Best Low Cost 12 bit Oscilloscopes under $500 Rigol DHO804 is it better than the Siglent SDS804x
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- In this video 'Best Low Cost 12 bit Oscilloscopes under $500 Rigol DHO804 vs Siglent SDS804x' I will demonstrate features of the Rigol DHO814 12 bit Oscilloscope
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No better way to start the new year than with some oscilloscope recommendations - here's to hoping it's a good one pals!
Thanks so much! I appreciate your generosity!!
I just saw a 24" touch screen with a boom arm to mount to a bench on fb market place and was thinking about getting it. Would really compliment the Rigol if it all worked together.
I haven't seen you this excited in a long time. I bought the Rigol a good while back, and I couldn't agree with you more. This Old Country Engineer wishes you and yours an outstanding new year.
Thanks - it is a great scope! Too bad I have to send it back;)
These 12 bit scopes are getting so good. I can't wait for for the next generation at $750 with 4 channels and 200 meg. Thanks so much. Fantastic video.🎉
It's amazing how much bang for the buck we are getting - I hope it keeps going!
Thank you very much for an honest review, it's really helpful!
Thank you for your great feedback!
A good review of an excellent scope. I bought the DHO-814 a month ago and am so very happy and impressed. (I "upgraded" from a Pico DHO-2206B MSO...and got it for almost 50% less money!)
Thanks for your feedback. The guy I worked with got an early release sale as well. It is amazing that it replaces the Pico - even though that is an entry level Pico - the software is so nice.
Would not trade the Pico 2206B FFT for any other entry level scope.
I bought a Pico 2206B as an addition to G W Instek MDO2204eg because of the better FFT functionality (log freq. scale + no. of decades etc. with Pico 7 software). Better for checking filter response, hi & lopass, 31 band, parametric, THD, SInad, etc. in pro gear.
Eddie and a bunch of other ytubers [ and I might add, spec'd by GW, too ] insist GW MDO 2000 series are 8 bit; however, nobody bothers to ACTUALLY MEASURE the ADC of MDO2204 --- it is 12 bit !!! GW calls it an 8bit scope for two reasons: A, the SFDR is only 55dB B, there is no fine vertical adjust. Both problems can be worked around with cheap external DIY input stages to 20MHz; < $100.
Eddie,
I noticed your GW2204 disappeared a few months ago... ??? That beauty IS/was the most powerful scope on your bench for audio. Ya didn't even need an external dual DDS to make distortion measurements below -130dBc. CRAZY good with the spectrum analyzer... IF stages and tuners in receivers.
Also, Digilent Analog Discovery 3 / variants are 14bit with quite good software available that does things no other scope under $10k can touch (audio).
ie waterfall plots and much much more
...and yeah, Pico 7 software is A++
Hi Eddie, this was exceptionally great video. Thank you for the excellent information.🧐👍
Thanks so much! I hope it helps you make a great decision!
@ How could it not help me with such great advice you gave me.
Thank you!
The greatest thing about this DHO800 series (and previous Rigols too BTW) is you can get DHO804 on a sale for about $300 and then "upgrade" it for free by activating options. Mine now has 50M memory, 250MHz bandwidth and CAN triggering.
Of course, if you have a business you won't do stuff like that (and I don't encourage you), but for a hobbyist this is such a great way to get a better instrument on a budget.
Thanks for this great feedback!! So, CAN is added as well?
I would think that once a private individual purchases an item - they can do what they want with it. But of course, if you have a business and want to get it calibrated one day - the cal service would probably set it back to the functions that match the part number. I don't see a problem with a private party doing what they want - but I don't know if we on YT should show how to do it. Maybe it is OK...I'll have to ask Rigol how they feel about me doing this.
@@KissAnalog Yes, CAN is added as a part of "Automotive protocols" option. You can check the whole list of available options in the thread on EEVblog forum.
Wow - that's great!
What great video and yes I really like the Rigol and that is on my to buy list !
Excellent Information
Thank you very much!
Thank you for your feedback! I appreciate you!
Great review Eddy.
Thanks so much!!
I just picked one of these up as a Merry Christmas to me and up’d it to the DHO824! Perfect for my needs! Anyone else pickup on the irony of the “Small Sparrow” logo on the main board of a MiC product???
That's great! I see the sale is off. Maybe they will put them back on sale again... What's the story of the sparrow?
@ Not sure if YT will delete it if I explain. Search for “Smash Sparrow Campaign”. It’s real whacky.
@@KissAnalog Hey dude, are you deleting my replies?
Thanks for asking - no I don't delete comments. I have only done this a few times in the years that I have been doing this on YT. Usually bots or one or two people that others asked me to delete.
Great overview. Could you comment on the fan noise?
I was hoping, especially considering how many audio amplifier videos that you do, you would have tested the 914S/924S with bode plot function and compare to Keysight EDU1052G for example.
I could've sworn you suggested this rank before. Still good video.
**EDIT**: Ok this is an update video. Good video.
Thanks! LOL - The other one I just did was for scopes under $400. I thought that was the range of a full featured deep memory scope. But just a bit higher in the ~$500 range there are these great 12 bit scopes.
Muy buen video Colega, es un excelente equipo. Lo quiero comprar para mis estudios de ingeniería electrónica
Thanks for your feedback! I think it would be a great tool for you;)
Great video, thanks.
Lots of nice features which I really like and the display menus look quite well presented. It's handy you can lay this thing flat on the bench when videoing; I wonder how robust the stand is when your pressing the top of the touch screen with it stood upright? The VESA mounting would be ideal, but how does that impact the ventilation?
Not a big fan of touchscreens, personally I prefer more physical buttons and dials. Touchscreens get dirty, are temperamental to use and often your finger is bigger than the button icon you're trying to select. A touchscreen scope with a pop out stylus (much like Samsung phones) would be a nice touch I think.
Never use the keylock by the way. I expect its more used in teaching and certain industry environments, but this product is surely aimed at the home enthusiast market?
Thanks so much for your feedback! Yes - I really do like the form factor.
The feet are much more stable than the earlier ones that are in front. I find those always popping back when I pull the scope forward. The feet in the rear don't do that and they don't fold back when pushing at the top. You will push the scope over (which you would have to do on purpose) before the feet collapse. But then once laying on its back - then you can push down and the feet will collapse:)
I'm not a huge fan of touch screens either for all your reasons - especially when the screen is only 7", but so many others like this. They do work well - but when my lab is cold and my big fingers are trying to hit a small spot - it can be tricky - but with some care I was able to get it done;)
I think these are made as robust as any other scope. So I can see schools - small businesses - and even labs at big companies that want to save money buying these.
Nice video, thanks👍
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. Does UNI-T make a competitive scope in this price range? I like the UNI-T scope in your $400 scope comparison video.
Great question! They are coming out with one;) Not sure if I was supposed to say;))
The Siglent SDS804x HD is an excellent oscilloscope that I highly recommend!
Thanks for your feedback! Great to hear. I'm very curious - have you used a Siglent before - specifically the FFT? How is this one improved? From the manual - it looks very much the same.f
BTW, if you watch my videos where I show the FFT on the Siglent (the -X not the more budget friendly -XE). My Siglent has the 8" screen and I have also used the -XE with the 7" screen. The FFT operation takes some patience to get set up right. And there is a flaw in the firmware. The measurements do not change when I change my option from x10 to x1 probe. It only works correctly with the option and probe set to x1 (if I remember right). Siglent says that they don't support it anymore - because they replaced it with the -XE. I'm curious if the problem exist with the -XE? The multi-function knob is a pain (way too sensitive at times).
I haven’t used Siglent before, but the FFT on the SDS8000 is offering 2 Mpts compared to Rigol’s 1 Mpts. However, the Siglent lacks the waterfall viewing option. On the upside, it can highlight up to 10 prominent peaks in the FFT and display them in a table.
Yes the FFT on the Rigol is far improved. I did notice the 2 Mpts on the Siglent - but I don't know if this is actually useful at these frequency bands. I always thought 1 Mpts was awesome - but so many times I drop this down to get the right set up (BW vs samples). What do you think - has the 2 Mpts shown value?
Screen looks too glossy on the new Rigol. Personally, I wish they would address that, and also, if they could build a 12 bit version of the 4 channel MSO series scopes that would be cool. I like individual knobs for each channel.
LOL Rigol vs Siglent SDS 804X HD but you only have a 10 year old Siglent SDS 1202X (not even X-E) on hand. The actual 804X HD is obviously way beyond the Rigol, and you know that.
@ssspotsss Why do you think the 804X is beyond the Rigol? Interesting - In what way?
Yes the X-E is old too - and the cases are still the same.
For one, you start your video talking about the importance of deep memory and sample rate. The Siglent easily beats the Rigol with that, especially after the trivial “upgrade”! Then you mention the Rigol discount, which obviously is because Rigol knows that they have a problem. But it turns out you don’t have the Siglent you mention in the title of the video. The Rigol is a very nice oscilloscope, don’t get me wrong, but instead of a comparison, you are just promoting it, and then Rigol even doesn’t let you keep it.
The Siglent SDS800x HD is a very pleasant oscilloscope to work with, offering many features and feeling very reliable. After watching numerous videos about Siglent and Rigol scopes, I’m happy with my decision to purchase the Siglent. In my opinion, it is indeed a better choice than the Rigol, both in terms of software and hardware.
@@Rick-hq5yg Agree. I've had both. Siglent 804x is a marked improvement over Rigol particularly in the interface. No longer feel like I'm using a interface from 1999
@ssspotsss Yes the Siglent has more memory as I said, but the Rigol still has 5M with 4 channels, so if you use all 4 channels - it is still good. The Keysight has 2M and costs 3x more. So, I think this is still great.
The Rigol form factor and brand new interface is very nice and polished.
The Rigol has a Waterfall function on the FFT and has SA type setup. This is amazing - especially in this price category.
I also like the USB C power - the extra isolation is much appreciated.
OK, so where does the Siglent match or beat the Rigol in any area - other than memory? As I said, it seems like the Siglent was a - hey lets' put 12 bit front end in our old scope - revamp (a little) the interface - and change the case to black plastic so we can keep up with Rigol. That's just how it feels to me - and maybe I am wrong.
I'd love to hear from those with a Siglent to tell us the new features that it has over the old X-E (which I don't like as much as my older X - although I found a problem with the FFT that Siglent will not address)
You are right - I have to return the Rigol - so it doesn't help me to support them over Siglent. I probably wont take another loaner as it is a pain to ship back and to keep the box around (where I don't have space). And then there's the stress of damaging it - as I can't afford to replace it.
I try to be honest in all my reviews and I admit there is always human bias - even though we try to be neutral.
Wonder if you could use a touch screen monitor with this unit and be able to control all those functions from it?
That's a great question! I have to return it so I won't have time to test that
Rigol is capable, yes. Dave from eevblog has short video about external monitor with touchscreen for DHO814
@whyMDO Awesome thank you! 😊
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Thank you! Very cool!
Im waiting my rigol dho804, coming i 2 days, i cant wait.
Do u have a new firmware on this one, just for info ? I want to know are somme of bugs are fixed or still not
Wow - sounds fun! I think there has been a number of updates since it came out - which is great to see a MFG support a new release like this. I think the latest release was back in November. I didn't update the one I showed here as it isn't mine and I need to return it, so I didn't want to mess with the firmware. I didn't see any problem - so maybe I just didn't use it enough. I'd love o have had time to use it - but when it is a loaner - I want to be careful so I don't end up having to buy it;)
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Thanks!!
In the spirit of keeping it real, lose “Siglent” from the title🤙 Please refrain from the infernal promotional/clickbait-type feces-antics that are part of the race to the bottom.
Otherwise, rad video, I appreciated the time it took to put it together 🤙🤙
Thanks for your feedback! But I am comparing it to the Siglent, so is it better than the Siglent? My pix all look to similar - I haven't jumped on the click bait titles/pix - but maybe I should?? Others using those antics have shot up fast - while I am growing slow and steady.
Terrific! 12-bits is the way to go! So affordable! At Saelig, our customers find it hard to choose!
I think it is a tough choice - I do like them both!
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Thank you!
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Thanks for asking. Check the gear below and see if you can find hindi in the auto translate.
@@KissAnalog auto translet not option in hindi to be option give thanks
Thanks for letting me know. I find hindi a difficult language to have translated on YT. I am part of a new auto translator - but I guess they haven't added that language yet - even though it must be spoken by a large population. It is a good thing you know english so well;)
bad promotional film, you know that the universal 1:1 oscilloscope Rigol went through the trash. And so these are stories about nothing
I have no idea what points you are making here?
Universal 1:1??
Stories about nothing...??
'bad promotional film'??
I hope me spending time showing the operation and features helps those who are looking for a new Oscilloscope.
Pitiful and you properly earned a thumbs down !
You compare the Rigol against the new Siglent and make PRESUMPTIONS about its UI which are totally wrong !
The SDS800X HD range use the same UI as in their top line DSO's albeit without some of their advanced features.
Base models offer 50 Mpts and 2 GSa/s shared by all channels whereas the 200 MHz SDS824X HD offers 100 Mpts.
Do your homework man !
Let's talk pitiful;) You came unarmed - and it is so obvious. So I will leave this comment up so all can see it;)
First - I asked anyone that can - to provide pix of the UI of Siglent since I don't have the new model. But, I have had 2 of their older models - which they don't support anymore.
Sorry you were so triggered. It is too bad you couldn't share pictures of the awesome UI - that I asked for people to provide - since I did not have a Siglent to look at. I did say that I looked at all the pictures and manuals but couldn't see too much different than the Siglent that I have. Oh - this is called homework;)
What presumptions are you talking about???
So you say the 800 series Siglent has the same UI as their top DSO's - are you serious!!!! Have you even used a top line Siglent??? Show us pix - why can't you do that???
Do your homework on the Rigol - please - before you show how little you know. The base model Rigol as 312 Msa/s not 100 Mpts (where did you get pts from??)
Learn specs before you challenge me!!! I feel bad for people like you that get so triggered and respond so poorly. I'll take your thumbs down and give you 2;)
@@KissAnalog I have used all Siglent DSO models, we are NZ distributor. I have little interest in Rigol despite them having offered us NZ dealership.
I have issue with you comparing 2 models when you don't even have both. I stand by the comments previously made.
Much info can be found on the 4 official Siglent websites, HQ Shenzhen Japan, USA and EU in Germany.
I'll take a Rigol over Siglent any model any day.
Watch Dave Jones teardown video of each..
@tautech8196 Ok, that explains your response. I thought it sounded like that comment came from someone that has a vested interest. I don't. If someone were to use my affiliate links - I'd get the same benefit regardless of the brand that they purchased.
As I have repeatedly said - I have looked at the available documentation - and I just don't see the screenshots or verbiage to fill in the blanks. As I asked you and as I asked in the video - please provide any screenshots or information about the Siglent that might help others make an educated decision. As a distributor, I'm surprised that you don't have anything to offer in this regards.
Did Siglent redesign their housing? No, it looks very much like the one in my video, or more precisely the -E version. Rigol designed from ground up a new housing that takes very little bench space. The power input was also changed to offer USB C power - so now has isolation from the AC power. That is big - as is the smaller nicer housing.
Does Siglent offer multiple screens at the same time?
Does Siglent offer a waterfall or other ways to show the waveform?
I could go on - but I doubt you will provide any additional information. Even though I am providing a stage to tell us the features that Siglent offers that I didn't know about.
@clems6989 Sorry I couldn't do the teardown as my Rigol is a loaner. Dave's bigger channel allows him to get free scopes from all these scope mfgs. He does a great job as well.