Dear Dr. Brown & Dr. White, Can you help me with this? The Scripture gives no indication that Naomi was anything but a normal, healthy (mentally & emotionally stable) First Covenant Jewish woman with no reason to suppose any sexual or sinful perversion like female homosexuality. And likewise, Ruth, though a Mo-aw-bee' gentile... there is NO reason to imply female homosexuality ! THIS RATIONALE IS ABSURD ! (FORGET IT !) And the men who were the townsmen and elders were all godly, honorable men under the First Covenant ! Where, in the name of the Lord, did this mere notion come in, that Boaz & Ruth were in sex sin? Verse 3:11 states clearly, that EVERYONE in the situation (and in the town KNEW) that Ruth was a woman of excellence, of noble character, of worth... A VIRTUOUS WOMAN ! ! ! This ofcourse, means NOT a harlot, NOT an adulteress, NOT a female homosexual ! And the absurd statement that Boaz and Ruth were not properly married ? ? ? (IS THIS A PERSON DESPERATELY GRABBING AT STRAWS FOR EXCUSES FOR THEIR OWN LIFE ?) Ruth, Chapter 4, Verse 13 b, CLEARLY states... 13 So Boaz took Ruth, and she BECAME HIS WIFE, and he went in to her. (....) HOW WERE THESE TWO NOT PROPERLY JOINED IN A GODLY MARRIAGE. They certainly were not in sex sin.
Yes everyone was born into sin because of what Adam and Eve did in the garden. But everyone has a opportunity to leave their sin past behind when they give their lives to Jesus.
@zempath oh, the bible says Hebrews 12:2 KJV Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. The bible did not say looking unto another man and not even the pharisees nor the pastors but Jesus as our example and LORD and SAVIOUR. No one will stand for another on the day of judgement. Pharisees self, won't stand for their children. Let everyone hold his/her head.
*Dr. Brown is soooooo excellent in debate. Astute, right on the mark, patient with opponents, gracious. Wow! Dr. White's addressing the tossing away of what Paul wrote because he was "imperfect" was strong and skillful. Well done, Gentlemen!!!*
That was the key moment in understanding how they could arrive at their twisted conclusion. It always begins with a diluted perspective of the authority of Scripture.
Both homosexual preachers believe that Christ was a perfect man who was humiliated, tortured, crucified and sacrificed for them. However, they will not sacrifice their carnal desires for Him. How is this love?
Dr. Brown and Dr. White did an excellent job of explaining their theological arguments simply for their audience to understand, while using just the right amount of technical vocabulary to demonstrate their expertise. They were not talking over the heads of their audience in an attempt to laud their learnedness over the audience. An excellent example of good teaching.
This is one of the best debates I've ever seen on this topic. Such a wonderful balance of grace and truth here. The question is difficult not because the answer is hard to find, but because it's hard to accept. At least that's how it was for me. I know this firsthand.
I found this video to be so amazing. I used to be gay but I have been transformed by the power of Jesus's blood. It is possible for a gay person to change, it's not easy, but what in life is really. I loved the "Were" argument dr white presents because that is me,I am a "were" not I am transformed and going after God with all that is in me. I found hope in Jesus!!
Hi, I don't know if you still feel the same way you did when you posted. But, I am wondering if you have ever seen Netflix's "Pray Away"? Same-sex-attracted Christians came to realize that gay conversion was harmful. Although one can change their behaviors, they can't change their feelings. Mankind hates, not God. 1946 saw "homosexuality" inserted into the Bible. It was mistranslated. There's a trailer on TH-cam about it. Also, in 1973, homosexuality was de-classsified as a mental disorder. Humanity and human sexuality deserves the truth and love.
@@francandsex8793 considering the fact that God's standards are the same for all sin, how many will genuinely make it to heaven? Narrow is the gate and few will find it.
Beautifully done James and Michael. No emotions to interfere with the truth of the scripture. I do hope the other two will consider what the scripture says, and not how they feel in the future.
Only just watched this debate. I'm so amazed at how well Dr Brown and Dr White worked together. It was seamless, powerful, and full of grace. This is a perfect example of speaking the truth in love. Excellent.
Listening to this again, Ruth said “Young people today don’t need rules” don’t need rules!? Young people today more than ever need rules, God gave us rules and laws to live by and she’s says “they don’t need rules they need love” if you love your kids you will give them rules, guidelines and boundaries to live by and they thrive, you just have to see kids and young people who don’t have rules to know Young People Need Rules! If you love your kids you will discipline them just as God disciplines us and you know how and why to apply discipline because of rules and guidelines.
Dr. Brown and Dr. White are so brilliant and intelligently articulate in their presentations. They were on 🔥. Praise God for such men who speak the truth in love!
When people are covered by darkness... they can't understand the Scriptures... even the demons love there co-demons... unless they are really awaken by the Holy Spirit... they will see the light of the Scriptures...
Just stumbled on this debate. I was gay and hated christians. I had a friend invite me to church and I went and I was super offended. I continued going though because something was drawing me back. Eventually, I was filled with the Holy Spirit and as soon as I surrendered my life (including my sexuality) to God, He delivered me!! All same sex desires were removed and I was given new life. All of the scriptures I once hated made so much sense now and everything came together. You have to be willing to surrender everything to your very core to allow God to transform you. Base your walk with Christ on His word, not your experience and feelings.
Uggghhhh The “Ruth & Naomi were Gay” thing. They where Not! For so many reasons. And they Still! Can’t give Any examples of Homosexuality being affirmed in the Bible. 😒
There're not rightly dividing the Word. they have been taken away by their own lusts for years and prayerfully I pray that they just give God a opportunity to show them His Love and deliverance.
It went from a debate to just a QNA from the “black and white” table to the “Brown and White” table. Doctor Brown and doctor White outsmarted them on so many levels.
I have never seen anyone so comprehensively lose a debate as the affirming side here. Just reached the staggering part where Duanne admits Paul was against his position.
Just an observation. In my 58 years of life on this earth, I’ve never come across a church led by a female pastor that wasn’t liberal and did affirm homosexuality. Seems to be a problem here...
I have to say this is one of the best debates I've ever watched. Yes, one side goes with feelings and experiences and the other side uses scripture and that was very obvious. However, with the way the world is today with all the hatred and the division in America this debate, is textbook on how it's supposed to be done. The church that put this on should be commended as well it was totally professional and as a Christian it made me proud. Both sides treated their opponent, with great respect and dignity. I never heard one derogatory or mean spirited word from either side! I watched and listened to every minute. The discourse in our country right now is in the gutter and these four people made me proud, this how it is supposed to be, we may disagree but we don't demean each other and make fools of ourselves. It just shows you can stand for your convictions and faith without going in the gutter, calling names and making yourself look crazy. Well done to all four participants. Great job to Dr. Brown and Dr. White as well as Ruth and Duane though I disagreed with the affirmative side, they were absolutely respectful, courteous and professional and I commend them. God bless.
No offense, but nobody cares about your life story, Pastor (?) Ruth. Base your defense on Scripture. EDIT: To clarify, obviously we should offer empathy whenever appropriate as believers, but Ruth’s life story was irrelevant to the topic at hand.
I actually enjoyed this debate a lot and though I fully agree with James White & Michael Brown (who did an amazing job of speaking with kindness to the debaters), I actually learned a lot from the debaters. I know scripturally their arguments are wrong but I think it was great to really hear how they're feeling and where they're coming from.
As usual, truth spoken in love. Duane at the end there was really shaken by scripture. Let us know any follow up. God really moved in his heart. Nothing is impossible with God.
@k johnson you never know what the holy spirit will do with the words presented to either of the homosexual debaters and if nothing at least they gave them no excuses on judgment Day
Has anyone heard more for Duane? I am hopeful and prayerful that Dr Brown's questions about incest made him really study God's Word and God opens his eyes.
Thanks for taking time to do this and share this debate. I don’t find being part of the LGBT movement biblical but it was helpful to hear their perspectives. Thank God for movements like the freedom march and ex-lgbt testimonies on TH-cam.
For the record, do you think homosexual sex between consenting adults should be a crime under law. The way I see it, consenting adults should be able to have whatever relationship they want with each other.
Thank you doctors your arguments were rooted in the Word , you backed up your points with scripture while the others were basing their arguments on feelings. God let their hearts be changed their minds be transformed, the homosexual affirmers.
This is so sad! Those people are totally lost, the worst part is they twisted God's Word unto their own destruction. Even they've being confronted with the truth by brothers Brown & White but they remain in darkness by choice. It's heartbreaking!
Very interesting! The Holy Spirit convicts! God drew me to Him and I opened my heart and received His Son, Jesus Christ, Yeshua, the Messiah! And when He draws you, you will humble yourself and follow Him!
1:44:00 "Paul isn't our savior. Paul is an imperfect man writing imperfectly..." He straight up said divinely inspired scripture is imperfect. My jaw dropped hahahaha
I was almost breath-taken (if that's not a word it is now) by the intellectual dishonesty Robinson conveyed when he tried to accuse you of advocating for incest. It was clearer than clear that you were simply taking HIS statement to its logical conclusion and he tried to flip it on you saying "so YOU'RE saying incest is moral?" "Jesus didn't say incest was bad but Paul did." "But Paul said homosexuality was bad." "Well, Paul was imperfect." "So...why don't you apply that logic to incest then?" "Are you saying incest is moral?" No, you were asking why HE didn't think it was moral based on his own logic. It was clear as day.
SAmuel Niles ugh exactly ! I noticed that as well. Extremely consistent with that logic. Also notice he claims Paul is imperfect yet he quoted Paul multiple times throughout the debate ? I guess Paul’s words are only imperfect when they negate your narrative ?? Lol great debate
The 15 minute rebuttal has no substance to scriptural references. This comes from not studying the word to understand what they are reading. Second, love is a very big word. I ask how many of those in this homosexual life style have been wounded? And so does love becomes something that they look for and/or never fulfilled? As for being able to procreate, then why did God tell Noah to take the animals two by two and the words repeats that they were male and female, male and female...in Genesis 7 the words “male and female” reads throughout this chapter....
It is our job to love, But real LOVE ALWAYS INCLUDES the TRUTH. NOT affirming someone's sin because You don't to offend that person, or lose their friendship, LOVE MANDATES telling the TRUTH.
Any Christian that practices sin and claims God's Holy Spirit is speaking to them are not listening to God's voice but to Satan. I let scripture be my guide, not a voice. Be very careful with that.
Interesting debate, did not change my point of view on the matter, but the black pastor bringing out his skin color was a knee jerk at working the crowd.
This debate was clearly unmatched. I regret watching it even due to the length and because it was not much of a debate. I did very much enjoyed watching Dr Brown and Dr White make their arguments. They were exceptional. The affirming side had very little to say biblically. Their full argument and theology is “love”, “love God and love people.” One apologist says that God is love but progressives believe love is God which is not the same. There is a whole Bible left to learn, understand, and obey. My heart goes out to both Ruth and Duane.
1:20:15 "When the Holy Spirit reveals to me that my life is good and that I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, it sounds like you're rejecting my relationship with God and the Holy Spirit speaking to me" This woman is deluded.
You cannot separate the Old Testament from the New Testament. The two books are entwined. You have to know what you are reading and studying to understand where the Old Testament is referenced at in the New Testament. To foreshadow means to reference to something. It’s clear that many people do not read and study the Bible enough to understand the fullness of the word of God. I haven’t always understood the Bible but my relationship with God and seeking Him has opened my eyes to the deeper illumination of His word... Again for Ruth, it’s not about the sex so you said, I have to ask anyone in this lifestyle - have you fully forgiven yourself of all your pass wounds? Love, looking for love in all the wrong places. Those in this lifestyle have not fully embraced the agape love Jesus Christ, for if you did, the Holy Spirit would convict you and you’d turn from your sin, whatever your sin would be.
Slavery is a legitimate institution in the bible and at no point is slavery deemed wrong, again in the bible. If you think slavery is wrong then why is being a homophobe right?
Esko Elmwood Then you didn’t read the Bible with clear understanding to understand slavery or homosexual activities. I am not homophobic. I love all people and hate to see anyone fall prey to the devil’s plans. Once again, those in this lifestyle have fortified their legacies and erased who they are when they die. They leave nothing when they die. When they die so does their dreams and aspirations. They can’t produce seed (children, mankind) to replenish the earth. This was God’s commandment given to his creation of male and female. Then he sealed the deal in union as in marriage when he male cleaved to the woman and left mother and father (parents) to be as one. Pray and ask God to reveal His truth. He will unwrap His word for your understanding and lead you to those who can help you understand completely the word. Find a good Holy Ghost filled person who can teach you truth. So please no homophobia here. Just God’s truth!
@@LindaIBrown If you are not a supporter of slavery then you do not agree with the words written in the bible. so why cherry pick what you want to believe or not believe from book like that? There are dozens of verses speaking about how to treat slaves, and when you should beat them, how to go about selling your daughters into slavery. The book is disgusting by today's standards. If taken in the context of the times then yes it is absolutely normal, but we don't live in times of illiteracy. Finally to read passages like those found in Timothy and come away with anything other than a direct reference to how the bible supports an institution that has been amended in the constitution as a crime against humanity, you are lying to yourself. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is none of your business. What creator god that is capable of making the universe would give a crap about how people have sex. The would is full of much bigger issues that have put humanity in imminent danger, such as human trafficking, or natural disasters.
Esko Elmwood you are misinformed and there’s no cherry picking about how God feels about homosexuality or any other sexual sin which changes the order of His human creation. My suggestion, that you truly seek God on ALL His word and not pick and chose what is comfort for your flesh. Pray first before you read the Bible, and find you a good place to truly learn, research and study the word of God. You are misinformed. The subject is homosexuality according to God’s word. Be careful what you focus on that divides you. God bless and I pray you find peace and truth in God.
Should we continue to live in sin so grace can abound even more? I commend Dr brown and Mr white for their patience and love. But I cannot believe that this is what is being debated.
Debates like this area absolutely needed in today's day and age. There are millions of LGBTQ folks around the world that are being deceived. Debates such as this are hopeful to that community. Hopefully God will open their eyes to the truth and the Holy Spirit will start his gentle work in their lives.
I agree, but also in a way I can relate to the lgbtq , I have always struggled with addiction like really bad, and Iv fallen back after being delivered in a miraculous way , but I eventually fell back , what I’ve learned is they are kinda both right , you don’t agree with the sin but first step is admitt it to God but honestly, on your knees crying, I now see that I need to learn but on my time or Gods time for each of us , some people change completely right away but some backslide and I feel those are the ones who really understand Gods love and Jesus Christ saving power, he can change us
The LGBTQ debaters call Jesus their Lord and Savior, but to call Him Lord is to truly submit to His Authority. Jesus has not only been with the Father since eternity past but is also equal to and has always been in perfect agreement and unity with the Father. Thus, since the Father has spoken against homosexuality as an act of sin, and since the prophets and Apostles are God's messengers who are not bringing their own word but the Word of God through His direct voice and through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, operating in Godly Authority, being Commissioned by Jesus Christ, then Jesus has spoken very plainly on this when this is read and understood in its full and proper context. For Jesus to be your Lord and Savior, you first have to repent and put your trust in Him, following and obeying Him. If there is not full submission to His perfect Way, living a life of daily repentance and warring against your flesh, then there is no Messianic Lordship. That doesn't mean you'll be sinless, but it does mean you'll fight against it and not swim in sin, though you may fall in a proverbial puddle at times as you struggle in the Spirit to overcome the things your flesh wars for. If Jesus is not your Lord then He's not your Savior either. You can't defiantly choose to do whatever you want, regardless of God's instruction, command and demand, and yet count yourself amongst God's Number, nor would you want to, if you are truly in Him. His desires will become your desires; the closer you get to the LORD, and the more beautiful He becomes to you, the less you'll want to do that which is displeasing to Him. The glory of the LORD will steadily become more glorious than your most tempting of temptations to the point that they are less and less tempting because you have something much better in Christ and because it pleases you to please Him. Christ is also the originator of the OT...not just the NT. In fact, Jesus said that all of Scripture points to Him, and the death and resurrection of Christ is the story of the entire OT, displayed through so many types and shadows, it's deafening. This is willful rejection of the Word of God and actually fulfills the prophecies of Romans 1 and Jeremiah 17:9. Feelings can be misleading, deceitful and wrong. What matters is what's TRUE. JESUS is The Truth, and He speaks loudly throughout all of Scripture. Please don't ignore His voice. Hear Him and obey...even when it hurts. Judgement hurts much worse.
Actually pretty scary how someone can wax eloquent to justify living in sin, quoting scriptures and sound sincere. The Bible says there are deceiving spirits speaking and the Devil can dress up in the light.
It is Jewish custom that the first born after a widow marries another of the clan is given to honor the dead husband so his legacy goes on. That is why Ruth and Boaz gave their first born child to Naomi so she can raise the child for her son, Ruth's first husband.
Nothing is wrong with a daughter in law to take care of her widowed Mother in law. Any one who values family and gets along with their in laws will do this. These are values that are slowly dying out.
@@countryhome7668 Because these values are dying out, people can only see sex as being why you would care about another person. I've had to rediscover some of our lost values myself in adulthood, because they were not taught to me growing up. Our culture is headed towards collapse.
The Lord gives us the power to resist the devil--rebuke him and he must go-resist and he will flee--not saying he won;t come back-but-just keep resisting and rebuking all in Jesus name!! Praise the Lord for Loving us!!
God loves all people because he created us.. He loves us so much that he tells us what is condemned in his holy presence. Giving us all a chance to live for eternal in his kingdom. The only marriage God expects from us is one with him. That way when the time comes, we wont miss our bride. God Bless!
So because I prayed for God to take away my homosexual feelings and it didn't go away, then I should just live with it and assume God accepted that to be good? Really? That could be applied to pedophilia or pornography, so let's just create a church for mastubators and pedophiles to show that God loves them then, cuz many of them didn't choose it either. This is ridiculous!
Pastor Robinson is embarrassing himself. He doesn't have to have the same level of education as everyone else, but at least know what you're talking about. Yikes!
It's amazing how people can debate an issue that is so obviously wrong in the Bible. It goes on to show how people want the word of God to conform to their desires or feelings.
I couple minutes in to the very first opener... SMH SMH SMH. Never used the word "Obediance"? Yikes. Wonderful, exepliary job done by Dr. Brown and Dr. White. Hallelujah!
The tough debate...change is not easy..I not gay but i see my weaknesses clinging to me cause of my own stubbornness...now to accept my weakness and believe they are my strengths would be delusional
It's not a matter of being prepared but just the fact that it's impossible to justify homosexuality with the Bible. Even the so called reverend Ruth seemed to not know how to answer some questions because the Bible interprets itself.
I pray for Dwayne and Ruth to see the Truth in the Scripture and to change their minds (repent) and to give them the strength to obey what Truth says. I am sure it would be very hard for Ruth, if she decides to follow the Truth and not just her feelings, to separate from her partner of 30 years, but with God all things are possible. It is only grievous for the moment, but joy comes after.
Ruth and Dwayne have been living this way for so long they just can't phantom,that God Almighty would say their wrong. (The very Word) because they're Pastors and preach the Word and they do not rightly divide the Word, they live by their feelings.The love that they speak of is Perverted Love. I pray that the Holy Spirit has convicted them and they have chose repentance.
I appreciate the way all the participants conducted themselves, even the lady who based her arguments on personal experience and emotion rather than Biblical teaching. In fact I think Drs. Brown and White showed great respect and warmth, setting an example to all Christians and reminding us that God loves all of us and offers all of us forgiveness and redemption.
They put 2 of the best apologist out there filled with the Holy Spirit to defend their faith. The way they articulated their defense with love and respect its beyond words. Dr Brown and Dr. White are possible the last of the mohicans.
So do we see that Romans is the truth when it says that God will give them over to a reprobated mind, which means the inability to discern right from wrong...This is so evident during the question and answer portion of the debate...It was so obvious that the gay affirming side lacked moral sense and rationale by their own words...
I am impressed (and a bit saddened) by the affirmative’s capacity to keep arguing without thoughts or arguments and while repeatedly contradicting themselves, and I am even more impressed with the negative’s patience through it.
Did the first speaker really say: "I know I'm a sinner and praise God for that, because that's why Jesus died on the cross for me"? Appalling, literally.
At the 155 mark.. That's what I've been saying all along, Ruth! It is The Holy Spirit of God that will convict you (not condemn) of living a life that is contrary to how you were designed. We can receive Jesus while practicing homosexuality but we will not practice homosexuality for very long once we have been born again because The Holy Spirit WILL (not if) begin a work in us that leads us away from homosexuality. Our very own bodies testify against us when we act contrary to their design and the Holy Spirit absolutely causes us to eventually be convicted for homosexuality on a spiritual level. That is two witnesses, Ruth, and therefore it is established. That's why when you tried to pin down dr. Brown with your "the Holy Spirit told me".. "you cant tell me God didn't tell me this", Doctor Brown very gracefully and gently let you expose yourself as not having the Holy Spirit of God within you. How did he do that? By merely stating that the Holy Spirit does not contradict the truth of scripture. It is love to speak the truth in a loving kind way and that's exactly what dr. Brown did for you. Love does not mean to allow. Love requires a scalpel not a machete. Dr. Brown and dr. White, you both did a tremendous job. I am going to eventually talk about this debate. May you live a long life.
We are ALL sinners. No one is blameless. We were brought by the kindness of God, believing in Christ dying for our sins and resurrection from death. God's gospel brought those who a believe by His amazing grace. We are forgiven our wrong doing. We as Christians still struggle but we get up and repent. Our job is not to judge but show the kindness of God which leads to repentance.
Very gracious debate, but you can see that the inconsistencies by the affirming side have to rely on their feelings or manipulation of the Word to justify what’s clearly identified as sin, they’re not carful with the Word. It’s what all sinners do to justify living in their sins. Salvation and hence grace was freely given through justice against sin not in spite of it, it was given at a very high price.
The tag team by the color brothers, Doctor Brown and Doctor White, was vicious. To me, it is irrefutable. It seems like the argument for homosexuality in the bible cannot stand because there are scriptures that clearly condemn it and acknowledge it as a sin. It's true that God loves everyone. Even the people that are not saved. And we know that those who are not saved will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Deep Deep talk. But good conversation that I think a lot of people need to hear.
I find it strange that they know nothing about the theology of things, they go only by feels. They can't argue the Bible at all, but they want to argue something they've only studied by ignoring everything that doesn't work for their argument. The scariest part for me of the two people on the right is that the scripture says "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment" James 3:1. These folks are the blind leading the blind and keeping them blind. The lady even alluded to the universalist idea that any religion is a way to God. These guys simply are way out of their depth. Not because they aren't debaters, but because they don't really know the Word. He can memorize all He wants, but clearly he is following the gospel of feelings not Christ.
Lgbt speaker talk about their feelings. I know, I feel and just simply do not believe in the bible but myself. If God constantly talk to you and ask you to continue to sin. You need to know if the voice is from the devil not God.
agreeee....the voice of God is to repent ...i will be careful if people hear God voice that can be demonic.....if u want to hear God....read the bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Satan is so cunning Thank you Jesus for Dr James and Dr Michael Thank you Jesus for those ladies in those days, who even at 35, 39 had not seen any man saying 'how are you or you are beautiful' but through prayer and deliverance, their stories changed. Thank you Jesus for those lady that when she was 35yrs old, she was not menstruating but started it even on deliverance ground. Thank you God for being their help
Dr Brown sir you should of been hard on them you could of said god doesn't contradict himself he can't lie he can't promise something and not full fill it's clear as day if they don't not have a strong convection from the lord then they are lost that goes for me and for everyone. 1 john 2:19 is clear it said they went out from us but they were not of us. Simple if they break bread in their own assembly and the assembly knows about her life style then they are all under judgment maybe god wants them to repent if they don't then they will have a rude awaking
Phew! I watched it all! I’ve saved it as I’ll have to watch again, to take some Bible ref’ notes and buy the books. None so blind as cannot see. I’d be interested to know from the good doctors, who Ruth was REALLY hearing from, that then affirmed her sexuality and validated her lifestyle? Dr. Brown almost touched on it when he responded to her at one point, by saying, “..and what if I said the Holy Spirit within me is saying you are wrong.?” (Or words to that effect). Yep. Subtle deception indeed.
I wonder if Ruth believes it’s possible for Satan to twist conviction into Condemnation. Maybe God has tried to convict her of her Sins regarding her Homosexuality but she rejects it because it’s been twisted into condemnation.
To clarify during the last cross examination from the affirmative side about Jesus and Paul's words, everything Paul taught was direct revelation from Jesus Himself. Galatians 1:12. So even despite his words being Holy Spirit inspired, they were also technically Jesus's words, except for the 2 or 3 times Paul said he speaks of himself, not a command of the Lord.
Dr White and Dr Brown are brilliant. Just watching this now, and I keep thinking of how it would look if I had gone head to head in golf against Tiger Woods in his prime.
Great debate. Only one side of the debate really sought to present the actual teaching of the Bible. The other side had to stretttttch and twiiist things in order to avoid what the Bible says about homosexuality. The idea that the book of Ruth is an explicit endorsement of lesbianism is frankly absurd. It is someone’s desperate attempt to find something and, when it isn’t there, simply declaring that it is. And the assertion that we must only use lexicons that are a hundred years old (as if we haven’t learned anything about Koine Greek in the last century) is also a terrible position to take. It comes down to this: The Bible condemns homosexuality over and over and it never once endorses it. Not one time. Having said all that, I genuinely appreciated the politeness of both sides.
This was an excellent debate and as much as I'm not a huge fan of Whites theological viewpoint (calvinism) in many matters, I very much enjoyed listening to him in this debate. I loved how Dr Brown and Dr White were loving while also being bluntly honest about the truth of scripture. Thank all four of yall for being willing to come together for this debate. It's a tough subject and most would not be willing to lovingly debate it.
The one side relies heavily on feelings, the other side relies on the Word of God. It is so important to study the scriptures.
Dear Dr. Brown & Dr. White,
Can you help me with this?
The Scripture gives no indication that Naomi was anything but a normal, healthy (mentally & emotionally stable) First Covenant Jewish woman with no reason to suppose any sexual or sinful perversion like female homosexuality. And likewise, Ruth, though a Mo-aw-bee' gentile... there is NO reason to imply female homosexuality ! THIS RATIONALE IS ABSURD !
(FORGET IT !)
And the men who were the townsmen and elders were all godly, honorable men under the First Covenant !
Where, in the name of the Lord, did this mere notion come in, that Boaz & Ruth were in sex sin?
Verse 3:11 states clearly, that EVERYONE in the situation (and in the town KNEW) that Ruth was a woman of excellence, of noble character, of worth... A VIRTUOUS WOMAN ! ! ! This ofcourse, means NOT a harlot, NOT an adulteress, NOT a female homosexual !
And the absurd statement that Boaz and Ruth were not properly married ? ? ?
(IS THIS A PERSON DESPERATELY GRABBING AT STRAWS FOR EXCUSES FOR THEIR OWN LIFE ?)
Ruth, Chapter 4, Verse 13 b, CLEARLY states...
13 So Boaz took Ruth,
and she BECAME HIS WIFE,
and he went in to her. (....)
HOW WERE THESE TWO NOT PROPERLY JOINED IN A GODLY MARRIAGE.
They certainly were not in sex sin.
I just love the chemistry between brother Brown and James white. How they seamlessly transition between each other. Love the brotherly love in Christ.
I see what you did there
Fantastic debate Dr. Brown and Dr. White. Thank you for standing up for the truth!
""Im born this way" That is why you need to be born again
AmenToThat
Yes everyone was born into sin because of what Adam and Eve did in the garden. But everyone has a opportunity to leave their sin past behind when they give their lives to Jesus.
Well put.
@zempath - and here you are, with your "understanding" of pharisees! We've come full circle.
@zempath oh, the bible says Hebrews 12:2 KJV
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The bible did not say looking unto another man and not even the pharisees nor the pastors but Jesus as our example and LORD and SAVIOUR. No one will stand for another on the day of judgement. Pharisees self, won't stand for their children. Let everyone hold his/her head.
*Dr. Brown is soooooo excellent in debate. Astute, right on the mark, patient with opponents, gracious. Wow! Dr. White's addressing the tossing away of what Paul wrote because he was "imperfect" was strong and skillful. Well done, Gentlemen!!!*
That was the key moment in understanding how they could arrive at their twisted conclusion. It always begins with a diluted perspective of the authority of Scripture.
You know something is wrong when someone defends unbiblical positions by saying "God said to me....."
🤣🤣🤣 RIGHT Lol!
Do we need to explain why the proud drunk church isn't ok?
Both homosexual preachers believe that Christ was a perfect man who was humiliated, tortured, crucified and sacrificed for them. However, they will not sacrifice their carnal desires for Him. How is this love?
Excellent point
This Chris fella seems pretty awesome! 😉
could not have said this better
Are you expected to leave your heterosexual orientation for Christ ?! Then why should they ?!
@@vigorvitales We are not expected to leave it, we are expected to be heterosexual. That's what the Bible teaches.
Dr. Brown and Dr. White did an excellent job of explaining their theological arguments simply for their audience to understand, while using just the right amount of technical vocabulary to demonstrate their expertise. They were not talking over the heads of their audience in an attempt to laud their learnedness over the audience. An excellent example of good teaching.
Let's all just be real here. Sinners will find excuses to keep sinning, Nuff said.
So, you do not sin or struggle?
This is one of the best debates I've ever seen on this topic. Such a wonderful balance of grace and truth here. The question is difficult not because the answer is hard to find, but because it's hard to accept. At least that's how it was for me. I know this firsthand.
I found this video to be so amazing. I used to be gay but I have been transformed by the power of Jesus's blood. It is possible for a gay person to change, it's not easy, but what in life is really. I loved the "Were" argument dr white presents because that is me,I am a "were" not I am transformed and going after God with all that is in me. I found hope in Jesus!!
Hi, I don't know if you still feel the same way you did when you posted. But, I am wondering if you have ever seen Netflix's "Pray Away"? Same-sex-attracted Christians came to realize that gay conversion was harmful. Although one can change their behaviors, they can't change their feelings. Mankind hates, not God. 1946 saw "homosexuality" inserted into the Bible. It was mistranslated. There's a trailer on TH-cam about it. Also, in 1973, homosexuality was de-classsified as a mental disorder. Humanity and human sexuality deserves the truth and love.
Praise God❤️
@@francandsex8793 i think he means that he resists the temptation
@@francandsex8793 not many
@@francandsex8793 considering the fact that God's standards are the same for all sin, how many will genuinely make it to heaven? Narrow is the gate and few will find it.
Beautifully done James and Michael. No emotions to interfere with the truth of the scripture. I do hope the other two will consider what the scripture says, and not how they feel in the future.
Only just watched this debate. I'm so amazed at how well Dr Brown and Dr White worked together. It was seamless, powerful, and full of grace. This is a perfect example of speaking the truth in love. Excellent.
Listening to this again, Ruth said “Young people today don’t need rules” don’t need rules!? Young people today more than ever need rules, God gave us rules and laws to live by and she’s says “they don’t need rules they need love” if you love your kids you will give them rules, guidelines and boundaries to live by and they thrive, you just have to see kids and young people who don’t have rules to know Young People Need Rules! If you love your kids you will discipline them just as God disciplines us and you know how and why to apply discipline because of rules and guidelines.
Dr. Brown and Dr. White are so brilliant and intelligently articulate in their presentations. They were on 🔥. Praise God for such men who speak the truth in love!
When people are covered by darkness... they can't understand the Scriptures... even the demons love there co-demons... unless they are really awaken by the Holy Spirit... they will see the light of the Scriptures...
One verse that sums it up, " I Do Not Change"
Just stumbled on this debate. I was gay and hated christians. I had a friend invite me to church and I went and I was super offended. I continued going though because something was drawing me back. Eventually, I was filled with the Holy Spirit and as soon as I surrendered my life (including my sexuality) to God, He delivered me!! All same sex desires were removed and I was given new life. All of the scriptures I once hated made so much sense now and everything came together. You have to be willing to surrender everything to your very core to allow God to transform you. Base your walk with Christ on His word, not your experience and feelings.
Amen! I recommend you watch clean the class w dr. Doug weis
The most disturbing part of this to me is that they are “pastors”
Uggghhhh The “Ruth & Naomi were Gay” thing. They where Not! For so many reasons. And they Still! Can’t give Any examples of Homosexuality being affirmed in the Bible. 😒
There're not rightly dividing the Word. they have been taken away by their own lusts for years and prayerfully I pray that they just give God a opportunity to show them His Love and deliverance.
Also her assertion that Ruth slept with Boaz out of wedlock and conceived a child 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ I think you need to reread the story, lady.
I have no idea how she could possibly even get that from the story
PeopleWillGoToAllLengthsToDefendTheirSin.
Good to see these sober men of God in the fear of the Lord on this important topic.
It went from a debate to just a QNA from the “black and white” table to the “Brown and White” table.
Doctor Brown and doctor White outsmarted them on so many levels.
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I have never seen anyone so comprehensively lose a debate as the affirming side here. Just reached the staggering part where Duanne admits Paul was against his position.
I’m grateful for God and thanks for true holy bible we believe🙏 thank you Dr.Brown and Dr.White you both are gift of God to teaching us 🙏🇮🇱♥️
Just an observation. In my 58 years of life on this earth, I’ve never come across a church led by a female pastor that wasn’t liberal and did affirm homosexuality. Seems to be a problem here...
Brown and White presented the absolute truth with love, compassion and grace.
I love when ppl can be civil and talk to each other
I have to say this is one of the best debates I've ever watched. Yes, one side goes with feelings and experiences and the other side uses scripture and that was very obvious. However,
with the way the world is today with all the hatred and the division in America this debate, is textbook on how it's supposed to be done. The church that put this on should be commended as well it was totally professional and as a Christian it made me proud. Both sides treated their opponent, with great respect and dignity. I never heard one derogatory or mean spirited word from either side! I watched and listened to every minute. The discourse in our country right now is in the gutter and these four people made me proud, this how it is supposed to be, we may disagree but we don't demean each other and make fools of ourselves. It just shows you can stand for your convictions and faith without going in the gutter, calling names and making yourself look crazy. Well done to all four participants. Great job to Dr. Brown and Dr. White as well as Ruth and Duane though I disagreed with the affirmative side, they were absolutely respectful, courteous and professional and I commend them. God bless.
No offense, but nobody cares about your life story, Pastor (?) Ruth. Base your defense on Scripture.
EDIT: To clarify, obviously we should offer empathy whenever appropriate as believers, but Ruth’s life story was irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Thank you brother. I can care less about wha tf I feel or where I came from if it's in opposition to God.....
I didnt mean to put tf* auto correct....
@zempath - you win! My mind is changed! How foolish I have been!
@@Charles.Wright 😁😁😁
@zempath about what?
Great job James and Michael. You both have more patience than I.
Me too no time for these todger Dodgers and shirt lifters
@@danroach8801 wow such Christ-like love.
@@TitusJudah fair point
Well done Dr. Brown! Way to confront them in grace and truth.
I actually enjoyed this debate a lot and though I fully agree with James White & Michael Brown (who did an amazing job of speaking with kindness to the debaters), I actually learned a lot from the debaters.
I know scripturally their arguments are wrong but I think it was great to really hear how they're feeling and where they're coming from.
As usual, truth spoken in love. Duane at the end there was really shaken by scripture. Let us know any follow up. God really moved in his heart. Nothing is impossible with God.
@k johnson you never know what the holy spirit will do with the words presented to either of the homosexual debaters and if nothing at least they gave them no excuses on judgment Day
A liberal pastor unaccustomed to talking about obedience?
What a shock.
Has anyone heard more for Duane? I am hopeful and prayerful that Dr Brown's questions about incest made him really study God's Word and God opens his eyes.
Thanks for taking time to do this and share this debate. I don’t find being part of the LGBT movement biblical but it was helpful to hear their perspectives. Thank God for movements like the freedom march and ex-lgbt testimonies on TH-cam.
For the record, do you think homosexual sex between consenting adults should be a crime under law. The way I see it, consenting adults should be able to have whatever relationship they want with each other.
Techno Fan the government should not give legitimacy to perverse sexual activity.
@@technoloverish they have the free will to do whatsoever they want. It should not be made a law.
Thank you doctors your arguments were rooted in the Word , you backed up your points with scripture while the others were basing their arguments on feelings.
God let their hearts be changed their minds be transformed, the homosexual affirmers.
Well technically, the notion that the Bible is the inerrant word of God is merely a feeling too.
When an Arminian and a Calvinist agree on one thing, you better believe they are right!
I commend Michael and James for boldly upholding the truth. I pray for Dwayne and Ruth on the other side..Repent and turn to the LORD
This is so sad! Those people are totally lost, the worst part is they twisted God's Word unto their own destruction. Even they've being confronted with the truth by brothers Brown & White but they remain in darkness by choice. It's heartbreaking!
Yes, it's truly sad
It’s a study is the noetic effect of sin, that’s for sure. Our endless ability to deceive ourselves is truly astonishing.
Very interesting! The Holy Spirit convicts! God drew me to Him and I opened my heart and received His Son, Jesus Christ, Yeshua, the Messiah! And when He draws you, you will humble yourself and follow Him!
May God bless you and your loved ones, sister! Amazing Grace!! In Yeshua's mighty name!
1:44:00 "Paul isn't our savior. Paul is an imperfect man writing imperfectly..."
He straight up said divinely inspired scripture is imperfect. My jaw dropped hahahaha
I was almost breath-taken (if that's not a word it is now) by the intellectual dishonesty Robinson conveyed when he tried to accuse you of advocating for incest. It was clearer than clear that you were simply taking HIS statement to its logical conclusion and he tried to flip it on you saying "so YOU'RE saying incest is moral?"
"Jesus didn't say incest was bad but Paul did."
"But Paul said homosexuality was bad."
"Well, Paul was imperfect."
"So...why don't you apply that logic to incest then?"
"Are you saying incest is moral?"
No, you were asking why HE didn't think it was moral based on his own logic.
It was clear as day.
SAmuel Niles ugh exactly ! I noticed that as well. Extremely consistent with that logic. Also notice he claims Paul is imperfect yet he quoted Paul multiple times throughout the debate ? I guess Paul’s words are only imperfect when they negate your narrative ?? Lol great debate
The 15 minute rebuttal has no substance to scriptural references. This comes from not studying the word to understand what they are reading. Second, love is a very big word. I ask how many of those in this homosexual life style have been wounded? And so does love becomes something that they look for and/or never fulfilled? As for being able to procreate, then why did God tell Noah to take the animals two by two and the words repeats that they were male and female, male and female...in Genesis 7 the words “male and female” reads throughout this chapter....
YEHUVA bless you Dr. Brown, you are a living example of Yeshua, People be like Lions when it comes to faith, say the truth without fear.
It is our job to love, But real LOVE ALWAYS INCLUDES the TRUTH. NOT affirming someone's sin because You don't to offend that person, or lose their friendship, LOVE MANDATES telling the TRUTH.
Any Christian that practices sin and claims God's Holy Spirit is speaking to them are not listening to God's voice but to Satan. I let scripture be my guide, not a voice. Be very careful with that.
Interesting debate, did not change my point of view on the matter, but the black pastor bringing out his skin color was a knee jerk at working the crowd.
interesting observation?
@@eskoelmwood5936 I never bring mine into a debate.
This debate was clearly unmatched. I regret watching it even due to the length and because it was not much of a debate. I did very much enjoyed watching Dr Brown and Dr White make their arguments. They were exceptional. The affirming side had very little to say biblically. Their full argument and theology is “love”, “love God and love people.” One apologist says that God is love but progressives believe love is God which is not the same. There is a whole Bible left to learn, understand, and obey. My heart goes out to both Ruth and Duane.
I feel the same way. It pains me to even know that there people who called themselves preachers, defending sins.
I am so happy I found this channel! You guys are amazing.
This pro gay minister has more questions than answers.
1:20:15 "When the Holy Spirit reveals to me that my life is good and that I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, it sounds like you're rejecting my relationship with God and the Holy Spirit speaking to me"
This woman is deluded.
You cannot separate the Old Testament from the New Testament. The two books are entwined. You have to know what you are reading and studying to understand where the Old Testament is referenced at in the New Testament. To foreshadow means to reference to something. It’s clear that many people do not read and study the Bible enough to understand the fullness of the word of God. I haven’t always understood the Bible but my relationship with God and seeking Him has opened my eyes to the deeper illumination of His word...
Again for Ruth, it’s not about the sex so you said, I have to ask anyone in this lifestyle - have you fully forgiven yourself of all your pass wounds? Love, looking for love in all the wrong places. Those in this lifestyle have not fully embraced the agape love Jesus Christ, for if you did, the Holy Spirit would convict you and you’d turn from your sin, whatever your sin would be.
Do you believe slavery should be a legal institution within the united states?
Slavery is a legitimate institution in the bible and at no point is slavery deemed wrong, again in the bible. If you think slavery is wrong then why is being a homophobe right?
Esko Elmwood Then you didn’t read the Bible with clear understanding to understand slavery or homosexual activities. I am not homophobic. I love all people and hate to see anyone fall prey to the devil’s plans. Once again, those in this lifestyle have fortified their legacies and erased who they are when they die. They leave nothing when they die. When they die so does their dreams and aspirations. They can’t produce seed (children, mankind) to replenish the earth. This was God’s commandment given to his creation of male and female. Then he sealed the deal in union as in marriage when he male cleaved to the woman and left mother and father (parents) to be as one. Pray and ask God to reveal His truth. He will unwrap His word for your understanding and lead you to those who can help you understand completely the word. Find a good Holy Ghost filled person who can teach you truth. So please no homophobia here. Just God’s truth!
@@LindaIBrown If you are not a supporter of slavery then you do not agree with the words written in the bible. so why cherry pick what you want to believe or not believe from book like that? There are dozens of verses speaking about how to treat slaves, and when you should beat them, how to go about selling your daughters into slavery. The book is disgusting by today's standards. If taken in the context of the times then yes it is absolutely normal, but we don't live in times of illiteracy. Finally to read passages like those found in Timothy and come away with anything other than a direct reference to how the bible supports an institution that has been amended in the constitution as a crime against humanity, you are lying to yourself.
What people do in the privacy of their own homes is none of your business. What creator god that is capable of making the universe would give a crap about how people have sex. The would is full of much bigger issues that have put humanity in imminent danger, such as human trafficking, or natural disasters.
Esko Elmwood you are misinformed and there’s no cherry picking about how God feels about homosexuality or any other sexual sin which changes the order of His human creation. My suggestion, that you truly seek God on ALL His word and not pick and chose what is comfort for your flesh. Pray first before you read the Bible, and find you a good place to truly learn, research and study the word of God. You are misinformed. The subject is homosexuality according to God’s word. Be careful what you focus on that divides you. God bless and I pray you find peace and truth in God.
Dr. Brown & Dr. White give solid truth from scripture. They knocked the ball out of the park!
Should we continue to live in sin so grace can abound even more?
I commend Dr brown and Mr white for their patience and love.
But I cannot believe that this is what is being debated.
Debates like this area absolutely needed in today's day and age. There are millions of LGBTQ folks around the world that are being deceived. Debates such as this are hopeful to that community. Hopefully God will open their eyes to the truth and the Holy Spirit will start his gentle work in their lives.
I agree, but also in a way I can relate to the lgbtq , I have always struggled with addiction like really bad, and Iv fallen back after being delivered in a miraculous way , but I eventually fell back , what I’ve learned is they are kinda both right , you don’t agree with the sin but first step is admitt it to God but honestly, on your knees crying, I now see that I need to learn but on my time or Gods time for each of us , some people change completely right away but some backslide and I feel those are the ones who really understand Gods love and Jesus Christ saving power, he can change us
Dr White and Dr Brown are two angels send by God to preach at those two people who are lost in their sins...
The LGBTQ debaters call Jesus their Lord and Savior, but to call Him Lord is to truly submit to His Authority.
Jesus has not only been with the Father since eternity past but is also equal to and has always been in perfect agreement and unity with the Father. Thus, since the Father has spoken against homosexuality as an act of sin, and since the prophets and Apostles are God's messengers who are not bringing their own word but the Word of God through His direct voice and through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, operating in Godly Authority, being Commissioned by Jesus Christ, then Jesus has spoken very plainly on this when this is read and understood in its full and proper context.
For Jesus to be your Lord and Savior, you first have to repent and put your trust in Him, following and obeying Him. If there is not full submission to His perfect Way, living a life of daily repentance and warring against your flesh, then there is no Messianic Lordship. That doesn't mean you'll be sinless, but it does mean you'll fight against it and not swim in sin, though you may fall in a proverbial puddle at times as you struggle in the Spirit to overcome the things your flesh wars for.
If Jesus is not your Lord then He's not your Savior either. You can't defiantly choose to do whatever you want, regardless of God's instruction, command and demand, and yet count yourself amongst God's Number, nor would you want to, if you are truly in Him. His desires will become your desires; the closer you get to the LORD, and the more beautiful He becomes to you, the less you'll want to do that which is displeasing to Him. The glory of the LORD will steadily become more glorious than your most tempting of temptations to the point that they are less and less tempting because you have something much better in Christ and because it pleases you to please Him.
Christ is also the originator of the OT...not just the NT. In fact, Jesus said that all of Scripture points to Him, and the death and resurrection of Christ is the story of the entire OT, displayed through so many types and shadows, it's deafening. This is willful rejection of the Word of God and actually fulfills the prophecies of Romans 1 and Jeremiah 17:9. Feelings can be misleading, deceitful and wrong. What matters is what's TRUE. JESUS is The Truth, and He speaks loudly throughout all of Scripture. Please don't ignore His voice. Hear Him and obey...even when it hurts. Judgement hurts much worse.
How do you say God called you to be a pastor when the Bible clearly doesn't permit women to be pastors??
Actually pretty scary how someone can wax eloquent to justify living in sin, quoting scriptures and sound sincere. The Bible says there are deceiving spirits speaking and the Devil can dress up in the light.
Naomi was Ruth's mother in law. Ruth was married to Naomi's son.
And that sort of relationship would not only be homosexual, but also insestual. 🙄
It is Jewish custom that the first born after a widow marries another of the clan is given to honor the dead husband so his legacy goes on. That is why Ruth and Boaz gave their first born child to Naomi so she can raise the child for her son, Ruth's first husband.
Nothing is wrong with a daughter in law to take care of her widowed Mother in law. Any one who values family and gets along with their in laws will do this. These are values that are slowly dying out.
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I was talking about the woman's interpretation. Not my own.
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Because these values are dying out, people can only see sex as being why you would care about another person.
I've had to rediscover some of our lost values myself in adulthood, because they were not taught to me growing up. Our culture is headed towards collapse.
It's painful watching how Satan has blinded their hearts and minds. 😥 they even cried knowing they're wrong, but Satan keeps whispering in their ears.
The Lord gives us the power to resist the devil--rebuke him and he must go-resist and he will flee--not saying he won;t come back-but-just keep resisting and rebuking all in Jesus name!! Praise the Lord for Loving us!!
We must pray for them. God opens their eyes. But, God is still saving and settling people free. Look up Jackie Hill Perry, Change, etc.
May God give them the grace to resist and reject the devil and it's tactics
God loves all people because he created us.. He loves us so much that he tells us what is condemned in his holy presence. Giving us all a chance to live for eternal in his kingdom. The only marriage God expects from us is one with him. That way when the time comes, we wont miss our bride. God Bless!
Thank you so much Dr. Brown, for standing up for BIBLICAL TRUTH!!
So because I prayed for God to take away my homosexual feelings and it didn't go away, then I should just live with it and assume God accepted that to be good? Really? That could be applied to pedophilia or pornography, so let's just create a church for mastubators and pedophiles to show that God loves them then, cuz many of them didn't choose it either. This is ridiculous!
Pastor Robinson is embarrassing himself. He doesn't have to have the same level of education as everyone else, but at least know what you're talking about. Yikes!
It's amazing how people can debate an issue that is so obviously wrong in the Bible.
It goes on to show how people want the word of God to conform to their desires or feelings.
I couple minutes in to the very first opener... SMH SMH SMH. Never used the word "Obediance"? Yikes.
Wonderful, exepliary job done by Dr. Brown and Dr. White. Hallelujah!
The tough debate...change is not easy..I not gay but i see my weaknesses clinging to me cause of my own stubbornness...now to accept my weakness and believe they are my strengths would be delusional
Well said .
Wow Deweyne's argument was so bad. He came totally unprepared.
It's not a matter of being prepared but just the fact that it's impossible to justify homosexuality with the Bible. Even the so called reverend Ruth seemed to not know how to answer some questions because the Bible interprets itself.
I loved this video! So desperately needed in this time🙌
It is heartwarming to see Brown and White on the same team, despite their differences in Soteriology and Cessationism.
I pray for Dwayne and Ruth to see the Truth in the Scripture and to change their minds (repent) and to give them the strength to obey what Truth says. I am sure it would be very hard for Ruth, if she decides to follow the Truth and not just her feelings, to separate from her partner of 30 years, but with God all things are possible. It is only grievous for the moment, but joy comes after.
I agree with this prayer. My heart truly breaks for them.
'Lord, give them the courage to surrender all to You. '
Ruth and Dwayne have been living this way for so long they just can't phantom,that God Almighty would say their wrong. (The very Word) because they're Pastors and preach the Word and they do not rightly divide the Word, they live by their feelings.The love that they speak of is Perverted Love. I pray that the Holy Spirit has convicted them and they have chose repentance.
I appreciate the way all the participants conducted themselves, even the lady who based her arguments on personal experience and emotion rather than Biblical teaching. In fact I think Drs. Brown and White showed great respect and warmth, setting an example to all Christians and reminding us that God loves all of us and offers all of us forgiveness and redemption.
They put 2 of the best apologist out there filled with the Holy Spirit to defend their faith. The way they articulated their defense with love and respect its beyond words. Dr Brown and Dr. White are possible the last of the mohicans.
So do we see that Romans is the truth when it says that God will give them over to a reprobated mind, which means the inability to discern right from wrong...This is so evident during the question and answer portion of the debate...It was so obvious that the gay affirming side lacked moral sense and rationale by their own words...
zempath the text is obvious in its meaning. You have to do a lot of antics to prove the opposite.
I am impressed (and a bit saddened) by the affirmative’s capacity to keep arguing without thoughts or arguments and while repeatedly contradicting themselves, and I am even more impressed with the negative’s patience through it.
Did the first speaker really say: "I know I'm a sinner and praise God for that, because that's why Jesus died on the cross for me"? Appalling, literally.
Pastor Brown... GOD BE WITH YOU
At the 155 mark.. That's what I've been saying all along, Ruth! It is The Holy Spirit of God that will convict you (not condemn) of living a life that is contrary to how you were designed. We can receive Jesus while practicing homosexuality but we will not practice homosexuality for very long once we have been born again because The Holy Spirit WILL (not if) begin a work in us that leads us away from homosexuality. Our very own bodies testify against us when we act contrary to their design and the Holy Spirit absolutely causes us to eventually be convicted for homosexuality on a spiritual level. That is two witnesses, Ruth, and therefore it is established. That's why when you tried to pin down dr. Brown with your "the Holy Spirit told me".. "you cant tell me God didn't tell me this", Doctor Brown very gracefully and gently let you expose yourself as not having the Holy Spirit of God within you. How did he do that? By merely stating that the Holy Spirit does not contradict the truth of scripture. It is love to speak the truth in a loving kind way and that's exactly what dr. Brown did for you. Love does not mean to allow. Love requires a scalpel not a machete. Dr. Brown and dr. White, you both did a tremendous job. I am going to eventually talk about this debate. May you live a long life.
We are ALL sinners. No one is blameless. We were brought by the kindness of God, believing in Christ dying for our sins and resurrection from death. God's gospel brought those who a believe by His amazing grace. We are forgiven our wrong doing. We as Christians still struggle but we get up and repent. Our job is not to judge but show the kindness of God which leads to repentance.
Very gracious debate, but you can see that the inconsistencies by the affirming side have to rely on their feelings or manipulation of the Word to justify what’s clearly identified as sin, they’re not carful with the Word. It’s what all sinners do to justify living in their sins.
Salvation and hence grace was freely given through justice against sin not in spite of it, it was given at a very high price.
Still watching this @2019
Very educational..
2021 now
WE BEED TO BORN AGAIN IN CHRIST... SIMPLE !! ♥️📖🙂🙏
The tag team by the color brothers, Doctor Brown and Doctor White, was vicious. To me, it is irrefutable. It seems like the argument for homosexuality in the bible cannot stand because there are scriptures that clearly condemn it and acknowledge it as a sin. It's true that God loves everyone. Even the people that are not saved. And we know that those who are not saved will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Deep Deep talk. But good conversation that I think a lot of people need to hear.
I find it strange that they know nothing about the theology of things, they go only by feels. They can't argue the Bible at all, but they want to argue something they've only studied by ignoring everything that doesn't work for their argument. The scariest part for me of the two people on the right is that the scripture says "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment" James 3:1. These folks are the blind leading the blind and keeping them blind. The lady even alluded to the universalist idea that any religion is a way to God. These guys simply are way out of their depth. Not because they aren't debaters, but because they don't really know the Word. He can memorize all He wants, but clearly he is following the gospel of feelings not Christ.
Lgbt speaker talk about their feelings. I know, I feel and just simply do not believe in the bible but myself. If God constantly talk to you and ask you to continue to sin. You need to know if the voice is from the devil not God.
agreeee....the voice of God is to repent ...i will be careful if people hear God voice that can be demonic.....if u want to hear God....read the bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Satan is so cunning
Thank you Jesus for Dr James and Dr Michael
Thank you Jesus for those ladies in those days, who even at 35, 39 had not seen any man saying 'how are you or you are beautiful' but through prayer and deliverance, their stories changed.
Thank you Jesus for those lady that when she was 35yrs old, she was not menstruating but started it even on deliverance ground.
Thank you God for being their help
Love will always tell you the truth. Cause Love dont lie
Uncleanliness is the work of the flesh and no uncleanliness shall be found in the strait way
I wouldn’t want to defend the proposition “The sky is blue” against Drs. White and Brown. Trying to argue a clear heresy? Fuggetaboutit!
When he said "can we all just pull up bible hub" You're a "pastor" and don't have the word in your heart? 🤦🏽♀️
Dr Brown sir you should of been hard on them you could of said god doesn't contradict himself he can't lie he can't promise something and not full fill it's clear as day if they don't not have a strong convection from the lord then they are lost that goes for me and for everyone. 1 john 2:19 is clear it said they went out from us but they were not of us. Simple if they break bread in their own assembly and the assembly knows about her life style then they are all under judgment maybe god wants them to repent if they don't then they will have a rude awaking
Phew! I watched it all! I’ve saved it as I’ll have to watch again, to take some Bible ref’ notes and buy the books. None so blind as cannot see.
I’d be interested to know from the good doctors, who Ruth was REALLY hearing from, that then affirmed her sexuality and validated her lifestyle? Dr. Brown almost touched on it when he responded to her at one point, by saying, “..and what if I said the Holy Spirit within me is saying you are wrong.?” (Or words to that effect).
Yep. Subtle deception indeed.
I wonder if Ruth believes it’s possible for Satan to twist conviction into Condemnation. Maybe God has tried to convict her of her Sins regarding her Homosexuality but she rejects it because it’s been twisted into condemnation.
To clarify during the last cross examination from the affirmative side about Jesus and Paul's words, everything Paul taught was direct revelation from Jesus Himself. Galatians 1:12. So even despite his words being Holy Spirit inspired, they were also technically Jesus's words, except for the 2 or 3 times Paul said he speaks of himself, not a command of the Lord.
Dr White and Dr Brown are brilliant. Just watching this now, and I keep thinking of how it would look if I had gone head to head in golf against Tiger Woods in his prime.
Great debate. Only one side of the debate really sought to present the actual teaching of the Bible. The other side had to stretttttch and twiiist things in order to avoid what the Bible says about homosexuality. The idea that the book of Ruth is an explicit endorsement of lesbianism is frankly absurd. It is someone’s desperate attempt to find something and, when it isn’t there, simply declaring that it is. And the assertion that we must only use lexicons that are a hundred years old (as if we haven’t learned anything about Koine Greek in the last century) is also a terrible position to take.
It comes down to this: The Bible condemns homosexuality over and over and it never once endorses it. Not one time.
Having said all that, I genuinely appreciated the politeness of both sides.
This was an excellent debate and as much as I'm not a huge fan of Whites theological viewpoint (calvinism) in many matters, I very much enjoyed listening to him in this debate. I loved how Dr Brown and Dr White were loving while also being bluntly honest about the truth of scripture. Thank all four of yall for being willing to come together for this debate. It's a tough subject and most would not be willing to lovingly debate it.