Edit: Optimized Version of Rotation: th-cam.com/video/gbHH5R7taxg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=P6SAQQcuKhCF9xIu There are a number of small adjustments I recommend if committing to this rotation and not swapping between this and standard rotation mid-fight. One recommendation is using Fire Paradox before your Fire III proc, as it will give your Fire III proc slightly more damage and does not impact the rotation in any negative way. This is a potency gain if you are investing in this rotation fully. *However,* if you intend to swap to this rotation from the standard rotation mid encounter (or vice-versa), its important to keep in mind that this removes the ability to use a Fire III proc at the start of the next Fire Phase when realigning to the standardized rotation. You can always realign by simply skipping the Transpose and going back into the Fire Phase from the Ice Phase with a fast cast Fire III. It's recommended to do this if you intend to stay on the rotation for numerous reps to get the most out of the rotation. The reason swapping the position of the Fire Paradox and Fire III works for this rotation is because Fire Paradox does not gain additional value from being Astral Fire. Using Fire Paradox after Transpose and bumping yourself to Astral Fire II _will_ provide a small potency buff to the Fire III cast, however. Despair will be gaining the Astral Fire III damage modifier regardless, so buffing the output of your Fire III is ideal. Thank you to Zanbatoss for reminding me of this.
@@thomasnguyen4427 Not exactly. The video shows me saving the Fire III proc provided by a Fire Paradox until the next Fire Phase, but it's more optimal to just use Fire Paradox first to get into Astral Fire II and then use Fire III proc immediately to go into Astral Fire III afterwards. The Fire III will get a small potency increase for being in Astral Fire II instead of Astral Fire I like in the video. It's very small, but good for optimizing damage. That's only the case in this rotation. If you plan to swap back to the standard rotation at any point mid fight and swap to this rotation for movement purposes, keeping the Fire III proc available to start the phase with can be more beneficial, as you would need the Paradox in the middle of the Fire Phase as a filler and doing this rotation would prevent it from aligning properly without a non-Transpose fast cast back into Astral Fire III. Tl;dr, doing Fire Paradox, Fire III, Despair is more damage if you're committing entirely to this rotation.
It's pretty wild! You can also swap to this from the standard rotation if extended movement is needed. It's very, very easy to swap between the two mid-fight. ... or you can just run in circles within your Ley Lines while out DPSing most other jobs.
@@asatowolfe Thats gonna be the most troll thing one can do in groups. Imagine doing this and if anyone complains: "What do you want, Im still top in aggro." ;D
@@MoshuKyoi Back and better than ever! Now that Despair is instant, Fire III proc are guaranteed and the MP ticks have changed, it's fully sustainable and can skip many steps.
@@StingcatKnight It's very helpful. If you want to maximize potency, you can use _[Fire Paradox, Fire III proc, Despair]_ instead of the _[Fire III proc, Fire Paradox, Despair]_ shown in the video. It's a slight potency gain as your Fire III will get the Astral Fire II bonus as well.
BLM at level 90 in eureka orthos is great too, just modified version that requires saving a triple or quickcast for despair, but yea at level 100 quickcast is saved for B3, and triples for B3 and B4 to dump the third triple cast
@@KitVT Right? It started as a joke, but it's pretty nice knowing that single change to Despair gives BLM the option of being the most mobile caster in the game if it wants to, while still dealing enough damage to be on par with current content. It was never intended to be optimal or anything more than a joke, but it surprised me just how close the damage was to the standard rotation after comparing several runs of each. Having guaranteed Fire III proc, instant cast Despair, and the new changes to MP ticks synergize so well together. I recommend giving it a try, if only for the sake of doing it. There's few things in this game more entertaining than out DPSing other jobs while literally running around in circles as Black Mage.
@@asatowolfe We can only guess what SE will do. Either let it be because they think its funny or that they will buff F4 and nerf other skills to force you into the standard rotation.
Who would've thought a day would come where the least mobile caster would become the most? Even Samurais have more cast times than this rotation. Take a seat, Summoner.
@@archdetective Instant Despair is absolutely huge. Even with the slowest spell speed possible, you are never at any risk of dropping Astral Fire; and it makes weaving a Swift/Triplecast easy for the Flare Star itself.
@@Sammysapphira The problem with Flare Star is that it needs to be instant cast to really be a higher potency per second than the new Instant-Despair is. It's currently a bit underwhelming, but it definitely looks and feels cool. That extra 0.6 cast time is brutal. Fortunately, now that Despair _is_ instant cast and doesn't have that long timer anymore, you can dump all your instant casts into Flare Star without any concern. It also gives you the opportunity to weave for the Flare Star and trivializes keeping Astral Fire rolling. You even have time to fit Thunder or Xenoglossy fillers in without any risk of it dropping, even with slowest spell speed builds.
@@bom_w1b I hope not! But if they give back the old Thunder and Sharpcast, I wouldn't complain. Or better yet, they could buff Flare Star so people will play the job the way the developers intended. 😆
@@Zanador There's an optimized video that I posted a week after this one that has a few changes for more potency. The percentage difference is about a 1-2% loss from the standard rotation, but it's extremely close. Considering how much flexibility this rotation has for the trade-off, the damage is ridiculous. I've been hitting higher DPS numbers with this rotation lately than the standard.
About 50% potency loss. You're alternating between two fires, transpose x2, and two ice . Normal fire rotation is just pure fire + 2x ice and no transpose. Maybe 12.5x fire and two ice. 12.5 x fire doing 30k will beat Paradox x2. Fire 4 is equivalent to paradox in dmg. Don't listen to that guy he is lying to you.
@@zlonewolf That's not even remotely true, and your math is incorrect. It's nowhere near a 50% loss. Give it a try yourself and compare the numbers. It's not remotely as bad as you're making it sound. It wouldn't be able to come close to clearing content (let alone the training dummy in the video with that much time remaining) if it was a 50% loss from standard Fire IV rotation. Lol I'm not arguing that standard rotation isn't better whatsoever, but it's about a 10% difference at worst with bad crit/dh variance. Not 50%. The potency per second you're gaining back by casting primarily Paradox and Despair is making up the majority of the difference that you're believing is lost by skipping those Fire IVs. Its speeding up the rotation and making Despair and Paradox our most hit actions, which Despair is our best potency per second cast as it gains Astral Fire buffs and doesnt drift beyond the gcd recast timer now that its instant. And because all the casts being used ARE instant, you're gaining more casts overall since you're not spending extra gcd time hard casting Fire IV- which can require almost half a second more cast time than your recast timer per cast with slower spell speeds.
I think you might be able to use a Fire 4 as a filler for Triplecast too. You'd transpose into ice after Despair, Paradox (+2500 MP, weave triplecast), Blizzard 3 (+5000 MP, weave transpose), Paradox, Fire 3 Proc, Fire 4, Despair (weave transpose), Blizzard 3. With Triplecast's 15s duration, should be able to fit the 5 GCD and start that last instacast Blizzard 3 before it runs out, squeezes out an extra 256 potency before maim and mend+Enochian!
@@SniperYanda The only problem with using Fire IV is that it uses Umbral Hearts. This rotation keeps your Hearts permanently at 3 as to keep Fire Paradox renewing after each Ice phase, without having to cast Blizzard IV. The extra Triplecast charges can be spent on Blizzard IV as a filler though without hurting the rotation.
@@asatowolfe Ah, I forgot about that. In that case, it might be better to drop the Blizzard IV entirely and let the third triplecast fall off, since your average dps actually goes down including B4 in the cycle, thanks to the extra 2.5s it adds for 320 potency, while the average for the other 5 GCDs is 480 potency.
@@SniperYanda I considered that as well; and in many variations of the rotation during testing I skipped the final Triplecast charge, but you need the instant cast fillers to make sure your Swiftcast and other Triplecast have more time to recharge. If you skip the filler Blizzard IV during your Triplecasts, you eventually reach a point where Swiftcast/Triplecast won't be available when going into Ice Phase and will require you to begin casting again. The Blizzard IV is purely a filler action though. It does more damage than Blizzard III, so it's better than just doing Blizzard III twice. Wish it was possible to skip it since it's not necessary other than having the extra GCD.
@@sandcastle7855 Paradox in Unaspected Damage. It does not gain potency from Astral Fire. I didn't think of optimizing that when coming up with the concept, but it still works (somewhat better) doing it this way. In fact, I think I have a new idea that I'm going to try out that could increase the potency even further. I'll update if it works.
@@asatowolfe ok idk that paradox was not buffed by astral fire, thx for your work i try this new rotation and it was very fun, am excited to see the update.
@@Bahamut9999 I play on console, so I don't have the ability to upload content myself. I'm sure I can find someone to upload, though. I still haven't done a full run of EX3 using only this rotation, but I do swap to it for periods of time during the Laws of Wind, Meteor phase, and AA. I'd be down to do a run with only this rotation to see how it goes, though. I'll let you know when it gets uploaded.
@@Bahamut9999 www.fflogs.com/reports/Z2jB41PC6v9QRaML#fight=99&type=damage-done It was an extremely messy pull and a learning process, and I could have done much better, but even this messy pull did over 26,000 DPS. I was using the Instant Cast rotation almost entirely, but immediately after Absolute Authority (after stack, but before knockback), I was forced to hard cast. It might have been a mistake on my part, I let Swiftcast drift slightly and had to stop instant casting. I went into a standard fire rotation for a single fire phase to realgin, then resumed the rotation. It was very unclean, but it's still something. 62 Paradox casts overall. I'll continue to clean it up. Once I have a good run without mistakes, I'll upload a video. But I wanted to at least share it being used since you asked.
Here is a more solid run of it being used. I'm uploading the video of the run now. I had to hard cast Blizzard III twice after the 6-minute mark, but aside from that, it was entirely instant cast rotation. www.fflogs.com/reports/a9y7FhWpXg2nATNV#fight=4&type=damage-done
@@waxLyrical-nj9yq I would have to set a timer and test it on a dummy outside of SSS for an exact answer on that, but it continues on for a while with a slow sps build. I've used it in raids, but I have mostly alternated between the standard rotation and this one when the movement is needed, and I can say that it has plenty of sustainibility that way. Even if you went fully into this rotation, if a time came where you know your Swiftcast or Triplecast is a few GCDs away (and your Xenoglossy/Thunders are gone), taking time to perform at least one standard Fire phase where you stand and cast will give your cooldowns time to realign for another 2+ minutes of instant casts. Since the Triplecast covers two different Blizzard III, that's 2 Ice/Fire phases worth of time that your next Triplecast and Swiftcast are cooling down. The Swiftcast will return first and would extend the rotation long enough for the next Triplecast to become available. Xenoglossy and Thunders generated also serve to fill time for your Swift/Triplecast to return again. You do have to plan ahead to keep it going beyond 3 minutes, though. Using Swiftcast as soon as you're able (a few GCDs before the Blizzard III) is important for keeping things lined up beyond the 3 minute mark. Triplecast is always charging, but Swiftcast can actually drift and will cause it to lose sustainibility.
@@waxLyrical-nj9yq So, I did a few pulls of EX3 with the rotation. Around the end of Absolute Authority (cheese strat, stacking together), I was forced to hard cast for a single Fire phase before resuming the instant cast only rotation. This could have been due to mistakes on my part as I allowed Swiftcast to drift slightly while trying to keep Thunder uptime. It's easy to realign with it, though. I was able to keep the rotation up for more than 90% of the EX. Could potentially stay up longer than that. If I find a work-around or figure out that it was a mistake on my part, I'll update or upload a video of it.
@@cardyx2879 I've been using it a lot for movement in EX3. I also tried committing to it fully in a few M1 and M4 runs (normal, not Savage). The damage is very consistent, and it surprisingly didn't drift to a point where it eventually dropped like I expected it to later in. It requires you to use your Swiftcasts about 3-4 GCDs before using it, though. I usually weave it off the Fire Paradox to be safe, but you can late weave it off Ice Paradox alongside Transpose if finishing the ice phase with it, especially when under Ley Lines. I plan to upload some footage of it used in practice when I have some time. Both full instant cast, and some half and half pulls. I just like how it can turn a single Swiftcast into several GCDs worth of movement. There are only a few cases where you'd need that much movement, but since it isn't a massive DPS loss and much safer, I 100% prefer using this as a filler for movement.
www.fflogs.com/reports/Z2jB41PC6v9QRaML#fight=99&type=damage-done It was an extremely messy practice pull and definitely a learning process. I could have done much better. But even this messy pull did over 26,000 DPS surprisingly. I was using the Instant Cast rotation almost entirely, but immediately after Absolute Authority (after stack, but before knockback), I was forced to hard cast. It might have been a mistake on my part, I let Swiftcast drift slightly and had to stop instant casting. I went into a standard fire rotation for a single fire phase to realgin, then resumed the rotation. It was very unclean, but it's still something. 62 Paradox casts overall. I'll continue to clean it up. Once I have a good run without mistakes, I'll upload a video.
My highest DPS wasn't on this particular pull. I also do not have max gear and did not use pots this pull. There are also a few optimizations that can deal more damage overall. I have some of the details for that in the description. My highest was 28269 DPS after several runs using the SSS Calculator. Numbers can be a bit higher on the dummy than what they'd be in a normal encounter, though. The good thing is it can still be used to compare clear times with the standard rotation. Although it is lower DPS than the standard rotation and takes longer to deplete the dummy's health bar, it's not by nearly as much time as I thought it would when coming up with it. It's about 12-20 seconds slower overall, taking crit/dh variance into account. It's definitely still a viable option, though. It can clear the dummy with about 25-30 seconds remaining pretty consistently. And I'm sure someone with max gear and pots could clear it even faster than my personal best.
@@Yee-Haw_Bird It works almost exclusively with slower spell speeds. With the changes in Dawntrial, Crit Build is more viable than ever anyway, even in the standard rotation. You don't really have any risk of dropping Astral Fire anymore due to the guaranteed procs and instant casts. And no, not yet. I came up with this a couple of days ago. It's relatively new.
What item level is your black mage at here? And how many tries did it take you to put together a rotation that clears the training dummy? Regardless, I find it very impressive that this not only works, but works to a degree that you can clear the current savage tier training dummy with it.
@@enlongjones2394 Item level is 725. Crit build, currently geared with all but the Augmented Headpiece and Raid Weapon (currently equipped with Skyruin 710 weapon). No pots were used either. It could easily break 30,000 DPS with resources. It surprisingly only took me about 30 minutes. I woke up the other morning and just wanted to give the old Paradox rotation from 6.0 a try since Despair is instant cast now, and I was surprised how fluidly it works. The Fire III proc being guaranteed after every Fire Paradox means Transpose works every phase swap, and Swiftcast being at 40 seconds now makes everything flow together so smoothly. You regain resources almost as quickly as you use them. What's good about it is that you can switch between standard rotation and this literally whenever you need to. Just have Swiftcast up and use Despair > Transpose > Swiftcasted Blizzard III. It'll give you enough MP to get the rotation started and give you about 7 GCDs or more worth of free movement.
@redbloodreaver4935 It's possible. The extra Leylines and changes to Despair save a lot of time and provide extra GCDs that normally wouldn't exist when doing the standard rotation; and with Flare Star being the only action needing Swift/Triplecast in standard rotation now, you're saving several seconds worth cast bars that were usually present in the Slow SpS/Crit Build. Overall, it doen't feel like the M4S training dummy is being cleared significantly faster or anything. I run it often for muscle memory and testing content and it still clears around the average times (counting crit/dh variance into it).
@@halo2rocks76 _26679 DPS_ This was not my fastest clear against the training dummy using this rotation. It was simply my first clean attempt at doing so after coming up with it. I was more interested in sharing the concept that BLM can be the most mobile caster. My quickest clear with it was 28269 DPS; and that's at item level 725 without pots. Max gear and pots could easily push past 30k DPS. It's by no means a replacement for the standard rotation, though- surprisingly high damage for something that was meant to be a meme rotation, but... it's no replacement for standard rotation at higher skill levels.
@@asatowolfe Out of curiosity what's your DPS with standard rotation in comparison? fflogs I think is still pulling data from pre-7.1 with numbers like 27k ndps max
@@wilting2929 Unfortunately, I'm on console. I don't have access to third-party tools unless someone is nearby to upload or share with me. The DPS calculations were done with the Stone Sea and Sky calculator and without max gear. Maybe someone with better gear could give a more accurate DPS rating. The standard rotation clears SSS on average about 10-15 seconds faster than this, though. I know I have it posted in a few spots, but this rotation can be optimized to do more damage by swapping Fire III and Fire Paradox placements so that your Fire III gains the Astral Fire II potency as well. Paradox does not benefit from Astral Fire modifier, and Despair will always come after Fire III, so it's good to just boost the Fire III damage. It doesn't impact the flow of the rotation whatsoever.
@@letherobr3178 The standard rotation is going to do more damage, but the changes to Despair this patch made it an instant cast, so you can be 100% mobile whenever needed. Having Swiftcast available every 40 seconds means that, in a case where you would need to move for extended periods, you could use the Swiftcast after a Despair > Transpose > Blizzard III to swap to this cast-free rotation; have around 20 seconds or so of movement; then swap back when needed. I haven't tested full applications with it, but it's considerably high damage for something that completely eliminates cast times for any number of minutes. I've messed around with it in a few dungeons and raids to see how easy it is to swap between the standard rotation and this rotation when extended movement is needed and it's fairly easy to do so. I wouldn't say it's a replacement for just playing BLM the traditional way, but who knows? With FRU right around the corner, maybe it could see some use?
@@asatowolfe I have been testing blm on EX3 myself, even tho it's possible i could do it with standard rotation all the time (a pain to do but can), having that option would be a bless for me, especially on manafont windows, so thanks for showing out!
@@letherobr3178 I was using it myself today in an EX3 prog party. I was mostly using the standard rotation, but it's definitely helpful swapping to this rotation during Absolute Authority and parts of the Meteor phase. It's an incredibly helpful progging tool and super easy to tune in and out of it when needed.
@@asatowolfeHow much worse is the damage? Do you have DPS sim numbers to compare? On patch Savage and Ultimate kind of need pretty well optimized DPS to work so I feel like you may not be able to afford just sandbagging your DPS any more than 10% or so, so it would be nice to have some numbers here
@@childofaether8733 Unfortunately, I play on console. My only means of damage comparison are using the SSS calculator and comparing the average DPS/remaining time of this rotation and the standard rotation. I 100% agree that the standard rotation is more optimal and should always be used when able. This is not a replacement for standard rotation. It's more of a prog tool and can also be swapped to mid-pull if you anticipate heavy movement or panic for some reason and need to realign. All you need to do is _[Despair, Transpose, Swiftcast, Blizzard III],_ and you'll be fully mobile for several GCDs and can resume the standard rotation on whatever Fire phase you wish. This essentially turns a single Swiftcast/Triplecast into (or up to) several GCDs worth of free movement while still dealing decent damage. I've personally been getting a lot of value out of it so far by swapping between the two rotations (more value than I expected to come out of this, anyway). I should also note that this was done without max gear or pots on the M4S training dummy, with 20 seconds remaining. This wasn't even an optimized version of the rotation and was just a concept to show it works. My average M4S dummy clear time with an optimized route is between 28 and 31 seconds; but I'm certain someone with max gear could do it even faster. Some small adjustments can be made to increase the damage further as well, such as using Fire Paradox before Fire III to get the Astral Fire II value on the Fire III. I'm sure there are ways of optimizing it even further; but for now, it should just be used as a movement tool or for prog purposes unless someone is confident they can keep their standard rotation flowing 100% of the time.
@@mr.famunard2077 It started as a meme, and it's definitely not gonna replace the standard rotation, but it's 100% mobile and does surprisingly decent damage for the trade off. No casting is required whatsoever outside of the free Prepull Fire III. The highest I've been able to hit with it is 28269 DPS without max gear or pots. Having that, it can easily pass 30k DPS; which is higher than most jobs and can easily clear current content.
@@asatowolfe but I have a question, wouldn't it be better if we do paradox first and then fire 3? Because paradox is unaspected and thus does not get affected by astral fire stacks, but if we do paradox first fire 3 will benefit from the extra one astral fire stack we get from casting fire paradox.
@@Zanbatoss That is correct. Thank you for pointing this out. This video was more of a rough draft concept just to show it works rather than optimization. There are a few other adjustments I would make to optimize the rotation as well. I defaulted to using Fire III after Transpose- like the new standard rotation requires. But in this case, Fire Paradox first does add more value and changes nothing else with the rotation since it's all instant casts. I tested the rotation with the actions swapped, and there are no other negative impacts. If you intend to switch to this rotation mid encounter from the Standard rotation, however, and plan to swap back after extended movement is over, its better to keep the rotation the same way so the Fire III is not already drained when re-entering Astral Fire when intending to resume the standard rotation. I pinned a comment recommending them to be swapped if players are looking to stay on this rotation, though.
![[FFXIV 7.1] EX3 BLM PoV, Instant Cast Only Rotation](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7I4JMpgXG5I/mqdefault.jpg)
Edit:
Optimized Version of Rotation:
th-cam.com/video/gbHH5R7taxg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=P6SAQQcuKhCF9xIu
There are a number of small adjustments I recommend if committing to this rotation and not swapping between this and standard rotation mid-fight.
One recommendation is using Fire Paradox before your Fire III proc, as it will give your Fire III proc slightly more damage and does not impact the rotation in any negative way. This is a potency gain if you are investing in this rotation fully. *However,* if you intend to swap to this rotation from the standard rotation mid encounter (or vice-versa), its important to keep in mind that this removes the ability to use a Fire III proc at the start of the next Fire Phase when realigning to the standardized rotation. You can always realign by simply skipping the Transpose and going back into the Fire Phase from the Ice Phase with a fast cast Fire III. It's recommended to do this if you intend to stay on the rotation for numerous reps to get the most out of the rotation.
The reason swapping the position of the Fire Paradox and Fire III works for this rotation is because Fire Paradox does not gain additional value from being Astral Fire. Using Fire Paradox after Transpose and bumping yourself to Astral Fire II _will_ provide a small potency buff to the Fire III cast, however. Despair will be gaining the Astral Fire III damage modifier regardless, so buffing the output of your Fire III is ideal.
Thank you to Zanbatoss for reminding me of this.
ah, you mean like when manafont is about to come off CD, you could have thrown in another Fire 3 proc since you refreshed with the transpose paradox?
@@thomasnguyen4427 Not exactly. The video shows me saving the Fire III proc provided by a Fire Paradox until the next Fire Phase, but it's more optimal to just use Fire Paradox first to get into Astral Fire II and then use Fire III proc immediately to go into Astral Fire III afterwards. The Fire III will get a small potency increase for being in Astral Fire II instead of Astral Fire I like in the video. It's very small, but good for optimizing damage.
That's only the case in this rotation. If you plan to swap back to the standard rotation at any point mid fight and swap to this rotation for movement purposes, keeping the Fire III proc available to start the phase with can be more beneficial, as you would need the Paradox in the middle of the Fire Phase as a filler and doing this rotation would prevent it from aligning properly without a non-Transpose fast cast back into Astral Fire III.
Tl;dr, doing Fire Paradox, Fire III, Despair is more damage if you're committing entirely to this rotation.
7.0 BLM - "Remember... Remember us... Remember that we once lived."
7.1 BLM - "I... will... not... yield..."
man, you're my hero. My BLM friend will never be able to tell me it's hard to move now, I can tease him ENDLESSLY with this video
It's pretty wild! You can also swap to this from the standard rotation if extended movement is needed. It's very, very easy to swap between the two mid-fight.
... or you can just run in circles within your Ley Lines while out DPSing most other jobs.
@@asatowolfe Thats gonna be the most troll thing one can do in groups. Imagine doing this and if anyone complains: "What do you want, Im still top in aggro." ;D
Jocat: “Suck it, Black Mage” (over mobility)
BLM: And I took that personally.
I can't comment anymore this wins.
I remember doing paradox rotation as a meme for Endwalker when it first popped up in 6.0
So funny that it's back again
@@MoshuKyoi Back and better than ever! Now that Despair is instant, Fire III proc are guaranteed and the MP ticks have changed, it's fully sustainable and can skip many steps.
Oh man I'm gonna have to learn this rotation. Thats wild.
The world is not ready for D3 BlackMage
WE'RE BACK BABY!
Very cool, I’ll be using this!
@@StingcatKnight It's very helpful. If you want to maximize potency, you can use _[Fire Paradox, Fire III proc, Despair]_ instead of the _[Fire III proc, Fire Paradox, Despair]_ shown in the video. It's a slight potency gain as your Fire III will get the Astral Fire II bonus as well.
so I've been doing this since day one of 7.1, just surprised I just found this vid
"Wake up babe, new BLM rotation just dropped!"
BLM at level 90 in eureka orthos is great too, just modified version that requires saving a triple or quickcast for despair, but yea at level 100 quickcast is saved for B3, and triples for B3 and B4 to dump the third triple cast
the 4th physical ranged dps
5th if you count SMN
@@ShermTank7272 i was very tempted to put that
played long enough to witness RDM becoming the only caster in the game
Good memes, love to see it!
@@KitVT Right? It started as a joke, but it's pretty nice knowing that single change to Despair gives BLM the option of being the most mobile caster in the game if it wants to, while still dealing enough damage to be on par with current content. It was never intended to be optimal or anything more than a joke, but it surprised me just how close the damage was to the standard rotation after comparing several runs of each. Having guaranteed Fire III proc, instant cast Despair, and the new changes to MP ticks synergize so well together.
I recommend giving it a try, if only for the sake of doing it. There's few things in this game more entertaining than out DPSing other jobs while literally running around in circles as Black Mage.
@@asatowolfe We can only guess what SE will do. Either let it be because they think its funny or that they will buff F4 and nerf other skills to force you into the standard rotation.
people, have fun while you can! SE is def going to nerf this someway with FRU patch, cause no fun allowed when BLM involved.
Thank you for this video
Black Mage mains trying to find anything to not stand still to cast.
Who would've thought a day would come where the least mobile caster would become the most? Even Samurais have more cast times than this rotation.
Take a seat, Summoner.
This is tax evasion
@@SpacePirateFromSpace I prefer "Tax Exempt." Sorry, Phys Ranged. Maybe next patch.
Tax? Nah this is straight THEFT lmao.
Leave it to SE to over-correct stuff lol
We were only asking for Instant Flare Star. Instant Despair is massive
@@archdetective Instant Despair is absolutely huge. Even with the slowest spell speed possible, you are never at any risk of dropping Astral Fire; and it makes weaving a Swift/Triplecast easy for the Flare Star itself.
Instant flare star is dumb. One of your hardest hitting abilities? It's supposed to feel impactful, and it has a cool animation.
@@Sammysapphira The problem with Flare Star is that it needs to be instant cast to really be a higher potency per second than the new Instant-Despair is. It's currently a bit underwhelming, but it definitely looks and feels cool. That extra 0.6 cast time is brutal. Fortunately, now that Despair _is_ instant cast and doesn't have that long timer anymore, you can dump all your instant casts into Flare Star without any concern. It also gives you the opportunity to weave for the Flare Star and trivializes keeping Astral Fire rolling. You even have time to fit Thunder or Xenoglossy fillers in without any risk of it dropping, even with slowest spell speed builds.
Yoshi P gonna make it AF Paradox no longer gives Firestarter proc after seeing this video 😂
@@bom_w1b I hope not! But if they give back the old Thunder and Sharpcast, I wouldn't complain. Or better yet, they could buff Flare Star so people will play the job the way the developers intended. 😆
I love it!
aw man i knew i should have kept hitting the shiny buttons smh im letting my swiftcast drift this whole time
Yoshi P has to be trolling at this point
I need... a guide on how to do this. I want to practice the hell out of this.
@@B_MoreJ There's an optimized version of it that I uploaded after this one; as well as a transcript in the description.
Refused to play Blackmage when they butchered it in 7.0. Maybe it is time to make a return. Oh beloved Paradox rotation is back. XD
This is absolutely fucking hilarious
Do we have numbers on how close this is to the normal rotation? What % of damage do you think this misses out on compared to standard?
@@Zanador There's an optimized video that I posted a week after this one that has a few changes for more potency. The percentage difference is about a 1-2% loss from the standard rotation, but it's extremely close. Considering how much flexibility this rotation has for the trade-off, the damage is ridiculous. I've been hitting higher DPS numbers with this rotation lately than the standard.
About 50% potency loss.
You're alternating between two fires, transpose x2, and two ice .
Normal fire rotation is just pure fire + 2x ice and no transpose. Maybe 12.5x fire and two ice.
12.5 x fire doing 30k will beat Paradox x2. Fire 4 is equivalent to paradox in dmg.
Don't listen to that guy he is lying to you.
@@zlonewolf That's not even remotely true, and your math is incorrect. It's nowhere near a 50% loss. Give it a try yourself and compare the numbers. It's not remotely as bad as you're making it sound. It wouldn't be able to come close to clearing content (let alone the training dummy in the video with that much time remaining) if it was a 50% loss from standard Fire IV rotation. Lol
I'm not arguing that standard rotation isn't better whatsoever, but it's about a 10% difference at worst with bad crit/dh variance. Not 50%.
The potency per second you're gaining back by casting primarily Paradox and Despair is making up the majority of the difference that you're believing is lost by skipping those Fire IVs. Its speeding up the rotation and making Despair and Paradox our most hit actions, which Despair is our best potency per second cast as it gains Astral Fire buffs and doesnt drift beyond the gcd recast timer now that its instant. And because all the casts being used ARE instant, you're gaining more casts overall since you're not spending extra gcd time hard casting Fire IV- which can require almost half a second more cast time than your recast timer per cast with slower spell speeds.
I think you might be able to use a Fire 4 as a filler for Triplecast too. You'd transpose into ice after Despair, Paradox (+2500 MP, weave triplecast), Blizzard 3 (+5000 MP, weave transpose), Paradox, Fire 3 Proc, Fire 4, Despair (weave transpose), Blizzard 3. With Triplecast's 15s duration, should be able to fit the 5 GCD and start that last instacast Blizzard 3 before it runs out, squeezes out an extra 256 potency before maim and mend+Enochian!
@@SniperYanda The only problem with using Fire IV is that it uses Umbral Hearts. This rotation keeps your Hearts permanently at 3 as to keep Fire Paradox renewing after each Ice phase, without having to cast Blizzard IV. The extra Triplecast charges can be spent on Blizzard IV as a filler though without hurting the rotation.
@@asatowolfe Ah, I forgot about that. In that case, it might be better to drop the Blizzard IV entirely and let the third triplecast fall off, since your average dps actually goes down including B4 in the cycle, thanks to the extra 2.5s it adds for 320 potency, while the average for the other 5 GCDs is 480 potency.
@@SniperYanda I considered that as well; and in many variations of the rotation during testing I skipped the final Triplecast charge, but you need the instant cast fillers to make sure your Swiftcast and other Triplecast have more time to recharge. If you skip the filler Blizzard IV during your Triplecasts, you eventually reach a point where Swiftcast/Triplecast won't be available when going into Ice Phase and will require you to begin casting again.
The Blizzard IV is purely a filler action though. It does more damage than Blizzard III, so it's better than just doing Blizzard III twice. Wish it was possible to skip it since it's not necessary other than having the extra GCD.
But why use Fire paradox before fire 3 considering of paradox potency is very higher than fire 3?
@@sandcastle7855 Paradox in Unaspected Damage. It does not gain potency from Astral Fire. I didn't think of optimizing that when coming up with the concept, but it still works (somewhat better) doing it this way.
In fact, I think I have a new idea that I'm going to try out that could increase the potency even further. I'll update if it works.
@@asatowolfe ok idk that paradox was not buffed by astral fire, thx for your work i try this new rotation and it was very fun, am excited to see the update.
@sandcastle
Becos you need to have full astral fire buff to trigger Paradox. Same with ice phase Paradox.
Hello mate, could you kill m1s a couple of times with this rotation and upload the log, please? Or maybe ex3.
@@Bahamut9999 I play on console, so I don't have the ability to upload content myself. I'm sure I can find someone to upload, though. I still haven't done a full run of EX3 using only this rotation, but I do swap to it for periods of time during the Laws of Wind, Meteor phase, and AA. I'd be down to do a run with only this rotation to see how it goes, though. I'll let you know when it gets uploaded.
@ Thank you 💗
@@Bahamut9999
www.fflogs.com/reports/Z2jB41PC6v9QRaML#fight=99&type=damage-done
It was an extremely messy pull and a learning process, and I could have done much better, but even this messy pull did over 26,000 DPS. I was using the Instant Cast rotation almost entirely, but immediately after Absolute Authority (after stack, but before knockback), I was forced to hard cast. It might have been a mistake on my part, I let Swiftcast drift slightly and had to stop instant casting. I went into a standard fire rotation for a single fire phase to realgin, then resumed the rotation.
It was very unclean, but it's still something. 62 Paradox casts overall. I'll continue to clean it up. Once I have a good run without mistakes, I'll upload a video. But I wanted to at least share it being used since you asked.
Here is a more solid run of it being used. I'm uploading the video of the run now. I had to hard cast Blizzard III twice after the 6-minute mark, but aside from that, it was entirely instant cast rotation.
www.fflogs.com/reports/a9y7FhWpXg2nATNV#fight=4&type=damage-done
@@asatowolfe Nice, thanks for sharing, I will wait the video for fun, looks really interesting what you are doing. Thank you so much!
Can this rotation actually be continued indefinitely or will you hit a time where you run out of instant casts for blizzard 3?
@@waxLyrical-nj9yq I would have to set a timer and test it on a dummy outside of SSS for an exact answer on that, but it continues on for a while with a slow sps build.
I've used it in raids, but I have mostly alternated between the standard rotation and this one when the movement is needed, and I can say that it has plenty of sustainibility that way.
Even if you went fully into this rotation, if a time came where you know your Swiftcast or Triplecast is a few GCDs away (and your Xenoglossy/Thunders are gone), taking time to perform at least one standard Fire phase where you stand and cast will give your cooldowns time to realign for another 2+ minutes of instant casts.
Since the Triplecast covers two different Blizzard III, that's 2 Ice/Fire phases worth of time that your next Triplecast and Swiftcast are cooling down. The Swiftcast will return first and would extend the rotation long enough for the next Triplecast to become available. Xenoglossy and Thunders generated also serve to fill time for your Swift/Triplecast to return again.
You do have to plan ahead to keep it going beyond 3 minutes, though. Using Swiftcast as soon as you're able (a few GCDs before the Blizzard III) is important for keeping things lined up beyond the 3 minute mark. Triplecast is always charging, but Swiftcast can actually drift and will cause it to lose sustainibility.
@@waxLyrical-nj9yq So, I did a few pulls of EX3 with the rotation. Around the end of Absolute Authority (cheese strat, stacking together), I was forced to hard cast for a single Fire phase before resuming the instant cast only rotation. This could have been due to mistakes on my part as I allowed Swiftcast to drift slightly while trying to keep Thunder uptime. It's easy to realign with it, though. I was able to keep the rotation up for more than 90% of the EX. Could potentially stay up longer than that. If I find a work-around or figure out that it was a mistake on my part, I'll update or upload a video of it.
@waxLyrical
This works off AF and UI buffs which require two casts each of fire x2 and ice x2.
Otherwise you can't trigger Paradox.
I'm really wondering how much dps would you realistically lose if you were to do this rotation about 30% of the time for mechanics?
@@cardyx2879 I've been using it a lot for movement in EX3. I also tried committing to it fully in a few M1 and M4 runs (normal, not Savage). The damage is very consistent, and it surprisingly didn't drift to a point where it eventually dropped like I expected it to later in. It requires you to use your Swiftcasts about 3-4 GCDs before using it, though. I usually weave it off the Fire Paradox to be safe, but you can late weave it off Ice Paradox alongside Transpose if finishing the ice phase with it, especially when under Ley Lines.
I plan to upload some footage of it used in practice when I have some time. Both full instant cast, and some half and half pulls. I just like how it can turn a single Swiftcast into several GCDs worth of movement. There are only a few cases where you'd need that much movement, but since it isn't a massive DPS loss and much safer, I 100% prefer using this as a filler for movement.
@@asatowolfe Ah ok thank you so much!
www.fflogs.com/reports/Z2jB41PC6v9QRaML#fight=99&type=damage-done
It was an extremely messy practice pull and definitely a learning process. I could have done much better. But even this messy pull did over 26,000 DPS surprisingly. I was using the Instant Cast rotation almost entirely, but immediately after Absolute Authority (after stack, but before knockback), I was forced to hard cast. It might have been a mistake on my part, I let Swiftcast drift slightly and had to stop instant casting. I went into a standard fire rotation for a single fire phase to realgin, then resumed the rotation.
It was very unclean, but it's still something. 62 Paradox casts overall. I'll continue to clean it up. Once I have a good run without mistakes, I'll upload a video.
How much damage does it do? I mean clearly enough since the dummy died
My highest DPS wasn't on this particular pull. I also do not have max gear and did not use pots this pull. There are also a few optimizations that can deal more damage overall. I have some of the details for that in the description.
My highest was 28269 DPS after several runs using the SSS Calculator. Numbers can be a bit higher on the dummy than what they'd be in a normal encounter, though. The good thing is it can still be used to compare clear times with the standard rotation. Although it is lower DPS than the standard rotation and takes longer to deplete the dummy's health bar, it's not by nearly as much time as I thought it would when coming up with it. It's about 12-20 seconds slower overall, taking crit/dh variance into account.
It's definitely still a viable option, though. It can clear the dummy with about 25-30 seconds remaining pretty consistently. And I'm sure someone with max gear and pots could clear it even faster than my personal best.
Out of curiosity Im guessing this is better for slow gcd builds of blackmage?
(also is there a guide to this on the balance or something?)
@@Yee-Haw_Bird It works almost exclusively with slower spell speeds. With the changes in Dawntrial, Crit Build is more viable than ever anyway, even in the standard rotation. You don't really have any risk of dropping Astral Fire anymore due to the guaranteed procs and instant casts.
And no, not yet. I came up with this a couple of days ago. It's relatively new.
What item level is your black mage at here?
And how many tries did it take you to put together a rotation that clears the training dummy?
Regardless, I find it very impressive that this not only works, but works to a degree that you can clear the current savage tier training dummy with it.
@@enlongjones2394 Item level is 725. Crit build, currently geared with all but the Augmented Headpiece and Raid Weapon (currently equipped with Skyruin 710 weapon). No pots were used either. It could easily break 30,000 DPS with resources.
It surprisingly only took me about 30 minutes. I woke up the other morning and just wanted to give the old Paradox rotation from 6.0 a try since Despair is instant cast now, and I was surprised how fluidly it works. The Fire III proc being guaranteed after every Fire Paradox means Transpose works every phase swap, and Swiftcast being at 40 seconds now makes everything flow together so smoothly. You regain resources almost as quickly as you use them. What's good about it is that you can switch between standard rotation and this literally whenever you need to. Just have Swiftcast up and use Despair > Transpose > Swiftcasted Blizzard III. It'll give you enough MP to get the rotation started and give you about 7 GCDs or more worth of free movement.
I'm guessing SSS difficulty wasn't adjusted in 7.1, in which case the extra leyline BLM got makes the job utterly overpowered against the dummy
@redbloodreaver4935 It's possible. The extra Leylines and changes to Despair save a lot of time and provide extra GCDs that normally wouldn't exist when doing the standard rotation; and with Flare Star being the only action needing Swift/Triplecast in standard rotation now, you're saving several seconds worth cast bars that were usually present in the Slow SpS/Crit Build.
Overall, it doen't feel like the M4S training dummy is being cleared significantly faster or anything. I run it often for muscle memory and testing content and it still clears around the average times (counting crit/dh variance into it).
what was your DPS on this?
@@halo2rocks76 _26679 DPS_
This was not my fastest clear against the training dummy using this rotation. It was simply my first clean attempt at doing so after coming up with it. I was more interested in sharing the concept that BLM can be the most mobile caster.
My quickest clear with it was 28269 DPS; and that's at item level 725 without pots. Max gear and pots could easily push past 30k DPS.
It's by no means a replacement for the standard rotation, though- surprisingly high damage for something that was meant to be a meme rotation, but... it's no replacement for standard rotation at higher skill levels.
@@asatowolfe dps or rdps
@@asatowolfe Out of curiosity what's your DPS with standard rotation in comparison? fflogs I think is still pulling data from pre-7.1 with numbers like 27k ndps max
@@wilting2929 Unfortunately, I'm on console. I don't have access to third-party tools unless someone is nearby to upload or share with me. The DPS calculations were done with the Stone Sea and Sky calculator and without max gear. Maybe someone with better gear could give a more accurate DPS rating.
The standard rotation clears SSS on average about 10-15 seconds faster than this, though. I know I have it posted in a few spots, but this rotation can be optimized to do more damage by swapping Fire III and Fire Paradox placements so that your Fire III gains the Astral Fire II potency as well. Paradox does not benefit from Astral Fire modifier, and Despair will always come after Fire III, so it's good to just boost the Fire III damage. It doesn't impact the flow of the rotation whatsoever.
Are there any situations this could be a gain over standard or is this a "oh f lemme not f it even more"
@@letherobr3178 The standard rotation is going to do more damage, but the changes to Despair this patch made it an instant cast, so you can be 100% mobile whenever needed. Having Swiftcast available every 40 seconds means that, in a case where you would need to move for extended periods, you could use the Swiftcast after a Despair > Transpose > Blizzard III to swap to this cast-free rotation; have around 20 seconds or so of movement; then swap back when needed.
I haven't tested full applications with it, but it's considerably high damage for something that completely eliminates cast times for any number of minutes. I've messed around with it in a few dungeons and raids to see how easy it is to swap between the standard rotation and this rotation when extended movement is needed and it's fairly easy to do so.
I wouldn't say it's a replacement for just playing BLM the traditional way, but who knows? With FRU right around the corner, maybe it could see some use?
@@asatowolfe I have been testing blm on EX3 myself, even tho it's possible i could do it with standard rotation all the time (a pain to do but can), having that option would be a bless for me, especially on manafont windows, so thanks for showing out!
@@letherobr3178 I was using it myself today in an EX3 prog party. I was mostly using the standard rotation, but it's definitely helpful swapping to this rotation during Absolute Authority and parts of the Meteor phase. It's an incredibly helpful progging tool and super easy to tune in and out of it when needed.
@@asatowolfeHow much worse is the damage? Do you have DPS sim numbers to compare? On patch Savage and Ultimate kind of need pretty well optimized DPS to work so I feel like you may not be able to afford just sandbagging your DPS any more than 10% or so, so it would be nice to have some numbers here
@@childofaether8733 Unfortunately, I play on console. My only means of damage comparison are using the SSS calculator and comparing the average DPS/remaining time of this rotation and the standard rotation.
I 100% agree that the standard rotation is more optimal and should always be used when able. This is not a replacement for standard rotation. It's more of a prog tool and can also be swapped to mid-pull if you anticipate heavy movement or panic for some reason and need to realign. All you need to do is _[Despair, Transpose, Swiftcast, Blizzard III],_ and you'll be fully mobile for several GCDs and can resume the standard rotation on whatever Fire phase you wish. This essentially turns a single Swiftcast/Triplecast into (or up to) several GCDs worth of free movement while still dealing decent damage.
I've personally been getting a lot of value out of it so far by swapping between the two rotations (more value than I expected to come out of this, anyway).
I should also note that this was done without max gear or pots on the M4S training dummy, with 20 seconds remaining. This wasn't even an optimized version of the rotation and was just a concept to show it works. My average M4S dummy clear time with an optimized route is between 28 and 31 seconds; but I'm certain someone with max gear could do it even faster. Some small adjustments can be made to increase the damage further as well, such as using Fire Paradox before Fire III to get the Astral Fire II value on the Fire III. I'm sure there are ways of optimizing it even further; but for now, it should just be used as a movement tool or for prog purposes unless someone is confident they can keep their standard rotation flowing 100% of the time.
But why use Ley Lines if no cast timers
@@chernobyl169 Ley Lines decreases the recast timer as well. Your GCD is faster when inside it.
Love it XD I was here. Yes, very serious, I will watch with attention AAAAAaaaand, no XD That was a meme. Love it :D
@@mr.famunard2077 It started as a meme, and it's definitely not gonna replace the standard rotation, but it's 100% mobile and does surprisingly decent damage for the trade off. No casting is required whatsoever outside of the free Prepull Fire III.
The highest I've been able to hit with it is 28269 DPS without max gear or pots. Having that, it can easily pass 30k DPS; which is higher than most jobs and can easily clear current content.
@@asatowolfethats not bad dps at all, better than mch 😂
@@Zanbatoss Right? Just as mobile as a Physical Ranged, and still higher DPS with a cursed rotation. xD
@@asatowolfe but I have a question, wouldn't it be better if we do paradox first and then fire 3? Because paradox is unaspected and thus does not get affected by astral fire stacks, but if we do paradox first fire 3 will benefit from the extra one astral fire stack we get from casting fire paradox.
@@Zanbatoss That is correct. Thank you for pointing this out. This video was more of a rough draft concept just to show it works rather than optimization. There are a few other adjustments I would make to optimize the rotation as well. I defaulted to using Fire III after Transpose- like the new standard rotation requires. But in this case, Fire Paradox first does add more value and changes nothing else with the rotation since it's all instant casts.
I tested the rotation with the actions swapped, and there are no other negative impacts. If you intend to switch to this rotation mid encounter from the Standard rotation, however, and plan to swap back after extended movement is over, its better to keep the rotation the same way so the Fire III is not already drained when re-entering Astral Fire when intending to resume the standard rotation.
I pinned a comment recommending them to be swapped if players are looking to stay on this rotation, though.
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