EV car going home anyone???
Yet more proof of how "rich" the Chinese truly are. LOL #EpicFailNation
Expensive and dangerous? No wonder not may people are willing to spend money for it... the green train actually makes more sense if you think about it. A little bit of extra time is not really that bad in comparison.
The only problem is they oversold it... you can tell its a government run business... no initiative to make money at all. The would rathe pack people in then get more trains running where the could make more profit.
the obvious solution society wide is...maybe don't all do the SAME THING at the SAME TIME. this is the modern world, not a world where everyone lives in the same village or at most one or two away and are the odd ones out..
to help the government could make different holidays for family reunion and people could pick which ones their families usually go to..(or rotate on different years since it's not like one can go to all their families here on thanks giving, they have to make choices..maybe just go on christmas...or have a reunion sometime in the summer and take some vacation days off for that.
Tingaling aling ting tong
High speed trains are expensive? But they are time bombs waiting for disasters! 😨 Take slower ones for your lives. 😇
Because logic is not a commies attribute.
so saving money is more important than your life? oof.
Delusional Dreams, the CCP way .