Essay time…! I personally think .40 is the most versatile semiautomatic handgun caliber: 135-155gr rounds do well with terminal performance in the body. Plus, in that weight class, they’re moving so fast that the raw energy you’re getting out of it is hardly a step down from .357 Sig. 165-180gr does nice on barriers. A larger mass than 9mm and only a little slower. It holds together as they pass through a windshield or rib bone, etc. 140gr solid copper can be a satisfactory balance of both qualities. If/when (probably the latter) 10mm falls out of favor… Or the ammo runs dry, you can shoot your .40 bullets through it. Most 10mm target ammo is the same power as .40 anyway. Like low 400FPE. I think even the people who like 10mm will drop the platform eventually for that reason. Also, the .40 is a shorter round. Smaller grip, easier concealablity for what it’s worth.
The 40sw isn’t a downgrade compared to the 357 by any means. The 40 can match the 357 energy wise all while destroying it in the power factor department. The reason the 357 sig never really took off was because the 40 was already in service and simply more versatile. It just didn’t offer any upgrade and was less versatile. I’ve personally chronographed 165gr pills out of my 5” mp around 1300fps.
In 2020 lines of people at my local gun store were buying guns as well as me. THE LOOK on their face after they bought their new 9mm and realize they can’t get ammo for it was truly a sight to see! 😂
40 Superior & Wicked. The 9mm Paraplegic will never be as big or as powerful as a 40 no matter who thinks otherwise or how well modern ammo is designed. End of discussion.
As a person who wants to eventually get a pocket backup I’d was a Glock 27 .40 S&W for when I need something very small because it’s just a better option to have tucked in a book bag next to stuff you need without having too much space taken up but enough firepower to compensate for the time you in fact need a backup over your primary carry
Glock 22, glock 23, and Shield 40 performance center are what im familiar with. Its true that the Shield 40 handles recoil well and its a great small carry pistol. Personally I use the Shield 40 with an Hogue grip sleeve for EDC and amd its also my outdoors pistol.
During the darkest days of the "Ammo Shortage", I could still find .40 S&W cartridges where as popular cartridges were not in stock! Note: No "Hollow Point" cartridges allowed in the DPRNJ (Democratic Peoples Republic of New Jersey).
Hollows are legal in New Jersey but there’s this strange law where you can legally buy them and keep them in your home but for some reason it’s illegal to possess outside your home or shooting range
@@anthonymecca1503 Hence...hollow points (aka "Dum Dum Bullets to the DPRNJ Legislature) are not allowed for use due to pain and suffering of the individual shot by "hollow point cartridges" AKA sympathy for criminals....
I just got my first .40 cal today! Well kinda….. a friend of mine gave me his Sig Carry complete upper with 3.9” barrel! I just need to get some sights. Ordered the Wilson combat lower for it with the inserts to add some weight to it. Great. Video as usual Bro!
..40 for the win. It's not for everyone, but for me I prefer it, if available. For range, sure 9mm is usually less expensive, but like others said, it is usually available in a crunch, due to others hoarding 9mm.aer I wish S&W would give us a PC update on the Shield 2.0 series for a PC Plus in .40....that would be fantastic... Also, I would appreciate a HK P30SK in .40 for a DA/SA win.
I think the .40 coming into fashion caused feelings of inadequacy in the 9mm fanboy club and spurred all the +P and +P+ innovation that is around today. Without the .40 the 9mm would still be the barely adequate round it was in the 80s.
Well the weird thing is when you go and look at older videos like one from Paul Harrell only certain 9mm rounds perform substantially better than they did in the 80s. Whereas 40 always performs better no matter what. I heard Hop say it on his channel and was looking into it, and sure enough that seems to be the case. The Paul Harrell video was on the switch from 40 to 9mm if you’re curious, and he recreated the Miami Dade shootout to see if modern rounds would have made a difference in it or not
Is the 9mm obsolete? With the new ammo, a 380 will do almost anything a 9mm will do with much less recoil. A 40 S&W gives you close to the power of a 10mm out of a 9mm size gun. Other than cheaper ammo, why do we need a 9mm?
No way . I was just telling myself months back the sd9 2.0 isn’t a bad idea but I’ll wait on the gen 2 for the 40 version if it ever came out.That’s crazy
40 is excellent. I have seen amped up 200lb criminals take 6shots of 9mm and still survive. 40 is a much better stopper. Only issue is size and concealability
Almost bought a beretta px4 storm compact in 40 for 400 bucks but I want a 9mm so I didn’t go for it. Kind of regret it but I got my CZ p07 tactical instead so not too bummed.
Hand and wrist exercises are so quick and easy. In a year you’ll double your grip strength and improve your shooting. And you’ll quit being a soft-handed wimp.
Most people don't have the ability to think for themselves SPN. All this ignorance toward 40 does is leave extremely cheap 40 caliber handguns for us. I cant walk into a gun store without seeing a $300 .40 and i buy them every time. Recently i got a fde gen 4 23 i swear i bet it has 50 rounds through it if that many. you can tell when you do a lot of shooting with different barrel lengths that the bullets hit harder out of longer barrel you can hear/see it kick up more dirt or it gets there faster or hits louder. I often wonder if the Glock 27 is enough because the barrel is short. I go with the 165 grains because if this
I love .40 caliber. I started on it before 9mm even. The shop I bought my first G23 in was probably pushing them at the time? (2009). Fine by me. I actually shot it pretty well. Didn’t mind the recoil or 13 round capacity. Hey SPN, I commented last night on the .380 video about Buffalo Bore ammunition & I think it was deleted? Is that possible? Was it YT or you? I’d really hate to unsubscribe to your channel.
the problem of 40 sw is the fact that it really does almost nothing that a +p 9mm couldn't, it does have more mass and slightly bigger caliber but does it really change anything same issue with 357 sig
Is .40 still relevant? IMO yes and no. Yes: it's widely available and almost every handgun manufacturer makes at least 1-2 weapons that take it. The bang for your buck is great and it's usually available whenever there's an ammo shortage. No: .40 was developed for police and intelligence agencies back when the stopping power of 9mm and the quality of guns on the market weren't as good as they are today. We now have higher grain 9mm ammo that is comparable to the average .40 bullet. That higher grain 9mm ammo isn't always more expensive than the usual 115-124 grain ammo or harder to find. 9mm is strong enough to get the job done and ballistics quality has improved since .40 was first introduced ~35 years ago. Police, military, and intelligence agencies have gradually retired their .40 sidearms because the ammo is more expensive than 9mm and the .40 magazines can't hold as many rounds. The 9mm stopping power in higher grain is about equal to the average .40. Also, 9mm recoil and accuracy are typically better and easier to control. Most gun and pawn shop owners I've asked about the 2 say .40 had its place but it has basically been beaten. Plus, .40 ammo is always more expensive than most 9mm.
124gr; 124gr +P; 147gr Federal HST's are $675 for a 1000rd case. 165gr and 180gr Federal HST's are $600 for a 1000rd case. Usually fund the same fir Speer gold dot also
Ok spn you already knew I was gonna say something. And I’ll keep saying it. it’s More recoil for no extra performance. Foot pounds of energy does not equate to extra performance. What matters is penetration, PERMANENT wound cavities, expansion, and shot placement. I shoot 44mag, 50 Ae, etc for fun. It’s not about recoil it’s about performance.
It has slightly “better” performance. But I mean it’s so debatable what “better” is. You have to look at tests of each individual brand of hollow points, plus p, normal pressure, different weight etc etc. they all perform so differently. Personally I think 9 is fine. I care more about a good balance between penetration and wound cavitation. You need good penetration. People underestimate the power of good penetration. What if it has to travel through layers of heavy clothing, through an arm, through bone, through another multiple layers of clothing to enter back into the chest cavity, then through ribs, then through more tissue to get to the heart or something vital? That’s a lot of penetration required to do that
@@michaeldanchez9530 People that say 40 or 45 or 357 sig is so much better never have real sources to back their claims. At most they have some dude in his backyard shooting uncalibrated ballistics gel with a slow motion camera and thinking that temporary wound cavities or "energy transfer" is a good indicator of a rounds effectiveness. This completely discounts the fact that the human body is mostly made of water and that "energy transfer" is mostly dissipated in human tissue. What causes incapacitation by pistol rounds is shot placement. What causes lethality from pistol rounds is blood loss. Fact is pistol rounds largely perform similarly once you hit a certain size and speed and you dont gain extra effectiveness until you hit rifle speeds.
@@VanTheMan1099 100 percent agree. I watch a lot of tnoutdoors9s ballistics gel videos. I feel like he tries his best to calibrate the gel correctly and you really can see the differences in the calibers. Generally there’s not a huge difference. Like I said, the type of ammo seems to matter way more than the caliber
Essay time…!
I personally think .40 is the most versatile semiautomatic handgun caliber:
135-155gr rounds do well with terminal performance in the body. Plus, in that weight class, they’re moving so fast that the raw energy you’re getting out of it is hardly a step down from .357 Sig.
165-180gr does nice on barriers. A larger mass than 9mm and only a little slower. It holds together as they pass through a windshield or rib bone, etc.
140gr solid copper can be a satisfactory balance of both qualities.
If/when (probably the latter) 10mm falls out of favor… Or the ammo runs dry, you can shoot your .40 bullets through it. Most 10mm target ammo is the same power as .40 anyway. Like low 400FPE. I think even the people who like 10mm will drop the platform eventually for that reason. Also, the .40 is a shorter round. Smaller grip, easier concealablity for what it’s worth.
I agree …
It's only 25% more heavier than a 9 and 77% more heavier than a 22lr.
The 40sw isn’t a downgrade compared to the 357 by any means. The 40 can match the 357 energy wise all while destroying it in the power factor department. The reason the 357 sig never really took off was because the 40 was already in service and simply more versatile. It just didn’t offer any upgrade and was less versatile. I’ve personally chronographed 165gr pills out of my 5” mp around 1300fps.
Spn, you're absolutely correct. The tech on ammo is not limited to 9mm. I agree.
In 2020 lines of people at my local gun store were buying guns as well as me. THE LOOK on their face after they bought their new 9mm and realize they can’t get ammo for it was truly a sight to see! 😂
G23 and p200sk are in my rotation both are great options!!
40 Superior & Wicked. The 9mm Paraplegic will never be as big or as powerful as a 40 no matter who thinks otherwise or how well modern ammo is designed. End of discussion.
Most informative you tuber out there. Look forward to this videos.
As a person who wants to eventually get a pocket backup I’d was a Glock 27 .40 S&W for when I need something very small because it’s just a better option to have tucked in a book bag next to stuff you need without having too much space taken up but enough firepower to compensate for the time you in fact need a backup over your primary carry
Just got a Glock 23 from my local pawn $300 almost brand new loving it so far 💪🏾
Nice! What Gen?
@@theunknownatheist3815 gen 4 brotha
I got a Gen 3 23 last Tuesday. LE trade in. Not a bad deal.
Glock 22, glock 23, and Shield 40 performance center are what im familiar with. Its true that the Shield 40 handles recoil well and its a great small carry pistol. Personally I use the Shield 40 with an Hogue grip sleeve for EDC and amd its also my outdoors pistol.
During the darkest days of the "Ammo Shortage", I could still find .40 S&W cartridges where as popular cartridges were not in stock! Note: No "Hollow Point" cartridges allowed in the DPRNJ (Democratic Peoples Republic of New Jersey).
Are you serious? I had no idea you couldn't have HP ammo there. That's super gay
What do Law 👮♂️👮♂️enforcement use? 🤔
Hollows are legal in New Jersey but there’s this strange law where you can legally buy them and keep them in your home but for some reason it’s illegal to possess outside your home or shooting range
Can’t trust Italians with guns
@@anthonymecca1503 Hence...hollow points (aka "Dum Dum Bullets to the DPRNJ Legislature) are not allowed for use due to pain and suffering of the individual shot by "hollow point cartridges" AKA sympathy for criminals....
I just got my first .40 cal today! Well kinda….. a friend of mine gave me his Sig Carry complete upper with 3.9” barrel! I just need to get some sights. Ordered the Wilson combat lower for it with the inserts to add some weight to it. Great. Video as usual Bro!
I just bought a full size PX4 storm .40 for some reason… Idk never had a PX4 before found a deal at a pawn shop. Figured I’d try it.
I love that gun. And .40 in the PX4 feels like 9mm in any other gun, due to the rotating barrel.
I don’t wanna be shot by ANY caliber. So short answer, hell yes.
Edit: Also my OCD brain would get all 40 S&W guns from Smith & Wesson 🤣🤣🤣🤣
..40 for the win. It's not for everyone, but for me I prefer it, if available. For range, sure 9mm is usually less expensive, but like others said, it is usually available in a crunch, due to others hoarding 9mm.aer I wish S&W would give us a PC update on the Shield 2.0 series for a PC Plus in .40....that would be fantastic... Also, I would appreciate a HK P30SK in .40 for a DA/SA win.
I plan on getting a .40 cal conversion barrel for a g29 😁 two calibers in one gun
I think the .40 coming into fashion caused feelings of inadequacy in the 9mm fanboy club and spurred all the +P and +P+ innovation that is around today. Without the .40 the 9mm would still be the barely adequate round it was in the 80s.
Well the weird thing is when you go and look at older videos like one from Paul Harrell only certain 9mm rounds perform substantially better than they did in the 80s. Whereas 40 always performs better no matter what. I heard Hop say it on his channel and was looking into it, and sure enough that seems to be the case. The Paul Harrell video was on the switch from 40 to 9mm if you’re curious, and he recreated the Miami Dade shootout to see if modern rounds would have made a difference in it or not
Is the 9mm obsolete? With the new ammo, a 380 will do almost anything a 9mm will do with much less recoil. A 40 S&W gives you close to the power of a 10mm out of a 9mm size gun. Other than cheaper ammo, why do we need a 9mm?
I ordered a Blacksmith tactical holster based on your recommendation. I am looking forward to receiving it.
SPN is this based on the fact the Smith announced the SD40 gen2 👀
No way . I was just telling myself months back the sd9 2.0 isn’t a bad idea but I’ll wait on the gen 2 for the 40 version if it ever came out.That’s crazy
They also have the M&P Metal in 40 S&W too. Props to Smith and Wesson for showing that round some love today. :)
My gen 5 G22 is a tac driver. I’m tempted on getting the G23 gen 5 for edc during non winter days in the Midwest.
Does it kill? Yes? It's relevant
Is .40 still relevant? Absolutely.
Your M&P PC is so much fun to shoot!
40 is excellent. I have seen amped up 200lb criminals take 6shots of 9mm and still survive.
40 is a much better stopper. Only issue is size and concealability
Almost bought a beretta px4 storm compact in 40 for 400 bucks but I want a 9mm so I didn’t go for it. Kind of regret it but I got my CZ p07 tactical instead so not too bummed.
Hand and wrist exercises are so quick and easy. In a year you’ll double your grip strength and improve your shooting. And you’ll quit being a soft-handed wimp.
Most people don't have the ability to think for themselves SPN. All this ignorance toward 40 does is leave extremely cheap 40 caliber handguns for us. I cant walk into a gun store without seeing a $300 .40 and i buy them every time. Recently i got a fde gen 4 23 i swear i bet it has 50 rounds through it if that many.
you can tell when you do a lot of shooting with different barrel lengths that the bullets hit harder out of longer barrel you can hear/see it kick up more dirt or it gets there faster or hits louder. I often wonder if the Glock 27 is enough because the barrel is short. I go with the 165 grains because if this
Hmmm you actually can covert a 9 mm to a 40 cal. I don’t know why you said that I see the kits online all the time.
I personally prefer the parent cartridge the 10mm
40 jumps the same
Absolutely,, G23 gen 5 daily carry
Yo can you do an optics comparison video sometime?
Yes of course! Respect
@@spnfirearms Thank you 🫡
Glock 23 grips brother what is the name of them. Handle it grips. What is the name of that kind ? Can’t find them on the site
So the S&W performance center has less recoil than the 27? I thought you said the 27 was your favorite? Confused 😅
I love .40 caliber. I started on it before 9mm even. The shop I bought my first G23 in was probably pushing them at the time? (2009). Fine by me. I actually shot it pretty well. Didn’t mind the recoil or 13 round capacity. Hey SPN, I commented last night on the .380 video about Buffalo Bore ammunition & I think it was deleted? Is that possible? Was it YT or you? I’d really hate to unsubscribe to your channel.
Dude, YT deletes comments left and right for ridiculous reasons.
The backplate on your G23 😭
Agreed.
❤
What are those grips on the Glock 23??
Isn’t the extractor in the G27 the same as the G26? I know the ejectors are different.
#40Gang
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I have the 27 ang the g2c in 40
the problem of 40 sw is the fact that it really does almost nothing that a +p 9mm couldn't, it does have more mass and slightly bigger caliber but does it really change anything
same issue with 357 sig
Is .40 still relevant? IMO yes and no.
Yes: it's widely available and almost every handgun manufacturer makes at least 1-2 weapons that take it. The bang for your buck is great and it's usually available whenever there's an ammo shortage.
No: .40 was developed for police and intelligence agencies back when the stopping power of 9mm and the quality of guns on the market weren't as good as they are today. We now have higher grain 9mm ammo that is comparable to the average .40 bullet. That higher grain 9mm ammo isn't always more expensive than the usual 115-124 grain ammo or harder to find. 9mm is strong enough to get the job done and ballistics quality has improved since .40 was first introduced ~35 years ago. Police, military, and intelligence agencies have gradually retired their .40 sidearms because the ammo is more expensive than 9mm and the .40 magazines can't hold as many rounds. The 9mm stopping power in higher grain is about equal to the average .40. Also, 9mm recoil and accuracy are typically better and easier to control. Most gun and pawn shop owners I've asked about the 2 say .40 had its place but it has basically been beaten. Plus, .40 ammo is always more expensive than most 9mm.
124gr; 124gr +P; 147gr Federal HST's are $675 for a 1000rd case. 165gr and 180gr Federal HST's are $600 for a 1000rd case. Usually fund the same fir Speer gold dot also
Ok spn you already knew I was gonna say something. And I’ll keep saying it. it’s More recoil for no extra performance. Foot pounds of energy does not equate to extra performance. What matters is penetration, PERMANENT wound cavities, expansion, and shot placement. I shoot 44mag, 50 Ae, etc for fun. It’s not about recoil it’s about performance.
BS. 🙄
@@theunknownatheist3815 any evidence? I can cite actual research by actual engineers.
It has slightly “better” performance. But I mean it’s so debatable what “better” is. You have to look at tests of each individual brand of hollow points, plus p, normal pressure, different weight etc etc. they all perform so differently. Personally I think 9 is fine. I care more about a good balance between penetration and wound cavitation. You need good penetration. People underestimate the power of good penetration. What if it has to travel through layers of heavy clothing, through an arm, through bone, through another multiple layers of clothing to enter back into the chest cavity, then through ribs, then through more tissue to get to the heart or something vital? That’s a lot of penetration required to do that
@@michaeldanchez9530 People that say 40 or 45 or 357 sig is so much better never have real sources to back their claims. At most they have some dude in his backyard shooting uncalibrated ballistics gel with a slow motion camera and thinking that temporary wound cavities or "energy transfer" is a good indicator of a rounds effectiveness. This completely discounts the fact that the human body is mostly made of water and that "energy transfer" is mostly dissipated in human tissue. What causes incapacitation by pistol rounds is shot placement. What causes lethality from pistol rounds is blood loss. Fact is pistol rounds largely perform similarly once you hit a certain size and speed and you dont gain extra effectiveness until you hit rifle speeds.
@@VanTheMan1099 100 percent agree. I watch a lot of tnoutdoors9s ballistics gel videos. I feel like he tries his best to calibrate the gel correctly and you really can see the differences in the calibers. Generally there’s not a huge difference. Like I said, the type of ammo seems to matter way more than the caliber