One thing to mention about critical shields is that the Eukrasian Diagnosis Shield is consumed before the Differential Diagnosis Shield (The Crit shield), giving the Addersting charge without having to consume the Crit Shield.
Makes you feel like TBN should have the same kind of interaction. Having TBN pop before other applied shields would make everyone happier. I'm sure someone could argue skill which to some extent I'm sure is true. Maybe I'm missing something balancing wise.
Also I found doing lower level duties helped a lot. It got me into the habit of doing certain things to the point that I don't even think about it. I just do it. It also gave me a chance to setup my bars and skills so that I was comfortable with the placement.
Been playing Sage nonstop since early release, something I noticed with Addersting is that if you crit Eukrasian Diagnosis and get the bonus shield, the 'normal' shield breaks before the Differential Diagnosis crit shield and you get your Addersting then, even if the crit shield still remains.
That's fascinating. I hadn't noticed that, but what caught my eye is that if you Eukrasian Diagnosis and Haima the same target, the Diagnosis shield pops before the Haima one does, so you don't potentially lock yourself out of an Addersting.
This video is brilliant and so informative, I didn't even consider how important both Krasis and Physis together can be for helping with pull mitigation. I also only realised recently that Zoe only buffs with Diagnosis and Prognosis so I've found it incredibly helpful for tank pulls to give that extra push on Eukrasian Diagnosis when prepping for big pulls. Thanks so much for explaining this all out and splitting it into parts to explain how to rotate as well as when certain abilities are useful, it's incredibly helpful to see your way of approaching different skills and finding where to use certain abilities.
So as a bit more of a veteran of SGE now, I do things a little bit differently in dungeons. First, I’m a bit more reserved with toxicons. Although if I know the boss coming up has an early AOE, I’ll use them all on the 2nd trash pull. So to start, I preshield the tank, finishing for crits until the pull starts. During the pull, I spam eukrasian dosis on everything. I do not reshield the tank until after the pull. I start with just Kerachole once the pull has stopped. As kerachole wears off, I use physis+panhaima. Once that wears off, kerachole again. All this while constantly spamming dyskrasia and 1 toxicon. Second pull, I fish for shield crits again before the pull, then eukrasian dosis everything during the pull. Once stopped, I start again with Kerachole. As it’s wearing off, I’ll physis+Haima. And as that wears off, I’ll use Krasis+soteria and kerachole again. I’ll spam dyskrasia and if I know a boss is coming up with an early aoe, I’ll burn my toxicons once the pull has stopped. Sage has much more in its toolkit, but more than this is rarely ever needed. There are a few shadowbringers dungeons where more could be used potentially, but I still spread my cooldowns similarly even in those. I always save haima for the second pull since it has bigger shields and 2nd wall to wall pulls always hit harder than the first. The key to sage is consistent mitigation. As the video said, you do have to plan ahead for incoming damage. This healing rotation I listed is a very conservative rotation that generally works with most tanks who mitigate properly. There’s always less experienced tanks that need more help, and since I still have a lot of resources, it’s ezpz to help them.
This is greatly appreciated, I kept having trouble handling wall to wall pulls. I kept my tanks alive, but a bit too close to comfort. My biggest issue was panicking and not knowing how to efficiently use my addersgall stacks and being greedy with my cooldowns. Great guide, thanks!
I know this is an older video but I wanted to comment on it. Thank you for all the tips. I've been a Whm main healer for a long time and really wanted to get good at this job. It's a transition mindset thinking reactively vs proactively. It's a very fun job.
you know i've become a decent healer cause of your guides starting with SCH then AST. to the point were some of these tips are spot on to what i do myself minus a few adjustments. It's a great feeling cause in a high-key way you taught me, and i'm sure alot others, how to heal so thank you so so much for everything you do \o/ game on great sir
Great guide! I have noticed that playing as a SGE, if you apply a crit shield on someone, if what's counted as the "normal" eukrasian diagnosis shield is broken, you still get the stack for Toxicon and it often still leaves the "crit" part of the shield intact.
Ohhh, so when I was reading through the tooltips, I eyerolled at Eukrasian Diagnosis. Why did they say "125%, but if you crit you get a whole separate 125% buff with a different name," why make it more complicated than it needs to be?" Its so easy to get buried in all the skill/buff connections between the skills as it is! But that's why -- since its two separate shields, you don't get "penalized" for popping off a big heal like I thought you would.
This guide is very much appreciated. My only experience with healers has been, for the most part, on the more reactive side of things with WHM, so playing a barrier healer has been a very interesting experience. I have to say, it feels pretty rewarding to do when played well, as you can pretty much feel when a preventive strategy "clicks." My only gripe with sage, and a small one at that, would be for Icarus to have a much shorter cooldown... or at least another charge. It just feels good to do :P
After gaining job stone, i spent 20 mins reading tooltips, re-organising buttons to more familiar healer button orientations and felt ready, wiped twice on the first job story boss... -_-
this video is exactly what i needed. clear precise explanations of the abilities and how to use them. was having such a hard time in dungeons finding the right healing combos especially on big pulls and this helped so much. ty
One minor thing I didn’t notice in the video is that Kardia procs do generate enmity. So if tank grabs Mob A and then continues running to Mobs B and C, when you dot Mob A that will generate enmity on Mobs B and C as well if the tank is in their aggro range
I just wanted to come back here and say this video has become my go to resource when teaching new sages every time I have a player ask me how to play sage I send this to them and it unlocked another talented healer thank you for this its perfect
I know this video is 2 years old, but this video has converted me into a SGE main for casual content. I've healed every EW dungeon very comfortably with SGE thanks to this video. Thanks Momo!
This was a rly helpful guide, as I'm coming from a WHM main into a SGE and they are so different from one another. I'm having to essentially relearn how to heal, so I feel very self-conscious about it and watching this (and will again) has given me some stuff to work on :D
Thank you for the video, my sage could not keep up on healing and i was doing it all wrong, E diagnisis does very well. Your video filled in many spots i was missing Thank you for your time
This is the first time I've watched your videos and this was SUPER helpful! Having healer anxiety + being away from the game for months made sage really daunting with all the buttons but this helped a bunch
It is a learning curve, that is for sure. Found myself unable to keep tank alive during wall to wall in some situations where it would normally be a breeze for my WHM. I think you hit the nail on the head, Sage requires planning and preemptive measures because it is a barrier healer and does not have multiple 'Oh crap' buttons and stun options like the pure healer WHM. Two different healers with two different play styles and both are very fun and enjoyable!
SGE lacks big heals and big aoe heals of WHM but with same weak kit of SCH but 3 charges vs SCH's massive 9 charge aetherflow. SGE is a weaker scholar. They lack the fairy and seraph heals. They're a nerfed SCH and all of their weaknesses but none of their strength. The only thing SGE does better is Eukraysia system and Kardia. Both of which is unique to Sage. This is their only redeeming quality. Otherwise Scholars complaining about healing has nothing on SGE. Kardia is like fairy but actually uses mana. Fairy has multiple skills that are all passive and fairy got buffed alot. Endwalker Scholar is a beast compared to shadowbringer Scholar.
@@Zolronak the 71 dungeon has deceptively tough pulls, probably the toughest in the whole of SHB imo lol ..Seen many of people get caught by the first two pulls especially. Also, having a decent tank makes all the difference (I main tank, WAR atm) and I cant remember the last time I died during trash pulls. Almost no excuse for it these days if the tank is doing its job properly, it is not just the healers responsibility to ensure survival.. xD
Having had experience playing disc priest in WoW, I fell in love with the Sage because it's basically disc priest with laser beams. Thank you for the tip with Zoe and Eukrasian Diagnosis. I tend to not use Zoe due to whatever reason, but putting it on a rotation makes total sense. Also, I can sense that you are trying ultra hard to keep the video short as possible due to the super speedtalking (which btw is still very understandable. That is amazing). I would have loved it if you slowed down just a tiny bit. Like by 5-10% would be great =O. If this is your normal speaking speed, then ignore what I just proposed. You're fine as is.
Thanks for the excellent guide. The healing routine was especially helpful and practically carried me through the entire leveling process once I was comfortable with it.
oh thank god you did a sage guide! Your scholar guide is what got me into healing and you are hands down the best overall teacher when it comes to heals
Good simple tip I feel is know a basic understanding of each tanks abilities as well so you know a general pull style or their emergency buttons. Vice Versa for tanks as well, know the healers skills a bit so you don't go in expecting massive burst heals and get dots ans shields. I play both tank and healer in a few MMOs and it's nice to change my tempo based on what class is healing/tanking for me.
Not sure if it was mentioned, but: stay really close to your tank while they're pulling. If you apply Eukrasian Dosis on an enemy while the tank is pulling it, you'll grab aggro from the other enemies of the pack due to the heal from Kardia. Staying as close as you can to your tank makes it easier for them to grab aggro back with an AoE or two.
Thanks for the guide! As a tank main I like to watch stuff for healers so I get an idea of what they can do and how to better cycle my CD's when I go for bigger pulls
Thank you so much for this video. I was really struggling with Sage. This video really helped it click for me and now I'm much more confident doing dungeons with Sage.
You just earned a sub from me bud. Your healer vids are bang on. I have only gotten WHM to 90 and play it at an okay level but I was terrified of the three other healers. I’ve leveled all the tanks to 90 through dungeons only to force myself to learn how to play them on, at least, a mediocre level so when I get to the healers I have a decent idea of what’s going on. Starting with SGE today so thanks for the 10/10 content. One tip I will mention to new healers, to help ease some of the anxiety of going into dungeons, run trusts until you feel semi comfortable to dabble into df dungeons. Trusts usually take longer than DF dungeons for trash and bosses which gives you a bit more time to work out your rotation. If you feel like you want to start pushing yourself, you can wall to wall in trusts (just have to pull extra enemies yourself) and if you can do that effectively, chances are you will be okay in DF dungeons.
really appreciate this video. I was always too scared to dungeon heal as sage because I didn't fully understand my kit but this really gave me the push I needed and It ended up going well for me. thanks a ton
Man this came at the right time. I took a year off and just came back after only playing sam and drk. Sage is the only healer that had my attention. Now i can pew pew my way through shadowbringers so I can finally get to endwalker. Keep up the awesome work.
12:07 talking about using Icarus to keep up with tank and tank instantly jumps to next pack of mobs... Like saying "nope, i got this". Seriously tho, the issues i have found with sage is that when you get into a group that has more than a couple people that refuse to follow mechanics and you need burst heals to get them topped before a group wide aoe. If both healers are sage, sometimes it just isnt enough to keep the dragoons alive (sorry i just had to say it).
I think Sage really shines when you have a tank who knows what they're doing. I did an expert roulette yesterday and felt practically no pressure keeping the Warrior up through whatever they wanted to pull, because they were using their own tools smartly. One thing I would recommend, and it looks like you had it on your hotbar, is to have macros of your single target heals to so you can weave heals on the tank while maintaining dps on baddies. One of the things that has felt the most awkward so far is that several abilities are simultaneously proactive and reactive. I don't want to waste the heal potency of holos and taurochole, but the mitigation they give is great. It's not as big a problem with mob packs, because there's constant incoming damage and I can wait until the healing potency is relevant, but with tankbusters and such I try to avoid those if at all possible. There are a few mechanics with repeated damage, so occasionally there's value in it, but overall it feel like putting competing functionality on the same button.
@@TheBleachj16 Nothing particularly special, just actively using their mitigation tools. They were aware of what they could use every pull, and what could only be used once. Generally, any cooldown that's 60 seconds or less can be used on every trash pull.
I got halfway through the video, paused, and subscribed! Loved the step by step explanation for handling pulls, can't wait to try sage after I finish reaper now!
Sage is the first healer in the game that I tried out. I know that maybe I should've started with a more "bread and butter" healer like White Mage but Sage's playstyle and aesthetic interests me way more. So I am glad that I stumbled upon your video, it helped me a lot to strip some bad habit from my healing methods.
honestly the most difficult part for me to grasping Sage has been that every single ability seems to be a healing and mit ability. knowing which one to use when and why has been what's held me back from using it. I'm gonna try the stuff you mentioned in this video, I appreciate having some sequence of things to do even if your pronunciation of the skills made me want to die inside 🤣
My Sage Healing setup for big pulls is always like this: While tank is picking up mobs and going to destination to stop: Shield -- Shield Break, Shield -- Shield Break, Shield -- Shield Break - Tank Stops: Kerachole + Haima + Zoe Shield Toxicon-Phlemga-Phlemga-Toxicon-Toxicon-Toxicon and some Dyskrasia until tank has taken dmg: Terachole + Shield + Physis - Shield again Toxicon-Toxicon Finish up.. off to next pull Rinse, Repeat Except instead of Haima use Panhaima on 2nd big pull (if you have it) My mana has Barely moved, i havent stopped casting and everyone is happy and full for next pull.
Thanks for the video momo! I think i’ve had a good understanding on the class for a bit but i always like to watch your guides and compare to make sure i’m maximizing my tool kit :D
Im glad to know I've been doing something right. It feels so good to use all of your skills. It feels really good when all of them are used to thier full extent.
This is a good guide but i'd add a few more tips based on my leveling experience: 1 - Know your tank cooldown. I find it completely useless to use any Cooldowns on a WAR under bloodwhetting, for 6 seconds it's virtually unkillable as long as it uses AoE. On the other hand, DRK "only" has TBN and no strong self healing ability. 2 - If I'm not mistaken, Toxicon is a DPS loss on 2 targets, at the end of a pull I find it usefull to shield just to get extra stacks in prevision for the next pull. Dyskrasia is better on 2 target since Toxicon loses 50% of its power after the first target. 3 - When managing cooldowns, prioritize 60s cooldown. With PUGs, time between pulling wall to wall packs can last 60s, meaning your cooldowns will be back between those two packs, while the 120s will be available only once. More of the time, I never had to do more than Eukrasian Diagnosis and maybe Kerachole, only using Haima if the tank was taking too much damage or I was planning to spam Toxicon. It's also a good place to use Soteria.
toxicon has a potency of 240. 2 targets, total potency will be at 360. dyskrasia has 160 potency. 2 targets will be at 320. toxicon still stronger. you'll only use it on 2 targets when you're capped
Toxicon is just better for AoE, sure the secondary targets are reduced, but you're still gaining 80 extra Potency on the first hit, which becomes 150 extra potency when the offensive spells upgrade. You need like... 20 targets for it to not be worth the single GCD.
@@janograhf Ah yes you're right, I calculated too fast. Toxicon is 330 + 50% of that * secondary targets. Diskrasya is 170 potency. Still, it remains a good advice to build Toxicon stack at the end of a pull rather than use them all.
@@Shinnouryu Are you sure about those numbers? I'm playing on the german translation but my tooltip says Toxicon has a 320 potency with a 30% loss on secondary targets...
Quality as always! It's good someone points out that we Sages are in a way like tanks where CDs should be spread out and used often. Panhaima I like to use like to use more often 'first' or right after dungeon bosses kind of thing since the 2 min CD will be up for the next boss and you'll have it for that for fully party, and then up again likely for trash mob use
This is probably only useful outside dungeons, aka trials and raids, but useful nevertheless: Kardia can be weaved constantly every 5 secs so you can get value from it all the time. You can use it to heal a party member that needs only a bit of healing while the tank is topped or has shields; also useful as a complement to other resources when you just revived someone, and a big etc. You can only do it each every 5 secs, but if you're already confident at managing damage Kardia becomes a powerful tool.
@@FFXIVMomo it was probably poorly worded. What i meant is that my suggestion may be not that useful on dungeons because tank is always the target. But even then, you may be paired with a WAR that gets topped pretty often, and other similart situations!
@@lautaroluggren2485 hey man it's definitely a nice quality of life for lower level dungeons or during bosses, though at this point like you said at high level dungeons it has to stay on the tank for mob pulls since sage feels decently busy to me with all the ogcds and such, at least until I get more comfortable. But yeah when I was leveling to 80 and my tank pulled wall to wall after the second boss of mt. Gulg, the dps were on their own except for the aoes ikr kaurachole and holos and physis. Though I have gotten in the habit of doing Eukrasian prognosis between pulls lately.
Ah, why am I suddenly excited to try out Sage? Help? Thanks for this fantastic guide. Once I get around to level sage, I will watch this a gazillion times, I know :3
I love the way you break things down....idk if you have already but can you do a updated video of the Sage job now that DT is out? I desperately need help 🤣
Good video but it's almost impossible to follow if you don't have the skill names + icons pulled up on the side. All the icons are just shapes, half the names end with the same thing and when you did have the skill descriptions on the screen they were moving around making it harder to read
I'm glad someone more skilled with video editing than I managed to get out a good guide for my now favorite job. Something I do want to correct tho: Toxikon. It actually is on the lowest part of the priority totem pole, but you do want to gather all 3 when you can. It's a potency 330 with a 50% AoE that is instant cast. That means for the crowd you're dealing (everything but the initial target) a potency of 165. This would be compared to Dyskrasia's 170. Plus Toxikon is still a gcd that requires a different gcd to be cast. Effectively this would be equivalent to Physic giving Ruin 2(+Art of War) stacks to use alongside Ruin and Art of War. Meaning it really is best used as a mobility option for keeping your gcd rolling but needing to dodge, much like Ruin 2.
Really glad to see you make a Sage guide after I learned so much from your SCH guide! I watched SGE because I am having fun with it, but I wasn't sure exactly how to use Pepsis effectively. Hopefully, with the knowledge here I can start practicing and execute accurately. Thanks for the guide!
I love that sage has a designated "keep up with the asshole tank that rushes ahead with multiple gapclosers and then dies" button in icarus. Now they just need to give it a second charge in lv 91-100
Pretty good stuff! I was already doing pretty well with sage cause of my expirence with scholar and barrier mage in general but this video made me realize im being far to conservative with Krasis and Physis. I have to say Sage ticks so many boxes for me though. Plus I get to punch things as Sage with Phlegma lol.
Absolutely LOVE this video. Thank you! I want Sage to be my main. Important thing to note about Critting Eukrasian Diagnosis... When you do, it'll apply 2 different sets of Diagnosis. The Original Eukrasian Diagnosis AND a DIFFERENTIAL Diagnosis... The Eukrasian will break first, the Differential is the EXTRA you get from the Crit. However, since the Eukrasian breaks first, you WILL get a Addersting before the WHOLE shield breaks! Addersting procs from Eukrasian breaking, not Differential. However... since Differential IS it's own shield... you CAN keep giving Eukrasian which will continue to break first, leaving the Differential. Buuut... very Niche. Just something to note.
Sage is the first healer job I'm trying to be more serious about playing, and it's definitely an interesting class. I primarily play tanks, my favorite being Dark Knight, and the way I've been registering how Sage works is a lot of the barrier mechanics are similar to TBN in certain ways. Just like how TBN grants protections before it breaks and grants a Dark Art that can be used on a Flood or Edge, Eukrasian Diagnosis similarly protects and breaks to grant Addersting for the powerful damage attacks. An oversimplfication, sure, but it did help me to register how the job works a little easier, utilizing barriers to mitigate how much healing you need to do so you can spend most of your time dealing damage. I'm level 81 Sage right now, I'm still trying to get the hang of it. In any event, I appreciate the video guide, and I'll be putting your tips into practice. I think my biggest problem is using too many of my barriers immediately, leaving me fewer resources later. I've heard people say that you should never have a full stack of 3 addersgalls, because if you do, it means you aren't utilizing them enough. So I've been looking for ways to use them, to the point that it's resulted in me unable to recover from a dire situation, so I've been trying to be less anxious and figure out when the right time is to use my tools. Sometimes it's been good, other times it's been rough. I also tend to use Eukrasian Prognosis a lot more than Eukrasian Diagnosis, since it's just easy to press the AOE button instead of targeting the tank (I play on controller) but I'm getting into a better habit of using Eukrasian Diagnosis primarily, and using Eukrasian Prognosis when I know the entire party will get hit, but using Eukrasion Prognosis is still kind of an instinctual reflex due to how easy it is to use, always needing to remind myself that it's not as likely to quickly break, and provides less protection to the tank overall. TLDR; I'm still learning, but hey. I've been getting a lot of commendations as Sage, so I must be doing something right at least. LOL
I've been playing Sage just from my own feeling up til now and watching your video helped a ton in maximizing my toolkit usage. Thanks a ton! Sage absolutely feels like a class that doesn't do that well at "catching up" but is great at dealing with incoming damage you know is coming.
Thank you for the guide! I've avoided shield healers for the longest time, but I remembered your fun and interesting Scholar guide, and after watching the Sage guide too I decided it can't be too bad. I didn't get it at first, and then it clicked when I realised I kept the tank up much better at the end of 120s healing CDs spamming Dyskrasia + Taurochole/Druochole - I shouldn't let the Kardia "HoT" drop at all, and should fit the high potency oGCD heals in, as an attempt to slow down the tank's drop in HP and also kill the mobs faster. Phlegma and Toxicon are enemy-targeted and make it hard to do the oGCDs with target swap, so if I get rid of them first, I can Dyskrasia + Taurochole/Druochole freely. Sage is quite impressive with its mitigation, in that usually when the tank stops after finishing the wall-to-wall pull, they barely take any damage due to high damage mitigation and healing amplification + Haima/Panhaima, and when the tank's HP starts to drop, that's when the mobs are nearly dead anyway. Healing during boss pulls are quite comfy, as you can coast along spamming damage spells with just a smattering of Kerachole, Physis, Eukrasian Prognosis + Pepsis and some spot healing. Shields on tankbusters and party-wides are nice too. Shield healers have to be quite economical with MP since it's all CD or class resource-based, but it's great training - stops me from spamming excessing healing when I'm back on the regen healers. I think I still have to work on using Addersgall a bit more to maintain high MP though. With repeated Dosis casts, MP plummets quite quickly. I realised that GCD heals indicate that I've failed to set up pulls properly, or we've got issues with tank mitigation CD cycling, or we don't have enough DPS. It's only going to be a thing when things are really not looking good and all my oGCDs are gone.
i would love to see you do this with a gnb or drk as your tank, as warrior (in my opinion) is by far the easiest tank to heal in big dungeon pulls, with pld being very good too. i think it would show sage's struggles much better because the tank's health barely dips in this guide.
The only reason he's using a paladin in most of this footage is because I'm not leveling another tank as fast as I should have. Sorry for the inconvenience 😭
I have plenty of footage with both GBN and DRK as tanks and even planned on having a clip of GBN and DRK in there but unfortunately because every dungeon this expac has pretty heavy ties to the story none of it could be used for an accessible guide. Gunbreaker is actually better than Paladin as a tank in dungeons though and a proper Dark Knight is probably about even with PLD though it depends on how often they use TBN.
@@FFXIVMomo hm interesting, i really made this comment out of a concensus between most healers i've talked to about gnb/drk being much less enjoyable to heal. i was just suggesting to show footage of tanks that tend to not be able to self sustain as well. it doesnt take anything away from the guide, just something that may help demonstrate what sage looks like in rough situations.
This video is great. One thing I'd like to add though is that if your tank is melting (Dying in under 5 seconds on pull) you should use Krasis+Haima or Panhaima. Then just do the rest normally.
I main as WHM and Sage was a lot harder than I thought it would be and I absolutely love it! Thank you for this video can't wait to use it in some dungeons. ☺️
I've been a WHM for 7 years but the tips here really help, especially cooldowns. If a dungeon takes ~30 mins, using Benediction from time to time from strong pulls doesn't hurt.
as a brand new healer AND sage, i was consistently letting my tank die not knowing what the hell i could have done further to prevent their death. After this video, i managed to come up with my own skill plans alongside yours to now be able to do even the hardest massive pulls with relative ease... sage really is a rewarding and fun job once the situation calls for it. thanks!
This is helpful ^^ just did my first few dungeons with sage today and I definitely see where I need to improve! It does help that I know the names of the spells tho 😂👌🏽 if I watched this before picking up sage I woulda been lost
I've found Sage is quite reliant on the party's effectiveness, unlike the other three healers. If the DPS aren't mowing down mobs quick enough (to reduce incoming damage) and or your tank isn't using cooldowns & mitigation (and spacing them out appropriately for that matter), a Sage can only do so much with its mitigation-based kit - you will go through all your cooldowns and have to spam (E) Diagnosis for a while. We have several Job changes coming in 6.01, so I hope SGE gets some QoL updates to make it easier to use independent of players in dungeons. For Trials and Raids though, it's just awesome.
This is not true, out of all the time I've played sage and any of the other healers, you can easily keep some of the most inexperienced tanks alive easily with your ogcd's, and if its so bad that they are dying too quickly, adding GCD's easily compensates for this. You just have to plan your ogcd's better, and it gets much comfier the more and more you play healer in general, not just sage. ^^
That's only true if you use too much mitigation too quickly. If you rotate them properly, you'll always almost have mitigation up. When you're wasteful, you'll run into situations like you described.
@@MrInsiipid The problem isn't having mitigation up. The problem is the mitigation not being enough in a given situation and how to recover the HP of a near dying tank and or party as a Sage provided you've done your part as a Sage correctly; Sage can struggle in doing this compared to the other healers for dungeon pulls.
@@grimm4927 That's good for you that you haven't experienced it. But don't discount my experience simply because you can't relate. I'm recounting what I've experienced as well as I what I have discussed with a myriad of other people. To your other point, I already do space them out - I actually did everything in this video prior to its release, from alternating between Haima and Panhaima between pulls, Krasis/Physis into other healing actions, to using Holos as mitigation rather than for healing, etc. And yet, sometimes, I still have tanks eating ridiculous amounts of damage with no Benediction/Essential Dignity/Excogitation to restore a hefty chunk of it back. Mitigation counts for naught at that point. GCDs are obviously used for compensation because of Kardia and what else is going to heal when your actions are on cooldown? While good, Sage can stand to be improved in my opinion. And I say this as a healer main myself.
@@Everlarke I wont discount the fact that you and the myriad of people you spoke to are just wrong. It absolutely holds its own in dungeons perfectly fine, but you are correct on one note- it is fantastic in raids.
I had gotten spoiled playing WHM with their huge toolkit of burst heals. My poor tank had to pay the price for my assumptions during our first Tower of Zot run. Sage is not weak by any definition but the playstyle has taken some adjustment. Like you said, Sage is much more a pre-emptive and proactive type of healer. It's much more about mitigating the damage you know is coming.
Which can be kind of hard. Espacially at first try on bosses you don't know the mechanics off. Since you need to apply your stuff before damage happens, and if you don't know when damage happens it can be stressfull. :D
@@MeldinX2 except overhealing can lead to aggro onto sage. Some skills can pull massive aggro. The boss basically ignore the tank and sage becomes the tank throughout the remainder of the fight lol.
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Honestly the hardest thing about sage is the skill names
It’s definitely overwhelming at first, especially with the icons being so similar too.
yea i only know the skills from the icons
No one goes by skill names. It's all about the skill appearance
It's all Greek to me.
;)
True XD- Ok cast bubble, then the cube then the girl then wait bubble off and cast losange !! XD (wait playstation buttons ?)
One thing to mention about critical shields is that the Eukrasian Diagnosis Shield is consumed before the Differential Diagnosis Shield (The Crit shield), giving the Addersting charge without having to consume the Crit Shield.
Makes you feel like TBN should have the same kind of interaction. Having TBN pop before other applied shields would make everyone happier. I'm sure someone could argue skill which to some extent I'm sure is true. Maybe I'm missing something balancing wise.
Also I found doing lower level duties helped a lot. It got me into the habit of doing certain things to the point that I don't even think about it. I just do it. It also gave me a chance to setup my bars and skills so that I was comfortable with the placement.
Been playing Sage nonstop since early release, something I noticed with Addersting is that if you crit Eukrasian Diagnosis and get the bonus shield, the 'normal' shield breaks before the Differential Diagnosis crit shield and you get your Addersting then, even if the crit shield still remains.
Interesting. Thanks. 🍻
Ty for writing that
Wow, so nice they thought of this ahead!
Crit gives you 2 addersting, 1 for normal shield and 1 for the crit shield
That's fascinating. I hadn't noticed that, but what caught my eye is that if you Eukrasian Diagnosis and Haima the same target, the Diagnosis shield pops before the Haima one does, so you don't potentially lock yourself out of an Addersting.
This video is brilliant and so informative, I didn't even consider how important both Krasis and Physis together can be for helping with pull mitigation. I also only realised recently that Zoe only buffs with Diagnosis and Prognosis so I've found it incredibly helpful for tank pulls to give that extra push on Eukrasian Diagnosis when prepping for big pulls. Thanks so much for explaining this all out and splitting it into parts to explain how to rotate as well as when certain abilities are useful, it's incredibly helpful to see your way of approaching different skills and finding where to use certain abilities.
So as a bit more of a veteran of SGE now, I do things a little bit differently in dungeons.
First, I’m a bit more reserved with toxicons. Although if I know the boss coming up has an early AOE, I’ll use them all on the 2nd trash pull.
So to start, I preshield the tank, finishing for crits until the pull starts. During the pull, I spam eukrasian dosis on everything. I do not reshield the tank until after the pull. I start with just Kerachole once the pull has stopped. As kerachole wears off, I use physis+panhaima. Once that wears off, kerachole again. All this while constantly spamming dyskrasia and 1 toxicon.
Second pull, I fish for shield crits again before the pull, then eukrasian dosis everything during the pull. Once stopped, I start again with Kerachole. As it’s wearing off, I’ll physis+Haima. And as that wears off, I’ll use Krasis+soteria and kerachole again. I’ll spam dyskrasia and if I know a boss is coming up with an early aoe, I’ll burn my toxicons once the pull has stopped.
Sage has much more in its toolkit, but more than this is rarely ever needed. There are a few shadowbringers dungeons where more could be used potentially, but I still spread my cooldowns similarly even in those.
I always save haima for the second pull since it has bigger shields and 2nd wall to wall pulls always hit harder than the first.
The key to sage is consistent mitigation.
As the video said, you do have to plan ahead for incoming damage. This healing rotation I listed is a very conservative rotation that generally works with most tanks who mitigate properly. There’s always less experienced tanks that need more help, and since I still have a lot of resources, it’s ezpz to help them.
This is greatly appreciated, I kept having trouble handling wall to wall pulls. I kept my tanks alive, but a bit too close to comfort. My biggest issue was panicking and not knowing how to efficiently use my addersgall stacks and being greedy with my cooldowns. Great guide, thanks!
Fantastic guide, yet again. The order of applying buffs and shields is incredibly helpful.
Needed this. In Trials and raids I do pretty well but dungeons have me fighting for my life every time
Only have to worry about 1 target doing damage to everyone, instead of several targets doing damage to the tank.
I know this is an older video but I wanted to comment on it. Thank you for all the tips. I've been a Whm main healer for a long time and really wanted to get good at this job. It's a transition mindset thinking reactively vs proactively. It's a very fun job.
you know i've become a decent healer cause of your guides starting with SCH then AST. to the point were some of these tips are spot on to what i do myself minus a few adjustments. It's a great feeling cause in a high-key way you taught me, and i'm sure alot others, how to heal so thank you so so much for everything you do \o/ game on great sir
Oh his sch guide is fantastic! Helped me learn sch and it's full kit 😍
Great guide! I have noticed that playing as a SGE, if you apply a crit shield on someone, if what's counted as the "normal" eukrasian diagnosis shield is broken, you still get the stack for Toxicon and it often still leaves the "crit" part of the shield intact.
Ohhh, so when I was reading through the tooltips, I eyerolled at Eukrasian Diagnosis. Why did they say "125%, but if you crit you get a whole separate 125% buff with a different name," why make it more complicated than it needs to be?" Its so easy to get buried in all the skill/buff connections between the skills as it is! But that's why -- since its two separate shields, you don't get "penalized" for popping off a big heal like I thought you would.
I always come back to this video. Honestly the quickest and easiest refresher/reminder on how to play this class after taking a break from playing
Easily the best sage guide on TH-cam, well done
Fantastic video. A proper wall-to-wall plan was what I needed. Keep up the good work, mate.
This guide is very much appreciated. My only experience with healers has been, for the most part, on the more reactive side of things with WHM, so playing a barrier healer has been a very interesting experience. I have to say, it feels pretty rewarding to do when played well, as you can pretty much feel when a preventive strategy "clicks." My only gripe with sage, and a small one at that, would be for Icarus to have a much shorter cooldown... or at least another charge. It just feels good to do :P
agreed! 2 stacks, or half the recharge!
After gaining job stone, i spent 20 mins reading tooltips, re-organising buttons to more familiar healer button orientations and felt ready, wiped twice on the first job story boss... -_-
this video is exactly what i needed. clear precise explanations of the abilities and how to use them. was having such a hard time in dungeons finding the right healing combos especially on big pulls and this helped so much. ty
You're one of the only people I trust with healer content and your guides are high quality, thanks!
One minor thing I didn’t notice in the video is that Kardia procs do generate enmity. So if tank grabs Mob A and then continues running to Mobs B and C, when you dot Mob A that will generate enmity on Mobs B and C as well if the tank is in their aggro range
I think this is finally going to be the expansion where tanks understand that healer aggro is a real thing they need to account for
I just wanted to come back here and say this video has become my go to resource when teaching new sages
every time I have a player ask me how to play sage I send this to them and it unlocked another talented healer
thank you for this its perfect
I know this video is 2 years old, but this video has converted me into a SGE main for casual content. I've healed every EW dungeon very comfortably with SGE thanks to this video. Thanks Momo!
This was a rly helpful guide, as I'm coming from a WHM main into a SGE and they are so different from one another. I'm having to essentially relearn how to heal, so I feel very self-conscious about it and watching this (and will again) has given me some stuff to work on :D
Thank you for the video, my sage could not keep up on healing and i was doing it all wrong, E diagnisis does very well.
Your video filled in many spots i was missing
Thank you for your time
This video was a god send. I was so overwhelmed when I saw all the different spells you get as soon as you unlock the Job.
This is the first time I've watched your videos and this was SUPER helpful! Having healer anxiety + being away from the game for months made sage really daunting with all the buttons but this helped a bunch
It is a learning curve, that is for sure. Found myself unable to keep tank alive during wall to wall in some situations where it would normally be a breeze for my WHM. I think you hit the nail on the head, Sage requires planning and preemptive measures because it is a barrier healer and does not have multiple 'Oh crap' buttons and stun options like the pure healer WHM. Two different healers with two different play styles and both are very fun and enjoyable!
SGE lacks big heals and big aoe heals of WHM but with same weak kit of SCH but 3 charges vs SCH's massive 9 charge aetherflow. SGE is a weaker scholar. They lack the fairy and seraph heals. They're a nerfed SCH and all of their weaknesses but none of their strength. The only thing SGE does better is Eukraysia system and Kardia. Both of which is unique to Sage. This is their only redeeming quality. Otherwise Scholars complaining about healing has nothing on SGE. Kardia is like fairy but actually uses mana. Fairy has multiple skills that are all passive and fairy got buffed alot. Endwalker Scholar is a beast compared to shadowbringer Scholar.
You could legitimately breakdance on your keyboard and keep people alive through big damage as a WHM lol
@@Zolronak the 71 dungeon has deceptively tough pulls, probably the toughest in the whole of SHB imo lol ..Seen many of people get caught by the first two pulls especially.
Also, having a decent tank makes all the difference (I main tank, WAR atm) and I cant remember the last time I died during trash pulls. Almost no excuse for it these days if the tank is doing its job properly, it is not just the healers responsibility to ensure survival.. xD
These tips and the Shield pull rotation you explained helped me do a dungeon with full pulls with no deaths. thank you alot.
Having had experience playing disc priest in WoW, I fell in love with the Sage because it's basically disc priest with laser beams. Thank you for the tip with Zoe and Eukrasian Diagnosis. I tend to not use Zoe due to whatever reason, but putting it on a rotation makes total sense.
Also, I can sense that you are trying ultra hard to keep the video short as possible due to the super speedtalking (which btw is still very understandable. That is amazing). I would have loved it if you slowed down just a tiny bit. Like by 5-10% would be great =O. If this is your normal speaking speed, then ignore what I just proposed. You're fine as is.
Thanks for the excellent guide. The healing routine was especially helpful and practically carried me through the entire leveling process once I was comfortable with it.
oh thank god you did a sage guide! Your scholar guide is what got me into healing and you are hands down the best overall teacher when it comes to heals
Good simple tip I feel is know a basic understanding of each tanks abilities as well so you know a general pull style or their emergency buttons. Vice Versa for tanks as well, know the healers skills a bit so you don't go in expecting massive burst heals and get dots ans shields. I play both tank and healer in a few MMOs and it's nice to change my tempo based on what class is healing/tanking for me.
I was stressing somewhat doing dungeons with my gnb friend but following the heal plan improved things, a lot. So thanks for this.
Playing Disc Priest, Holy Paladin in WoW, and Scholar in SHB; i feel prepared for Sage. My time has come.
Being an edgelord at heart forever and always the Reaper means my time has truly come as well. 😆
Kardia is basically atonement
Not sure if it was mentioned, but: stay really close to your tank while they're pulling. If you apply Eukrasian Dosis on an enemy while the tank is pulling it, you'll grab aggro from the other enemies of the pack due to the heal from Kardia. Staying as close as you can to your tank makes it easier for them to grab aggro back with an AoE or two.
Yep. With Sage having pretty much no cast times and Icarus during pulls there's no reason for a Sage to fall behind!
Thanks for the guide! As a tank main I like to watch stuff for healers so I get an idea of what they can do and how to better cycle my CD's when I go for bigger pulls
Thank you so much for this video. I was really struggling with Sage. This video really helped it click for me and now I'm much more confident doing dungeons with Sage.
You just earned a sub from me bud. Your healer vids are bang on. I have only gotten WHM to 90 and play it at an okay level but I was terrified of the three other healers. I’ve leveled all the tanks to 90 through dungeons only to force myself to learn how to play them on, at least, a mediocre level so when I get to the healers I have a decent idea of what’s going on. Starting with SGE today so thanks for the 10/10 content.
One tip I will mention to new healers, to help ease some of the anxiety of going into dungeons, run trusts until you feel semi comfortable to dabble into df dungeons. Trusts usually take longer than DF dungeons for trash and bosses which gives you a bit more time to work out your rotation. If you feel like you want to start pushing yourself, you can wall to wall in trusts (just have to pull extra enemies yourself) and if you can do that effectively, chances are you will be okay in DF dungeons.
really appreciate this video. I was always too scared to dungeon heal as sage because I didn't fully understand my kit but this really gave me the push I needed and It ended up going well for me. thanks a ton
Amazing guide. I am kinda proud I alrdy put this to use for the majority of what u explained. This vid makes me go even bigger brain. Big thanks.
This is amazing! Thank you so much. Sage is my new main and I’ve been trying to optimize my pulls. Gracias 🙏🏽
Man this came at the right time. I took a year off and just came back after only playing sam and drk. Sage is the only healer that had my attention. Now i can pew pew my way through shadowbringers so I can finally get to endwalker. Keep up the awesome work.
This was a huge help. I was having such a hard time healing with Sage until you laid it out step by step.
12:07 talking about using Icarus to keep up with tank and tank instantly jumps to next pack of mobs... Like saying "nope, i got this". Seriously tho, the issues i have found with sage is that when you get into a group that has more than a couple people that refuse to follow mechanics and you need burst heals to get them topped before a group wide aoe. If both healers are sage, sometimes it just isnt enough to keep the dragoons alive (sorry i just had to say it).
I think Sage really shines when you have a tank who knows what they're doing. I did an expert roulette yesterday and felt practically no pressure keeping the Warrior up through whatever they wanted to pull, because they were using their own tools smartly. One thing I would recommend, and it looks like you had it on your hotbar, is to have macros of your single target heals to so you can weave heals on the tank while maintaining dps on baddies.
One of the things that has felt the most awkward so far is that several abilities are simultaneously proactive and reactive. I don't want to waste the heal potency of holos and taurochole, but the mitigation they give is great. It's not as big a problem with mob packs, because there's constant incoming damage and I can wait until the healing potency is relevant, but with tankbusters and such I try to avoid those if at all possible. There are a few mechanics with repeated damage, so occasionally there's value in it, but overall it feel like putting competing functionality on the same button.
What was the tank doing that makes you say that? As a main tank just wondering anything I can do to make the healers job easier.
@@TheBleachj16 Nothing particularly special, just actively using their mitigation tools. They were aware of what they could use every pull, and what could only be used once. Generally, any cooldown that's 60 seconds or less can be used on every trash pull.
@@Atamusk warrior doesn’t need a healer that’s why 🤣
Love healing warriors. Especially when i'm running a whm lol
Your SCH guide was a complete game-changer for me, I've been waiting for your sage guide, thank you!
I got halfway through the video, paused, and subscribed! Loved the step by step explanation for handling pulls, can't wait to try sage after I finish reaper now!
Sage is the first healer in the game that I tried out. I know that maybe I should've started with a more "bread and butter" healer like White Mage but Sage's playstyle and aesthetic interests me way more. So I am glad that I stumbled upon your video, it helped me a lot to strip some bad habit from my healing methods.
honestly the most difficult part for me to grasping Sage has been that every single ability seems to be a healing and mit ability. knowing which one to use when and why has been what's held me back from using it. I'm gonna try the stuff you mentioned in this video, I appreciate having some sequence of things to do even if your pronunciation of the skills made me want to die inside 🤣
My Sage Healing setup for big pulls is always like this:
While tank is picking up mobs and going to destination to stop:
Shield -- Shield Break, Shield -- Shield Break, Shield -- Shield Break - Tank Stops:
Kerachole + Haima + Zoe Shield
Toxicon-Phlemga-Phlemga-Toxicon-Toxicon-Toxicon and some Dyskrasia until tank has taken dmg:
Terachole + Shield + Physis - Shield again
Toxicon-Toxicon
Finish up.. off to next pull
Rinse, Repeat Except instead of Haima use Panhaima on 2nd big pull (if you have it)
My mana has Barely moved, i havent stopped casting and everyone is happy and full for next pull.
Dude I thought I was doing a pretty decent job healing but this made me realize I was not doing as good as I should be. Thanks for this!
Thanks for the video momo! I think i’ve had a good understanding on the class for a bit but i always like to watch your guides and compare to make sure i’m maximizing my tool kit :D
This is am extremely useful video and I'll recommend it to any sages that I see having trouble!
Fixing to finally try out Sage. This guide made me feel much better before doing so. Thank you.
Im glad to know I've been doing something right. It feels so good to use all of your skills. It feels really good when all of them are used to thier full extent.
This is a good guide but i'd add a few more tips based on my leveling experience:
1 - Know your tank cooldown. I find it completely useless to use any Cooldowns on a WAR under bloodwhetting, for 6 seconds it's virtually unkillable as long as it uses AoE. On the other hand, DRK "only" has TBN and no strong self healing ability.
2 - If I'm not mistaken, Toxicon is a DPS loss on 2 targets, at the end of a pull I find it usefull to shield just to get extra stacks in prevision for the next pull. Dyskrasia is better on 2 target since Toxicon loses 50% of its power after the first target.
3 - When managing cooldowns, prioritize 60s cooldown. With PUGs, time between pulling wall to wall packs can last 60s, meaning your cooldowns will be back between those two packs, while the 120s will be available only once.
More of the time, I never had to do more than Eukrasian Diagnosis and maybe Kerachole, only using Haima if the tank was taking too much damage or I was planning to spam Toxicon. It's also a good place to use Soteria.
toxicon has a potency of 240. 2 targets, total potency will be at 360. dyskrasia has 160 potency. 2 targets will be at 320. toxicon still stronger. you'll only use it on 2 targets when you're capped
Yeah I’m not going to learn tank cooldowns. So no Sage for me
Toxicon is just better for AoE, sure the secondary targets are reduced, but you're still gaining 80 extra Potency on the first hit, which becomes 150 extra potency when the offensive spells upgrade. You need like... 20 targets for it to not be worth the single GCD.
@@janograhf Ah yes you're right, I calculated too fast.
Toxicon is 330 + 50% of that * secondary targets.
Diskrasya is 170 potency.
Still, it remains a good advice to build Toxicon stack at the end of a pull rather than use them all.
@@Shinnouryu Are you sure about those numbers? I'm playing on the german translation but my tooltip says Toxicon has a 320 potency with a 30% loss on secondary targets...
Thank you so much for the video - gave me whole new outlook on sage playstyle.
This video has really helped me to be a better healer in general. Thank you very much
Quality as always! It's good someone points out that we Sages are in a way like tanks where CDs should be spread out and used often. Panhaima I like to use like to use more often 'first' or right after dungeon bosses kind of thing since the 2 min CD will be up for the next boss and you'll have it for that for fully party, and then up again likely for trash mob use
This is probably only useful outside dungeons, aka trials and raids, but useful nevertheless: Kardia can be weaved constantly every 5 secs so you can get value from it all the time. You can use it to heal a party member that needs only a bit of healing while the tank is topped or has shields; also useful as a complement to other resources when you just revived someone, and a big etc. You can only do it each every 5 secs, but if you're already confident at managing damage Kardia becomes a powerful tool.
Hey it's not useless outside of dungeons there were plenty of times where I changed Kardia targets to a DPS if they ate an AOE ;)
@@FFXIVMomo it was probably poorly worded. What i meant is that my suggestion may be not that useful on dungeons because tank is always the target. But even then, you may be paired with a WAR that gets topped pretty often, and other similart situations!
@@lautaroluggren2485 hey man it's definitely a nice quality of life for lower level dungeons or during bosses, though at this point like you said at high level dungeons it has to stay on the tank for mob pulls since sage feels decently busy to me with all the ogcds and such, at least until I get more comfortable. But yeah when I was leveling to 80 and my tank pulled wall to wall after the second boss of mt. Gulg, the dps were on their own except for the aoes ikr kaurachole and holos and physis. Though I have gotten in the habit of doing Eukrasian prognosis between pulls lately.
Ah, why am I suddenly excited to try out Sage? Help?
Thanks for this fantastic guide. Once I get around to level sage, I will watch this a gazillion times, I know :3
I love the way you break things down....idk if you have already but can you do a updated video of the Sage job now that DT is out? I desperately need help 🤣
Bro, this guide is gold! Thank you!!
Yay Sage guide \o/ - I'm doing alright with Sage I guess but the Krasis/Physis tip is really helpful for big pulls I didnt think of that. Thank you!
Good video but it's almost impossible to follow if you don't have the skill names + icons pulled up on the side. All the icons are just shapes, half the names end with the same thing and when you did have the skill descriptions on the screen they were moving around making it harder to read
I'm glad someone more skilled with video editing than I managed to get out a good guide for my now favorite job. Something I do want to correct tho: Toxikon. It actually is on the lowest part of the priority totem pole, but you do want to gather all 3 when you can. It's a potency 330 with a 50% AoE that is instant cast. That means for the crowd you're dealing (everything but the initial target) a potency of 165. This would be compared to Dyskrasia's 170. Plus Toxikon is still a gcd that requires a different gcd to be cast. Effectively this would be equivalent to Physic giving Ruin 2(+Art of War) stacks to use alongside Ruin and Art of War. Meaning it really is best used as a mobility option for keeping your gcd rolling but needing to dodge, much like Ruin 2.
This guide is what finally helped SGE click for me, ty!! Would love a similar one for SCH in EW!
Really glad to see you make a Sage guide after I learned so much from your SCH guide! I watched SGE because I am having fun with it, but I wasn't sure exactly how to use Pepsis effectively. Hopefully, with the knowledge here I can start practicing and execute accurately. Thanks for the guide!
I love that sage has a designated "keep up with the asshole tank that rushes ahead with multiple gapclosers and then dies" button in icarus. Now they just need to give it a second charge in lv 91-100
Yeah this is one of those videos imma have to watch more than once to make sure i don't miss anything
Pretty good stuff! I was already doing pretty well with sage cause of my expirence with scholar and barrier mage in general but this video made me realize im being far to conservative with Krasis and Physis. I have to say Sage ticks so many boxes for me though. Plus I get to punch things as Sage with Phlegma lol.
Absolutely LOVE this video. Thank you! I want Sage to be my main.
Important thing to note about Critting Eukrasian Diagnosis... When you do, it'll apply 2 different sets of Diagnosis. The Original Eukrasian Diagnosis AND a DIFFERENTIAL Diagnosis... The Eukrasian will break first, the Differential is the EXTRA you get from the Crit. However, since the Eukrasian breaks first, you WILL get a Addersting before the WHOLE shield breaks! Addersting procs from Eukrasian breaking, not Differential. However... since Differential IS it's own shield... you CAN keep giving Eukrasian which will continue to break first, leaving the Differential. Buuut... very Niche. Just something to note.
THANK YOU I NEEDED THIS SO BAD I WIPED 5 TIMES IN SHB FIRST DUNGEON
Dawntrail is out and I am playing sage after 7 years of being a dps this video was great help
Sage is the first healer job I'm trying to be more serious about playing, and it's definitely an interesting class. I primarily play tanks, my favorite being Dark Knight, and the way I've been registering how Sage works is a lot of the barrier mechanics are similar to TBN in certain ways. Just like how TBN grants protections before it breaks and grants a Dark Art that can be used on a Flood or Edge, Eukrasian Diagnosis similarly protects and breaks to grant Addersting for the powerful damage attacks. An oversimplfication, sure, but it did help me to register how the job works a little easier, utilizing barriers to mitigate how much healing you need to do so you can spend most of your time dealing damage. I'm level 81 Sage right now, I'm still trying to get the hang of it.
In any event, I appreciate the video guide, and I'll be putting your tips into practice. I think my biggest problem is using too many of my barriers immediately, leaving me fewer resources later. I've heard people say that you should never have a full stack of 3 addersgalls, because if you do, it means you aren't utilizing them enough. So I've been looking for ways to use them, to the point that it's resulted in me unable to recover from a dire situation, so I've been trying to be less anxious and figure out when the right time is to use my tools. Sometimes it's been good, other times it's been rough.
I also tend to use Eukrasian Prognosis a lot more than Eukrasian Diagnosis, since it's just easy to press the AOE button instead of targeting the tank (I play on controller) but I'm getting into a better habit of using Eukrasian Diagnosis primarily, and using Eukrasian Prognosis when I know the entire party will get hit, but using Eukrasion Prognosis is still kind of an instinctual reflex due to how easy it is to use, always needing to remind myself that it's not as likely to quickly break, and provides less protection to the tank overall.
TLDR; I'm still learning, but hey. I've been getting a lot of commendations as Sage, so I must be doing something right at least. LOL
I've been playing Sage just from my own feeling up til now and watching your video helped a ton in maximizing my toolkit usage. Thanks a ton! Sage absolutely feels like a class that doesn't do that well at "catching up" but is great at dealing with incoming damage you know is coming.
One look at the buttons and I went Hank Hill mode.
"Do I look like I know what a 'Eukrasian Prognosis' is? I just want to heal my damn party"
Thank you for the guide!
I've avoided shield healers for the longest time, but I remembered your fun and interesting Scholar guide, and after watching the Sage guide too I decided it can't be too bad.
I didn't get it at first, and then it clicked when I realised I kept the tank up much better at the end of 120s healing CDs spamming Dyskrasia + Taurochole/Druochole - I shouldn't let the Kardia "HoT" drop at all, and should fit the high potency oGCD heals in, as an attempt to slow down the tank's drop in HP and also kill the mobs faster. Phlegma and Toxicon are enemy-targeted and
make it hard to do the oGCDs with target swap, so if I get rid of them first, I can Dyskrasia + Taurochole/Druochole freely.
Sage is quite impressive with its mitigation, in that usually when the tank stops after finishing the wall-to-wall pull, they barely take any damage due to high damage mitigation and healing amplification + Haima/Panhaima, and when the tank's HP starts to drop, that's when the mobs are nearly dead anyway.
Healing during boss pulls are quite comfy, as you can coast along spamming damage spells with just a smattering of Kerachole, Physis, Eukrasian Prognosis + Pepsis and some spot healing. Shields on tankbusters and party-wides are nice too. Shield healers have to be quite economical with MP since it's all CD or class resource-based, but it's great training - stops me from spamming excessing healing when I'm back on the regen healers.
I think I still have to work on using Addersgall a bit more to maintain high MP though. With repeated Dosis casts, MP plummets quite quickly.
I realised that GCD heals indicate that I've failed to set up pulls properly, or we've got issues with tank mitigation CD cycling, or we don't have enough DPS. It's only going to be a thing when things are really not looking good and all my oGCDs are gone.
i would love to see you do this with a gnb or drk as your tank, as warrior (in my opinion) is by far the easiest tank to heal in big dungeon pulls, with pld being very good too. i think it would show sage's struggles much better because the tank's health barely dips in this guide.
The only reason he's using a paladin in most of this footage is because I'm not leveling another tank as fast as I should have. Sorry for the inconvenience 😭
I have plenty of footage with both GBN and DRK as tanks and even planned on having a clip of GBN and DRK in there but unfortunately because every dungeon this expac has pretty heavy ties to the story none of it could be used for an accessible guide. Gunbreaker is actually better than Paladin as a tank in dungeons though and a proper Dark Knight is probably about even with PLD though it depends on how often they use TBN.
@@FFXIVMomo hm interesting, i really made this comment out of a concensus between most healers i've talked to about gnb/drk being much less enjoyable to heal. i was just suggesting to show footage of tanks that tend to not be able to self sustain as well. it doesnt take anything away from the guide, just something that may help demonstrate what sage looks like in rough situations.
@@neru1835 hahaha don't apologize, it was just a suggestion to see a sage in struggle mode. the video's goal was still achieved the same way.
Looking forward to your ast guide as well ^^
This video is great. One thing I'd like to add though is that if your tank is melting (Dying in under 5 seconds on pull) you should use Krasis+Haima or Panhaima. Then just do the rest normally.
I main as WHM and Sage was a lot harder than I thought it would be and I absolutely love it! Thank you for this video can't wait to use it in some dungeons. ☺️
Me, an Astro Main that just hit level 70 listening to the ability names: *wtf*
this whole time i've been overwriting kerachole with tauro smh ty it helped a lot
I'd like to "Push my limits slowly" but i run into tanks that barely use CDs and/or overlap them like vuln stacks. :c
I've been a WHM for 7 years but the tips here really help, especially cooldowns. If a dungeon takes ~30 mins, using Benediction from time to time from strong pulls doesn't hurt.
as a brand new healer AND sage, i was consistently letting my tank die not knowing what the hell i could have done further to prevent their death. After this video, i managed to come up with my own skill plans alongside yours to now be able to do even the hardest massive pulls with relative ease... sage really is a rewarding and fun job once the situation calls for it. thanks!
This is helpful ^^ just did my first few dungeons with sage today and I definitely see where I need to improve! It does help that I know the names of the spells tho 😂👌🏽 if I watched this before picking up sage I woulda been lost
Nice overview for Sage. I returned to FFXIV after 6 month now. This video is great for refreshing all the abilities. Nice work, as always ^^
Thanks. This is very well explained and put together.
wow this is amazing. I hope he releases a guide like this for AST in Dungeons
Every healer!
Best Sage video by far! thank you.
Thank you because of your guide I've become a better healer. Keep up the amazing work!!!
thank you so much for making this i've been so scared of my sage.
Finally, as an exclusive healer, some variety for DPS
Thank you so much for this. 👏
Bro, thanks for this video. First time being a healer and was at a loss.
I've found Sage is quite reliant on the party's effectiveness, unlike the other three healers. If the DPS aren't mowing down mobs quick enough (to reduce incoming damage) and or your tank isn't using cooldowns & mitigation (and spacing them out appropriately for that matter), a Sage can only do so much with its mitigation-based kit - you will go through all your cooldowns and have to spam (E) Diagnosis for a while. We have several Job changes coming in 6.01, so I hope SGE gets some QoL updates to make it easier to use independent of players in dungeons. For Trials and Raids though, it's just awesome.
This is not true, out of all the time I've played sage and any of the other healers, you can easily keep some of the most inexperienced tanks alive easily with your ogcd's, and if its so bad that they are dying too quickly, adding GCD's easily compensates for this. You just have to plan your ogcd's better, and it gets much comfier the more and more you play healer in general, not just sage. ^^
That's only true if you use too much mitigation too quickly. If you rotate them properly, you'll always almost have mitigation up. When you're wasteful, you'll run into situations like you described.
@@MrInsiipid The problem isn't having mitigation up. The problem is the mitigation not being enough in a given situation and how to recover the HP of a near dying tank and or party as a Sage provided you've done your part as a Sage correctly; Sage can struggle in doing this compared to the other healers for dungeon pulls.
@@grimm4927 That's good for you that you haven't experienced it. But don't discount my experience simply because you can't relate. I'm recounting what I've experienced as well as I what I have discussed with a myriad of other people.
To your other point, I already do space them out - I actually did everything in this video prior to its release, from alternating between Haima and Panhaima between pulls, Krasis/Physis into other healing actions, to using Holos as mitigation rather than for healing, etc. And yet, sometimes, I still have tanks eating ridiculous amounts of damage with no Benediction/Essential Dignity/Excogitation to restore a hefty chunk of it back. Mitigation counts for naught at that point.
GCDs are obviously used for compensation because of Kardia and what else is going to heal when your actions are on cooldown? While good, Sage can stand to be improved in my opinion. And I say this as a healer main myself.
@@Everlarke I wont discount the fact that you and the myriad of people you spoke to are just wrong. It absolutely holds its own in dungeons perfectly fine, but you are correct on one note- it is fantastic in raids.
Great content as always!
I had gotten spoiled playing WHM with their huge toolkit of burst heals. My poor tank had to pay the price for my assumptions during our first Tower of Zot run. Sage is not weak by any definition but the playstyle has taken some adjustment. Like you said, Sage is much more a pre-emptive and proactive type of healer. It's much more about mitigating the damage you know is coming.
Which can be kind of hard. Espacially at first try on bosses you don't know the mechanics off. Since you need to apply your stuff before damage happens, and if you don't know when damage happens it can be stressfull. :D
@@MeldinX2 except overhealing can lead to aggro onto sage. Some skills can pull massive aggro. The boss basically ignore the tank and sage becomes the tank throughout the remainder of the fight lol.