I’m anxiously awaiting my RC cds and found your videos this week. WOW!!! I’m even more excited about beginning this new journey! I haven’t watched all of your videos but if my package takes too long I can’t make any promises. LOL Thank you for all of the great insight! I may have more questions about the book printing and binding once my curriculum and printer arrive. I would love to be entered in your drawing, as well! Again, thanks for the great help!!!
I'm so excited for you! Awesome choice! I just sent out an email blast from my website that is RC related. Here is the link. It shows you how very affordable it is compared even to public school! mailchi.mp/76a80be83e4b/robinson-curriculum-for-the-win
@@ourhouse I checked and haven't received because I had not out in my email on your blog. Would you mind sending again? My email is crownof3jewels@aim.com and since I have put it in now I should receive future emails.
I personally was taught algebra through Saxon math, it got me from seriously NOT understanding algebra at all to getting a scholarship in college due to my SAT scores. I will forever be thankful for Saxon Algebra 1/2, 1 & 2.
I used Saxon Math in school back in the late 80s and 90s. I was unaware of the controversy until I saw what was probably the same 60 Minutes video you aired back in the early 90s. I still remember a critic saying that Saxon math makes students into math-solving robots and 15 year old me thought "isn't that what we want?" It stuck with me... To the point that 44 year old me searched for Saxon math online and found this video. In the years between I eventually realized that the educational establishment had no interest whatsoever in education. Looking back it makes complete and total sense that "the elites" would not want a successful man like this fixing education. Saxon was a realist; not some latte-sipping educrat looking for ways to maximize the cost of education.
Thank your for sharing! I've been teaching at public and Christian schools for the past 25+ years. For the past two years, I've been a learning support teacher at a Christian school that uses Saxon. Due to the pandemic and the current climate in public schools we've almost doubled in size the past two years, and have had huge retention rates of students. It has been a challenge for me to work with students who come in who have been taught so very differently in their public school. But, when I think about the whole picture, when the "elite" became the experts math scores have gotten worse, and the gap increases.
Saxon would make a great movie. War hero, a fighter, an outsider of the education world, who put everything on the line, mortgaging his house, to creat a new method of teaching math. Winner for best picture.... Saxon.
Saxon math is hell for gifted students who are genuinely interested in math, but it’s good at dragging reluctant students through math they’ll never use.
I've had great success with both "I hate math" students and extremely gifted students using Saxon Math; taught it since 2001. No student really knows when he'll use or not use certain math problem types; you're prepared if you do, and at the very least, it's great practice in problem solving. Saxon himself is a perfect example of a student who piddled through math, convinced he wouldn't use it, then had to go back and catch up on math he should have worked harder on, needing it to become a pilot.
We use Saxon. I love it and I feel my kids are getting a much better education with it. I have considered doing it myself because my math skills are not all that great.Well done video. Please enter me in the Math Flip give away.Thank you!
I really enjoy your videos especially the historical ones. I was just researching Saxon math and always heard such negative things about it. Thank you for the info on the editions, that was confusing. I think I’m gonna start using Saxon math. Also, I’d love to be entered in your drawing. Thanks again!!
I absolutely loved this study of the history of Saxon as it shows his love for children and their educations. I cried as I felt that he shouldn't have to ever have had it sold😭.
Wow this is GREAT information on Saxon. We have been back and forth with this program over the years, but I did notice a significant difference in the older texts. My oldest daughter used the 3rd edition several years ago and enjoyed math until we switched to the newer paperback texts. She hasn't liked Saxon math since and we have been from Saxon 3 to Algebra 2! So we made a switch for the whole family based on that experience...but realizing we could have stayed with the 3rd edition for the higher level maths has made me rethink. I appreciate the history behind John Saxon as well. A real eye-opener! Thanks again for this informative video.
I'm glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching and commenting. If you try it again, let me know if you notice a difference with the student experience in those older texts.
Thanks for this overview! I did Saxon all the way through, and it made my bachelor's in math a walk in the park. Would you mind sharing where you got your research? I want to dig a bit deeper into the history of this curriculum.
Great video, very insightful!! He truly was a man of war, glad he fought the good war! Wish u would giveaway a math book..I don't have 5/4 happened to be gifted with other levels. Thanks for your indepth video.
My high school back in the 1990’s used Saxon math. It was the best math program that I had ever taken. I am a little more on the Singapore math tract with my own kids, but we might switch to Saxon in the later years.
Our first Saxon book we tried last year was "Intermediate 5".... Our son couldn't handle it (nor could my husband who was helping him lol)... But now I've found you-and we 're starting Saxon 54 with our 5th grader. I found a first edition in print for an awesome price on Amazon.
Thank you so much for all this research! I feel so much more confident in my choices in teaching math to my three children! You are a great inspiration!
Hi, Karen. I absolutely LOVED this video. We are long-time Saxon users. We've used all the books beginning with Saxon K and my oldest just started Algebra 2. I've watched these video clips before because I'm a researcher, just like you. I would have loved to meet Mr. Saxon in person. I LOVE that he spoke his mind and that he recognized that all children are capable of learning math. I'm curious to know why you've chosen not to start your children with the lower levels of Saxon (K-3rd)? Is it because RC recommends not starting until they're ready for book 5/4? Keep these informative videos coming. Oh, and I would love to enter the give away for math games book. Thanks.
I have been thinking about it recently. That is why I have never considered it as I was under the assumption is was just "busy work" but I don't know..I am curious to try to find the lower levels of Saxon and see what they re about. I'm already doing something..so why not? I am open to it. Do you like the books? How long does a typical lesson take?
Each day begins with "warm-up" activities the student completes in their Meeting Book and on their Meeting Strip . It changes from year to year but generally it includes, adding the date to a calendar, logging and graphing the weather, counting money, extending patterns, making and reading graphs, counting, telling time and answering related questions, and other activities. Once I taught my kids how to do the Meeting Book exercises and how to fill out the meeting strip, they did this warm-up on their own. They then do a lesson with me which takes on average of 10 to 15 minutes. The last part is a practice worksheet they do on their own. All together, a typical math lesson takes about 30 minutes. Some lessons take longer (they make cookies as they learn to measure and follow a recipe, for example) Some families skip the warm-up altogether and jump right to the lesson. This is an option. I love the books. I will give you one piece of advice, the Kindergarten book seems to be at more of a Pre-School level so you might want to skip that one. I use it when my kids are in Pre-school but some families skip the kindergarten book and begin Saxon when their child is in the first grade.
Thank you so much for this information. I have been homeschooling my 4 kids for three years. My oldest is 8. I found an old video of Mr. Robinson talking about the way he raised his kids and what he did to homeschool them. I was amazed but thought too difficult with younger kids. I'm still learning but really love the self teaching common sense approach. I love your videos! Also, an old copy of Saxon would be a great give away 😜
Hi Monique, are you in my RC course for littles beta group? We are collectively making a really great course for families with young children starting RC. I am so excited for it to be out next month officially! I am doing a month of giveaways in June, maybe I will do a Saxon math giveaway! Thank you!
Thank you for this very interesting video. I never knew there was so much controversy surrounding Saxon. I had purchased Saxon this year through Robinson and was worried because the cover was so different. I just looked at the date and it said 2004, we are good. Thanks again!
We've been looking into Saxon and I honestly had no idea the history of the curriculum. It sounds like it would be a really good first for us. Thanks for the video!
Just a few lessons from Rays Arithmetic and a systematic way of memorizing math facts. I go over the process in depth with all the resources in my course. www.sustainablehomeschooling.com/rcforlittles
Thank you so much for this post. What about through Robinson curr. Do they keep the ed. 1,2,and 3? I just found your channel and I think you are so full of information. You have done your work. Also, I think you understand Robinson curriculum in a way that some of us (me)have not understood and you have made it doable. Thank you.thinking of trying it next yr. Maybe as supp to this yrs grade . Trying to get kids to be independent.
Hi Jessica! Thank you for the encouraging comment. I think you would really enjoy Dr. Fred Ray Lybrand's TH-cam channel. He has lots of great videos on raising independent thinkers and a former RC dad of 5 himself. I'm not sure what editions of Saxon you get when you order through RC but that's a good question! I will ask Mr. Arnold and let you know.
For the 9 Saxon Math books RC currently carries the following additions. I can give you more information on changes in editions if you'd like to email me at ourhouse.rodriguez@gmail.com 54 3rd 65 2nd 76 3rd 87 3rd Alg 1/2 3rd Alg 1 3rd Alg 2 3rd Advanced Math 2nd Calculus 2nd
Thank you ! Thank you ! We started and it was horrible. Sent them to school ..terrible. Now we are heading back to RC and planning for the fall. Watching all your videos. Thank you for sharing your experiences again Seems like you I may need Ray's Arithmetic and ofcourse focus on flash cards and math facts first. We initially used Saxon 1-3 (Larson) and it was like pulling teeth!! However not satisfied with christian school learning/texts or online math sites either... So glad to hear RC online provides other options as needed that are endorsed by RC. Thank you !
Another reason so many people like the old editions of Saxon is that some of the newer ones require a calculator. I just found your channel and subscribed... thanks for the chance to enter the giveaway!
That's good to know! We are also trying to figure out if there is a difference between the hardbacks and the spiral ones? Are the spiral ones just the new ones or for homeschoolers?
@@ourhouse Yes, I believe the spiral-bound and softcover books are marketed to homeschoolers. Unfortunately, I've heard that they don't hold up as well as the old hardback books, and while one set of hardback Saxon books could serve a family with multiple children and last, the softcover books usually need to be replaced after use by a couple of children.
Wow! We used Saxon for about two years when I was being homeschooled. It worked very well for us at that time. So I tried it last year with my own two children. However we did not enjoy the Saxon K or Saxon 3. They were very different from what I remember using (7/6 and 8/7). I really considered finding the old Edition Saxon 5/4 and trying that this year. That's not what the Lord led me to do, but I still think the old Edition Saxon books are excellent an curriculum. Thanks for doing these videos. We have plenty of math resources so I do not need to be included in the giveaway.
I think Rod and Staff Math 1-3 is the perfect foundation for Saxon....but you only need the Teachers Manuals...the workbooks are overkill and totally not needed as you can write a few problems from the manuals....they have word problems, a linear progression to counting practice, pictoral....but manipulative encouraged concept growth, linear progressions to learning math facts, and it teaches many strands of math money, fractions, place value in a hands on way. I love that I never have to purchase consumables and the kids are getting a solid foundation. By using the manuals solely without the workbooks one can skip the things that the child knows well periodically allowing the child to move forward quicker. I really can't stress enough how amazing these are for middle grade prep. Brandnew they run 15 dollars...ebay more like 10....they are so affordable.
I know this comment is old, but thank you for mentioning this! My firstborn is in R&S 2, and I (Saxon trained from 5/4 up, and a big fan) adore it. My son (and now I) have better number sense than I ever had, but amusingly, though I have the teacher's manuals, I've barely referred to them since about halfway through level one, and then getting going with level 2. I guess that's pretty silly, since it's the TG explanations that helped us most with conceptualizing place value and blowing me out of the water with both of our ease in large mental calculations! They are just set up so classroomishly, plus, since we use the workbooks, the repetition seems so unnecessary. We do skip or abbreviate things pretty regularly in the workbooks, though. I never thought of just using the teacher's guide! I will have to take another look! Although, I am trying to go less teacher-intensive (as much as I actually love that part), since I have an up-and-coming student to add... Thanks for sharing!
Saxon math was the only way my child could understand and be successful at math! she mastered the skills because they were constantly reviewed! We did Singapore for all the younger elementary math. It was good and solid but everytime we got to a review she forgot half of it! So "mastery program" titles are a bit misleading to me. How are they really mastering math if they can't remember what they did? Every child is different. For some kids constant review is not necessary. For me and my oldest to be successful at math we need constant review. When you learn ballet you introduce a new concept every class but review and practice basic steps for complete mastery and it to be second nature. As you incrementally learn ballet which is complex it can only really be mastered that way. My grandmother was in the American Ballet.
8:18 I know Dr. Wang. He's a great guy. After watching Forrest Gump, he and his wife invested in Apple stock and became millionaires which is hilarious to me.
As someone that lives in OK I found this extra interesting. I was looking into Saxon math because the private school in Norman that I want to send my daughter to go to uses Saxon. Interesting that Saxon lived in Norman. 😁
Oh wow - the woman at 4:25, "President of California's Math Council". This is exactly what I expect from someone with that title. Meanwhile, they guy who's careers depended on the application of mathematics did not have the ideas that were "good enough" because kids should learn "what they might need to save do something they want to do". Oh boy! Surpassing basic addition and subtraction skills doesn't mean they can't go back and use them. Ooof.
Great video thank you for showing all the mistakes you did so we won't make them. I was struggling so much on making a decision with the Saxon math book. I appreciate it you sooooooo much!!! God bless you.
I really appreciate hearing your experience with Saxon. I did Saxon when I was homeschooled and couldn't make it past Algebra 1. Hated it. So I didn't want to put my kids through that torture. My husband, however, did Saxon too and thinks it's great. We love Fred and have been doing it exclusively for a couple years. My 10-year-old is in Ice Cream and struggling. My husband suggested I try Saxon along with Fred. All I could see was the torture I went through, but I decided to take a look at Saxon from a different perspective, hence I watched your video. My 10-year-old is a fluent reader and has a good foundation in Math from Fred and a few other resources, so I think he's ready for Saxon 45. Do you use Saxon and Fred together? How do you make it work, with time constraints and all? That's what I'm worried about.
At first we saved Fred for weekends, times when we took off from school etc.. But then one day I sold it all. Suprinsingly my children have not asked once about it, they never say they miss Fred, and they do Saxon on their own without me telling them.. Even on Sunday mornings when they didn't have too. I think they really enjoy the structure, predictability, and being able to correct themselves and redo lessons as needed without me being the teacher. It all was a little bittersweet, but we are in a better place and I would have never imagined that years ago. I still bought Fred Calculus just to find out the back story lol then sold it. It helped us when we needed it and I was able to finally let it go. Just remember it's not a no, just a not right now. 😀 that helps me with these things.
Aww that's sweet. I'm going to work on something special..stay tunned lol.We still have about a hundred to go, hopefully we hit it before the new year :)
I enjoyed your video and would like to be included in your giveaway. I had gotten all those Saxon early editions and also had started too early with my oldest. I think we will try again.
Thanks for the informative video! I’m a *very* new mom (baby is due any day now) and want to be prepared for homeschool ahead of time so I really appreciate your videos. Am I required to be a patron to participate in the giveaway?
We made the switch to Saxon math in 4th grade, so that was Math 5/4. Do you know the difference between Saxon math hardcover and softcover? I get the hardcover ones, but recently heard that the softcover is more advanced? Please enter me in the giveaway :)
Are the softcover the newer editions? If so I think they do more 1/2 old concept 1/2 new. Or are the softcover the homeschool editions? That's a good question, I'll see if I can find an answer. I'm curious too.
If anyone is interested in a Saxon-type physics book, two of my friends wrote one which is based on the Advanced Placement Physics B curriculum. John Saxon did write a Physics book, and it is a good one, but it did not cover all of the material in the AP course. My friends took his book and adjusted and extended and improved it. The name of my friends' book is "Advanced Physics for High School Students" by Bohn and McVicker. Their book, like John's, is algebra-based Physics, just like the first course in College Physics at any American university. It is not calculus-based physics. Teachers who used this physics book were able to have students achieve the same remarkable results that students are able to achieve using John's mathematics books.
The RC advises against using any Physics course that is not based in calculus, even the Saxon Physics.. Calculus, not algebra, is the real language of Physics. As Dr. Robinson said,and many college professors will agree, algebra based Physics retards a student's ability to properly learn Physics. Real Physics requires calculus and public schools do a horrible job of teaching calculus. That is why they have to rely on an algebra based Physics courses.
Life of Fred. My oldest likes Saxon but it takes too much time for him to get through it. He would be in his 20s before he could graduate at the pace he goes through the book (took a full year to finish through lesson 85....in one book). I prefer LOF anyway. I wish I had that instead of Saxon because I did terribly with it. Always thought I was stupid and hated math because I couldn't do Saxon well. My siblings did great though - my brother is an engineer and my sister has a degree in forensic science. I was the only one who struggled with it.
At 37 years old when I got into John Saxon books I had never understood math I can't even comprehend the level of crime that it is got to teach his books and school or the level of treachery that a man could have in his heart that would withhold this type of learning experience from children had I had his books whenever I was a child I probably would have excelled in math because like doing it so much and they just so blatantly lie to parents so that they can keep their Monopoly this has got to end
To that interview with that woman I think where else would you find that would be John Saxon Math books because you don't need anybody to teach you he did such a good job that you can pick it up and learn automatic
You can take his books and educate yourself in stuff no other book will teach you whenever I was in prison the only algebra book that I can make any sense of was his new teachers in there to teach me algebra do you understand all the algebra books that were in there trash you can't learn anything from that so I don't understand how there could be a controversy unless you're against learning I guess the world right now doesn't stand for any kind of Truth so why wouldn't you be against learning
I’m anxiously awaiting my RC cds and found your videos this week. WOW!!! I’m even more excited about beginning this new journey! I haven’t watched all of your videos but if my package takes too long I can’t make any promises. LOL Thank you for all of the great insight! I may have more questions about the book printing and binding once my curriculum and printer arrive. I would love to be entered in your drawing, as well! Again, thanks for the great help!!!
I'm so excited for you! Awesome choice! I just sent out an email blast from my website that is RC related. Here is the link. It shows you how very affordable it is compared even to public school! mailchi.mp/76a80be83e4b/robinson-curriculum-for-the-win
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I personally was taught algebra through Saxon math, it got me from seriously NOT understanding algebra at all to getting a scholarship in college due to my SAT scores. I will forever be thankful for Saxon Algebra 1/2, 1 & 2.
I used Saxon Math in school back in the late 80s and 90s. I was unaware of the controversy until I saw what was probably the same 60 Minutes video you aired back in the early 90s. I still remember a critic saying that Saxon math makes students into math-solving robots and 15 year old me thought "isn't that what we want?"
It stuck with me... To the point that 44 year old me searched for Saxon math online and found this video.
In the years between I eventually realized that the educational establishment had no interest whatsoever in education. Looking back it makes complete and total sense that "the elites" would not want a successful man like this fixing education. Saxon was a realist; not some latte-sipping educrat looking for ways to maximize the cost of education.
Exactly!!
Thank your for sharing! I've been teaching at public and Christian schools for the past 25+ years. For the past two years, I've been a learning support teacher at a Christian school that uses Saxon. Due to the pandemic and the current climate in public schools we've almost doubled in size the past two years, and have had huge retention rates of students. It has been a challenge for me to work with students who come in who have been taught so very differently in their public school. But, when I think about the whole picture, when the "elite" became the experts math scores have gotten worse, and the gap increases.
Wow, thank you for sharing what’s going on. It must be challenging no doubt, god bless you for the work you are doing to un-do a lot of the damage.
That video of Saxon saying that black kids & latino kids have the same grey matter & we can't water down the curriculum. Made me cry.
Yes!
Saxon would make a great movie. War hero, a fighter, an outsider of the education world, who put everything on the line, mortgaging his house, to creat a new method of teaching math. Winner for best picture.... Saxon.
YES! It totally would, you're right!
Saxon math is hell for gifted students who are genuinely interested in math, but it’s good at dragging reluctant students through math they’ll never use.
I've had great success with both "I hate math" students and extremely gifted students using Saxon Math; taught it since 2001. No student really knows when he'll use or not use certain math problem types; you're prepared if you do, and at the very least, it's great practice in problem solving. Saxon himself is a perfect example of a student who piddled through math, convinced he wouldn't use it, then had to go back and catch up on math he should have worked harder on, needing it to become a pilot.
We use Saxon. I love it and I feel my kids are getting a much better education with it. I have considered doing it myself because my math skills are not all that great.Well done video. Please enter me in the Math Flip give away.Thank you!
I have been thinking about doing it myself too!
Wow! Thank you for this video Mrs. Rodriguez, excellent!
I really enjoy your videos especially the historical ones. I was just researching Saxon math and always heard such negative things about it. Thank you for the info on the editions, that was confusing. I think I’m gonna start using Saxon math. Also, I’d love to be entered in your drawing. Thanks again!!
I absolutely loved this study of the history of Saxon as it shows his love for children and their educations. I cried as I felt that he shouldn't have to ever have had it sold😭.
It is unfortunate, I'm glad we can still find "pure Saxon" books out there.
Wow this is GREAT information on Saxon. We have been back and forth with this program over the years, but I did notice a significant difference in the older texts. My oldest daughter used the 3rd edition several years ago and enjoyed math until we switched to the newer paperback texts. She hasn't liked Saxon math since and we have been from Saxon 3 to Algebra 2! So we made a switch for the whole family based on that experience...but realizing we could have stayed with the 3rd edition for the higher level maths has made me rethink. I appreciate the history behind John Saxon as well. A real eye-opener! Thanks again for this informative video.
I'm glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching and commenting. If you try it again, let me know if you notice a difference with the student experience in those older texts.
Thanks for this overview! I did Saxon all the way through, and it made my bachelor's in math a walk in the park. Would you mind sharing where you got your research? I want to dig a bit deeper into the history of this curriculum.
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Thank you!
I’d like to be included!! 😃 that looks awesome!
I’m going to have to look into Saxon math more lol I tend to like controversial ideas haha
I use the saxon books with Nicole the Math Lady online. My kids are doing well!
Great video, very insightful!! He truly was a man of war, glad he fought the good war! Wish u would giveaway a math book..I don't have 5/4 happened to be gifted with other levels. Thanks for your indepth video.
My high school back in the 1990’s used Saxon math. It was the best math program that I had ever taken. I am a little more on the Singapore math tract with my own kids, but we might switch to Saxon in the later years.
That was so interesting Karen. Thanks
Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for this video. I loved it. My little girl struggles with Math and I just wanted her free from feeling frustrated with it.
Maybe this clip will be helpful too th-cam.com/video/g0IxpSu-mjE/w-d-xo.html
Very informative.
Our first Saxon book we tried last year was "Intermediate 5".... Our son couldn't handle it (nor could my husband who was helping him lol)... But now I've found you-and we 're starting Saxon 54 with our 5th grader. I found a first edition in print for an awesome price on Amazon.
Yes. This is a brilliant video.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Thank you so much for all this research! I feel so much more confident in my choices in teaching math to my three children! You are a great inspiration!
Thank you for the kind words and for watching and commenting! You can do it, I'm cheering for you!
Hi, Karen. I absolutely LOVED this video. We are long-time Saxon users. We've used all the books beginning with Saxon K and my oldest just started Algebra 2. I've watched these video clips before because I'm a researcher, just like you. I would have loved to meet Mr. Saxon in person. I LOVE that he spoke his mind and that he recognized that all children are capable of learning math. I'm curious to know why you've chosen not to start your children with the lower levels of Saxon (K-3rd)? Is it because RC recommends not starting until they're ready for book 5/4? Keep these informative videos coming. Oh, and I would love to enter the give away for math games book. Thanks.
I have been thinking about it recently. That is why I have never considered it as I was under the assumption is was just "busy work" but I don't know..I am curious to try to find the lower levels of Saxon and see what they re about. I'm already doing something..so why not? I am open to it. Do you like the books? How long does a typical lesson take?
Each day begins with "warm-up" activities the student completes in their Meeting Book and on their Meeting Strip . It changes from year to year but generally it includes, adding the date to a calendar, logging and graphing the weather, counting money, extending patterns, making and reading graphs, counting, telling time and answering related questions, and other activities. Once I taught my kids how to do the Meeting Book exercises and how to fill out the meeting strip, they did this warm-up on their own. They then do a lesson with me which takes on average of 10 to 15 minutes. The last part is a practice worksheet they do on their own. All together, a typical math lesson takes about 30 minutes. Some lessons take longer (they make cookies as they learn to measure and follow a recipe, for example) Some families skip the warm-up altogether and jump right to the lesson. This is an option. I love the books. I will give you one piece of advice, the Kindergarten book seems to be at more of a Pre-School level so you might want to skip that one. I use it when my kids are in Pre-school but some families skip the kindergarten book and begin Saxon when their child is in the first grade.
Awesome, thanks for the helpful info!
Thank you so much for this information. I have been homeschooling my 4 kids for three years. My oldest is 8. I found an old video of Mr. Robinson talking about the way he raised his kids and what he did to homeschool them. I was amazed but thought too difficult with younger kids. I'm still learning but really love the self teaching common sense approach. I love your videos! Also, an old copy of Saxon would be a great give away 😜
Hi Monique, are you in my RC course for littles beta group? We are collectively making a really great course for families with young children starting RC. I am so excited for it to be out next month officially! I am doing a month of giveaways in June, maybe I will do a Saxon math giveaway! Thank you!
LOVE these videos!!!!! I used Saxon when I was in school and so did my husband.
Thank you for this very interesting video. I never knew there was so much controversy surrounding Saxon. I had purchased Saxon this year through Robinson and was worried because the cover was so different. I just looked at the date and it said 2004, we are good. Thanks again!
We've been looking into Saxon and I honestly had no idea the history of the curriculum. It sounds like it would be a really good first for us. Thanks for the video!
Thank you so much for this video!!!
Do you only use Ray's primary arithmetic prior to saxon 54 for your kids or all of the Ray's artihmetics before?
Just a few lessons from Rays Arithmetic and a systematic way of memorizing math facts. I go over the process in depth with all the resources in my course. www.sustainablehomeschooling.com/rcforlittles
I LOVE this review!
Well done. Very clear!
Thank you so much for this post. What about through Robinson curr. Do they keep the ed. 1,2,and 3?
I just found your channel and I think you are so full of information. You have done your work. Also, I think you understand Robinson curriculum in a way that some of us (me)have not understood and you have made it doable. Thank you.thinking of trying it next yr. Maybe as supp to this yrs grade . Trying to get kids to be independent.
Hi Jessica! Thank you for the encouraging comment. I think you would really enjoy Dr. Fred Ray Lybrand's TH-cam channel. He has lots of great videos on raising independent thinkers and a former RC dad of 5 himself.
I'm not sure what editions of Saxon you get when you order through RC but that's a good question! I will ask Mr. Arnold and let you know.
For the 9 Saxon Math books RC currently carries the following additions. I can give you more information on changes in editions if you'd like to email me at ourhouse.rodriguez@gmail.com
54 3rd
65 2nd
76 3rd
87 3rd
Alg 1/2 3rd
Alg 1 3rd
Alg 2 3rd
Advanced Math 2nd
Calculus 2nd
Awesome video! I would love the old Saxon books.
Mandella Effect: I was positive that my Geometry class back in 1990 used a Saxon mathbook. 😨
Lol!
If you buy the older saxon math books, how do you know the right answers for your students?
You have to make sure you buy a matching answer key.
Thank you ! Thank you !
We started and it was horrible. Sent them to school ..terrible. Now we are heading back to RC and planning for the fall. Watching all your videos. Thank you for sharing your experiences again
Seems like you I may need Ray's Arithmetic and ofcourse focus on flash cards and math facts first. We initially used Saxon 1-3 (Larson) and it was like pulling teeth!! However not satisfied with christian school learning/texts or online math sites either... So glad to hear RC online provides other options as needed that are endorsed by RC. Thank you !
What to do after finishing Saxon 8/7? Please, help me. :)
Algebra 1/2
@@ourhouse Thank you! God bless you. (OSAS!)
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Another reason so many people like the old editions of Saxon is that some of the newer ones require a calculator. I just found your channel and subscribed... thanks for the chance to enter the giveaway!
That's good to know! We are also trying to figure out if there is a difference between the hardbacks and the spiral ones? Are the spiral ones just the new ones or for homeschoolers?
@@ourhouse Yes, I believe the spiral-bound and softcover books are marketed to homeschoolers. Unfortunately, I've heard that they don't hold up as well as the old hardback books, and while one set of hardback Saxon books could serve a family with multiple children and last, the softcover books usually need to be replaced after use by a couple of children.
@@kaltaylor01 thank you so much for the info!
Wow! We used Saxon for about two years when I was being homeschooled. It worked very well for us at that time. So I tried it last year with my own two children. However we did not enjoy the Saxon K or Saxon 3. They were very different from what I remember using (7/6 and 8/7). I really considered finding the old Edition Saxon 5/4 and trying that this year. That's not what the Lord led me to do, but I still think the old Edition Saxon books are excellent an curriculum.
Thanks for doing these videos. We have plenty of math resources so I do not need to be included in the giveaway.
Thank you for your feedback!
I think Rod and Staff Math 1-3 is the perfect foundation for Saxon....but you only need the Teachers Manuals...the workbooks are overkill and totally not needed as you can write a few problems from the manuals....they have word problems, a linear progression to counting practice, pictoral....but manipulative encouraged concept growth, linear progressions to learning math facts, and it teaches many strands of math money, fractions, place value in a hands on way. I love that I never have to purchase consumables and the kids are getting a solid foundation. By using the manuals solely without the workbooks one can skip the things that the child knows well periodically allowing the child to move forward quicker. I really can't stress enough how amazing these are for middle grade prep. Brandnew they run 15 dollars...ebay more like 10....they are so affordable.
Very nice, thanks for sharing!
I know this comment is old, but thank you for mentioning this! My firstborn is in R&S 2, and I (Saxon trained from 5/4 up, and a big fan) adore it. My son (and now I) have better number sense than I ever had, but amusingly, though I have the teacher's manuals, I've barely referred to them since about halfway through level one, and then getting going with level 2. I guess that's pretty silly, since it's the TG explanations that helped us most with conceptualizing place value and blowing me out of the water with both of our ease in large mental calculations! They are just set up so classroomishly, plus, since we use the workbooks, the repetition seems so unnecessary. We do skip or abbreviate things pretty regularly in the workbooks, though. I never thought of just using the teacher's guide! I will have to take another look! Although, I am trying to go less teacher-intensive (as much as I actually love that part), since I have an up-and-coming student to add...
Thanks for sharing!
It is so funny he taught at Rose State! I live just down the road from it.
Great information as always! You are great with your videos. Keep up the good work. Thank you! I would love to be included please.
Saxon math was the only way my child could understand and be successful at math! she mastered the skills because they were constantly reviewed! We did Singapore for all the younger elementary math. It was good and solid but everytime we got to a review she forgot half of it! So "mastery program" titles are a bit misleading to me. How are they really mastering math if they can't remember what they did? Every child is different. For some kids constant review is not necessary. For me and my oldest to be successful at math we need constant review. When you learn ballet you introduce a new concept every class but review and practice basic steps for complete mastery and it to be second nature. As you incrementally learn ballet which is complex it can only really be mastered that way. My grandmother was in the American Ballet.
You must understand where he taught. Not even okc but midwest city. He knows exactly what he is talking about. Sadly public schools didnt step up.
8:18 I know Dr. Wang. He's a great guy. After watching Forrest Gump, he and his wife invested in Apple stock and became millionaires which is hilarious to me.
Btw his name is pronounced like "Wong" not "Wayng"
Cool Prize give away! I'll like to be included in the new giveaway! Thanks!
As someone that lives in OK I found this extra interesting. I was looking into Saxon math because the private school in Norman that I want to send my daughter to go to uses Saxon. Interesting that Saxon lived in Norman. 😁
Yes, you are in Saxon country! lol I have more Saxon related content in the works too.
I'm enjoying your channel so much. Thank you! Please enter me in the giveaway.
Oh wow - the woman at 4:25, "President of California's Math Council". This is exactly what I expect from someone with that title. Meanwhile, they guy who's careers depended on the application of mathematics did not have the ideas that were "good enough" because kids should learn "what they might need to save do something they want to do". Oh boy! Surpassing basic addition and subtraction skills doesn't mean they can't go back and use them. Ooof.
What an informative video. Awesome job. I'd love to be entered in the giveaway.
Great video thank you for showing all the mistakes you did so we won't make them. I was struggling so much on making a decision with the Saxon math book. I appreciate it you sooooooo much!!! God bless you.
Glad it was helpful!
I really appreciate hearing your experience with Saxon. I did Saxon when I was homeschooled and couldn't make it past Algebra 1. Hated it. So I didn't want to put my kids through that torture. My husband, however, did Saxon too and thinks it's great. We love Fred and have been doing it exclusively for a couple years. My 10-year-old is in Ice Cream and struggling. My husband suggested I try Saxon along with Fred. All I could see was the torture I went through, but I decided to take a look at Saxon from a different perspective, hence I watched your video. My 10-year-old is a fluent reader and has a good foundation in Math from Fred and a few other resources, so I think he's ready for Saxon 45. Do you use Saxon and Fred together? How do you make it work, with time constraints and all? That's what I'm worried about.
At first we saved Fred for weekends, times when we took off from school etc.. But then one day I sold it all. Suprinsingly my children have not asked once about it, they never say they miss Fred, and they do Saxon on their own without me telling them.. Even on Sunday mornings when they didn't have too. I think they really enjoy the structure, predictability, and being able to correct themselves and redo lessons as needed without me being the teacher. It all was a little bittersweet, but we are in a better place and I would have never imagined that years ago. I still bought Fred Calculus just to find out the back story lol then sold it. It helped us when we needed it and I was able to finally let it go. Just remember it's not a no, just a not right now. 😀 that helps me with these things.
You are almost to 1000 subscribers! YAY!!😁
I should do a big giveaway for it, I need ideas!
Our House ....or we could send you something for all of your hard work😉. What things make you hug them and get giddy....for me it is math textbooks.
Aww that's sweet. I'm going to work on something special..stay tunned lol.We still have about a hundred to go, hopefully we hit it before the new year :)
Our House you will!
@@ourhouse rewatching as you hit10000!
I enjoyed your video and would like to be included in your giveaway. I had gotten all those Saxon early editions and also had started too early with my oldest. I think we will try again.
Thanks for the informative video! I’m a *very* new mom (baby is due any day now) and want to be prepared for homeschool ahead of time so I really appreciate your videos. Am I required to be a patron to participate in the giveaway?
This is an old giveaway, but I am hosting a month of giveaways in June so stay tuned :)
Our House haha I see that it is a year old 😂 thank you for responding, I’ll check next time!
Very interesting! Awesome video as usual! I would like to be entered please :0)
Leaving a giveaway entry from the blog for Nerdymommyof4.com
I would love to be included in your give away. Your video was amazing
I’m sorry, it’s an old video that giveaway is over.
I’m really enjoying these videos. Please enter me
There was no controversy. Only jealousy from those who didn't like Saxon's results.
We made the switch to Saxon math in 4th grade, so that was Math 5/4. Do you know the difference between Saxon math hardcover and softcover? I get the hardcover ones, but recently heard that the softcover is more advanced? Please enter me in the giveaway :)
Are the softcover the newer editions? If so I think they do more 1/2 old concept 1/2 new. Or are the softcover the homeschool editions? That's a good question, I'll see if I can find an answer. I'm curious too.
All you need is the textbook? No worksheets or anything?
The textbook and paper and pencil but also the answer key.
I would love to be entered into the giveaway!
I always thought the reason people didn't like it was just because homeschoolers used it
If anyone is interested in a Saxon-type physics book, two of my friends wrote one which is based on the Advanced Placement Physics B curriculum. John Saxon did write a Physics book, and it is a good one, but it did not cover all of the material in the AP course. My friends took his book and adjusted and extended and improved it. The name of my friends' book is "Advanced Physics for High School Students" by Bohn and McVicker. Their book, like John's, is algebra-based Physics, just like the first course in College Physics at any American university. It is not calculus-based physics. Teachers who used this physics book were able to have students achieve the same remarkable results that students are able to achieve using John's mathematics books.
Thanks for letting us know!
The RC advises against using any Physics course that is not based in calculus, even the Saxon Physics.. Calculus, not algebra, is the real language of Physics. As Dr. Robinson said,and many college professors will agree, algebra based Physics retards a student's ability to properly learn Physics. Real Physics requires calculus and public schools do a horrible job of teaching calculus. That is why they have to rely on an algebra based Physics courses.
I'm in okc
Thanks for the video. I’d love a chance to win something!
I’d like to enter the giveaway!
Please include me in the next giveaway!
Clicks on thumbnail.. great, I can finally learn about maths in Dark Ages Europe... oh right
Ha! Sorry to disappoint.
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Not a fan of Saxon. I used it as a homeschooled child and even gave it a go as a homeschool parent. I just don't like it 😭
What kind of math program do you like to use?
Life of Fred. My oldest likes Saxon but it takes too much time for him to get through it. He would be in his 20s before he could graduate at the pace he goes through the book (took a full year to finish through lesson 85....in one book). I prefer LOF anyway. I wish I had that instead of Saxon because I did terribly with it. Always thought I was stupid and hated math because I couldn't do Saxon well. My siblings did great though - my brother is an engineer and my sister has a degree in forensic science. I was the only one who struggled with it.
I really like Life of Fred too!
At 37 years old when I got into John Saxon books I had never understood math I can't even comprehend the level of crime that it is got to teach his books and school or the level of treachery that a man could have in his heart that would withhold this type of learning experience from children had I had his books whenever I was a child I probably would have excelled in math because like doing it so much and they just so blatantly lie to parents so that they can keep their Monopoly this has got to end
To that interview with that woman I think where else would you find that would be John Saxon Math books because you don't need anybody to teach you he did such a good job that you can pick it up and learn automatic
You can take his books and educate yourself in stuff no other book will teach you whenever I was in prison the only algebra book that I can make any sense of was his new teachers in there to teach me algebra do you understand all the algebra books that were in there trash you can't learn anything from that so I don't understand how there could be a controversy unless you're against learning I guess the world right now doesn't stand for any kind of Truth so why wouldn't you be against learning