Ninja's Opinion of Competitive Fortnite - My Response
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- Ninja's Opinion of Competitive Fortnite in Chapter 3 Season 1. On Ninja's Twitch Stream yesterday he gave his opinion of Fortnite Competitive as a whole, with some good opinions on how Toxic and unprofessional the scene is. I reacted and respond to these claims and give a full analysis.
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For FNCS Qualifier 1 I saw Ninja doing a viewing party alongside SypherPK and they both really seemed to enjoy the show, which was super cool to see!
I feel like both casual and competitive are equally as important for the game. They just need to make both game modes have separate loot pools and more
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They do have separate loot pools in comp there no Grenades no clingers no grenade launchers and there’s 20 spider mans instead of 80
at this point just create a whole separate game for competitive so they can put all the random shit and game breaking stuff in the casual game and focus on building a really solid competitive building game for sweats. and the best part is you can choose which one to download and which one to fucking delete off your hard drive forever.
@@moon-pw1bi I feel like that makes it harder for casuals to get into comp, though. With arena just being a thing it's really easy for a casual player to hop in and give it a shot
Epic nerfing the Spider-Man mythic in competitive only is a huge step in the right direction to fix this imbalance between competitive and casual imo. Huge opportunity to please both communities by having mostly different loot pools + weapon attributes in both comp and casual. Similar to how they added siphon in competitive only, it can be done and I hope we see more changes in competitive playlists only in the future. I personally don’t see a downside to this? Great video as always Reiss!
I mean it’s not rlly u nerf tbh but atleast they r listening ig
downside might be that they see comp as a marketing tool and if it is vastly different from the casual game they probably think that it will be harder to get casuals interested through watching competitions
Honestly if epic would listen to what we want, separate loot pools and proper ranked Fortnite would easily become ten times more popular than it ever was before
I don't know about separate loot pools. It just doesn't feel right. The proper ranked system part, 100 percent agreed.
@@vidyajayaprakash8819 no because casuals loves the smg and mk but more competitive people know its not balanced if they nerf it for comp and don’t in pubs its a win win
Yh like: bronze 123 silver 123 gold 123 plat 123 ect
@@ernest0199 ikr then highest rank should be FORTNITE
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, we started noticing the lack of a ranked mode especially last season.
While the split loot pool system started to gain interest after this season dropped.
With that said epic develops updates months and months before release and these things are probably being considered but are not at the top of the priority list so I think we should wait another 2-6 months before saying that
The hardest thing about this discussion is getting casual and competitive players on the same page. I'll admit it. I find myself internally hating epic for things like the sm mythic or stingers, but at the end of the day, we need to have BOTH a comp and casual community. I think we should work on understanding each other's perspectives better, since while playing, most people only think of their own experience and will make some rude tweet at epic for a feature that makes the game more enjoyable for other people.
It’s not hard at all. In fact I think most people who have ever been interested with comp could do a pretty decent job at it. Just completely split the game. Utilise the elite and prac discords and have say the top 500 placing players on each region completely decide what happens in the competitive part of the game. Then have a semi competitive section where it’s still made for good players where you can have skillfull fights etc but also with more fun items. Say like boogie bombs (short time) planes and other things. Then have a completely casual mode. Unvault anything. Brutes, have max siphon from every kill. And just overall a massively spray meta in this playlist
@@user-gs5bf9ry3o I do agree with you, the only thing I want to point out is the a lot of casual players do not enjoy the super RNG items, they still want the game to be competitive but just without the sweats. The boogie bombs are a good idea but having things like the season x brute or how op stingers were at the beginning of the season and things like that is not very enjoyable even for casual players.
@@ginneko3394 In that case then I think it would be a great idea to hand pick a selection of say like 500 casuals/content creators and interview them and make the casual side of the game around what they would like it to be
@@user-gs5bf9ry3o if they manage to do that, I think it will improve the game
@@ginneko3394 right, it’s just the scale on which things like this have to happen and the way they would have to be implemented that is unrealistic. It saddens me to say that I doubt epic would ever do that
Ninja has been around forever and his opinions are always so mature and makes so much sense
Yea it's because he isn't an immature 16 year old who only looks at one side of the argument 😅
@@itsFadeCoD idk, usually he’s he does, but in this case he seems to clearly only be looking at one side of the argument, he is for casual play, which I understand, but he needs to understand as well that the game should cater to competitive aswell, or just cater to every type of player in general
> "so Mature"
> Literally screams when a kid kills him and calls casual players "lazy" and a waste of space.
5:08 bang, right there is why there’s a divide between casual and comp. The game was never meant to be competitive, and it’s not why so many people fell in love with it. Casuals feel as if comp took away what made fortnite fun, but spin truth, without it it never would have been as fun as it was. Both scenes need each other, and the sooner everyone realises that the better for the game
Nah we don't need y'all. No offense but we don't. 99% of players have never heard of buggha or benjyfish or whoever
@@adamzandarski8933 bro im sorry but all bad players have heard of those two people. You could have gave ANY other examples but you gave the two people that like 95 percent of people have heard of.
@@Axolity_ you think so cuz you love in a bubble but I assure you, they don't.
@@adamzandarski8933 i can agree with benjyfishy but bro bugga won the biggest fortnite tourney and won 3million dollars. He showed up on a number of talk shows and even appeared in a superbowl commercial (I think) I agree for the most part that the casual scene won’t know about the competetive scene but I feel like the casual scene would defo know about Bugga
@@adamzandarski8933 bro my gran literally came up to me on the week after he won wc and told me about him
We need to stop this sentiment of weapons being OP in pubs and balanced in comp. They should be balanced in pubs AND comp. I’m saying this as someone who plays both. At the end of the day why bother playing arena? Do these SMGs help bad players? Sure sometimes but just look at the FortniteBR subreddit and all you’ll see is complaints about SBMM or people complaining about players who should be playing in FNCS being in their games when they’re probably not that good at all. These OP weapons just get abused by the better players in the pub lobbies and don’t really help the casuals or make it more fun for them IMHO. Sure put some season related fun stuff in pubs to keep it fresh but I think both modes should have a similar loot pool with balanced items.
if you play both then you most be good and what something that leverages towards skill
But then what’s the point: if there’s no difference between pubs and comp
@@N4Evar06 well there already is a difference and I said there should be fun season related stuff in pubs. I just merely said that guns shouldn't be OP in pubs and balanced in comp, they should be balanced in both i.e having the same stats but balanced
no because the smg's allow for people not as skilled in pubs to beat their opponents which are much better, giving them a chance so that they can also enjoy the game,
@@elias0645 yet these people constantly complain about better players being in the game and the better players can also abuse these OP weapons. Infact they're better at it so it doesn't help the casual player. Sure they might get a kill here and there but it will still be a miserable experience for them. Did you actually read my post or not?
It really isn't simple is it. I absolutely hate bad match making where I get into stacked lobbies and don't have a chance, but I also loath getting sprayed by some kid when I spent hours practicing how to build a ramp and one shot with a pump while launch off of it. But agreed as you have previously mentioned you need a system where I can compete on my level but also aspire to get rewarded for being competitive. Great video and good on Ninja. Yes even though I hate the meta this is still the most impressive game to watch pros play.
Another day another banger from Reisshub. I have NEVER had regrets from watching one of your videos. You only put out solid content and that's exactly what keeps me coming back for more.
I don't think the current spray weapons should stay the same in casual, they ruined casual for me.
Agree
Also when Ninja was talking about toxicity he's 100 percent right. Especially when jur3ky was disrespecting evan (one of the devs) you cant be talking like that to devs and epic workers and expect them to take you serious. No one is gonna take the comm serious if pros are gonna keep threatening epic games employees. Being toxic to each other for banter is one thing. But in my opinion any shit talking (especially targeted harrasment) towards devs should lead to either a temporary suspention, or for players signed to orgs a sensitivity training. They dont understand the postition they are in.
brilliant analysis, thx again for your high level insight Reisshub
I play some comp but I prefer playing casual. My friends always complain when I play with them cause I take them to higher skilled lobbies especially in trios. But hearing them laugh and have fun when they kill a better player than them makes my day. I think the games in the best state it can be after chapter 2 season 3.
The spray meta may not be the best but the diversity of the loot pool makes the game enjoyable. Lemme give an example. When the charge came out very few people liked it. They would all ask for a pump or pick up the tac/lever but move foward two seasons the charge was really enjoyable and given the choice a good number of people opted for it instead of the pump.
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I feel like the competitive community says there’s no place for casuals and casual players say there’s no place for the competitive community. There are still many casuals that play Fortnite. I mean it was the most played game on switch in eu. If you were to just walk into someone’s house I wouldn’t be surprised is little Timmy or big jimmy was playing Fortnite. Casuals should and will always dominate gaming
the competitive community doesn’t think that there’s no place for casuals. we just get annoyed when you call pros “whiners” because they want the game to be competitive because it is their job. we want a split prize pool so you guys can have fun and we can compete in a fair environment
I agree with alot of what ninja says, but the skill based match making isn't a good thing. It should have never been added. It's hard to explain but Ged has a video about why fortnite has become so sweaty. And skill based matchmaking is one of the reasons.
I don’t believe for a second that they ever meant for this to become what it has 😂 I remember in season 3 when I joined the fortes were still very common but the game was clearly changing from what it was. All of a sudden ramp rushing became a thing to get up to the top of the enemies 1x1s and then the game slowly evolved into a battle for high ground.
I don’t think they ever expected it to become this complex. It seems like they created one of the most competitive games in the world by accident 🤣
The most competitive game has the worst footstep sound ever seen..
Let's be real the only thing that makes it comp is the skill of the players, the game by itself is far from competitive and has never been balanced by any means..
@@lucadalrio6646 if you’re running then yeah it’s loud but visual effects will always show where you are anyways. I think that adds to the game to make it harder. If you crouch and move you can always sneak up on people. It’s usually switching weapons that gives away that you are there when up close.
They definitely have made it so that the game become less and less competitive as they’re catering to the casuals who buy all the skins. Personally I think there needs to be more game modes when there’s no webslingers bullshit and all the alien space ships that ruin the building aspect of the game.
If they did that then I think it could easily become an incredibly skill full game
@@FlickSh0tt Dude the game audio sucks, footsteps during an endgame are pretty much impossible to hear properly, that's the reaspn a lot.of player use visual effects, the game audio is really bad, if you compare it to the footstep sound of other 3 person/fps games you really notice how bad it is. Sometimea tou can't even tell if a cheat is above or below you and you have to move your camera up and down to hear the sound properly. You can't deny that, players are insane and the mechanics require a lot of skill but the audio and the bloom (even with shotgun there's a bloom) really fuck the comp aspect
@@lucadalrio6646 bro thats the point, its supposed to be harder. literally you are the only one complaining about the audio because YOU are the one that cant deal with it. go cry abt it.
We need to have both communities, but imo, arena really needs to be made more attractive to casual players that are in between full casual and full comp.
I genuinely want to play arena, but because of the fact that there are the mythics in and overall just the stupid crap from pubs, it makes me not want to play since I’ll still be going against players that *should* be my skill level but clearly aren’t.
If I’m going to have to put up with stupid crap in the game, I might as well play with a mixture of AI and players of varying skill levels rather than having to play with people who clearly only play creative and arena all day.
They just need to balance the weapons out and then we have proper loot pool. I agree with ninja on alot of points but when he was talking about the complaining part I agreed as well with him, except for him referring to the Twitter chaos from this chapter epic should have fixed the meta first thing for comp but they didn't, they kept on doing nothing so right now for the comp scene to loose their minds is pretty understandable. Pro players play this game for hours on end every single day because it's their job and they need to make money, so for them to force themselves to play the game can have big negative psychological effects on their minds eventually leading to them going full ape shit on Twitter because they can't handle it any more, while on the other side they can't afford to stop playing cause then they can risk to fall behind. Having a better ranked mode (more separation) is right now in my opinion the only thing that can safe this game...
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I don’t really agree with the part they’re forced to play the game for money they could easily switch and people would still watch them
I assume Epic has some sort of data/metrics on the perspectives of casual players on the meta, but my personal take is a bit different. I'm not a complete casual, nor a complete comp player. I like to play arena and tournaments (for fun, knowing I'll never place super high). But I also play lots of pubs with some people who don't even know how to build. I don't see how anyone likes the spray meta. I don't even think it's that fun for super casual players. Yeah, they can get kills they normally couldn't get. But I feel like it will work against them more than it works for them. ie. you're more likely to die to it, then to get a kill with it. Anyway, I think a happy balance can be found - whether that be making two separate loot pools or just further nerfing the spray guns this chapter. I think it's possible to nerf the spray guns to the point where they won't be game breaking in competitive, but also won't be "underpowered". Get them to a state where casuals can still get cheesy kills occasionally, but not where a good player can abuse them to absurd levels against other good players.
I think ninja makes some good points especially when he talks about when pros swear and are toxic towards epic. If you were a pro player for a sport like football, basket ball soccer, skiing that could get you disqualified from the competition because it’s completely unprofessional but the problem with esports is it’s hard to draw a line like that because they can’t hear what you are saying all the time. In the end Pros need to be more respectful.
Like the rant format, keep up the great work!
i used to be decent a couple years back but when i came on to play in ch3 s1 it was hard to get kills as my skill based matchmaking was so high, i think it should be reset every season or at least every chapter and it makes it easier for people who want to come back and play again
This video is how I’ve been feeling recently! For example my friends have gotten back into Fortnite, but now when I play comp I’ve been putting in tons of hours in creative and now I get shit on only when I get sprayed/:
I feel like if they kept the striker pump and replaced the stinger and mk with the p90 and scar it would be alot closer too 'balanced'
2 yr old vid that's spooky relevant...
Thank you, sir
The un-professionalism has a bigger effect on the youth that watch and look up to these pro’s. They see them acting like that and turn around and act the same way. Now you’ve effected thousands of teenagers in a negative way.
Gotta disagree that "we have SBMM." There's a huge chasm between the 5 year old who plays Fortnite once every couple days on their PS4 and the number of top tier players edit coursing and piecing up people on their PCs. There are people in between like me who are decent at the game, and I haven't seen a fun bot lobby in months, I haven't won a solo game in almost a year, but my K/D still only hovers around 1. SBMM somehow categorizes me as someone who is actually able to compete with the piece control people and it's terrible because I can't keep up.
thats weird, sometimes fortnite asks if its too hard or easy, if you see that press hard and it will change the skill based matchmaking
It was season 8 not x when the drum gun came back👀
@7:50 Why did Vadeal have a Norwegian flag on his Twitter? Isn’t he German?
I’m confused about people complaining about sweats . They play pubs… not one good comp player plays pub . There’s always gonna be one guy who drops a 20 bomb but that happened since the start . If your complaining about a guy doing 90s ( which been invented like 4 years ago) you need to quit and play roblox
It’s people who think their bugha or something and decide that pub matches are actually fincs matches that are annoying. The 8th grader that doesn’t play any other game but doesn’t play enough to be pro so he beats up on pub matches
your the exact person ninja calls toxic, its a bit hard to play when someone who has perfect aim and boxes you before you can react.
@@KwikBR bro what part of that is toxic. are you mad that you played a game just to died to a slightly above average player. not one good comp mf will willing play pubs
@@isak7026then they shouldn't blame the comp scene . 99.99099% of good player will be playing arena
At the end of the day Epic is a business and has one goal; make money. I have been playing this game since Chapter 1 Season 4 and ping(150 to 180) my country has always been bad because of out location. They say to you buy CAT-6 Internet cable, buy better gear. But no the ping will always be bad as there are no severs. Some games like Krunker.io has the best setting and customisation and the ping is good and this game has no players compared to Fortnite.
SMG meta is not really nice. Even casuals hate it. But there are people out there that like it
that is not true, casuals love spray meta, thats why drum gun was voted in and c2c2 was most popular season
Reiss you’re an absolute legend. It’s about time someone done a video like this. I’ve been saying forever that “pros” need to start acting more professional. Especially when posting comments. Other young people pick this up and start copying them so this is how the community gets toxic. It’s their job so they should be acting professionally.
I stopped playing Fortnite for a while and really got back into the game this season, so I fell behind in terms of skill so far that all my lobbies feel sweaty af, and the spam meta does not make it any better.
3:45 minecraft has entered the chat
i feel like casual and competetive should be as important and i have seen a decline in competetive this season which is sad to see. i loved competetive and it doesnt feel like competetive right now. not only that i run a esports team and i aint even lying i know more competetive players that have quit than stayed. even i have quit and if u went back to last season i was grinding 24 7 because i loved the game. dont get me wrong this is perfect for casuals and im happy they enjoy it but i feel bad for competetive
Quick correction for one thing I noticed you said, the Drum Gun was brought back at the end of chapter 1 season 8, not chapter 1 season 10. And while Ninja does make amazing points, I don't think casual play being the majority of the player base means it's ok to have no item balance. I can't even do a basic triple edit, that's how much of a casual I am. However, it's gotten to a point where it's not even fun to kill with the Stinger, MK7, Grenade Launcher, or Heavy Shotgun anymore. It's not like me playing low ground smart in pubs against people who are trying to do constant edit courses, I just knock them down with a Grenade Launcher or spray weapon or get a ton of damage with a Heavy Shotgun shot. It's not fun because it doesn't feel earned. It's like when I used the mechs and UFOs, the weapons are so terribly unbalanced that it doesn't feel rewarding to kill someone with them because even if you would've killed them in a balanced meta, the kill just feels undeserved with such a broken weapon. People have fun when there's a challenge they overcome through means such as their intelligence or skill, not when they easily fly through everything without effort. That's what bores people and makes them move to other games. When the meta is as unbalanced as it currently is, nothing feels fun or rewarding, which is why this season has the highest quit rate since around season 11. People argue "oh, just don't use the broken weapons." I can see why someone would make that argument because, on paper, it seems like a solid rebuttal. However, in practice, these weapons are so overwhelming to the point where you have to use them if you don't want to get run over by them. Yeah, I'd love to use a weapon as fun and balanced as the Ranger, but unfortunately, it's completely invalidated in every way by the MK7 and you don't have a legitimate chance to win if you take the Ranger over the MK7.
well then you arent casual
@@KwikBR Yes, I am. Having issues with weapons and wanting them changed isn't something exclusive to competitive players and content creators.
@@KwikBR Yes, I am. Having issues with weapons and wanting them changed isn't something exclusive to competitive players and content creators.
@@KwikBRwhat are you on about
@@Vettel_Ronaldo everyone liked the things like the MK more
Bro the skilled based is just so wierd because some games feel perfect and then you get guys who have same kd and wins but spend 2000 hours in creative while a casual player like me has 800 hours on the game over the past 4 years
1 difference between apex and fortnite, or even fortnite and most games with a ranked system / comp scene is that most of the games have a better ranked system than compared to fortnite and that is something that is going to help with fortnite comp in the next few seasons, and with the players complaining, Ninja is right, they get paid to do this and if this was in any other place where someone got paid to do something and their employer or the person paying them to do their job seen all the negative comments on social media then they would be disciplined or fired (obviously different for e-sports) but I can see where Ninja is coming from and I agree with a lot of what he is saying
This entire issue is fixed by giving competitive Playlists a completely different loot pool, optimized for competitive play.
Normal ars, og pumps, tacs, mp5's only, bolt action snipers, and a dmr style rifle. Maybe its an infantry rifle but with a scope like the aug, reduce headshot multiplier and slow down the rof.
Heals are a valance of fishing, chests, and ground loot. Replace bandages with slurp juices, but make them slower. Increase flopper to 50 hit points but you can only carry 3, make the skinny gray fish a green, make them stackable to 6, and keep them at 25 per fish, and can only heal to 50 or 75.
Bouncers, impulses not shockwaves, launch pads, and ballers for mobility in solos while ballers in duo and trios could be replaced by cars, if you're worried about that. If not, just make it cars and ballers apart of the item pool.
Its not complicated
Banger vid when the streams coming back I'm missing them on my Sundays
the apex FNCS is called ALGS
The toxicity is legit the only thing I actually fucking hate about Fortnite. It’s so bad I just can’t play sometimes
If SBMM actually worked, casual players would be happy... I have a barely 1.5 k/d, and most players in my lobby have 4+. I've stopped playing cuz there is no way or incentive to improve. Just make SBMM work better.
Really good video, specially the last bit about making those kids realise how to be professional for something they want to make money from!
Honestly the spray meta ruins competitive for me.
Edit: fortnite also has one of the youngest communities. Not just the game, but the average of top players seems to get lower all the time. Other genres, like fg’s have much older players and scenes.
People who complain about sweats are either sweats themselves but on a different game or they just hate fortnite because it’s hard to master
This is a really easy fix! I've seen even comments on this video that agree with me that, FORTNITE NEED A PROPER RANKED SYSTEM AND SEPERATE LOOT POOLS!
i think the problem that people have is just the lack of communication between epic and the competitive community. if they gave some sort of reason why they are keeping the smg so powerful in comp or why they put all of fncs in 1 week, we would be a little more understanding.
People don’t give fortnite enough credit for the amount of skill it takes, either they think it isn’t that skillfull or they believe that it’s just the amount someone plays the game rather than a combination of playtime and lots of practice , and they say that you can’t have a life outside of the game in order to be good at it , which is also a complete lie .
True
also another problem I have (with casuals mostly) is them saying 'omg sweats ruined the game' they are basically saying 'wow I'm bad epic pls nerf'
@@lamarr51 facts bro
@@lamarr51 so its fair that someone who plays creative alot boxes you and kills you when you play for the first time in weeks?
@@KwikBR yes it isn't their fault they got good, to fix this problem you don't complain to Epic games, you try to get better at the game and fix your mistakes, even with little time u can still progress alot if you have the right stuff to do
Fortnite cOmPetitive is smash bros with the items on and the big arenas 🤣
If you think fortnite has competitive scene you are living in a fantasy land - tfue
Fortnite is like baseball: on a regular day, any team can win. There are too many parameters, too many angles to keep track of all the time. So chance plays a large part in the game, and that's what I love about it.
Love this video's comment section, people peacefully stating their opinions (and facts). I wish social media was like this.
I'm a new player, started playing Fortnite a month ago and wanted to ask is there a way to have the same map, but only me in it? Cause I love the game, but hate being killed by someone while I'm just having fun with the wolves or something.
I love fortnite, but I took a break this season. Hoping next season is better.
Biggest problem is ping disadvantage imo in games like apex cod csgo valorant it isnt noticeable that much if at all but in fortnite it’s insane if u play against really good wkeyer with 0 ping only thing u can do is get in their face with luck or just fucking run. So much Wall take by first try, shooting through walls, seeing you sooner and noticeably more smooth gameplay
I do agree with most of the things here in these video because I'm really decent, but not the greatest or fast at building. But yes I do think that some of the weapons need some balancing in competitive scene of the game. Overall Epic is somewhat starting to make the game fun again for the casuals, now we all need to fix is the competitive side of the game and boom the game will do good.
Tbh you never really hear the actual gameplay perspective of casual players online because they don't tend to post about it. I feel the video and most TH-camrs neglects this. I have friends that played and enjoyed fortnite casually in ch1 and have tried multiple times to get back into the game, but simply can't as after a couple of games vs bots they are playing people who know how to edit/build properly and they can never get a foothold
lazarbeam was the youtuber that showed the perspective of a casual player, but because of the game getting too sweaty they ended up quitting
in my humble personal opinion, it takes a bit more skill (close range tracking and reaction time in box) to kill somone with a submachine gun then luckily flicking with a pump.
btw apex legends' fncs alternative is named ALGS. (apex legends global series.)
i dont think separate loot pool isnt gonna do what we really think it will. For casual players to get into pro play is by having it be sort of similar to pubs,what we need is the guns being balanced in comp. You cant make comp too competitive,because it will be boring for normal people.
so then normal people shouldnt play comp
Chapter 5 season 3.........
I mean I quit the game for years after playing since season 0 and I feel pubs is super balanced but arena does get ridiculous since I’m on console
They need to improve sbmm, if you are a casual player who plays regularly and had played for a long time, the game trow you in hard lobbies.
Even if you die a lot of games (not on purpose) the game still puts you in the same lobbies.
i use to get better in fortnite but my ping was 120 so i quit it nd start playing valorant nd i get 30 ping nd tht game is so much more fun better nd competitive than fortnite can ever be
Spray metas don't last long especially in team game modes this meta is frustrating. No matter if you are a noob or a semi pro the fact that you can get knocked in less than 1 second by 2 mks from distance is bad, why they nerfed the snipers if not from that reason? It is such a cheap way to make low skill players feel good with themselves but in the end it can turn back at them as well.
Maybe Epic can’t program the weapons to be different in comp and pubs but they can remove a weapon in comp and keep it in pubs so a alternate way can be making a new model of the Smg that is nerfed but looks the same and add it to comp but remove it from pubs resulting in a good alternative way for epic to bypass that
as op as the smg might be, its got nothing on that grenade launcher and im sick of that web slinger
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fr can we talk about how fucked the grenade launcher is like jesus chips fam
There’s a simple solution just separate pubs and arena loot pool it’s so much easier we get to have op fun weopens that breaks the game while they heave balance guns . Add every gun in fortnite inside creative so everyone creative becomes a common ground between competitive player and casual player . If epic add a tool that lets you tweak gun stats in fortnite it would be better .
Is there g wrong I’m not seeing here because it’s such a simple solution that works.Please comment if you thinks there’s a problem with it
you know i never saw myself as comp player but i really do side with them on this season. i actually loved drum guns at the prime and i loved chapter 2 season 2 meta with the mythic drummy and scar but chapter 3 season 1 definitely feels different than those.
but also off topic charge shotguns are actually good. you just have to play defensive and hold angles.
ngl as a casual player
SBMM is fucked
i could get a win with 5 kills one game
and the next game get pooped on by a person with a kd of 15.7 and 300 wins.
and even so Arena still exist yet i'm only in open and can barely get a kill there. creative doesn't help especially when you have a laptop that can run a max of 40 when you aren't moving fps in fortnite with a stable 25 when your moving. giving me close to 0 chance at improving since i'm most likely going up against people with a 1k gaming rig.
massive build fights lower my fps to around 5 & 15
my parents won't buy me a full sized computer because of
A. the cost to get a good one
B. we don't have the room in this one story house with 2 rooms and a kitchen. modded to 4 rooms each taken up by me and my siblings. my room is the smallest out of them all. mostly cause there are 2 beds and dressers in here. sharing rooms suck
i agree because i never can get a single win in casual anymore
Talking about spray meta specifically. It's fun for casuals. It's fun because it's really easy to do and will get you kills and wins. But it being easy is the exact reason why it's so annoying competitively. It's not competitive. There is no skill gap that is separating the top tier pros who deserve to be in the FNCS finals from the players who are relying on one really broken thing. Unknownxarmy would be a really good example. Obviously, he was a great player, not denying that, but his meteoric rise to the top can be explained quite a bit by the meta at the time (spray), as well as legacy aim assist. As soon as those things changed he just quickly dropped off the map to where he probably should be, which is a mid to high level cash cup player. By comparison, you have a player like clix, whose rise can be explained by the fact that he was innovating and creating an entirely new playstyle (piece control and box fighting) that had never been seen before and is still the current meta 2 years later. He was relying on just a better understanding of the game, whereas unknown was relying on an easy meta that he was just able to perfect. And for the record, not really a fan of either player, nor do I hate either, they just seemed like the easiest comparisons to make.
I think Ninja could be onto something. It's different from Warzone and Apex because a professional game of Fortnite looks completely unrecognizable compared to a casual game of fortnite. I think if we want their to be another wave of stars on the level of Clix and Benjy, we would need more casual viewership of comp. And for that to happen I think games would have to be less about looting uncontested pois, surge tags and endgame refresh strategies and more about finding out who the best fighters are. If a game came down to Clix and Deyy vs Bugha and Mero where both teams are fully stacked and we aren't even in moving circle yet. Neither can surprise each other its just a straightforward fight for the W... that would be considered an awful, dead game. But I think that would be more interesting to 80% of Fortnite casuals than the way games play out now, and it would provide for more big time moments. I think even adding a gulag system where we actually get to see pros fight straight up would make comp fornite more interesting to a lot of people.
It wouldn’t work due to the fact that’s it’s a battle royale game. The main objective in a battle royale game is to get the win and be the last one alive. In Fortnite it’s only so different because of the mechanics and how good people got with them. In apex and war zone for example, people camp and get good positioning in order to have a better chance at being the last player(s) alive. They stay in houses, hide behind cover, look for high ground, etc. The only difference between Fortnite and games like apex/warzone is that, in Fortnite your able to make your own cover, high ground, positioning, etc. That’s why the skill ceiling is so high in competitive. People learned different ways in order to do that. If it was just fighting like team v team or player v player, it wouldn’t be a battle royale anymore it would jus be like a cod tdm or 1v1 with the building/editing mechanic. Sure casuals would love it but they can see that anyway if they just watch competitive game mode like a cash cup or fncs. The top players end up fighting each other one way or another. Just not in a controlled environment like it would be if it’s creative or only them on the map.
@@gixnto appreciate that response. I wasn’t suggesting that battle Royal as a game mode should be eliminated just to be clear. But maybe there’s a way to have the games play out differently with some changes. What you mentioned about fighting in cash cups and fncs is a little different because pros are mostly destroying people that won’t end up in the final lobbies there. When you said pros end up fighting eventually… Sure it happens kinda, but i feel like the fight isn’t straightforward often enough. It’s more likely that the fight isn’t a balanced one to start based on loot situations or whatever. Or a random positioning advantage. I want to clarify that I don’t even know how you could change this or if I’d want to btw I’m just thinking about why a casual might not find pro games entertaining.
Just thinking for a sec Maybe if kills were worth significantly more in the first 75% of the game and less in the final 25% of the game. Might make it to where fighting became more worth it and you weren’t automatically out of the tournament if you’re contested. Idk
@@jakemilano8868 I mean I see where your coming from but a fighting format in general would be bad for comp. Since most of Fortnite’s tournaments are open to everyone, a elimination heavy format would be horrible for the casual players that want to try comp. The pros/semi pros would just kill of everyone in the lobby and the casuals wouldn’t stand a chance in the tournament ruining it for them. Sure it might be exciting to watch but for most casuals they watch and then want to try out comp. Fortnite’s comp scene is so good due to the fact that it has open tournaments and the only gateway is how good you are at the game.
It would be the same thing either way if you are in the t1 skill of Fortnite. You’ll see the t1 players fight but it’s never going to be in a controlled environment. Making the one of the teams always have an advantage like positioning, loot, timing, etc. The closest thing a to what I think your describing would be the zone war tournaments that they used to run but that didn’t really pull as much views as the real br tournament. The fights were just who was more mechanically skilled and not who was actually the best player in “Fortnite battle royale” if that makes sense. Which is way faze sway would win almost every zone war tournament but never actually place in a cash cup finals or fncs.
Im pretty sure they tried to increase the point per elimination in one of the past fncs’s but the t1 pros still played for endgame/win due to the fact that they have a high chance at winning the tournament if there consistently dying around top 5. Fighting lowers the chance of placing highly and ruins both the your game and the opponents game which is why t1 pros make loot routes and drop maps. Fighting may be entertaining to the casuals but it wouldnt really be competitive. All player would really have to work on is one skill (fighting) instead of the multiple skills it takes to be a t1 pro.
I hope you understood what I’m trying to say cause I’m just ranting from a comp persepective :P
ninja was all for competitive till he started getting rocked by other players that put in time
Epic just needs to nerf the stinger and mk. Maybe it does regular damage in pubs but less in arena. To reduce the spray meta. Of course, i feel like even a lot of pub player friends that i know get sprayed a ton, so not every pub player likes the spray meta. Alot dont. I feel like if they restored the pump, to counter the stinger, our lives would be alot easier.
what they need to fix is when you WERE a pretty good player then comebackto the game and get lobbies with literal gods
This is kinda unrelated but I find it funny when people complain to Donald Mustard about comp stuff because he’s in charge of the storyline stuff and has nothing to do with game balance or the meta
Dang, ninja with a take that isn't total dog buns? Crazy time we live in...
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Your last point about professionalism is extremely valid and I agree with it, but I can't help but feel that the competitive community is kind of justified with their comments. Epic Games adds things into competitive that are so mind-bogglingly bad for comp that you can't help but wonder what on Earth they were thinking. Things that are so obviously bad that you wouldn't even need to playtest it to know they were bad. Things that if you playtest them once, it would be glaringly obvious how bad they were. And yet they get added into comp and stay in comp for months. I'm not defending the comp community with their unprofessionalism, but they have very valid complaints. I genuinely thought that the mech would get taken out of arena after the first day it was added, and yet it was in comp for the ENTIRE SEASON. That one turbo build nerf which made building impossible, moisty palms, and tilted town convinced me that Epic doesn't playtest anything. How epic blatantly ignored how ridiculously busted aim assist was made the comp community feel like Epic doesn't care about them. This was then made even worse with stuff like Midas' Drum Gun, Brutus' Minigun, and Kit's Shockwave Launcher. Imagine if Valorant added something that automatically killed the entire enemy team. People would be going crazy. It would be absurd. Yet, Fortnite had an equivalent of this which was nade stacking. A squad can just walk 60m away from your base and your entire team is dead. No matter what. Even if the nades don't kill you, the ensuing lobby spray will.
what about rocket league's skill ceiling?
L game
@@Lunar-if3bb your life is a L
I don’t know how they can call it a fortnite World Cup if they don’t even include everywhere in the world… they missing a whole continent still if you haven’t noticed. Poor #FortniteAfricanServers please help 🙏🏻
I believe lower skill gap is needed in Fortnite comp, not to that extend, but so you can have a sort off in-between spray meta and 200 pumps, like imagine a Stinger with fire-rate of 11 and more damage drop-off, right now, it can hit for consistent damage from really far away, instead make it go 8 damage, like the old one did. We still have rather strong weapon, but weakened by some extent. MK7, could use slightly less fire-rate, about 8, maybe 7.5.
Aye bruh in pubs noobs can definitely thrive and succeed in a vic royale. I rmr when I first played it was mostly map knowledge, playing safe, and hard aiming. I found it fun just trying to stay alive and getting a few kills was a bonus. I don't think the casuals are enjoying spray meta cos it only helps the sweats to w key lol.
Ninja was fully on board with getting the mech nerfed and changed through Twitter so how is this any different
He’s bad now. I’m not trying at act immature but that is all that it comes down to. He loved the game when he was the best. Now he’s not the best.
@@user-gs5bf9ry3o facts even then he was falling behind lmao
Now Drumguns are back and another strong SMG as well. So competitive Players prob rage at this season.
I mean if you were a old god mode player n you wanna get back into it but can’t play a lot it’s gonna be very hard to have fun or find any success I stoped because it’s a waste
The spiderman mythic Nerf is good, they just need to nerf the smg fire rate
I understand that they must cater to both casual and competitive player, but what I don't understand for the past 2 years is that why can't they split loot pools? There isn't any harm in that 🤷. having smg fire faster in casual, while lower damage and lower fire rate in comp will make it so much better.
The equivalent of apex for the competitive fncs is algs
i respect the view but i dont fully agree with it. yes complaining doesnt help at all but i think pros take it to twitter to vent out their frustration rather than to ask epic to make a change, since they know that asking them nicely will be to no avail. not really sure about this tbh would love to see other peoples views on this
Tbh sbmm has ruined pubs. If you have decent stats you know. And with no loot pool separation pubs and arena feel the exact same, at least in my experience
Competitive players have been saying this is the worst season ever, for most casuals its one of the best so much content, having fun, easy meta, its been great. I understand both sides, comp thinks its frustrating to go against spray meta and would prefer box fight meta, but you they gotta keep up
I'm a casual and I'm not even playing the game, this meta is terrible
its the most challenging shooter by a land slide
when is update on masterclass
Apex FNCS is called ALGS
In the end of the day for fortnite to flourish it needs to stop caring about comp
From my perspective (casual player) I kinda agree with ninja like a casual player can't play a game without a pro just shits on him. I as a casual player cannot see where the skill based match is, for example one week ago I was playing fortnite wen a sweat doing triple edits and all Uncessary edits and by just looking at it I quit the game.Like wen there is a competitive modes such as arena I personally don't understand y they had to introduce skill based match making. We can't get a win without sweating our butts off and after going for a kill there is going to be a player with the smgs. For fortnite they really need to listen to the community a little more. Wen sypherpk started standing up against skill based match making they(the company)completely misunderstood it and added almost all bots and if u were a casual player in a squad u were gonna win because every1 in the game were bots. Talking about the spary matter it just gives a casual player a chance to kinds compete head to head against a pro player.Its like the introduction of mechs into the game. Taking that Into consideration epic games shouldn't have removed the tac shotgun because if u r a casual (personally) u r bound to miss alot of shots
What’s stopping epic from elevating both loot pools having certain stats for guns in comp and casual.
if they do that then they dont get the reward of pissing off the entire pro community every season