@@criticcreature2121 that isnin the 80s shows She-ra: Princess of power and He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. We do not know if that is still the cast in this reboot.
Can we talk about how Bow is planning on showing an ethereal queen and a literal magical sorcerer a deck of cards and presenting it as a "magic trick"?
And now for my obligatory quote from the episode comment. *ahem* “You must be Glimmer’s mother. I can tell from the way your voice grows shrill when you yell.”
"This is Catra's way of saving Scorpia" THANK YOU. People keep using Catra's "are you stupid, I said leave" out of context to call her a bad person, when she literally saved Scorpia to not go down with her to execution.
The degree to which people take Catra out of context to call her a bad person is just nuts sometimes, honestly, even taking what happens later into account. I wish it frustrated me less, but here we are.
@@ramywiles EXACTLY. Yes, Catra made bad-hell, AWFUL choices-with major consequences, but the root of it all wasn’t pure evil. It was pain, a desire to prove herself, fear of getting hurt, survival, abusive upbringing, to make Adora feel the pain she feels, and suffering from others’ mistakes or choices. None of Catra’s motives are from the ‘I’m so bad and evil muahahahaha’. She just wants to feel important, respected, loved, and in control. And she’s had to fight for all of that, just going about it the wrong ways. True, many of her actions mirror how Shadow Weaver treated her (manipulation) but as Montana has stated many times before, it’s the cycle of abuse. People who look at Catra’s actions from the surface and are like ‘She’s bad! I hate her! She’s irredeemable!’ Just don’t understand her character and story at all. And that’s a shame, because she is such an interesting and complex character who comes with compelling arcs.
Catra finally standing up to Hordak (even though it was kind of pointless in the end) was so great because she didn't say a single lie. While Hordak was doing experiments in his lab Catra was leading the entire Horde and all of their advances were made thanks to Catra. If it weren't for her, the Horde would have been defeated by the Rebellion as soon as Adora had defected.
I mean, Shadoweaver was genuine almost all the way through in this episode. She tried manipulating early on but Adora didn't fall for that. From the point where she said she was dying she was only speaking the truth.
I have to give it to Aimee for her voice acting this episode. “Don’t I get a say in this? Don’t I get a choice?” Like, ow. Like Aimee has been good up until this point, and had some real fun deliveries (2x07) (1x06), but this is the first episode I was like… oh. I felt that. And yeah, Montana is right. We saw it with Catra a couple episodes ago. SW still knows how to get under these girls’ skins. Using Adora’s kindness and Catra’s validation seeking, it’s child’s play for someone like SW. Small detail that didn’t get too much attention, but I love that Angela has basically adopted Adora at this point and is super protective. When she told SW that she’d put Adora through enough and therefore would not let SW see her… I got all warm inside. And yes, Catra calling out Hordak was a moment and I love it. She’s got nothing left to lose why bother begging, you know? Truly, a queen. A self destructive queen. But a queen nonetheless.
"Don’t I get a choice?" - oh, yes that hit me hard. She is amazing voice actress. Her comedic timing uplifted many lines. But if we going with the heavy stuff, than her quiet "No, it will work..." also deserves some praise.
@@somestuff7876 agreed the "No, it'll work" is so underrated and so good :'( while we're listing favorite Aimee Carrero lines, can I also add (spoilers): "I didn't make you pull the switch. I didn't make you do _anything_ ! I didn't break the world, but I am going to fix it. And you? You made your choice. NOW LIVE WITH IT!" also, the really quiet "She-Ra's gone" in the S4 finale :( and "you miscalculated," which has of course become a meme thanks to the ATLA reference, but like the line delivery was also badass in itself hahah
@@axolotl3158YES to all of it! I especially love how she started her speech (almost inward at herself) and where and HOW it ended. Such a rollercoaster of emotions. I love how, in general, animators on this show noticed slight changes in intonations alot of times with conflicted emotions and reflect it in character expressions. So many lines stuck with me. Adora would be an interesting character even if she wasn't a main one thanks to Aimee unique delivery. p.s. I wasn't familiar with the cast of this show, didn't know how any of them looked irl. And so the first interview I watched broke my brain. I didn't expect that voice to came out of the actress that could easily play life action version of Catra. They look like they swapped bodies or something)
It's less cool knowing that the only reason she said that was because she had nothing left to lose; Catra would've never dared to speak to Hordak like that if she wasn't literally about to be killed by him. Her lips were trembling as she mustered up the courage to come out and say it. A lot of people seem to underestimate the capabilities of Hordak, partially because we only see what he's been doing in the modern day, which is but a tiny fraction of his conquering life on just Etheria, let alone the rest of the universe before that. People don't seem to grasp that it was Hordak who crushed the first Princess Alliance (including Queen Angella and King Micah), which was arguably stronger than the current Princess Alliance (minus She-Ra of course), and from then until Season 2, the only thing that had been preventing his complete conquest of Etheria was the vast Whispering Woods blocking his forces from marching on Bright Moon. And that's not even taking into account the fact that Hordak has (SPOILERS) literally conquered and enslaved entire *_galaxies_* back when he was second-in-command of the Galactic Horde Empire. In comparison to Hordak's, Catra's accomplishments are rather minuscule. And it's not like Catra has ever been able to truly defeat that "group of teenagers" either. Imagine it from Hordak's perspective: going from the second-in-command of the most powerful space-faring empire in the history of the universe, to being stranded on a primitive planet with only the remains of his crashed warship to work with, and despite all that still managing to single-handedly use nothing but those scraps and his own ingenuity to build a globe-spanning empire, manipulating the natives into serving him and training them to become an army that would help him successfully conquer most of the planet, AND THEN, some ungrateful cat-girl whom you personally pulled up from nothing, shielded her from the unfair treatment of her commanding officer, showed favour towards her over said officer on MULTIPLE occasions, rewarded her with the position of most power besides his own, decides to then talk back to you while you were punishing her for failures that were ENTIRELY her fault. Anyone would be mad in his position. No, Hordak does not _"need"_ Catra in order to beat the heroes, he never did. Nor does he need Entrapta in the long run - Catra said as much herself in Season 4. The reason he couldn't get his portal machine to work in the beginning wasn't because of any fault in the scientific theory on his part, it was simply that in all his work on the rest of the device, he overlooked the fact that the cables from his wrecked ship had become uninsulated and therefore couldn't hold the charge. Eventually, he would've found the fault and continued as normal. While Hordak may have been doing experiments for most of the series rather than commanding the Horde directly in battle, those experiments are ultimately the bigger picture in this war rather than the actual fighting. And Hordak has literally been commanding the Horde in battle for _decades_ before Catra was even born, and as a result, the vast majority of the Horde's advances were made by him. Can you blame him for leaving the military operations to servants such as Shadow Weaver and Catra to focus on his "true plans" (as Shadow Weaver said) after years of being probably the single greatest warlord in the history of the universe besides Horde Prime himself? So essentially, there were indeed quite a few lies in Catra's "little speech", as Hordak put it.
I watched s3 and still stand by that statement so djfjfj. She was reaching her true breaking point. But still, she did it all out of her rage of abandonment towards her love that she constantly was rejected by others. All that said, she wasn’t a good person, but she wasn’t being a villain either. She did out of her trauma rather than truly wanting to *just* see others suffer. A villain that got a redemption arc was Hordak. He genuinely never cared until later. Whereas Catra always cared too much.
Catra's resentment for Entrapta grows, if you look closely. Entrapta "saved her" from Beast Island, BUT only to send her to ANOTHER death trap. In Catra's mind, Entrapta is only using her to get what she wants (tech) while basking into Hordak's favoritism, a favoritism Catra FOUGHT HARD to gain. Remember what she told Adora? "You never protected me! Not in a way that would get you into Shadow Weaver's bad side!" And that Adora used her. This is history repeating itself, Entrapta "protects her" without getting into Hordak's bad side while Catra is again the whipped child. The abuser simply has changed from Shadow Weaver to Hordak and Adora has changed to Entrapta. Without Entrapta intending any of it of course.
absolutely!! thank you for saying this because this parallel is such an important part of seasons 2 and 3, giving an explanation for the Hordeside events in the rest of this season and the whole of NEXT season (with Entrapta in s4 instead being the Adora to Hordak's *Catra* while the real Catra is infuriated by how much he reminds her of herself), yet it gets largely ignored in discussions of Catra's processing of her abuse and her really unhealthy relationships to Entrapta and Hordak. And yet, like how Catra eventually got tired of Shadow Weaver and was able to usurp her..... Hordak has just shown that he is able to genuinely be influenced by Entrapta. Even though she had an outburst that embarrassed him greatly, he didn't give Catra the super hard punishment in front of all his troops, like he should have done if he wanted to keep control. He instead caved to Entrapta's idea, putting some control over HIM in her hands. And Catra really, really wants that control. [season 4 comments] Just like Shadow Weaver was responsible for creating the monster of her own downfall, Hordak is responsible for creating his. But Catra cannot sustain that power theft. She cannot keep the power Entrapta had, because they are based on completely opposite foundations - friendship vs fear - and Catra loses what power she already had over what she does to Entrapta, and the person she becomes in season 4. Entrapta's been there for like 1 year but has basically destroyed the Horde from the inside and hasn't realised it yet. It's a timebomb, and nobody can defuse it. She did so purely through making connections to others. It's incredible.
I love protective Angella so much!! It's so sweet how much her relationship with Adora has grown since Season 1, where she was (rightfully) wary of her, compared to now ;-;
Maaaan, back when this season dropped I binged it and it was like I had been bodyslammed into concrete. Just me at 3 am, crying over some glittery drawings
I'm glad you guys noticed that Catra was trying to protect Scorpia, i've seen a lot of people pointing this scene out as Catra being mean for no reason, even though it's obvious she's doing it because she cares about Scorpia like Kenny said
Also, literally a few episodes prior, catra did the same thing when SW was in a cell, and it got her "executed" (attempted but still). Like theres no way to interpret that other than shes tryna protect scorpia
Tidbit: the people of Etheria have no concept of stars. When Lighthope referenced them, that comment would have gone over Adora's head. One of the major themes of this story is destiny. Pay attention to how it weighs on Adora and how she reacts to it.
Catra has literally changed my life too much for me to be unbiased in talking about her, but I'm genuinely really grateful to hear you guys talk about her outwardly cruel response to Scorpia as her method of conveying the pain and protectiveness she's really feeling. For a show that is as emotionally deep as She-Ra is, I think some fans can be way too quick to ignore the emotions at play behind the actions they want to critique. Like, this is ultimately Catra telling Scorpia that she's looking out for her and doesn't want her to get hurt, and at this point, we have ample setup for why she does that in a way that sounds like her lashing out. And no, it's not healthy that this is the route she takes! But like... can we trust that that is indeed the point and not a writing oversight?
i think snapping at someone who is literally following you to their death gets a pass. like, girl, shes trying to save you! you are actively putting yourself in danger and she doesnt want that for you!
What's really sad about this is, after that scene, Scorpia starts to see Catra's lashing out as her way of showing love.... because it WAS, that one time, but now, every later instance, she just thinks Catra's being a tsundere, when that's no longer the case. it's not until she's forced to confront that catra has hurt people for her own gain, is willing to destroy and end the lives of those she calls her friends, that scorpia realises enough is enough.
09:23 Most likely she cast the Spell of Obtaining, the one that gives the power boost, but keeps consuming you afterwards. She needed that power to teleport herself out from that prison cell and outside of the Fright Zone. Hint: the same alignment of those celestial bodies as the first time she cast it.
*Original Series Lore Spoilers* I doubt anything I say here will spoil this series as they've already changed a lot. So I have no idea what this show is doing with the lore and where it is going, but Adora being from another world is true to the character's origins. The 'First Ones' was never a thing before to the best of my knowledge, but Adora was stolen by Hordak from the planet Eternia and was prince Adam's (He-Man) twin sister. Fun fact, this also makes her half Earthling as Queen Marlena was originally an astronaut from Earth. I'd be happy to hit you with some more OG fun facts if you guys are interested!
@@miche9611 I assumed so. From what I've seen they've basically taken the original bones, yeeted everything else, and built their own thing on top of that foundation.
@@CandleLight129 IIRC they had the rights to She-Ra but not He-Man, so they couldn't use any characters/backgrounds from the latter. So a lot of the stuff that ties the two shows together was probably unavailable even if they wanted to use it.
I'd never noticed till this viewing but when Shadow Weaver is helping Adora to access her healing powers, she is basically quoting part of "The Litany Against Fear" from Dune. "I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." Shadow Weaver as a Bene Gesserit is absolutely on-brand btw :D
Wow, Kenny's predictions were really on point. From Shadow Weaver saying "I have valuable/vital information about the Horde" to Adora being a First One. Poor Adora though. She had a rough time in this episode. First she has to face her abuser and doesn't seem quite ready for it, then she finds out that she's a First One who was stolen from her home, and then finally Light Hope tells her that it was her destiny to find the sword, which probably makes it seem like the choices she made were meaningless and predestined.
11:08 ...I said this exact same thing to my narcissistic abuser once too. This show perfectly portrays dynamic of such toxic relationship and the journey out of it. With all of the struggles and self-discoveries in between.
One thing I always love about reacts to She-Ra is people's complete confusion on entrapdak and refusing to ship it. You will be a victim to this ship soon enough, too. 👀
Right? Even if people never ship it romantically, eventually everyone loves the duo regardless shdjjd even if they prefer it platonically (pretty sure the creator confirmed it was sort of romantic tho)
After next week, I'm pretty sure they'll understand what the hype is all about. :) Even though I wish they had discovered it for themselves. I was legitametely surprised when it happened.
@@squarefrog7932 real question, do u at least appreciate the duo platonically? Or sort of understand it? It took me personally all the way until end of s4 to really get there with them even if this season sparked my interest on them a little. I definitely ship them, but I have a theory that even people who don’t see them romantically at all, they appreciate their duo as platonic. Just wondering about people’s opinions when they don’t ship it.
@@adrianwagner8202 they’ll see it. But it will take them longer. I think they’ll come around by s5 tbh. Hordak just has a long way to go before they see him as someone worthy of entrapta.
what season 3 episode are you all most exited for for them to see? it's honestly so hard to decide because they're all great but I would say episode 4 and 6
No one cares about side characters in such series. Like in Legend of Korra when Kuvira murdered at least dozens of Soldiers (the border post and the ships she sunk) and many people were cheering for her redemption arcs in the comics.
That is why they thought she went mad, ,,People are always trying to destroy what they can't control", to restore some kind of imaginable balance and ,, Stop waiting for someone to tell you what the right thing to do is"- like you have a free choice now, use it and don't let yourself loose it - Razzle kind of learned her about her potentially being manipulated again! That really sucks, how Adora is non stop manipulated by everybody it is just so frustrating!!!
Montana coming at Kenny’s impressions Look we can’t all be genius psychology majors, Kenny is an actor so impressions is what he is gonna do and I love em.
Have you guys watched Bojack Horseman yet? I basically recommend that show to everyone, (because it’s genuinely a masterpiece of story telling) but I think in particular with your guys interest in the psychoanalysis of characters and exploring trauma and how it impacts the characters behavior and relationship dynamics in the post-episode discussions, you’d REALLY have a lot to say about that show.
It's never confirmed due to IP rights issues, but the most likely answer to Adora's origins is that she does have a family, including a twin brother, Prince Adam of Eternia... aka He-Man.
I struggle with the idea that Catra lashed out at Scorpia with the ultimate goal of keeping her safe, because I can't see how Scorpia was in any danger. Had she tried to leave with Catra, there's no indication the horde has anything that could have stopped them. Unless Scorpia was staying behind? That said, it's a nice juxtaposition for Catra to manipulate Scorpia into keeping her in prison for Scorpia's safety, just after Shadow-weaver manipulated Catra to escape leaving Catra to take the fall.
Hot take, but Shadow Weaver is #1 for me. Just below Catra because she's the champion, of course. What can I say, I like my characters problematic and toxic.
20:70 ooooooooooo I can't wait for this series to be further along 'cause I got Things to Say about that, but we'll just have to wait a bit to dig into that
Sisters-in-law would be the correct pluralization. The problem is that "in-laws," has become a mainstay of common speaking, so it makes it sound potentially wrong.
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Adora's home planet is Eternia and you are right she is a princess also she has a twin brother named Adam who is also He-Man.
Hey? Did our guy, Kenny, get a hair cut or combed it differently? Kenny looks slightly different today.
@@criticcreature2121 that is from the 80s show. For this series there is no mention of Adam or he-man so we are unsure what the deal with that is.
@@richardsuplee8137 they were seperated when they were babies and all their memories of Adora were maybe erased.
@@criticcreature2121 that isnin the 80s shows She-ra: Princess of power and He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. We do not know if that is still the cast in this reboot.
Can we talk about how Bow is planning on showing an ethereal queen and a literal magical sorcerer a deck of cards and presenting it as a "magic trick"?
And it worked. For, like, a whole ten minutes
"You do not choose. You were chosen."
What a great line
WHEN KENNY SAID
"Tired of being and hero"
I screamed
Whenever I hear that line I think of the video game Control. "You must choose to be chosen."
Like WTF only serious sick person can ever say that!!! Phsichopatic vibes!
@@АнтонияКараджова-к1у psychopathic?? how
@@alliandrablack7751 first person i see knowing Control. Such an unappreciated videogame
And now for my obligatory quote from the episode comment. *ahem*
“You must be Glimmer’s mother. I can tell from the way your voice grows shrill when you yell.”
Love Shadow Weaver's sass
"hey remember how I tortured your daughter that one time?" Is certainly a way to introduce yourself
@@adderous OOF. I never even thought of it that way
"This is Catra's way of saving Scorpia" THANK YOU. People keep using Catra's "are you stupid, I said leave" out of context to call her a bad person, when she literally saved Scorpia to not go down with her to execution.
The degree to which people take Catra out of context to call her a bad person is just nuts sometimes, honestly, even taking what happens later into account. I wish it frustrated me less, but here we are.
THIS.
@@ramywiles EXACTLY. Yes, Catra made bad-hell, AWFUL choices-with major consequences, but the root of it all wasn’t pure evil. It was pain, a desire to prove herself, fear of getting hurt, survival, abusive upbringing, to make Adora feel the pain she feels, and suffering from others’ mistakes or choices. None of Catra’s motives are from the ‘I’m so bad and evil muahahahaha’.
She just wants to feel important, respected, loved, and in control. And she’s had to fight for all of that, just going about it the wrong ways. True, many of her actions mirror how Shadow Weaver treated her (manipulation) but as Montana has stated many times before, it’s the cycle of abuse.
People who look at Catra’s actions from the surface and are like ‘She’s bad! I hate her! She’s irredeemable!’ Just don’t understand her character and story at all. And that’s a shame, because she is such an interesting and complex character who comes with compelling arcs.
I mean, she's still a bad person tho.
@@idk-ye7ur still leagues better than you'll ever be so 🤷
Catra finally standing up to Hordak (even though it was kind of pointless in the end) was so great because she didn't say a single lie. While Hordak was doing experiments in his lab Catra was leading the entire Horde and all of their advances were made thanks to Catra. If it weren't for her, the Horde would have been defeated by the Rebellion as soon as Adora had defected.
But at the same time it was SOOOOOO satisfying.
She knew she was going to die so she decided to at least die by calling his abusive butt out instead of begging.
Hordak's evolution from an imposing badass mega soldier that I first envisioned to over dramatic nerd who never goes outside is amazing
@@richardsuplee8137 DAMNNNNN THE INSULTS IS AMAAZZINGGG AND ACCURATE
@@rodanandme Gives me chills EVERY time.
Kudos to Angella keeping Shadow Weaver away from kids
Such a good protective mom.
I KNOW 💗we stan
Bright moon called Child Protection Services and Angela answered.
This ep rlly shows that even Adora isn't completely free of Shadow Weaver's manipulations yet and its just so sad
To be fair, none of them really are.
ik ;-; and **SPOILER** i guess
unfortunately it literally takes til the end of the show (and realistically prolly some time post-canon as well)
Is anybody ever free from their mom's influence?
That's what makes her next choice of person to manipulate is so painful
I mean, Shadoweaver was genuine almost all the way through in this episode. She tried manipulating early on but Adora didn't fall for that. From the point where she said she was dying she was only speaking the truth.
Note: Every time Light Hope has talked about Mara in a negative way up till now, she's glitched.
I have to give it to Aimee for her voice acting this episode. “Don’t I get a say in this? Don’t I get a choice?” Like, ow. Like Aimee has been good up until this point, and had some real fun deliveries (2x07) (1x06), but this is the first episode I was like… oh. I felt that.
And yeah, Montana is right. We saw it with Catra a couple episodes ago. SW still knows how to get under these girls’ skins. Using Adora’s kindness and Catra’s validation seeking, it’s child’s play for someone like SW.
Small detail that didn’t get too much attention, but I love that Angela has basically adopted Adora at this point and is super protective. When she told SW that she’d put Adora through enough and therefore would not let SW see her… I got all warm inside.
And yes, Catra calling out Hordak was a moment and I love it. She’s got nothing left to lose why bother begging, you know? Truly, a queen. A self destructive queen. But a queen nonetheless.
"Don’t I get a choice?" - oh, yes that hit me hard. She is amazing voice actress. Her comedic timing uplifted many lines. But if we going with the heavy stuff, than her quiet "No, it will work..." also deserves some praise.
@@somestuff7876 agreed the "No, it'll work" is so underrated and so good :'(
while we're listing favorite Aimee Carrero lines, can I also add (spoilers):
"I didn't make you pull the switch. I didn't make you do _anything_ ! I didn't break the world, but I am going to fix it. And you? You made your choice. NOW LIVE WITH IT!"
also, the really quiet "She-Ra's gone" in the S4 finale :(
and "you miscalculated," which has of course become a meme thanks to the ATLA reference, but like the line delivery was also badass in itself hahah
@@axolotl3158YES to all of it! I especially love how she started her speech (almost inward at herself) and where and HOW it ended. Such a rollercoaster of emotions.
I love how, in general, animators on this show noticed slight changes in intonations alot of times with conflicted emotions and reflect it in character expressions. So many lines stuck with me. Adora would be an interesting character even if she wasn't a main one thanks to Aimee unique delivery.
p.s. I wasn't familiar with the cast of this show, didn't know how any of them looked irl. And so the first interview I watched broke my brain. I didn't expect that voice to came out of the actress that could easily play life action version of Catra. They look like they swapped bodies or something)
@@axolotl3158 "You miscalculated...I love Catra more than I fear you-"
It's less cool knowing that the only reason she said that was because she had nothing left to lose; Catra would've never dared to speak to Hordak like that if she wasn't literally about to be killed by him. Her lips were trembling as she mustered up the courage to come out and say it.
A lot of people seem to underestimate the capabilities of Hordak, partially because we only see what he's been doing in the modern day, which is but a tiny fraction of his conquering life on just Etheria, let alone the rest of the universe before that. People don't seem to grasp that it was Hordak who crushed the first Princess Alliance (including Queen Angella and King Micah), which was arguably stronger than the current Princess Alliance (minus She-Ra of course), and from then until Season 2, the only thing that had been preventing his complete conquest of Etheria was the vast Whispering Woods blocking his forces from marching on Bright Moon. And that's not even taking into account the fact that Hordak has (SPOILERS) literally conquered and enslaved entire *_galaxies_* back when he was second-in-command of the Galactic Horde Empire.
In comparison to Hordak's, Catra's accomplishments are rather minuscule. And it's not like Catra has ever been able to truly defeat that "group of teenagers" either. Imagine it from Hordak's perspective: going from the second-in-command of the most powerful space-faring empire in the history of the universe, to being stranded on a primitive planet with only the remains of his crashed warship to work with, and despite all that still managing to single-handedly use nothing but those scraps and his own ingenuity to build a globe-spanning empire, manipulating the natives into serving him and training them to become an army that would help him successfully conquer most of the planet, AND THEN, some ungrateful cat-girl whom you personally pulled up from nothing, shielded her from the unfair treatment of her commanding officer, showed favour towards her over said officer on MULTIPLE occasions, rewarded her with the position of most power besides his own, decides to then talk back to you while you were punishing her for failures that were ENTIRELY her fault. Anyone would be mad in his position.
No, Hordak does not _"need"_ Catra in order to beat the heroes, he never did. Nor does he need Entrapta in the long run - Catra said as much herself in Season 4. The reason he couldn't get his portal machine to work in the beginning wasn't because of any fault in the scientific theory on his part, it was simply that in all his work on the rest of the device, he overlooked the fact that the cables from his wrecked ship had become uninsulated and therefore couldn't hold the charge. Eventually, he would've found the fault and continued as normal. While Hordak may have been doing experiments for most of the series rather than commanding the Horde directly in battle, those experiments are ultimately the bigger picture in this war rather than the actual fighting. And Hordak has literally been commanding the Horde in battle for _decades_ before Catra was even born, and as a result, the vast majority of the Horde's advances were made by him. Can you blame him for leaving the military operations to servants such as Shadow Weaver and Catra to focus on his "true plans" (as Shadow Weaver said) after years of being probably the single greatest warlord in the history of the universe besides Horde Prime himself?
So essentially, there were indeed quite a few lies in Catra's "little speech", as Hordak put it.
montana saying "never think shes gonna be a villian" about catra..... im excited for season 3 yall
LMAOOOO🤣😭😭
I watched s3 and still stand by that statement so djfjfj. She was reaching her true breaking point. But still, she did it all out of her rage of abandonment towards her love that she constantly was rejected by others. All that said, she wasn’t a good person, but she wasn’t being a villain either. She did out of her trauma rather than truly wanting to *just* see others suffer. A villain that got a redemption arc was Hordak. He genuinely never cared until later. Whereas Catra always cared too much.
@@valentinafangirling eh she was a villain
@@valentinafangirling Hordak wasn't raised to care, he had to learn compassion by being shown compassion.
Hear us out 💀
Catra's resentment for Entrapta grows, if you look closely. Entrapta "saved her" from Beast Island, BUT only to send her to ANOTHER death trap. In Catra's mind, Entrapta is only using her to get what she wants (tech) while basking into Hordak's favoritism, a favoritism Catra FOUGHT HARD to gain. Remember what she told Adora? "You never protected me! Not in a way that would get you into Shadow Weaver's bad side!" And that Adora used her. This is history repeating itself, Entrapta "protects her" without getting into Hordak's bad side while Catra is again the whipped child. The abuser simply has changed from Shadow Weaver to Hordak and Adora has changed to Entrapta.
Without Entrapta intending any of it of course.
I never noticed that connection! Oof the repetition of cycles of abuse, poor Catra.
YESSS
@@juanitaparpandacute3511 how tho? The comment mentions things only up to the episode being posted. They have seen that.
@@valentinafangirling wait no you're right i just apparently can't read i somehow understood a whole different thing by the first sentence, my bad
absolutely!! thank you for saying this because this parallel is such an important part of seasons 2 and 3, giving an explanation for the Hordeside events in the rest of this season and the whole of NEXT season (with Entrapta in s4 instead being the Adora to Hordak's *Catra* while the real Catra is infuriated by how much he reminds her of herself), yet it gets largely ignored in discussions of Catra's processing of her abuse and her really unhealthy relationships to Entrapta and Hordak.
And yet, like how Catra eventually got tired of Shadow Weaver and was able to usurp her..... Hordak has just shown that he is able to genuinely be influenced by Entrapta. Even though she had an outburst that embarrassed him greatly, he didn't give Catra the super hard punishment in front of all his troops, like he should have done if he wanted to keep control. He instead caved to Entrapta's idea, putting some control over HIM in her hands.
And Catra really, really wants that control.
[season 4 comments]
Just like Shadow Weaver was responsible for creating the monster of her own downfall, Hordak is responsible for creating his.
But Catra cannot sustain that power theft. She cannot keep the power Entrapta had, because they are based on completely opposite foundations - friendship vs fear - and Catra loses what power she already had over what she does to Entrapta, and the person she becomes in season 4.
Entrapta's been there for like 1 year but has basically destroyed the Horde from the inside and hasn't realised it yet. It's a timebomb, and nobody can defuse it. She did so purely through making connections to others. It's incredible.
I love protective Angella so much!! It's so sweet how much her relationship with Adora has grown since Season 1, where she was (rightfully) wary of her, compared to now ;-;
Shadow weaver becomes SO interesting for the rest of the show after this point
The writing of shadow weaver is just so on point.
Yesss Shadow Weaver is such a great character! (In terms of writing)
More interesting and more hateful.
Maaaan, back when this season dropped I binged it and it was like I had been bodyslammed into concrete. Just me at 3 am, crying over some glittery drawings
I'm glad you guys noticed that Catra was trying to protect Scorpia, i've seen a lot of people pointing this scene out as Catra being mean for no reason, even though it's obvious she's doing it because she cares about Scorpia like Kenny said
Also, literally a few episodes prior, catra did the same thing when SW was in a cell, and it got her "executed" (attempted but still). Like theres no way to interpret that other than shes tryna protect scorpia
@@bellac6311 Yeah, the people who say otherwise just wanna hate on Catra tbh
i can't tell whether or not kenny's hair is different but it looks really cool!
I’m trying out a more middle part type look, thanks!!
@@LettsReact ya it looks good 👍
It makes me think of every man Don Bluth ever animated (Dimitri from Anastasia, the dude from Fern Gully, etc)
@@LettsReact It really suits you :D
@@LettsReact 90s boy band vibes.
Ok but why am I just noticing how Angela got really maternal and protective of adora. That’s so cute 🥰
Comment if you're excited for Season 3!
We're gonna win in the end! Woohoo can't wait!
Extremely excited.
yessss
so exited, my favorite season of the show
montana's tissue stash will be very much needed this season. that's all i can say :))
Bow to an immortal Angel and a Sorceress: Heyy, who wants to see a magic trick
Adora avoiding SW manipulations and confronting Light Hope all in one episode. You love to see it.
Tidbit: the people of Etheria have no concept of stars. When Lighthope referenced them, that comment would have gone over Adora's head.
One of the major themes of this story is destiny. Pay attention to how it weighs on Adora and how she reacts to it.
Ah, but in some of Adora's flashbacks there are actually stars in the sky. It's another early clue about her origins.
@@BremenSA yeah particularly the one in the beginning where she's a baby looking through a window at stars on what I think was Eternia.
ugh, adora's interaction with light hope in this episode is so good. the voice actor's delivery of light hope's lines....chilling. it hurts so good
montana's perpetual love of catra makes me feel SO SEEN. SHE'S MISUNDERSTOOD!
Perhaps. But then again, so is Hordak.
Just because they’re misunderstood, doesn’t mean they’re still not a bad person
we’re at THE season y’all!!
Kenny really just said "It could spell trouble." just before we go into the crimson waste, love that
Catra has literally changed my life too much for me to be unbiased in talking about her, but I'm genuinely really grateful to hear you guys talk about her outwardly cruel response to Scorpia as her method of conveying the pain and protectiveness she's really feeling. For a show that is as emotionally deep as She-Ra is, I think some fans can be way too quick to ignore the emotions at play behind the actions they want to critique. Like, this is ultimately Catra telling Scorpia that she's looking out for her and doesn't want her to get hurt, and at this point, we have ample setup for why she does that in a way that sounds like her lashing out. And no, it's not healthy that this is the route she takes! But like... can we trust that that is indeed the point and not a writing oversight?
i think snapping at someone who is literally following you to their death gets a pass. like, girl, shes trying to save you! you are actively putting yourself in danger and she doesnt want that for you!
What's really sad about this is, after that scene, Scorpia starts to see Catra's lashing out as her way of showing love.... because it WAS, that one time, but now, every later instance, she just thinks Catra's being a tsundere, when that's no longer the case.
it's not until she's forced to confront that catra has hurt people for her own gain, is willing to destroy and end the lives of those she calls her friends, that scorpia realises enough is enough.
@@tipsy634 a wild tipsy spotted 👀
@@fstorms i am glad to be spotted...... hello
I love that Glimmer looks so smug watching Adora interrogate Shadow Weaver
I love the episode in itself, but the thing that always got my eye was the animation.
Just so beautiful~
i love how they think entrapta and hordak are weird now, waiting for the scenes when they’ll get it lmao
09:23 Most likely she cast the Spell of Obtaining, the one that gives the power boost, but keeps consuming you afterwards. She needed that power to teleport herself out from that prison cell and outside of the Fright Zone. Hint: the same alignment of those celestial bodies as the first time she cast it.
8:55
It’s sisters-in-law, like parters in crime, or attorneys general.
This was probably the best season premiere
Edit: Just watched their season 4 premiere, and I stand corrected.
Probably because it wasn't supposed to be one.
@@Carabas72 And yet, it works VERY well as one.
I think this is the first episode that started shifting my thoughts on Hordak and he was on his way to becoming my favorite character from this show.
*Original Series Lore Spoilers*
I doubt anything I say here will spoil this series as they've already changed a lot.
So I have no idea what this show is doing with the lore and where it is going, but Adora being from another world is true to the character's origins. The 'First Ones' was never a thing before to the best of my knowledge, but Adora was stolen by Hordak from the planet Eternia and was prince Adam's (He-Man) twin sister. Fun fact, this also makes her half Earthling as Queen Marlena was originally an astronaut from Earth. I'd be happy to hit you with some more OG fun facts if you guys are interested!
Honestly, you are going to see even more changes to the original Lore, including a crucial point about the origin of Adora.
@@miche9611 I assumed so. From what I've seen they've basically taken the original bones, yeeted everything else, and built their own thing on top of that foundation.
@@CandleLight129 IIRC they had the rights to She-Ra but not He-Man, so they couldn't use any characters/backgrounds from the latter. So a lot of the stuff that ties the two shows together was probably unavailable even if they wanted to use it.
okay but kenny's predictions are impressive, he gets them all right. montana has some really good takes too and i love her psychological insights
Aaaaaahhhhhhh i wish i could watch entire s3 and s4 reactions!! These seasons are way too good
the next two episodes might be some of my favorites in the whole series
Eventually (hopefully) you'll learn to love Entrapdak, they are so cute together!
No
@@athena3268 Yes 😆
Next week, I think they'll get it ^^
@@adrianwagner8202 you guys know they don't have to, right?
@@athena3268 I don't mean that they'll ship them, but rather that they'll like their relationship, no matter if they see it as platonic or not.
I'd never noticed till this viewing but when Shadow Weaver is helping Adora to access her healing powers, she is basically quoting part of "The Litany Against Fear" from Dune.
"I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
Shadow Weaver as a Bene Gesserit is absolutely on-brand btw :D
Always enjoyed Angella and Castaspella's dynamic in this show
the animation this episode (and onward) is so beautiful
Kenny’s hair in the thumbnail??…. He letting it grow into that new new style 👍🏼👌🏼
Omg yay! Been wondering when this episode would come along. So excited to see what you guys think!
Oo In hindsight it's really obvious in hindsight this episode where Hordaks behavior is coming from
Really doing his best to channel that "I see all, I know all" energy.
can't wait to see adora snap at light hope!
“Entrampdak shippers going wild” “thats so weird im sorry” see when the show ends i’ll laugh and bring back these quotes sjdjdjdj
Wow, Kenny's predictions were really on point. From Shadow Weaver saying "I have valuable/vital information about the Horde" to Adora being a First One.
Poor Adora though. She had a rough time in this episode. First she has to face her abuser and doesn't seem quite ready for it, then she finds out that she's a First One who was stolen from her home, and then finally Light Hope tells her that it was her destiny to find the sword, which probably makes it seem like the choices she made were meaningless and predestined.
So I know y'all don't like Entrapdak (which is fine) but it's less weird when you realize that Entrapta is 30 (she's just small ) (:
In a team full of Gryffindors, you may as well add a Slytherin once in a while :D
Kenny’s impressions are insanely good 🤣 He’s a natural
11:08 ...I said this exact same thing to my narcissistic abuser once too. This show perfectly portrays dynamic of such toxic relationship and the journey out of it. With all of the struggles and self-discoveries in between.
Madame Razz is voiced by Azula's VA Grey Delisle.
I love how far you guys have come and I'm happy to be here for more 🙏
I ended up writing a free will philosophy paper with the line from light hope " you do not get a choice, you were chosen, this is your destiny "
“Never gonna think she’s a villain” EXACTLY THATS RIGHT SHE JJST GOT TRAUMA
Antagonist? Yes. Villain? No
One of my favorite épisode. So much revelations
my favourite ep of the whole series! can't wait!
my favourite is one upon a time in the waste
@Ayanda SAME!!! That and ‘Hero’.
@@krystaloftheshores...But the pie!
@@karlwilker579 Oh HELL no, don’t take me there 😭😭😭 I’M NOT READY
@@krystaloftheshores For you, Mara dearie.
This show really ramps up from this point onwards. Excited to see the rest of it with you!
Kenny being the nerd happy kid when he get the answer right I love it
god this season and up is so much angst and im not ready
One thing I always love about reacts to She-Ra is people's complete confusion on entrapdak and refusing to ship it. You will be a victim to this ship soon enough, too. 👀
Right? Even if people never ship it romantically, eventually everyone loves the duo regardless shdjjd even if they prefer it platonically (pretty sure the creator confirmed it was sort of romantic tho)
After next week, I'm pretty sure they'll understand what the hype is all about. :) Even though I wish they had discovered it for themselves. I was legitametely surprised when it happened.
tbh i still find it weird, even after watching the whole show (no hate tho if you do ship it)
@@squarefrog7932 real question, do u at least appreciate the duo platonically? Or sort of understand it? It took me personally all the way until end of s4 to really get there with them even if this season sparked my interest on them a little. I definitely ship them, but I have a theory that even people who don’t see them romantically at all, they appreciate their duo as platonic. Just wondering about people’s opinions when they don’t ship it.
@@adrianwagner8202 they’ll see it. But it will take them longer. I think they’ll come around by s5 tbh. Hordak just has a long way to go before they see him as someone worthy of entrapta.
Kenny you got the Levi hairstyle I love it
I love your banter lol It really adds another layer of enjoyment to your reactions :D
what season 3 episode are you all most exited for for them to see? it's honestly so hard to decide because they're all great but I would say episode 4 and 6
3 for the catra fun, 6 to see them break.
@Richard Suplee THIS. 👌🏻
@@richardsuplee8137 3 and 6 yeah. But also 2 for Entraptadak.
I'm excited for the ramp-up. This season comes in hot and does not slow down.
@@tritiumH3 Couldn’t have said it better myself.
When will the episode 2 show up? I’m so excited!
You're right Adora is a Princess from another planet and that planet is called Eternia.
I love the fact that shadow weaver is actually a really good magic. Teacher always love that part of her character.❤
This season is my favorite, I'm really excited to see you react
Can we all appreciate that Scorpia straight up murdered that prison guard? She did it with a smile on her face.
No one cares about side characters in such series. Like in Legend of Korra when Kuvira murdered at least dozens of Soldiers (the border post and the ships she sunk) and many people were cheering for her redemption arcs in the comics.
Fend for each other is 100% a term
"Hi catra! I saved your life" got me lmao
22:01
So excited y’all have reached season 3! It really is the meat of the series. So many good story lines
You two were hilarious during this reaction 🤣 😂
9:17
I cant 💀
The way she says hordak gets to me
Kenny’s hair is like the ‘80s Bow !
I’m so excited, I love your videos omfg yesss
When you pluralize a combined word (like sister-in-law) it's the noun that gets pluralized. Sisters-in-law. Sisters is the noun. Hope I helped.
That is why they thought she went mad, ,,People are always trying to destroy what they can't control", to restore some kind of imaginable balance and ,, Stop waiting for someone to tell you what the right thing to do is"- like you have a free choice now, use it and don't let yourself loose it - Razzle kind of learned her about her potentially being manipulated again! That really sucks, how Adora is non stop manipulated by everybody it is just so frustrating!!!
Kenny my dude I love your impressions. I die every time 😂
"she's not a villain she's misunderstood!!!" Louder
Perhaps. But then again, so is Hordak.
KENNY YOUR HAIR DO BE LOOKING SMOOTH
Great reaction!! I can't wait to see yours reaction to the rest of the season!!
Goddamn I felt the chill while watching this 💀🖐️
Montana being repeatedly correct about word usage. :D
Kenny’s Shadow Weaver impersonation sent me into hysterics😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Montana coming at Kenny’s impressions
Look we can’t all be genius psychology majors, Kenny is an actor so impressions is what he is gonna do and I love em.
Don't worry Kenny
I think your impressions cool
😂
Yes season 3!!! Here we go, get ready
Have you guys watched Bojack Horseman yet? I basically recommend that show to everyone, (because it’s genuinely a masterpiece of story telling) but I think in particular with your guys interest in the psychoanalysis of characters and exploring trauma and how it impacts the characters behavior and relationship dynamics in the post-episode discussions, you’d REALLY have a lot to say about that show.
It's never confirmed due to IP rights issues, but the most likely answer to Adora's origins is that she does have a family, including a twin brother, Prince Adam of Eternia... aka He-Man.
I struggle with the idea that Catra lashed out at Scorpia with the ultimate goal of keeping her safe, because I can't see how Scorpia was in any danger. Had she tried to leave with Catra, there's no indication the horde has anything that could have stopped them. Unless Scorpia was staying behind?
That said, it's a nice juxtaposition for Catra to manipulate Scorpia into keeping her in prison for Scorpia's safety, just after Shadow-weaver manipulated Catra to escape leaving Catra to take the fall.
kenny with the middle part💀 love it highkey
Hot take, but Shadow Weaver is #1 for me. Just below Catra because she's the champion, of course.
What can I say, I like my characters problematic and toxic.
Shadow Weaver is probably my favorite; I just loved how not being privileged with power didn't stop her from getting what she wanted.
20:70 ooooooooooo I can't wait for this series to be further along 'cause I got Things to Say about that, but we'll just have to wait a bit to dig into that
Kenny's hair is looking so good!
Really wish the Healing music was on Spotify. So pretty
Sisters-in-law would be the correct pluralization. The problem is that "in-laws," has become a mainstay of common speaking, so it makes it sound potentially wrong.
Some real live prisons are looking pretty too.
Bright Moon is Norway apparently
BRO KENNY YOUR HAIR IS GORGEOUS