Steam Deck: EmuDeck Amiga Emulation 101: All about Kickstarts, Games and Configuration
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- The Amiga computer was way ahead of its time. For those of us who lived those days, we know how finicky and resource hungry quality Amiga emulation can be. In this video, we'll introduce you to the Amiga and its odd emulator needs (like Kickstarts) - we'll cover the various ways Amiga games are distributed and consumed (ADF, HDF, WHDLOAD) and we'll show you advanced configuration techniques. We will teach you about M3U and how to handle multiple disks, fix condensed screen graphics, per-game configurations and so much more.
Almost all of the information here is useful for Raspberry Pi or PC versions of Emulation Station as well.
Note: We will assume you have EmuDeck and SSH set up and not repeat these tutorials here.
Links
EmuDeck Setup
• The Ultimate Steam Dec...
Legal Amiga Kickstarts
www.amigaforev...
(Note: The video assumes you have installed Amiga Forever on your PC)
SSH Setup
• Steam Deck Quickie: T...
Where Amiga Forever Stores Kickstarts
C:\Users\Public\Public Documents\Amiga Files\Shared\dir\System\Devs\Kickstarts
Helper Pack Download
1fichier.com/?...
monroeworld.co...
path for m3U
/run/media/mmcblk0p1/Emulation/roms/amiga/.amiga-hidden/
So cool! I have the same Emulation Station striped theme on my Deck :)
The ultimate portable AMIGA? YES PLEASE !
Many thanks for this video !! so useful , i really enjoyed the narration , keep up the good work !
I'm rediscovering Amiga emulation, again. I delved into Amithlon, AND Cloanto in about 2003-2004. I still have my A3000T, CDTV, and A500/A590, scattered about. ;) Need to clear the schedule and do some battery damage inspections. Great video. I think I need a Steam deck. 🙃
Great video. Everything I needed to know, very clearly explained! Thanks for making 👍🏼👍🏼
You're welcome
I wish there was an easy way to install Amiga forever 10 on steam deck. With its versatility, it might change Amiga on handhelds completely!
I'm working on them. I know the folks that run the package at cloanto and I'm trying to get them to come up with something a little more steam deck happy.
Thanks for this great guide. Used it to set up emulation on my steamdeck oled proper this time and get back into the emulation rabbiot hole.
My pleasure!
it's overwhelming, now I know why Emulating the Amiga is a dead end. Watching it you can exhaust yourself mentally.
Emulating Gameboy or other platforms is so simple, while Amiga is a labyrinth of roms, incompatible applications, a lot of clicking, and finally a screen of errors, no working analogues.
The copyright to Kickstarter, and even if you have one - it still doesn't work - because not this name, not this version, not this color, not this grimace on your face and you will hang when you start.
When I was young I had an Amiga 600, now I have a gaming laptop and Deck and I found that my sentiment for this platform I have to narrow down to watching gameplay of old games on youtube.
Reading the comments here, you can get even more depressed, as someone watches it is satisfied, - however, it someone watches it AND starts doing it suddenly turns out that - save does not work, "this does not work that does not work" full despair
This is exactly why things like Amiga Forever exists. It is literally the only true turnkey solution. Shame I can't get it working on Steam Deck. But if you have a PC ... th-cam.com/video/HE-HC2nDYjg/w-d-xo.html ... I have a couple of follow up videos as well.
Really great guide, thanks!
Thank you! You are very talented.
Old Monroe on TH-cam. I used to listen to your Retro Gaming Radio.
Ah yes ... the good ol' days!
Thanks for this excellent guide! At 30:39 there is no zoom mode. Apparently now it is just called crop.
Thanks for that. I wish they'd stop changing crap and making my videos out of date lol
Thank you very much
Very helpful video. Where I'm stuck is trying to play Pinball Dreams (the only game I've loaded so far, LOL). The current mapping doesn't allow me to launch the ball (I can launch the ball with the virtual KB, but would like button-related solution), or trigger the flippers. I'm just using the Steamdeck's controls, no external controller. I've played with the control mapping but nothing has helped.
I assume you're launching from ES-DE? This is one of those rare times I recommend creating a dedicated Steam launcher entry for the title. You can use Steam Rom Manager (in EmuDeck) or use my video to create your own - th-cam.com/video/rD8q2zJZDKQ/w-d-xo.html
I'm a big Amiga fan ... drop by the Discord if you have any issues.
Nice job. 👍🏼
So great to see the Amiga run on the Steam Deck! Just to confirm: the games won't really run full screen? I've been trying to at least fill the vertical space completely, but it seems to be impossible?
Toward the end of the video I show you how to mostly fix that. Not sure if you got there yet ...
Thanks! Not sure if they removed this, but on 1.15.0 I can only find the video settings. No zoom, just a setting for aspect ratios, none of which do the trick. “Custom” lets me define a custom size, which would be great if the custom frame would be aligned to the top left corner of the screen. Unfortunately it doesn’t, which kind of undermines the idea… ;)
Excellent video. I can do anything with ADFs on my Deck, thanks to you. The playlist help is fantastic! However, nothing I try for WHDLoad will work. Game won't even allow me to get to RetroArch config via thumbsticks, it just fails after some seconds. I have tried HDF and LHA. I wonder if my old version of Cloanto Amiga Forever (2006 premium ed.) kickstarts are to blame as the MD5 checksum is different than yours/puae guide... They seem to work fine with the many ADFs I have tried, where AROS would have failed.
Sorry, I missed this. Did you get squared away? I'm guessing yours were the old "key.rom" based ones. I believe they ditched the "key" system later on.
Fantastic video! Still having a problem getting an external keyboard to work at all for games that need it (can't get past the initial "input password" screen from Pool of Radiance).
Hmmm. I don't recall external keyboards having any issues... I'm using a standard wired USB keyboard. Does the in game virtual keyboard work?
@@Darkuni External keyboard words w/ basically everything BUT Amiga....mouse works fine. Not sure how to enable in-game virtual keyboard. BTW - THANK YOU for such a quick reply!!
@@vypr0416 I think it is either the select or start button on their own
Man I miss my Amiga 1200 at times but I not sure I was to hear the floppy loading sound all the time also just save the Amiga 500 to the max should be backwards compatible for all games
Lol
I am here again…What about analog stick inputs?…is it possible to set the analog stick to play?…I tried on my own, but it did not really work. how does work that?…thank you again for your amazing video!
Haven't gotten around to that...
Im confused! can you please help? i have lots of Amiga roms and kickstarts from when i used to use winuae, im not sure which ones i need? they are all named differently to yours. i have about 30
Same issue here. Help!
@@moonchild666 hi mark do you have Facebook or anyway we can message each other in private? We can compare what we have and hopefully sort this out!
@@shawndimery I tried replying to you last night with a fix but TH-cam wouldn't let me! Hoping you get this??
Making me want to run AmigaTracker on my Deck. Wheres my BodegaBay dock for Steam Deck? :)
I got my Syquest drives in storage ... 88MB carts for use on the Deck?
@@Darkuni awesome! I tossed all mine when I moved. Had a 500 in a Bodega Bay case and a 3000
Great guide, would like to know where you have the information about the .amiga-hidden folder from? Got it working but sadly Steam Rom Manager is still picking up all .adf files and Games show up in Steam as much as they have disks
Yeah, I don't use Steam Rom Manager - my knowledge of it isn't great. The hidden stuff is definitely Emulation Station centric.
Thanks a lot for the great tutorial. Do I guess right that you use a hidden folder for m3u files because of aesthetic reasons?
Correct. I just don't want to see hidden folders and I don't want to see more than one listing for a game.
thanks for this incredible video! i just downloaded Amiga Forever 10 Plus edition - and there doesn’t seem to be a Kickstarts folder in the location described, or anywhere in the Amiga Files for that matter. i turned on hidden files as well. Feeling stuck and i wondered if you had any ideas 😂
So the caveat here is you have to actually install Amiga forever on a Windows PC to get the files out.
I'm working with cloano to come up with a solution that works directly on the steam deck with no in-betweens. Come see me on Discord and we'll see if we can get you set up
all right i installed amiga 3.2 with winuae to hdf file using A1200 3.1 kick. it works fine on winuae but emu deck it wont load. says loadmodule blah blah.
Are all your kickstarts appropriately named and located?
Great vid, quick Q: how do I stop the Amiga floppy clicking/access noise?
Go into OPTIONS, then AUDIO then FLOPPY SOUND EMULTION and set it to 0%.
Hi there, great Video and very helpful. Just have 2 questions, as I don't have the Steam Deck yet but considering getting one in the future. When it comes to whdload games, is there a way to make it a bit easier, more automatic to configure those or do I need to check the configuration for each game separately, for games that are known to run too fast on emulation or might need a different kickstart, as I thought that whdload usually manages that itself.
Second question is if the touchscreen or the mouse like touchpads can be used as mouse input for games such as Monkey Island and other point and click adventure games?
Most of them work with the default configurations that you see in this video. I like to warn people that it's not a walk in the park but it's really damn close to plug and Play at this point provided you have the right image files. Yeah the touch screen works and you can use the trackpad. It's beautiful. It's the best of me to emulation I've ever seen in a handheld
2 things I am having issues with still
1. the .amiga-hidden folder is visible in emulation station, and still being scanned for games? In desktop mode, it is set to not show hidden folders. In gaming mode, you're locked out of anything like that anyway
2. I'm using playstation 4 controllers and the buttons don't seem to map correctly. Just now tried playing SWoS 2 player and for some reason the trigger was assigned to the opposite controller. something very strange there
Anyone got experiences of this?
1. it shows up as GRAY. You still have to turn on "Hide . folders" or whatever it is in the configuration (it's in the UI).
2. Alas, I use the onboard controller 99.9% of the time, 0.1% I use an Xbox controller.
Hey, thanks for the guide, it's been super useful and I've managed to get myself a pretty solid Amiga emulation. One question: do save and load states work with multi disk Amiga games? Currently running soccer kid but trying to load a state from a different session causes an emulated memory crash. Loading from the same session seems to work though. Do you think this is just a limitation of the emulated device?
I assume everything works fine with single disk/WHDLoad games? Or no?
@@Darkuni Yes it definitely seems that way, Ive just ran QWAK which is a single disk game via m3u and successfully loaded state from a prior session.
@@FluffCorporation LOVE me some QWAK. Can you give me a game that doesn't work so I can look at it?
@@Darkuni Sure, im running Soccer Kid via ADF (5 disks, have no experience with the hard drive format) and that crashes when trying to load a state from a prior session. This happens when running the game with manual swaps, or via the M3U. Im assuming its because its trying to load gamestate data from disks it hasn't mounted, or something like that. Soccer Kid is a great game btw, if you havent played it.
@@FluffCorporation I'm familiar with it. I would recommend using the LHA version. I'll take a peek at it this weekend and get back to you. But the quickest way I think you're going to solve the problem is to use the WHD load edition
internet archive has amiga games in single disk files
Lots of sources. Though I very much prefer WHDload versions of even single disk games as they often come with fixes or enhancements.
Half of my Amiga roms start and look fine then when they start the graphics are glitchy and the game crashes. Any ideas? It’s driving me mad!
Any chance of recording a video and sharing? Be helpful to see what you're seeing.
th-cam.com/users/shortsBgaNsRFl7nY?feature=share
Thanks for the video. I'm having an issue loading .lha files. .adf run fine and the Zombie Apocalypse 2.lha helper pack file runs fine but all of the 25-odd .lha files I got from WHDLoad show up in emulation station then go into the workbench screen with a list of .info files that do nothing. I'm running from gaming mode. Please help!
Got it working - I was trying to run LHA installers, its the pre-installed packs you want, which, confusingly, are also lha archives. The file size will help you tell the difference, also. Installers are typically 50-150kb, whereas the installed packs are typically 1-2Mb.
What about the “internal Drive Settings”?…Using EMUDECK - PUAE, I am playing sensible soccer (HDF file)- career mode, and I want to save my career status (it says “insert game save disk in df0”),but I always get the same error message “No Disk in Drive”. Are there settings in retroarch about it or should I create a file as Disk Drive df0?…Thank you for your amazing video!
Search the internet for a blank.adf
@@Darkuni thank you very much! this already helped me a lot!
Hello, great video! Do you know what capsimg file you need and where to put it on the Steam Deck? It seems many games need it.
capsimg? I've never heard of this. I've never needed it (or I must already have it). Can you give me more data?
Google is my friend. Why are you using IPF images instead of standard releases? I've honestly NEVER once ran across an IPF Amiga game file. I always use the WHDLoad version or default to ADF. Just curious.
so there's a MASSIVE issue with this guide, it rightly or wrongly assumes you have a Windows PC to install AmigaForever. If like me, you only have a Steamdeck, have paid for AmigaForever and downloaded to your deck in desktop .... even if I have Unmount ISO installed I can't run the EXE
I understand the frustration. There are only so many legal ways to do Amiga emulation. The only legal way to get the kickstarts is through Amiga Forever and Cloanto. Or dump them yourself. Currently, Amiga Forever is a Windows only package - that's what we have to work with here. I COULD go through the effort of possibly installing AF as a non-steam game so you can get the ROMs from the package that way (no, AF won't run on Linux - at least I haven't been able to do so). If there is interest in that, be happy to do it. I will reach out to Cloanto and ask if they would be willing to provide a ready made download for Amiga Forever owners for a Steam Deck solution.
most of the legit amiga games are free on abandonedware, why didn't you use them ?
Just because they're there doesn't mean that they're actually free.
When loading some lha I'm met with a black screen with drawer and file can you help
The LHAs in question are probably NOT stand alone WHDloaders. Just archives. You need to find the WHDload edition.
@@Darkuni thanks
Great video! Is there anyway to get the left analogue stick working in game? I'm trying a game called Goal! and it's hard to use the D pad (my age I guess), thanks.
Yeah, you need to hop into the retroarch settings for that. Not in front of my Deck right now, but you're looking for something that talks about USE LEFT ANALOG CONTROLLER AS and I think you're looking for DIGITAL.
@@Darkuni Thanks I totally missed this reply, I'll take a look later thanks.
awesome, thanks!!
I have all hdf files. will they work as well? I love Amiga games, but am very new to it
HDF files are hit and miss; if they are "stand alone" (i.e. doesn't need Workbench) it should work. Not all HDFs are like that -- some are create to sit adjacent to a Workbench HDF as DH0 and the HDF runs as DH1. Depends on where ya got 'em...
@@Darkuni Hey, thanks for the quick reply!
I tried them all right after i posted this. added my kickstarts to the bios folder, and am playing Chaos Engine right now! all 16 games I added work perfect.
now to get C64 working properly. out of 12 games, only Space Taxi works. they all work fine on my CoinOps build. might try a different Vice core, and see if that helps
@@samfrankelli1334 I have a C64 video coming soon ;D
... And I finally got it done ...
I'd like to use steam deck analog stick but I can only use dpad, how do I set analog stick?
You will have to go into retroarch settings and change the behavior of the left analog.
Was trying to get it to run on my steam deck, but sadly I got the Android Amiga Forever package. Names of Roms are different, which wouldnt be a problem, but MD5 checksums dont fit. Also there are only 6 Roms not 7 :(
As I recall the Amiga forever package on the Android platform only contained a couple of different ROMs such as Amiga 500. You don't need all of them you just need the one appropriate to the system that you plan to run.
Thx for the reply. Problem is that I dont know how to rename the ROMs. MD5 dont match. Guess I just have to try out different combinations
@@BBRodriquez22 I am working with Cloanto about getting a friendly package for Steam Deck ... but it is going slow ...
I'll see if I can work it out for you ... Be a good short video
Here: i.imgur.com/XtE6GwS.png I'll do a video soon. But that is your mapping. I tested a few titles and all was fine.
hej, and thx for the great content. is it possible to follow your guide, without having installed amiga forever on my PC? cant I just buy the plus edition and download the games? i whish to have a huge library of games to explore, and get that nostalgia feeling going. i miss my good old super frog :)
The Deck doesn't have a turnkey solution like Amiga Forever - and Proton won't handle it. The kickstarts you need aren't available until you install Amiga Forever on a PC. If you own the right version of Amiga Forever, you could probably "find" a copy of the kickstarts online. But I can't really be party to that as they are still copyrighted and sold - so anything else would be piracy. :(
@@Darkuni thx for Quick reply. I will look into it and see how it works with Amiga for ever. This is all new to me, so a bit overwhelming at this moment. Thanks again ! :)
@@89martint Amiga isn't the easiest emulation to start with, to be fair ...
hi...with L3 and R3 not open quick menu...why?
Are you using EmuDeck and the default emulator? Or are you trying this with a stand alone emulator?
Best video ever, learned a lot still i can't figure out how to load a 6 disks song in Octamed :/// dang, the m3u doesnt help #mayday
Most esoteric question .. EVER ... asked. Wasn't there a cap on drives? I want to say you could only connect 4 drives total on the Amiga... DF0-DF3 ... not sure how a 6 disk song worked on an ACTUAL Amiga. You would probably do it the same way. I imagine you would take the contents of ALL the disks, put it in the same folder on a HDF Amiga hard drive image and run Octamed from that drive - loading the song there. You could use the manual disk switching, I think, depending on how Octamed asked for them.
@@Darkuni "Depending on how Octamed asked for them." I guess that's my main problem, it does not ask for it and there is no "LOAD/OPEN" button of any kind. Octamed let me browse thru some kind of "local file" (the disk itself i guess, i can load demo songs) but it does not allow me to "get out" of this file system, therefor I cannot access the steam deck hard drive to select the song. (Not sure it makes sense). I tried pretty much all possible option (load disk, eject etc) but no luck so far. i'll keep investigating
@@Semtex199 If you would post the octamed (I assume a bootable disk) and the 6 other disk images somewhere - I'd be happy to take a whack at it.
@@Darkuni i think i found out :) thanks to your video, the LOAD DISK from retroarch is assigned within octamed to/as DF0, which i can access from the octamed filesystem. Disks are actually music samples, i can load them all one disk at a time \O/ the amiga track is on youtube > "Urban Shakedown - Some Justice '94 (Give Away Amiga Disk)"
@@Semtex199 Very cool!
WHDLoad Game doesnt start, tells me "Error 205" i think it has something to do with the kickstart? Has Anybody an idea?
Does your kickstart work with ADF games?
@@Darkuni yes, it does...
@@Darkuni DOS Error 205 (object not found) om reading "devs:kickstart etc... . 2 games are not working, 1 is working. AFD works. Mystery....
I just downloaded Amiga Forever and installed, I cannot find Kickstart folder in Devs... have they moved it? Apologies, noob x
Did you get the right version? Perhaps you installed for JUST ME instead of FOR EVERYONE? Do you use Listarly or Everything? Search your PC for: kick33180.A500 ... that should be in the same folder.
@@Darkuni ok thanks. 👍🏻
For some reason the files went to Program Files (x86)/Clanto/Amiga Forever/WHDLOAD, all sorted now, working like a dream. Thanks again 👍
@@itzame thank you so much for reporting that. I'll have to add that to the description for those who are still looking for them. I'm glad you're all squared away.
@@itzame Just a warning for other people, above location is not a correct folder. It took me few hours to figure it out. To get proper ROMs from Amiga forever package, you need to install Amiga Forever from attached msi file, start it, enter serial key and finally finish the installation. Without serial key you will not see kickstart folder. And if you try to manually rename from files they will not work. So, install, start Amiga Forever, enter serial key, finish installation and then you will see a proper folder.
I am trying to get this working, but having trouble with 1 specific thing: the touchpad mouse. When I first boot into the game, the touchpad responds for 1-2 seconds, then becomes non-responsive. Do you have any ideas about what to try? I have the settings set to be Right Trackpad Behavior As Mouse.
Are you in desktop or gaming mode?
@@Darkuni I think I'm in gaming mode. I launch Emulation Station from SteamOS. I did try another Amiga game and that one the mouse stayed working on the whole time, but there was no sound. So I'm thinking it might just be a 'try various file versions' type of situation. Do you have other suggestions/suspicions I should investigate?
@@KikiAelita it does sound like you might have a problem of obtaining the proper versions to be running. Are you getting ADF files are you getting whd load files or ...?
@@Darkuni All files I've tried are adf files. I will see whether I can locate other file types for the games I'm interested in.
@@KikiAelita Are you on Discord? deckdrivemanager.com/discord/ ... I can point you in the right direction - just not here.
the amiga forever iso I got from the site didnt contain a kickstarts folder even though I bought the one you highlighted in the video i does have a bunch of rp9 files in the system folder though?
it also has a bunch of rom files in shared/rom folder
they are also not named the same as your video for instance amiga-boot-a590.rom so I have no idea what the mapping of names to your files are
I checked the md5 sums against the roms from amiga forever and they dont match up so I'm kind of left guessing as to which ones I should pick
So did you actually INSTALL Amiga Forever? The files won't be "loose" on the ISO - they only appear after you install the product. What version of Amiga Forever did you get? We'll get you sorted out...
also they are not in the folder you described when you mount the iso, if you were referencing an installed folder you might want to have mentioned that as most people setting this up for the steam deck probably dont need to actually install amiga forever, they just need to copy the relevant files.
I have it working now, a1200 and a500 enjoying some classic thank you
Isn't it faster and easier to use FSUAE?.
I use FSUAE and I have just one config for cd32. I load one of those Amigajay cd collections and bam, lots of games to play, no disk swap, no extra memory needed, etc.
I try to tailor my tutorials to be as "out of the box" as possible and the default emulator is performing quite well in my tests...
The Amiga CD sets are nice too, but often have issues in my experience. The loading screens, intros and such are often missing or off. I have a lot of them but I like individual games in Emulation Station. Preference thing really...
@@Darkuni Personally I don't like to play individual games.
@@pnvgordinho Ya. All about choice. I'm glad we have it.
Can you explain the steps to achieve this?
I have no ‘zoom’ mode, any idea why?
PUAE is the emulation core?
@@Darkuni yes it is, I’m using emu deck and emulation station, everything works fine but for some reason I dont have the same menu options as you so I cannot zoom
@@Nunos645cgh This WAS before EmuDeck 2.0 ... I should go back and verify things are still there.
@@Nunos645cgh Still here... i.imgur.com/Pv1yKNX.png
@@Darkuni Thanks, I must be on a different version as you either the Amiga core or retro arch itself or for some reason I have those option masked.
I have PUAE 1.12.0 wonder if that could be why?
That's the only thing I can think of because I have several emulators working perfectly on the deck just like I
say not seeing all of the same menu options, specifically the zoom so as such I have some small black borders.
The devs of these front ends and retro cause the most convoluted ways of setup that should be simple. They're all on the spectrum I swear it, far easier to install windows and run stuff from there. I can setup WinUAE in 2min with my eyes closed, renaming kickstarts? give me a break.
I don't think you are their target audience :)
@@Darkuni I've been going since the 8086 days. Give me a prompt or a rudimentary gui any day of the week. Not had the frustration I've felt with the steam deck since early day basemem troubles.
@@halezy9681 Sci-Tech Display Doctor?
@@Darkuni Nah at this point I'm going to nuke arch and install windows. I want emu's that load the files I explicitly say, not scrape a .dir for files that have to follow a naming convention, FS-UAE is more my style but the whole buggy Arch experience has made me realise I'm spending too much time doing relatively simple tasks so it needs to go.