*you need to get the guys over at hornady to get some 100 rd groups shot. I think it reduces flinching and anticipation associated with muzzle blast. I'd put money the gun isn't technically more accurate. Defintely POI shift
@paleo704 it certainly won't fix a problem with a rifle or load, but it the rifle is working perfectly with a load that is optimized for it I can assure you a properly engineered and mounted silencer will almost always improve accuracy.
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I’m not sure this video proves that the suppressor makes the rifles more accurate. Some rifles has a muzzle brake on ars have flash hiders or muzzle brakes. There is nothing on the end of the barrel so not sure it is fair to say suppressor can make that much of a difference compared to rifle with muzzle brakes
If a suppressor reduces recoil equivalent to a brake, and hides flash better than a flash hider, and has the added benefit of sound reduction and concussion reduction, that seems like a huge positive.
@@SilencerShop I’m not sure how much muzzle rise it helps eliminate unless the suppressor has a brake on the end or unless it is heavy but a suppressor needs a flash hider to help mitigate flash
Cross eye dominant. I usually shot left handed rifles, but this was the gun we wanted to use for this test. I learned this technique from Kevin Owens, and its worked out well for shooting wrong-eyed. - Chase
Accuracy, typically yes theyll be some POI shift but it should be very repeatable. Precision, depends but theres usually no loss outside of a mechanical problem (loose can/mount, alignment between bore and silencer) Silencers tend me make shooting more pleasant so it helps the shooter shoot better, but sometimes silencers do just straight up tighten groups. The MK12 with the M5 is a known example of this, but its a heavy barrel with a reflex suppressor using a taper lock up so the reason is pretty clear.
Probably should have had some kind of muzzle device on that mk18 for the test to be at all relevant, no one shoots without a muzzle device of some kind.
SOOOOO much potential with this video but 1 gun and 1 suppressor does not prove things either way. Put on a proper muzzle brake on that thing and try again, otherwise, I get you are SilencerShop, (and in the business of selling cans), this video is more shilly than scientific. =) Put a good muzzle brake on those guns and those groups will probably do the same. Almost every actual suppressor designer or engineer I spoke with, leans towards the, suppressor will not make a gun more accurate, but will help you potentially extract more out of it potential.
We would largely agree with that, like mentioned in the video the silencer made the groups easier to shoot. We also want to do an expanded version of this where we could do more detailed testing. Thanks for the feedback, it is much appreciated!
From my own personal experience, shooting suppressed, accuracy increases not so much because it is suppressed. Simply because there is less recoil just like a muzzle break. What I will say, Muzzle breaks suck, especially if someone is shooting one next to you. Also if you value your own hearing the suppressor is the way to go.
@@johnsimonelli9988 true, however, I think the biggest difference is going to be, is the type of suppressor as well. There is a reason why most competitors do not use a suppressor, it absolutely changes the recoil impulse of the gun. I have a video coming up on that.
@@SlavGuns I agree, But for me I only shoot suppressed while hunting or long range shooting, Also, If I shot PRS I would probably run a break because it would make more sense for that application.
The shootability section can be quite a bit misleading. For example, if you have a muzzle break or a warcomp with upward vents, your shootability will pretty easily exceed the suppressor.
@@SilencerShop With my Mini2, I don't get the upward gasses I get with the suppressor off and just the warcomp. There is less perceived recoil through my LVPO with just the warcomp.
Comparing a suppressor vs a simple birdcage would likely see the suppressor's weight limit recoil. My warcomp's upward gasses out perform the weight of my Mini2.
They are just as accurate as firearms shot without suppressors. The only two negatives of a suppressor is, the firearm gets dirtier and it loses some range with a suppressor.
But what about pistols? Wickers Tactical did a episode about it saying and "proving" the complete opposite what you guys told... Video: Wickers Tactical "Pt 2. Shooting Suppressed with HK45"
that's just how it is with most pistol, I mean you're putting a tube that's longer and heavier than the barrel so of course it will affects more than compliment. Also the booster mechanism just makes everything questionable. only real world application for pistol is 22lr since you can actually get a suppressor shorter and lighter than the barrel it self with out the need of a booster.
Without even watching, i can certify that they make rifles more accurate
Definitely makes shooting easier!
*you
need to get the guys over at hornady to get some 100 rd groups shot. I think it reduces flinching and anticipation associated with muzzle blast. I'd put money the gun isn't technically more accurate. Defintely POI shift
Didn’t make my 5.56 more accurate
@paleo704 it certainly won't fix a problem with a rifle or load, but it the rifle is working perfectly with a load that is optimized for it I can assure you a properly engineered and mounted silencer will almost always improve accuracy.
@@carsgunsandguitars I hope you’re right.
This is a great example of how all videos should be. Straight to the point cut scenes with no unnecessary words, no rambling.
Thanks so much! We're trying to educate and entertain people, but do it without taking up too much of your time.
Need smaller shirts
There were none, we checked.
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Seems like it right now, ATF says this is the "New normal"
you gain a little bit of muzzle velocity with a suppressor too
Absolutely true!
I’m not sure this video proves that the suppressor makes the rifles more accurate. Some rifles has a muzzle brake on ars have flash hiders or muzzle brakes. There is nothing on the end of the barrel so not sure it is fair to say suppressor can make that much of a difference compared to rifle with muzzle brakes
If a suppressor reduces recoil equivalent to a brake, and hides flash better than a flash hider, and has the added benefit of sound reduction and concussion reduction, that seems like a huge positive.
@@SilencerShop I’m not sure how much muzzle rise it helps eliminate unless the suppressor has a brake on the end or unless it is heavy but a suppressor needs a flash hider to help mitigate flash
best intro on youtube by far lol
🤣🤣🤣 Thank you, we try to have fun with it!
Shirt size.
Garrett is an XL, but he only buys mediums.
Are you shooting right hand with your left eye?
Probably cross eye dominant.
Cross eye dominant. I usually shot left handed rifles, but this was the gun we wanted to use for this test. I learned this technique from Kevin Owens, and its worked out well for shooting wrong-eyed.
- Chase
Are you guys closed today, or just ghosting me like my dad?
Closed to observe the eclipse, but we'll be back in action 4/9
Accuracy, typically yes theyll be some POI shift but it should be very repeatable.
Precision, depends but theres usually no loss outside of a mechanical problem (loose can/mount, alignment between bore and silencer)
Silencers tend me make shooting more pleasant so it helps the shooter shoot better, but sometimes silencers do just straight up tighten groups. The MK12 with the M5 is a known example of this, but its a heavy barrel with a reflex suppressor using a taper lock up so the reason is pretty clear.
Good call!
Dang. Nice group! I’ve used the Nomad with an Ebrake on precision rifles and it’s been really accurate.
Nomad + E Brake is anther awesome precision rifle combo!
Probably should have had some kind of muzzle device on that mk18 for the test to be at all relevant, no one shoots without a muzzle device of some kind.
Maybe we'll test that next!
Meanwhile. Every can is sold out/backordered…
Back orders are getting filled all the time, and were working to restock everything.
SOOOOO much potential with this video but 1 gun and 1 suppressor does not prove things either way. Put on a proper muzzle brake on that thing and try again, otherwise, I get you are SilencerShop, (and in the business of selling cans), this video is more shilly than scientific. =) Put a good muzzle brake on those guns and those groups will probably do the same. Almost every actual suppressor designer or engineer I spoke with, leans towards the, suppressor will not make a gun more accurate, but will help you potentially extract more out of it potential.
We would largely agree with that, like mentioned in the video the silencer made the groups easier to shoot.
We also want to do an expanded version of this where we could do more detailed testing.
Thanks for the feedback, it is much appreciated!
@@SilencerShop thanks for the reply.
From my own personal experience, shooting suppressed, accuracy increases not so much because it is suppressed. Simply because there is less recoil just like a muzzle break. What I will say, Muzzle breaks suck, especially if someone is shooting one next to you. Also if you value your own hearing the suppressor is the way to go.
@@johnsimonelli9988 true, however, I think the biggest difference is going to be, is the type of suppressor as well. There is a reason why most competitors do not use a suppressor, it absolutely changes the recoil impulse of the gun. I have a video coming up on that.
@@SlavGuns I agree, But for me I only shoot suppressed while hunting or long range shooting, Also, If I shot PRS I would probably run a break because it would make more sense for that application.
Any estimate on cat wb 718 coming back?
No ETA right now
Depends on the harmonics of each barrel length, barrel profile/contours, free floated or not, gas system length and size of the gas port. Etc.
There are a few factors, but generally suppressors seem to be more accurate.
The shootability section can be quite a bit misleading. For example, if you have a muzzle break or a warcomp with upward vents, your shootability will pretty easily exceed the suppressor.
If a suppressor matches the performance of a brake, but gives you the added benefits of no conclusion and lower decibels, isnt that a huge win?
@@SilencerShop With my Mini2, I don't get the upward gasses I get with the suppressor off and just the warcomp. There is less perceived recoil through my LVPO with just the warcomp.
Comparing a suppressor vs a simple birdcage would likely see the suppressor's weight limit recoil. My warcomp's upward gasses out perform the weight of my Mini2.
They are just as accurate as firearms shot without suppressors. The only two negatives of a suppressor is, the firearm gets dirtier and it loses some range with a suppressor.
It doesn’t lose range actually.
It does not lose range, that is a video game fallacy. Silencers actually tend to increase velocity.
Depends on the setup.
Now do 1000 yards
Thats next!
But what about pistols? Wickers Tactical did a episode about it saying and "proving" the complete opposite what you guys told... Video: Wickers Tactical "Pt 2. Shooting Suppressed with HK45"
Its another thing to test! We're planning a pistol accuracy video down the road and we will find out.
@@SilencerShop you guys have to use a MK23 too, keep up the good work 🤝
that's just how it is with most pistol, I mean you're putting a tube that's longer and heavier than the barrel so of course it will affects more than compliment. Also the booster mechanism just makes everything questionable. only real world application for pistol is 22lr since you can actually get a suppressor shorter and lighter than the barrel it self with out the need of a booster.