The information war in Sudan | The Listening Post
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- The Sudanese capital, Khartoum, looks like a war zone these days, as two generals and their armies fight for control of one country. Both are pushing their narratives on social media and jostling for command of the state-run airwaves.
Contributors:
Declan Walsh - Chief Africa correspondent, The New York Times
Matthew Benson - Sudan research director, London School of Economics
Yassmin Abdel-Magied - Author, Talking About A Revolution
Hager Ali - Research fellow, German Institute for Global and Area Studies (GIGA)
Dallia Mohammed Abdelmoneim - Sudanese activist
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The shame i feel for being on the same continent with these two people. The work we have to do to make life better in Africa and they go and do this...very very, very sad
How a stupid decision by two dissilusined individuals can affect lives of millions of people! The Sudan farmer, or nurse, or doctor, or even police are totally oblivious of what the war is basically about. But people are dying, bottomline. Life has been interrupted (though it was already made hard)... I think Africa Union needs a strong authoritative army. When this kind of nonsense happens, the AU army steps in, takes charge until the warring factions grow some brain
Pls send me links. I’m in a different continent but I can share what you know
The AU has failed to deal with Tunisia. Tunisia must not only be censured but suspended from the AU
Love how he avoided using the misguided Arab Sudanese vs "African" Sudanese phrase instead he said "arab speaking vs non Arab speaking which is far more appropriate and accurate take on the ethnic issues plaguing Sudan
Some of the Sudan people knows the mind of west, making trouble using money,
Democracy rules suport and destruction.
What do you mean it looks like a war zone? It’s a war zone
Now I can go back and delete my comment. So much for the credibility of the report.
I hope my brothers in Sudan learn from history and they are repeating the mistakes of Yemen, Libya, Syria and Somalia. STOP now or you’ll regret
Agreed but by time they realise it will be too late. I feel sorry for the Sudanese people
Gen Hemetti felt insecure bcoz the govt in which he was the deputy of Gen. Burhan suggested to annex RSF in Army within 2 years where Gen Hemetti said this annexation is not possible in 2 years but it will take at least 10 more years to perfect annexation.... In fact Gen Hemetti needs a force to control his gold minefields located in the Darfur Region ......
Thanks for your input. It's always about resources
Any group supported by Wagner I would not trust!
What people of Sudan wanted is prosperity and progress, but what they got is chaos and violence. This is exactly what happens when leaders of the country are incapable. Not to forget the allowance of foreign intervention in internal matters.
Is not just leaders, don't forget the ethnic issues too.
Sudanese Arabs are killing the native Africans, it's a genocide
How strange...there's no war in the UK. Why don't you import your warlords here.
Nato
Yeah Russia supplying weapons to the rebels
All this will turn out great for the people of sudan..we just are not wise enough to see past tomorrow or next month..but everything in the hidden is erupting..however the country, people,and natural resources will stay..all will be great for sudan
As a Somali hurts to see Sudan in chaos as well😪
The contrast of reaction from the UN between the Sudanese conflict and Russ v Ukraine is glaring.
Well, in South Sudan where the talks are taking place, they say, they have an African solution. Supposedly, this would be solidarity with the current authority with the hope of future reciprocity irrespective of the nature of rebellion.
This is a civil war. Surely so it is for African countries to demand the democracy in Sudan that the people's uprising was about. Russia invaded Ukraine. It is not a civil war within Ukraine. Since 2014 Russian soldiers and artillery and tanks have been in Ukraine to stir up the excuse for the full scale invasion of last year
Not the same … one is a civil war the other is an invasion.
Africa should have a standing force that is capable of arresting both men and whoever else feels brave. All countries in Africa can commit to this force. If they really want to fight, they should take their armies away from civilized people who just want to prosper. It’s sad that everyone’s life has to be interrupted by these two.
Sudan peoples peaceful 🙏Please Lord make 🇸🇩Sudan peace im from 🇪🇹
Thank you listening post for calling it a war, now tell the rest of aljazeera to stop calling it Sudan fighting
Very good episode.👍
4 And my soul hungered; and I kneeled down before my Maker, and I cried unto him in mighty prayer and supplication for mine own soul; and all the day long did I cry unto him; yea, and when the night came I did still raise my voice high that it reached the heavens.
May Allah answer your dua Ameen
@@Khadiyah01 Thank you.
Praying for peace🙏🙏🙏
How much fools be the army to fight own brothers just for 2 pigs.
Just a few weeks before the Civil War broke out the US sent their envoy to preach about democracy. Then a free days later this happend, how ironic.
US got a little more important things going on with Russia/Ukraine and China than to deal with a Sudanese Civil War. Russia owns Sudan anyways, not the US
This Episode was literally Smooooking 🔥🌜⭐🙏🏽🔥 AL Jay'
They are all so very Holy peoples........
Just like the Holy people in Ukraine.....
@@ThisNinjaSays_ indeed…but I’m not offended by the comment unlike someone lol
Good reporting
Free People The Great Sudan People 🇸🇩
Greed will be at the bottom of all this and innocent people have to die 😔
We call for peace, always!
Listening post is underrated
"There are many lies spoken during a war, even more before one. That is how they start." ~The Book Of Brin (Age of Swords by Michael J. Sullivan)
Hello. You have a copy of that?
@@theb-factor yes, a mass market paperback edition
I wish Aljazeera was available in Kenya in a free to air tv channel just like France 24
I can't stop laughing
That Tunisia man need to know Africa is one ✊ we are one people and no black and white
No, are not one; he has every right to reject black Africans from entering his Nation (even as a transit) and black Africans should come to terms with this.
I'm a black African and I really don't care
I wonder who Victoria Nuland talked to there? What is the US stake in this? 🤔🤔
Noland talks to herself, the same way Biden foes...
Prayer answers, let's be praying for Sudanese as mark 12:31,yes john 15:7 john 5:17 intervenes for peace harmony,by praying for others,wherever we are whichever country we belong to,gets praying and blessing amen
Africa leadership they never learn and don’t know when to let go off power
The price of not appreciating what you have. AL Bashir is gone and peace is no where. what a pity..
The big mistake done by these generals was the delayment of transition of leadership to the citizens on time after the fall of albashir. All of them are not good leaders . Sudan to return back in normal situation as it was not easy. Something must be done , they all have to be aside of politics, they should remain as generals in sudanese army not otherwise.
What's normal for Sudan? Sudan has been at war since the 60s
The last time Sudan had a Civilian is 1989. Al-Bashir evn abolished the Prime Minister position during his troubled regime. Sudan presents a case to the AU to know what level of foolishness and immaturity AU accommodates.
@@theb-factor
The elite sons of Khartoum destroyed other regions of Sudan and were content to see millions die in South Sudan, Blue Nile, Nuba Mountains and Darfur, so this is a case of chickens coming home to roost
God belssd you Africa peple 🙏🙏🙏🙏😊
And when one wins, their second in command or underling will press their demand in threat of another civil war. This is the old song of Africa
وَمَن یَقۡتُلۡ مُؤۡمِنࣰا مُّتَعَمِّدࣰا فَجَزَاۤؤُهُۥ جَهَنَّمُ خَـٰلِدࣰا فِیهَا وَغَضِبَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَیۡهِ وَلَعَنَهُۥ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُۥ عَذَابًا عَظِیمࣰا
[An-Nisa’: 93]
There is a distinct difference in the look of the South Sudan people and the Sudan people. No one wants to talk about the ethnic cleansing and demographic manipulation by the Arabs over the centuries. Most (at least those in charge) look Arab or Arab mix. The irony of the Tunisian President accusing sub-Saharan Africans of invading his country, when this is what Arabs have been doing in Africa for millennia...
These resistant groups are who UN needs to provide protection for.
Because they are doing the literal footwork for a civilian democracy.
Deja-vu in Arica once again , and to think that the largest UN mission is actually present in the country with a very large budget , but of course rendered useless when their is no security in place for its staff on the ground and when If ? the UN Is forced to intervein with example an intervention force , watch the UN security council rendered unfit for purpose as and when they call for a vote , with the usual suspect Russia veto , of course it is now common knowledge that the Russian preferred winner in all of this , is the RSF and their win, fully guarantees them their lucrative Gold contracts and Red Sea port for their military ships , and to ensure that happens Putin has his boots on the ground , aka the Wagner group , which means Putin will do all he can to keep out anyone who threatens his interests in Sudan ! will the international community allow that to happen ?
Don't involve Russia.Irs just the stupidity and foolishness of the Sudanese generals.
Focus on Ukraine and let Africans sort out their differences.
its hurting, while both sy "Allahu Akbar" but still kep fighting each other.. what does this indication leading to???
😉 How nice that Wagner Group is there already because Sudanese gold mines don't dig themselves.
Gold smuggled to US Quad Allie UAE, very nice, indeed. The gold doesn't smuggle and launder itself.
🕵 This is reported by Al Jazeera, France, Sky, First Post: Wagner Group is guarding mines and funneling Sudanese gold back to Russia to finance war in Ukraine. They're also the ones supporting RSF with missiles.
How is it possible that the camel trader with Libya is suddenly ranked as a general in an army😳 excuse me but what am I missing here ? Oh well this is Sudan, my birthplace where anything can happen even a sudden war in the capital city. All what I really want to say please stop the madness and let us have peace and this request goes directly to God who only can make it happen 🙏🙏🙏🙏
God not exist
It is possible if Allah wills...Mombasa/Kenya.....may Allah save Sudan and let their population be guided by Righteous elders and Not internet youths
giving a palamiritary force so much power in the first place was the first mistake,,,,you cannot have to armies in a country...now every side has resources ....all i wish is the best for the sudanesse people
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Pray for Sudan
The two generals are hired one by the west the other one is by Russia, ppl of Sudan will pay the price
@AlJazeera -- QUESTION -- Since you're making a big deal abt Tunisia ... Can you PLEASE tell me the difference between What's happening in Tunisia & the rest of gulf Muslim nations ( including QATAR) when it comes to freedoms / rights ( various religious worship / expression liberties ) & racism/colorism ?????
I don't know which intelligence organisation is working out ther they are very sharp be aware of that
Do you know what pieces is
when will the world have peace on each country😢😢its so sad and it hurts the feeling seing those people suffering from those political crisis
why cant people live in a peceful place😢😢😢😢😢i really feel sad seing those peoplw fleing their house😢😢😢😢😢😢
Tunisia is entitled to have concerns
If they can accept Israel as it is, they will also learn to accept Russia as a beloved friend in no time. Urrah
Yeah, for sure Russia and Wagner Group are friends to Sudanese gold mines.
They can't see through their Hypocrisy and they'll never condemn Israel.
@@pohanahawaii Yeah, sure the US is a big supporter of the Russian naval base in Sudan.
@@ThisNinjaSays_ : 🕵 According to reports Al Jazeera, France, Sky, First Post, etc., Wagner is guarding mines and funneling Sudanese gold back to Russia to finance war in Ukraine. They're also the ones supporting RSF with missiles.
I would Love To Share My Thoughts about The Two Leaders Of The Conflict ,
I Believe , we Believe, 3 Of Us , IN ! The same Thoughts .
Just one suggestion, could be a solution to keep on dividing the country in North, East and West Sudan, as it is already South Sudan. Then Central Sudan will be a little country with less power and will face the risk of fighting with other army of each new country. This way instead of having 75,000 or more than 100.000 abandon the country as refugee you will have soldiers well trained with EU new fancy weapons, for exmple. Why I'm speaking this way? Because for war gevernments always find money but to help people ofcourse not. War is a business. With my method at least people will have a chance to die fighting for they land. This way EU and other developed countries will have their benefits without being part of that war. As usual. When education will have a shot?
Just called that group RPD Janjaweed
Where haven't gone protesters whose protested against Umar al Bashir, maybe haven't gone to his home towns to west😢
Surprise by how many foreigners live in Sudan. Go fourth mellenials, we are so sick and tired of those old age politics.
Gold Mines are involved… meaning this is serious…
Donkey will be a donkey .
Tupac ( only god can judge me) he set war through color and now they say the war is about language.
They are saving resource for the future they will come back when other countries are resource less
Thank you for yet another inspiring episode. I just wish the EU top management watch this programme! They should be humbled.
Like why?
EU will obviously want to have good relationship with Israel
@@anshuraj4277 At the expense of Palestinian people...
@@MSMS-ug3zu
Every country works in self interest
Israel is here to stay and it is really successful no matter what
@@anshuraj4277 Israel's place was in Europe. It is created by the survivors of WWll because of attempted genocide of them in Europe not Palestine. But of course Europe was not going to give over land to a Jewish state.
@@shooster5884
They won the war, plus it was under British control
They too have story of Romans taking away their state
Also.. Why can't Arabs with all the money compete with them
agriculture, imported food is the worst country in the world , you need education ministers, that land is for agriculture no not for mining.
Countries can live only by agriculture
Sudan president prime minister will educate sudanese to live peacefully by farming and other tradition work and never help RSF export import business.
Contact UN and save all local sudanese country men, children and women.
Poor sudanese have no body to save them.
Political protectionfor Sudan first, vote for ministers confidence votes for existing goverment and then sudanese court send begger briber Hemedti warning to leave Sudan. Hemedti, Get out alone of Sudan.
This is the result when the greediness was a first priority than to progress of a country...
Does your neighbour care for you ❤️
Sudanese must make the choice between their regular army and the janjaweed. Iniquities against the darfur population should be investigated and the culprits brought to justice
You mean the choice between Devil and Deep Sea ;
Desert blooming is clearly a metaphor. Aljazeera doesn't get metaphors.
Sudan is a enigma .
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If I was president. I would give up. My. Position. To help my people and to. Prevent them to suffer because one day one time every president and King and Queen no one will last forever as humans we are weak old age comes sickness then end of your life
7:37. Brooo so true hemiti died 23 times acoordimg to my grandpa and parents and facebooks 😂😂
Very very terrible 😔 war exactly 🤏🏾
Maybe they think they will be able to take this power to the grave SubhanAllah
Killing their own brothers and sisters for what They should be ashamed
Even worse they are scream the name of Allah swt as if they are fighting for His cause
SHAME ON YOU.
spot on sister, they started fighting in RAMADAN when people were fasting and it close to lailatul qadir and they called themselves muslim very sad, may Allah protect the innocent civilians Ameen yarabbi
What was the name of the Palestinians King or leaders before Yassir Arafat?
All Sudans🇸🇩are black Africans. The name Arab just is a brand name like Nike. Sudan🇸🇩's military generals (tribal Warlord Himiti) are heading to blindly disintegrate 🇸🇩Sudan for their zero sum game. unfortunately, Sudans 🇸🇩have long way go....inshaAlaah get better soon🙏🌿🇸🇴💙🇸🇩🌿🌿
Al Jazeera news!
Let's get real Israel has always been the Land given by the God of the Bible to Israel, it has always been theirs. Palestinians should simply live with them.
Tsk tsk
they kind of look like a sick version of the Mario brothers only they are the ones kidnapping the princess ... mamma f**king mia.
Be careful of scammers
It's time to get rid of all the dictators
Who is that guy?
The "war" that began in Sudan
What "something" is likely to happen in Tunisia Is it relevant...?
物事はThenをしっかりと理解していなければ
Nowを解くことはとてもとても難しい。
i cannot understand now without knowing then.
You cannot understand now without knowing then.
We cannot understand now without knowing then.
In this day and age, set the stage early
Early human resource development and production
Aren't you missing the truth....?
Let the Sudanese come to the Streets today in Khartoum
Is this war about color or language
Its not a civil war in sudan , both parties have zero popular support.
You have to know that all of sudanist don't want to war each other, we need peace, we need food, healty care, housing, if you are not to full fil those, you are only crazy leader.....
This is what happens when African Politicians overstay in Power. Uganda and Rwanda will be next in East Africa.
You know nothing about East Africa. East Africa will rise
the Answer is: UAE is behind all the media hype in favor of the Janjaweed leader known as Hemaidti
✊✊masai love yes💪🌎💪
should spread awareness that conflict like this is haram and one side should back down in the name of peace.
2 political armies debating with bullets. Imagine this being the way to vote lol 😂😂😂😂 democracy with bullets
What are going on in Sudan, are not going well for Africa.
You mean just Sudan or countries in that region, and not the entire continent. What is happening in Sudan is a totally contrast in what is happening in Botswana, Namibia, Tanzania, Ghana, Senegal, among many other countries.
I love how one minute with the Tunisia story you say people who disagree with you "shouldn't have a platform" and then later cry about freedom of speech as if you actually respect that principal. You're just mad a radical left authoritarian government isn't in control of Tunisia. Also, I respect the president of Tunisia. Tunisia for Tunisians.
I agree with you, aljazeera aways backs the brotherhoods.
Money follow the money
Sudan will be another heaven for peacekeepers 😂😂😂
@@AbdulKadir-qs4jz aate dal ka bhav malum kar pehle
Ukraine will be another haven for peacekeepers 🤪🤪🤪.
Fight for power-fighting to showings how much power eah party have. This is the normal life of the black people. Black life matter.
Fight for hegemony in Ukraine shows how much power Nato & Russia have. This is the normal life of white people. White lives matter.
Ohh my Sudanase people please you have seen how somalia has become. Don’t take that path walahi you will regret.
That’s not a civil war yet, please do not escalate please do not give wrong informations thanks
Civil war should be decided fully, one general should be completely defeated, no outside interference please😏
Tunis is the epicenter of Islamic societal evolution ... time shall tell ..
Tell me how many times the word Palestine appears in quaran? Zero. There has never been a state called palestine yet Israel has existed for thousands of years.....do your research there is nothing like occupied land.
Hemedti is Arabic for Small Mohammed 😂
This is Foolishness two African Leaders fighting each other in Sudan for so long destroying killing each other really stupid makes nosense
Sudanese identify as Arabs and are long standing members of the Arab league. The two generals are both Arab Sudanese, so please leave Africans out of this one.
Hopefully Saudi Arabia, UAE and Egypt can help them achieve peace.
@@ThisNinjaSays_ Well they're Africans too, wether you like it or not. Also this is a proxy war coming from the super powers so no good ending in sight unfortunately.
@@ThisNinjaSays_ Well they're Africans too, wether you like it or not. Also this is a proxy war coming from the super powers so no good ending in sight unfortunately.
@@idib1739 proxy or not, they're the ones killing their own people. Assuming that Arabs and Africans are somewhat innocent manipulated children without agency is down right laughable.
Whether you like it or not Arabs don't identify as Africans. Just Google what the current Tunisian president thinks of Africans in his country.