So glad someone finally mentioned Vance's irritating use of her name: "Margaret" this and "Margaret" that. It's a technique from "How to Make Friends and Influence People" intended to attract someone's attention by using their name. In fact, it comes across as incredibly intrusive and condescending. "Well, Margaret...pay attention to me as I mansplain to you..."
My father-in-law’s wife, a retired ambitious realtor who was a big fan of that book, does this ALL the time, and it’s SO irritating. She always sounds condescending, and like she’s going to tell you how things really are. Fortunately we only have to tolerate it once a year for a few days because of how far away from us they live lol
Finally! Was wondering where Sam was hiding out. So glad she’s still out here being awesome. Instant sub. Joanna is great too and they make a great duo!
I agree with Jon F. about podcasts. I've often thought, when listening to PSA, that it was like listening to friends having a conversation and finding it extremely funny and entertaining.
I'm so happy to see Samantha Bee back. I loved your show and have missed your style 🥰. You were my first delve into standing up for myself, and now I'm teaching that ro my 2 daughters and my son. I will be a definite regular listner!!
Lovett’s desire for the moderators not to fact-check and for the debaters to fact-check each other might have worked before Drumpf, (or in any debate where neither participant is an accolyte), but Drumpf’s strategy of “flooding the zone” with so many obvious lies leaves his opponent with two options - use their limited time fact-checking all his bull, (which makes them look on the back foot and let’s him control the narrative), or let all of his bull stand unchecked, and just get their stuff out instead. This is not the old times of “all politicians skirt around the truth here and there,” or “spin.” One side absolutely floods the airwaves with utter claptrap, and it needs to be constantly called out by every responsible person.
I agree. They would just deteriorate into bickering. But I do also think the opponent can fact check on the spot as Tim did when he called Vance ducking the question on the 2020 election by calling it a damning non-answer.
The “flood the zone” strategy is also referred to as a Gish Gallop strategy- Trump was also doing the same thing in his “debate” with Harris. There is a way to combat it effectively without having to constantly debunk EVERY lie & that is essentially to point out at the beginning of the debate that this is the tactic the person is going to use, why it’s affective and then point out every time it’s used thereafter. You don’t need to go into detail, just say “X statement is factually incorrect” then pivot to Harris/Walz policies or how they’re different & better than from Trump/Vance. I get what you’re saying, but I do think it is important that Harris/Walz DO fact check. They need to make it clear that they do stand in stark contrast to Trump/Vance.
The purpose of a presidential debate is to inform the public. Leaving a false impression with the public does not lead to good decisions by voters. It’s important in this type of debate for the moderators to at least clarify some of the most egregious misinformation.
"he appeared coherent and pleasant" is definitely an observation but "who needs civility when what you are saying is pure trash" is a useful assessment.
This happens to me sometimes. When that happens you should close app (completely). Then reopen and go to app and it should resume allowing you to click like.
I agreed with you at the time but I have come around after listening to a couple of other podcasts. This debate is NOT for us. It was for independent voters. Tim’s favorability increased (as did JD’s but that won’t last). Independents loved the civility and apparently this has increased support and volunteers.
What got me was how Vance twisted the pro life into better health care for women. All the lack of health care for women due to totall abolishment of abortion.
of all the things that are gross about JD Vance the way he says women's names in a way that is clearly supposed to intimidate them is so cringey also also he said her name so often that he couldn't even pronounce it sometimes "morgrot"
To be fair,he did the same thing with Governor Walz. He addressed him as Tim instead of Governor the entire time. I guess they don't teach manners in them hills.
great to see you gals podcasting. I suggest you cover some of the down ballot races they're not getting enough attention and could mess up the next four years bigly..
What annoyed me most about Vance (besides the non-stop lying) was him constantly asking why Harris hadn't done Presidential stuff over the last 3 & 1/2 years. It was pandering to an uneducated base who don't understand the actual limitations of Vice Presidential powers. Insulting to any voter with a modicum of understanding of civics.
Why can't Kamala debate JD? Donald is scared to do it again, and Donald is 78 yrs old and not a healthy man, JD is more likely to become President before the end of the term if Donald is elected than Tim is if Kamala is elected.......so why not a debate between JD and Kamala? She would win. And JD's misogyny would be obvious.
Joanna Cole’s! If I saw you in public I’d know it was you. My 3 girls loved project runway. You were always amazing with your advice and style. And if you get nerves going into a party I should cut myself some slack for feeling the same
Regarding the debate. Vance won-if you disregard all the lies. Whereas Walz’s arguments were True (with a capital T!). Walz corrected him a couple of times, the moderators once (to which he whined “I thought you weren’t going to fact check”. Boohoo). But he got away with a lot more. I guess the Republicans agreed to debate only if they could lie to the American people.
I don't think it's fair to direct hate at the ladies. Samantha is not here as a comedian and Joanna is obviously more than a Project Runway host. She's deeper than that job required and she gained experience that helps her in front if the camera. This was their first effort and they'll keep getting better. I thought they did fine.
When it came to the issue of post-birth abortion, I wish Walz had asked Vance, " How old are you, J.D.?" And when Vance answered "Forty," Walz had said, "Well, I think post-birth abortion should be illegal after the forty-first year."
No! the original was not Rob Ford. It was James Michael Curley, the Rascal King Himself. Immortalized by Spencer Tracy in the Last Hurrah (even though the author never confirmed it was Curley-Curley insisted it was Curley)
Well, Samantha, you're fact-checking Vance now along with the rest of the country. Maybe you can't do all the fact-checking in the moment. Let him show his b.s. and evaluation comes later. Just a thought.
I totally agree. When we start complaining about Trump’s small hands or his hair or whatever, we’re resorting to pettiness. There are so many substantive issues to criticize him about. Same for RFK. Things like his voice are the least offensive things about these men. And we shouldn’t spend time on the stupid things.
you know we can appreciate the things somebody does right and also criticize the things that we would've liked to see done differently. it is a productive conversation on how best to do things.
I used to love Sam’s arch and ironic take on things on the Daily Show - she was the only person who I loved - but her own show drowned in virtue signalling, tedious identity politics and preaching to the choir, it was so disappointing. I want tough wise-cracking ironic and dishing-it-out-to everyone Sam.
You've got 2 min. to answer, 1 min. rebuttal. Ready - Go! Not everyone thinks or talks as fast as some people - wink, wink. My God,to cover every single thing; Monday morning quarterbacks backs need to take a chill pill 💊 Everything can't be accomplished in sound bites for 90 minutes. For Ch...t's sake!
Come home Sam. Re-experience real demovracy. You are missed. Your US BS is getting in the way. Come home. Hope your kids are safe. In Canada. elder Etobicoke lad here.
So glad someone finally mentioned Vance's irritating use of her name: "Margaret" this and "Margaret" that. It's a technique from "How to Make Friends and Influence People" intended to attract someone's attention by using their name. In fact, it comes across as incredibly intrusive and condescending. "Well, Margaret...pay attention to me as I mansplain to you..."
Ingratiating bullshit.
Vance did the same to Dana Bash when she interviewed him. Repeatedly saying Dana.
Condescending and manipulative.
Why did he call one name and not the other?
He did the same thing in the Dana Bash interview on CNN
My father-in-law’s wife, a retired ambitious realtor who was a big fan of that book, does this ALL the time, and it’s SO irritating. She always sounds condescending, and like she’s going to tell you how things really are. Fortunately we only have to tolerate it once a year for a few days because of how far away from us they live lol
Finally! Was wondering where Sam was hiding out. So glad she’s still out here being awesome. Instant sub. Joanna is great too and they make a great duo!
I didn't know about this show, until Jon's association landed it in my feed. I loved the ladies!!
Chef Jose Andres put her episode on his podcast this week and I was so happy to hear her
Several days later what is the only memorable statement from the debate? “Would you verify the results of a fair election?”
Walz wins, period!
LOVE the Pod Save America guys(!!) and am excited to check-in each week now for The Daily Beast!
Omg omg omg it’s Sam Beeee!!!! So delighted to find this show up in my feed.
I agree with Jon F. about podcasts. I've often thought, when listening to PSA, that it was like listening to friends having a conversation and finding it extremely funny and entertaining.
I'm so happy to see Samantha Bee back. I loved your show and have missed your style 🥰. You were my first delve into standing up for myself, and now I'm teaching that ro my 2 daughters and my son. I will be a definite regular listner!!
I liked watching her show. It was kind of like LWT but from a female perspective.
Lovett’s desire for the moderators not to fact-check and for the debaters to fact-check each other might have worked before Drumpf, (or in any debate where neither participant is an accolyte), but Drumpf’s strategy of “flooding the zone” with so many obvious lies leaves his opponent with two options - use their limited time fact-checking all his bull, (which makes them look on the back foot and let’s him control the narrative), or let all of his bull stand unchecked, and just get their stuff out instead. This is not the old times of “all politicians skirt around the truth here and there,” or “spin.” One side absolutely floods the airwaves with utter claptrap, and it needs to be constantly called out by every responsible person.
I agree. They would just deteriorate into bickering. But I do also think the opponent can fact check on the spot as Tim did when he called Vance ducking the question on the 2020 election by calling it a damning non-answer.
Yeah I don't understand the PSA guys' persistence on this point.
The “flood the zone” strategy is also referred to as a Gish Gallop strategy- Trump was also doing the same thing in his “debate” with Harris. There is a way to combat it effectively without having to constantly debunk EVERY lie & that is essentially to point out at the beginning of the debate that this is the tactic the person is going to use, why it’s affective and then point out every time it’s used thereafter. You don’t need to go into detail, just say “X statement is factually incorrect” then pivot to Harris/Walz policies or how they’re different & better than from Trump/Vance.
I get what you’re saying, but I do think it is important that Harris/Walz DO fact check. They need to make it clear that they do stand in stark contrast to Trump/Vance.
The purpose of a presidential debate is to inform the public. Leaving a false impression with the public does not lead to good decisions by voters. It’s important in this type of debate for the moderators to at least clarify some of the most egregious misinformation.
"he appeared coherent and pleasant" is definitely an observation but "who needs civility when what you are saying is pure trash" is a useful assessment.
I have missed your weekly show so very much. It’s incredible to hear your voice again.
Tim Walz looked like it was taking all his patience and self control to not just punch James Donald in the face.
BEST ADVISE EVER! Definitely laugh & enjoy pod save America when they are laughing! Adding in the jokes!!!’n😂❤❤❤
53:37 hanging out in a hotel in Fiji for a month with no screen time actually sounds amazing
You’re finding your rhythm!! Insightful, earnest, funny and all the right flavors of snarky. Very enjoyable so far 🤘
Correction: Tim Walz told Harris while being vetted he was a bad debater. This was known much prior to the debate.
Not sure why but the "like" button wouldn't activate. Just want you to know I loved this episode; love your chemistry!
This happens to me sometimes.
When that happens you should close app (completely). Then reopen and go to app and it should resume allowing you to click like.
I agreed with you at the time but I have come around after listening to a couple of other podcasts. This debate is NOT for us. It was for independent voters. Tim’s favorability increased (as did JD’s but that won’t last). Independents loved the civility and apparently this has increased support and volunteers.
What got me was how Vance twisted the pro life into better health care for women. All the lack of health care for women due to totall abolishment of abortion.
Vance is so condescending, same thing with Dana Bash
Just commented the same! It’s definitely a thing he does for control!
@@roso1378 He's got sociopath written all over him.
I remember you from project runway!! Two favorite John's and I'm already hooked 😂
Just so you know - they both spell their names “Jon”, not “John”.
@@rachels.8051 Because they're both actually Jonathan. Just like Stewart. Or Batiste.
Where has this podcast been all my life
Great show, nicely done!
Really enjoyed this!!!!
of all the things that are gross about JD Vance the way he says women's names in a way that is clearly supposed to intimidate them is so cringey
also also he said her name so often that he couldn't even pronounce it sometimes "morgrot"
To be fair,he did the same thing with Governor Walz. He addressed him as Tim instead of Governor the entire time. I guess they don't teach manners in them hills.
Just discovered this podcast, love it!
Two favorite John’s? What about Jon Stewart and John Oliver?
Do as many episodes in person as possible!
Walz did NOT LOSE THE DEBATE! He was VERY methodical and precise. Walz's closing: "That was a damning non-answer was a SLAM DUNK!!!!!"🏀
Truth over Lies, Misdirection ... Waltz won ❤
That was fun - I'll be back!
I am looking forward to watching Sam and Johanna and their favorite Johns.
What is the point of having the participants fact check each other. Then you just get "nuh uh" moderators need to do their job
Whenever Lovett says "That's such an important question"....that actually means he has no intention of answering it.
Gosh, i miss Samantha's show.
great to see you gals podcasting. I suggest you cover some of the down ballot races they're not getting enough attention and could mess up the next four years bigly..
Funny and overall excellent show.
What annoyed me most about Vance (besides the non-stop lying) was him constantly asking why Harris hadn't done Presidential stuff over the last 3 & 1/2 years. It was pandering to an uneducated base who don't understand the actual limitations of Vice Presidential powers. Insulting to any voter with a modicum of understanding of civics.
Walz did state that John McCain saved the ACA.
😂 such fun!!
Why can't Kamala debate JD? Donald is scared to do it again, and Donald is 78 yrs old and not a healthy man, JD is more likely to become President before the end of the term if Donald is elected than Tim is if Kamala is elected.......so why not a debate between JD and Kamala? She would win. And JD's misogyny would be obvious.
That would be interesting.
Tim Waltz is a Teacher, Coach. He very well knows how to talk to people. Not bullshit people like the MAGA ticket.
Joanna Cole’s! If I saw you in public I’d know it was you. My 3 girls loved project runway. You were always amazing with your advice and style. And if you get nerves going into a party I should cut myself some slack for feeling the same
That is the only thing i got upset at tim for. I was screaming palliative care
Regarding the debate. Vance won-if you disregard all the lies. Whereas Walz’s arguments were True (with a capital T!). Walz corrected him a couple of times, the moderators once (to which he whined “I thought you weren’t going to fact check”. Boohoo). But he got away with a lot more. I guess the Republicans agreed to debate only if they could lie to the American people.
I don't think it's fair to direct hate at the ladies. Samantha is not here as a comedian and Joanna is obviously more than a Project Runway host. She's deeper than that job required and she gained experience that helps her in front if the camera. This was their first effort and they'll keep getting better. I thought they did fine.
When it came to the issue of post-birth abortion, I wish Walz had asked Vance, " How old are you, J.D.?" And when Vance answered "Forty," Walz had said, "Well, I think post-birth abortion should be illegal after the forty-first year."
Biden is still our President. You asking what Biden is doing shows me I am not learning anything here. Don’t bash Biden.
All the jump cuts editing out normal human pauses is really unnerving
Political debates are “dumber’” now.
Good conversation but it's gross to hear AI schilling
Insanely spicy hot wings seem to do well at disarming guests. Just ask Hot Ones! 😁
No! the original was not Rob Ford. It was James Michael Curley, the Rascal King Himself. Immortalized by Spencer Tracy in the Last Hurrah (even though the author never confirmed it was Curley-Curley insisted it was Curley)
Well, Samantha, you're fact-checking Vance now along with the rest of the country. Maybe you can't do all the fact-checking in the moment. Let him show his b.s. and evaluation comes later.
Just a thought.
He did the same thing to dana bash. Rfk has a medical issue with his voice. Please don't mock. I don't like him, but there is no place for that
At this point, who cares? And why? RFK is a privileged buffoon.
Is he the one who told his late wife to off herself and she did because he cheated on her with dozens of women? With that voice?
I totally agree. When we start complaining about Trump’s small hands or his hair or whatever, we’re resorting to pettiness. There are so many substantive issues to criticize him about. Same for RFK. Things like his voice are the least offensive things about these men. And we shouldn’t spend time on the stupid things.
Where is Jon Lovett?
Does Samantha Bee have a mural of popcorn behind her?
Women, Walz did make numerous responses exactly as you wanted.
MEN, stop treating us like sheep!
you know we can appreciate the things somebody does right and also criticize the things that we would've liked to see done differently. it is a productive conversation on how best to do things.
It surely was flora, not fauna? 😊
five 9 commercial is creepy. scary.
never heard of 5 9. and i hope never to again.
that was weird!
I used to love Sam’s arch and ironic take on things on the Daily Show - she was the only person who I loved - but her own show drowned in virtue signalling, tedious identity politics and preaching to the choir, it was so disappointing. I want tough wise-cracking ironic and dishing-it-out-to everyone Sam.
Sam!!!
😂 I agree, Sam, you are clearly a much better criminal than Eric Adams -little Miss grand theft larceny
You've got 2 min. to answer, 1 min. rebuttal. Ready - Go!
Not everyone thinks or talks as fast as some people - wink, wink.
My God,to cover every single thing;
Monday morning quarterbacks backs need to take a chill pill 💊
Everything can't be accomplished in sound bites for 90 minutes.
For Ch...t's sake!
Horrible show. Don’t make fun of Biden. Show some respect. No subscription for me.😕
Keep telling Donald Trump how good jd did.
JD is in competition with Trump as the lying king.
Wait what? Since when did the totally respectable Sam Bee hook up with the questionable reality show judge Joanna Coles? I’m confused.
Not sure I can stomach the celeb
" we go to the BEST pahhhhhties," and stories about being a celeb, rubbing elbows with celebs opening to this.
Come home Sam. Re-experience real demovracy. You are missed. Your US BS is getting in the way. Come home. Hope your kids are safe. In Canada. elder Etobicoke lad here.
Vance is creepy, condescending, and weird. I guess trump is, as well
So disappointed. More useless bits and halfway through they finally get to it waste of time mine!
I disagree the no debate strategy suggests the Trump campaign feel good about their position.
O r, he’s so tired looking and mostly incoherent that they don’t want to risk another debate with Kamala.
Dayum. WTAF has happened to Sam Bee? And hell to the no on the smug one. Thought id be subscribing, but this is pitiful
This was extremely negative, nobody wants all the negative anymore