Rolleiflex 2.8e versus Mamiya C330
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Hello Eduardo. Thank you very much for this great comparison. You can actually do double exposure with the Rolleiflex. There is a ring around the crank which you have to pull into the direction of the arrow while cranking the shutter.
THANK YOU for this! I had no idea.
EduardoPavezGoye Heeello Eduardo. Also thank you, very much enjoying your videos!
To add to Matthias' comment: there is also a way to tell the parallax with the rolleiflex! In the viewfinder there is a black "ribbon" or belt which moves in and out of frame at the top and bottom as you adjust the focus allowing you to tell what is actually in frame and what isnt due to parallax difference. :)
@@C.Abbenfield I came to the comments to say this. Apart from lens swaps (you can always buy a Rolleiflex tele and a Wide, wink wink) the Germans really implemented every possible feature in these cameras. its just that the solution was often so elegant and subtle (a needle in frame to show parallax? pfft) that you fail to notice them like in your case :) happy shooting
I have Rolleiflex contact i wanna sell
@@C.Abbenfield Good point, but everyone using a Rollei MUST know this. Why comparing cameras of which one doesn't know such essentials as parallax compensation?!
Eduardo, the way you say Mamiya is magical
mama-mamiya
Chileno?
I was just going to say the same thing! I could listen to him say it all-day haha
The real pronunciation is "Mommy, ya got a ticket?" No syllable is louder or stressed, but if you can't avoid it, stress on the first syllable sounds a lot closer than pretending it's Italian. --30 year Japanese speaker
Yes it's magical.
The Mamiya has better contrast and definitely better depth of field than the Rollei. In addition, you can change lenses with the Mamiya as well. Except for the weight, the Mamiya has a much better price/performance ratio.
I've owned my C330S for over a decade but have always wanted a Rolleiflex. Thanks for doing the comparison.
I love my Mamiyas, and you have assuaged my desire to own a Rollei, thank you so much. It's like a weight has been lifted.
I love the way you say "Mamiya" with latin flair.
i was suprised how good the images of the Mamiya looked .
Thanks Eduardo. My 330 has become my favourite camera. It’s great to see the comparison and the detail you went into. Really appreciate your work. Thanks again
Thanks so much for taking the time to do this. I have a C330, and while the size of the Rollei is appealing, it’s not enough to justify the price difference to me.
I love my C330 S, it’s such a great camera! Love your videos man!
There is a photo on the back that is up side down. Hehe
EXCELLENT. Great comparison, illustration of details and discussion... and great to see comparison images. Thank you.
Your vids are very interesting and informative. Thank you for doing them
Excellent comparison! Thank you!
I just obtained a C3330 in great condition. Thank you for a great video
RS. Canada
So happy I stumbled upon your channel. This video helped make up my mind!
I love my Mamiya C330. Congrats for your videos, they are awesome!
Great comparison. I love my mamiya and use it with the 55mm, such a good combo.
Nice video, i have both cameras, Mamiya is the best, but Rollei is my love.
Great video, thank you for sharing your experience. The Mamiya c330f is my favourite camera, it is so much fun to shoot.
I have always wanted one of those Mamiyas. Nice comparison.
When I started working for a wedding studio, I was issued a Yashica TLR camera. When I started shooting weddings, portraits, and product shots on my own, I purchased a Mamiya TLR because I needed interchangeable lenses. I usually used 55mm wide-angle, 80mm normal, and 180mm telephoto lenses.
Good comparison! Been shooting the C330 for nearly 2 years now and love it! I have often considered the Rollei but was put off by the price. Recently I found a Yashica D with the newer Yashinon lens and it’s marvellous! Similar size to the Rollei but lighter. The lens only opens to 3.5 but I don’t find that to be an issue with MF cameras. Also the VF on the Yashica seems plenty enough.
Great video again Eduardo, thanks!
Nice review! Your work is appreciated!
Excellent camera comparison. Informative and well presented, but the lovely Fran stole the show. Great video. 👍
Llevo 6 meses aprox sacando fotografías y mañana 15 de Diciembre comprare la Mamiya C330, la fotografía me ha hecho felíz y al ver este vídeo he sentido una felicidad cómo cuando eri pendejo y estas emocionado por los regalos de navidad, gracias por eso Ed!
Hello Eduardo, great job! Thank you for sharing.
Love my C220 and I’m always impressed by the images. And like you said, it’s a tank and I’m not afraid to lug it around.
Thanks a lot. I learned a lot about the Mamiya (I’m familiar w/ the ‘Flex.). Good work! And good luck to you.
Hey Eduardo, thanks for this video! Watched it several times. I used to shoot with a Mamiya C3 and found it cumbersome for street/field work except for product photography on location. For a while, I had a Rolleicord in my possession (not a Rolleiflex, but closer than a Mamiya) and found it easier for casual work. The Mamiya was great on a tripod in the studio for portraits; on the other hand, Avedon used a Rolleiflex for some of his portraiture. Eventually, I gave up on TLRs and used a Hasselblad 500C/M which became the workhorse of my studio along with my Calumet 4x5. I still miss the Mamiya C3 though. A great camera. Oh, and btw, the Seiko shutter on the Mamiya never stuck or slowed down like the Rollei shutters. Thanks again for the video!
Great comparison. I opted for the Mamiya because of the interchangeable lens selection. Both are excellent TLR's though.
Thank you for this video. Ordered your zines, great images, Picked up a Rolliecord and now for closeups a C220 802.8. Excellent cameras. Come to Florida again and Ill buy you some coffee.
Great video. I just recently acquired my Mamiya C2 which is a bit smaller and lighter and I am very happy with the 80mm F 2.8. Based on some info on line the lens formula on both cameras seem to be the same Planar 6 elements in 5 groups so it is no wonder the pictures look very similar too.
Ahhh, que bello. Mañana tendré en mis manos la C330. Gracias por el review, mate.
Awesome video man! Thing is the 2.8f Planar would have been closer to the c330f. Thanks for sharing this. Your videos are always awesome!
I wasn't sure that I wanted to get this Mamiya c330 that was at the shop or wait for a flex f2.8 to fall from the sky, and man this video sold me. Just put my first roll in my first medium format and c330 thanks for this fantastic review.
Used a C330 since 1971 . . . there is nothing quite like it. Moved up to 6x7, but the C330 was more like a part of me. Now, shoot mostly 4:3 or with a Pentax 645z.
Desde hacer unos meses llevo buscando información sobre cámaras TLR tús videos siempre son de ayuda, encontré una cámara Walzflex con un montón de accesorios, se que no es top notch pero es un buen inicio, gracias!
Nice but I'll stick with my Yaschica Mat-124G. 📸😜📸
Una clase magistral. Y las dudas volaron. ¡Gracias!
Thanks for making this video. I already had a C330 and recently bought a Rollei 2.8. Great job on comparing the pros and cons. *** ALSO Where can I find out more about the jazz music in this video?? it was great.
I’ve owned and used both. I’d pick the Rolleiflex every single time.
Rolleiflex cameras have paralax correction. Their is a moving mask under the focusing glass that corrects for paralax when you focus. You never have to worry about paralax with a Rollei. It's far better than the little bar in the Mamiya. Even the close up filters are paralax corrected as the top one has a prism inside. I love TLRs but the Mamiya is just too big and bulky. You might as well get an SLR if you want interchangeable lenses. I recomend Yashica, Minolta or Rollei TLRs for a much nicer experience. I also have a French SemFlex which is great and relatively inexpensive but also rare and obscure.
Brian A. I was about to say the same. Rolleiflex just correct the whole image. Simple, elegant. I love my Rolleiflex for that, but I also love my RZ for different use ;)
I wouldn't touch any TLR that didn't have interchangeable lenses plus Mamiya has bellows close up focusing!
I've shot with my Rolleiflex for years but never noticed this! Sure enough the top and bottom of the ground glass moves when focusing!
Try getting as close as the lens will allow and you'll find that parralex compensation is useless. I've owned 4 Rolleiflex cameras. They are over priced 1950's technology.
Super video and lovely jazz music
I have a Mamiya C330 with the 105 mm lens. Takes great pictures, easy to use, and relatively inexpensive. Great camera and you have a great presentation.
I have a Mamiya C220, and also a Yashica 'A' which are great cameras to own. I've not used the Mamiya yet having inherited it from my Uncle, the 'A' has been in the family for years and I recall taking photos with it when younger. I'll have to get some film and get back into it a tear myself away from my digital Cannons and Panasonic. Love the films and you advocacy of film photography,
Great video as usual thanks for sharing this with us. Always love watching your videos
I can't count the number of weddings and portraits I did 'back in the day' with trusty C330f. But, for mobility, a Yashica MAT is a good choice. The Yashinon lens is superb and it's light and fairly compact. Wonderful to see all these old beauties having a renaissance!!
Hey Eduardo - great comparison video, maybe one of your best! Very well structured review, and the real-world comparison with pictures at the end was perfect :)
Wonderful cameras!
Sencillamente genial todo el vídeo. Mí admiración por Maier siempre me llevo a querer una Rollei pero hoy aprendi mucho sobre comprar utilidad, no marcas.
Your content is amazing. ✌🏼
Great presentation! Thanks!
I can't see why the Rolleiflex is so much more expensive! It's more limited without changing lenses ! And Fran looks more afraid as on the Mamiya pictures ;-)
To be honest, it's just the renown and a mystic flair - nothing more! The lenses are very good, but the Mamiyas are same, sometimes better! And you can take a 55mm, 65mm, 80mm, 105mm, 135mm, 180mm, 250mm... so there is no more to say. First I want the C330F, but I picked up a C220 wich is a little more robust and I really love her!
Thanks for that informative video I really enjoyed.
Thanks for video. It was a Great help 🙏🏼
I have the 2.8e with the Xenotar lens and love it. Yes, the focussing screen is a little dim and the magnifier doesn't cover the screen, but it still a beautiful camera that produces beautiful images! :)
great video. tx for sharing experience
Lovely video. Thoroughly enjoyed. Thanks a lot. i have subscribed.
Thank you for the great video. It let me know that I made a great decision when I bought my Mamiya C330. Of course I will still lust after the Rolleiflex 2.8.
I love my C330. There's no way I could justify the cost of a Rolleiflex. Thanks for the comparison though.
Adam Analogue I have both, and can say the Mamiya is more of a bargain and a more solid built camera in my opinion. I paid around 250.00 for my Rolleiflex a while back and today it’s hard to find a good one for less than 500 bucks.
I much prefer the mamiyas photos although the size is the compromise I think it’s worth it for the quality. And that viewfinder is just beautiful!
Keep it up I love your channel!
Also, something to consider on the Vb, is the focus screen just pops out, no tools required.
If you like the Rolleiflex form factor, but at Mamiya prices, you should check the Yashica Mat124 and Mat124G. They're f3.5 only, but they are fantastic for the price.
I use the yashicamat 124 and adore it. It's got all the ergonomics and clever design of the rollei but with a built-in, very accurate light meter.
is 124G a leaf shutter as well? cause im looking into the rollei 3.5f or the 124G atm
It has a very quiet leaf shutter. I have the 124 which is the same as the 124g except it has a beautiful chrome trim and doesn't have gold contacts for the meter (not at all significant imo).
Holy shit are you heroesforsale?
haha yeah - i'm into film stuff too & really like this channel
Really great video as always. I take it you're aware that the picture behind you is upside down? :)
Hello there! Thank you for the great video! I have a view TLRs, those two, the different Mamiya lenses and a Meopta... I like them all and use them for different reasons on different occasions: in one I shoot colour film in the other one black and white, one I use for landscapes one for close ups or portraits, one for city walks ... one for the day out at the seaside. What I like with the mamiya lenses is the outcome with Kodak portra films... maybe my personal impression. the fixed lenses I use with 400 fomapan mostly. Whereas the close up with the Mamiya lenses is marvelous... and to collect and to hold them in the hands... all of them are just gems haptically and mechanically and qualitywise ...
i really enjoy your video's. just a tip. during the introduction i suggest a tripod or stabilizing the footage in editing. the shaky footage is not really necessary. Other than that, thumbs up!
taps Mamiya gently
"YOU CAN BRING THIS TO YOUR WAR"
I love my Pentax spotmatic / industar 50-2 😊
Ed! The genius behind Fran. Now I follow you. Muahahaha
Thank you for reminding me that my C330 is all that I need.
Except for making razor sharp images.
@@leslumieres1237 I doubt that you can see differences on TH-cam, but the photos that Eduardo showed do not demonstrate your sayings that the photos taken with the Rolleiflex were sharper than those of the Mamiya, I do not have one or the other but the photos of the Mamiya I have liked a little more.
Thank you, I have a C220, which is a less expensive version of the C330 (simpler advance mechanism, parallax correction, etc), but has all the main features since it uses the same lenses. I think both cameras pictures are evenly matched except when it comes to close focus pictures where the Mamiya shows a much better image quality.
Hello Eduardo. Great video. Are you familiar with the Paramender for the C330, made to correct for parallax?
Mamiya C330 merveilleux appareil, si ce n'était mon âge avancé et le frêle dos qui va avec j'en reprendrais bien... un quatrième !
De plus c'est un très bel objet, attachant et silencieux à souhait.
Muchas gracias Eduardo
I have the Mamiya 330 Professional f. It has both the waist level finder and a penta-prism head which can be switched out for eye level finding.
Nice review!
In my personal experience, I never felt like I was missing out on much by using a Rolleiflex 3.5 MX-EVS or a Rolleicord Vb. They cost way less than the Rolleiflex 2.8 models -- I paid under US $500 for each in good condition -- they both weigh under 1kg, and the Rolleicord has swappable screens and viewfinder hoods (there's even a pentaprism finder available). The 2/3 stop difference in light gathering hasn't bothered me in the slightest.
Excelentes consejos Eduardo para los que estamos pensando en comprar una cámara analógica de medio formato.
Estaría bien que hicieras un vídeo de como revelas ,escaneas y retocas las fotos, que tipos de carretes usas, cuanto te cuestan.... un saludo desde España.
I just bought a C330f to replace the one I sold about 20 years ago. It's now my only camera (apart from the one on my phone). I'm biased, but the Mamiya stomps all over a Rolleiflex as far as I'm concerned. Interchangeable lenses, interchangeable viewfinders, close focus. It's near perfection!
nice jazzy sounds
Wow! The Rolleiflex was on my list of cameras to own one day but I think the Mamiya just knocked it right off the list!
Great video as always. Super informative.
You should check out Ian Wong and his series Digital Darkroom. His channel and yours are my favourite film photography channels on TH-cam and I would love to see you on an episode if you're ever in the same area.
It is worth noting that Rolleiflex cameras have a very quiet shutter which is good for street photography
I can tell the Mamiya is the better option for you. You can tell by the way you compose and focus in the pictures you have posted. I like your review and you highlighted some great points I have not seen in other videos. By the way the Rolleiflex 3.5F is even smaller and better for trave and you only miss one stop.
Talking of focusing screen. It is not a big deal to exchange them. It´s actually quite easy.
You pay about 100 to 150 Euros for a new fresnel screen. That is affordable if you intend to work with this camera for real.
One thing I like about the Rolleiflex is the fact that it is one of the few waist level cameras that have a light meter inside. That is a big plus.
I am using a 2.8GX which has a bright screen and as you said if you travel you truly appreciate the cameras weight and dimensions. I love Mamiya, lens quality is great - no doubt. But if I need to use a camera that uses interchangeable lenses I would probably settle for the PRO TL or RZ. Which I use too. Both are available for relatively little money.
Anyway, great content and video. Whached it to the end.
Great video! enjoyed watching. I have a question. I have a Mamiyaflex C2 and love it very much. Its condition is good, but more worn and fragile at this point. I have been thinking about also getting a c330 to take around as well. Do you know if the lenses of the older C2 are compatible with the c330?
Excellent video Eduardo. I also have a Rolleiflex 2.8E and my Mamiya is the C220 Professional F. You did a great job of pros and cons of each but I have one to add. The Rolleiflex has a DOF scale which I find invaluable for landscape photography. I am not sure about the C330 but my C220 Pro F has only a distance scale (only in meters, and also hard to get an exact reading on that curved line). The C220 manual has DOF charts which are cumbersome to use, and they are in feet! How do you estimate DOF with Mamiya when required? Thanks again for an informative video.
I used to shoot weddings in the 70's with a C330 & loved it. Another difference between the cameras is the rack & pinion focusing found on the C330. This is why you can focus on shorter distances. Another, difference is most of the Rollie's have Zeiss lenses.
Thanks for the video its been an eye opener I prefer the look of the Mamiya when you compared the photos. I'll put my Rolleiflex 2.8F away for now and get the Mamiya C330.Cheers
Rolleiflex 2.8e a little bit much more contrast than Mamiya C330
but i love C330 ..
Thanks a lots for your video , good job.
take care.
thanks. you've cured my rollei fever and saved me a thousand bucks )
I changed the focusing screen on both my 2.8F and 3.5 MX EVS,the 2.8 has a removable hood, the 2.8E is similar to my MX EVS, you remove 4 screws, remove the waist level finder and replace the screen.
Got mine fairly cheap from Rick Oleson, they were magnitudes brighter than the original screens.
Double exposure can be done by sliding a little slider on the crank and crank the opposite direction to load the shutter again.
Get an Automat or a 3.5, they are around 1kg and doesn't cost as much as the 2.8 versions. (all rolleflexes, as far as i know, has a 2.8 lens for focusing, the difference is the taking lens).
I have 2 flex'es, the Memiya isn't interesting for me, but to each their own ^^
Rollei allows multiple exposures if you turn crank in reverse
Hi Edouardo. Interesting comparison. Just one remark. Rolleiflex has an automatic paralax correction which is really better than the red line of the mamiya. To be mentioned is the mamiya paramender if you want a precise view, but it is heavy and slow... Best regards
love the plant on the record player tho
Eduardo, Your videos are superb engaging and informative, with sly humor ; )
The Rolleiflex 3.5 (max aperture 3,5) might be a better comparison since it is less expensive than the Rolleiflex 2.8. The Rolleiflex 3.5 taking lens is a 75/3,5 rather than an 80/2,8, resulting in a slightly wider field of view and the largest aperture slightly smaller (3,5 vs 2,8).
The Japanese Minolta Autocord is a "sleeper" TLR making it less expensive than the 3.5. The Autocord has a Rokkor 75/3,5 taking lens, just like the Rolleiflex 3.5. Aperture and shutter speed are set just like the Rolleiflex using wheels. However the Autocord locks the EV [like the old Hasselblad Zeiss 80mm lens and some Rolleiflex cameras]. The right hand can focus using the lever on the bottom front and press the shutter release button on the right front, leaving the left hand free to hold the camera (or flash).
The Rokkor is considered to be the equal to the 3.5 Zeiss Planar (the Schneider Xenotar should be similar to the Planar). While I haven't noticed a difference between my Rolleiflex 3,5F Planar and the Autocord 3,5 Rokkor, the Autocord is definitely not as buttery smooth (well-made). The Autocord, like the Mamiya c330, takes Bay i accessories.
Rolleinars are diopters with parallax correction (+1, +2, +3). Bay i Rolleinars are less expensive than Bay ii which, in turn, are less expensive than Bay iii. Other manufacturers have equivalents that are less expensive (Aico, Camrex).
Great video. I had a Mamiya c330, it si a great camera, for me the best feature is the possibility of changing lenses, the down side is the weight and massive size. I sold it a few month ago, I now use a Hasselblad for my 6x6 pictures. I would like to have a Rolleiflex though, more for the history and legend than anything else... I have a Hasselblad 503cw, a Leica M4-P.... I think a Rolleiflex name is needed LOL. Saludos a tu gato/a Hamburguesa que solo parece entender español :-)
The closest focusing distance is better when using a fixed object. Grass and trees will move a little bit
Watching this cause I'm in the process of selling my Rolleis and I wanna fill the void with another medium format camera. C330's on my list for sure now.
Nicely done Ed. I’ve wanted a TLR since I got into photography in the early 70’s. I always figured that the Yashica Mat 124-G was all I’d be able to afford. Fast forward to 2023. I’m nearing retirement. Now I’m researching TLRs and I find that Yashicas, Rolleis, and Mamiyas are all the same prices. After watching your comparison video, I’m leaning towards the C330.
I have the Yashicamat 124 (exactly the same as the "G" version except the G has gold contacts or something) and honestly I sort of concluded that the miyama is probably the better camera even before seeing this video. After seeing the video, im even more convinced. That being said, the yashica is gd beautiful and a delight to use/handle (well, its not perfect to handle, but its pretty dang good). Btw, if you do go for the yashica, I recommend the 124 (as opposed to the 124G) purely because I think its far more aesthetically appealing than the G version. Its got way more chrome and the name plate isnt as messy. It looks like a classic camera (like a rollei). Plus, I heard someone say that the earlier models (the 124 came first) are more precisely machined since the tools were new and they didnt replace the tools, so the later models had weaker tolerances.
But you should probably get the Miyama. I might have gotten it if I hadnt fallen in love with the aesthetic of the yashica (or just about any early tlr, or any tlr that looks like a rollei). That being said, dont discount the major "ease of use" factor that he pointed out. The size and design of the rollei/yashica is very nice to use. And even the, the yashica is a bit heavy, just on the edge of being annoying, so I'm sure the miyama gets very annoying to hang on to. Especially when you're carefully composing a really neat shot in a really awkward position bent over and you're sweating.
Miyama will make you work to produce the image that you composed in your head, but it will deliver. The rollei/yashica will be easier to use, but more limited in what it can deliver. The $150 lens attachments he mentioned can be substituted with cheaper clones on ebay, btw. Probably not as good, but hey, its a hobby, not a job, right? Not sure why I'm telling you all of this. I'm tired but I feel compelled to write this all out.
Conclusion: If you want range and flexibility and capability and speed and focusing accuracy, if you value those over comfort and stamina go for the miyama
If you want the experience of physically taking the photos to be a delight instead of a pain, and if you dont mind being somewhat restricted, and you want a good looking camera, go for the Yashica. I really love mine. I sort of think that someday I'll get a miyama when I get good enough that I can no longer tolerate being restricted. I think it would be a nice upgrade, especially for close up stuff. But in the mean time, I'm gonna enjoy my Yashica Mat 124. Btw, when I was looking about a year and a half ago, it seemed like yashicas were cheaper than Miyamas. But maybe thats just the 124. Its usually cheaper than the 124G since fewer people know about it and just assume its an inferior version (when, imo, the opposite is true.)
Ok, my essay is finished.
I really love my Mamiya C330 Professional F. I also have some smaller TLRs but I prefer the Mamiya despite the size an weight.
Great comparison, many thanks! I have the C330 myself but am thinking to add a Rolleiflex cause the Mamiya is too heavy for my taste. Are you sure that the Rolleiflex does not have parallax correction? Many sources online say they also have it ...