As a kid growing up in the 1950s with my grandmother in Long Beach California, we rode those buses all over the south land. She used the old bus tokens and had the transfers down to a science. I remember the advertisements above the seats. I was always the one to pull the lanyard for our stop. Later in the late 1960s as a young soldier heading for Vietnam, I rode Greyhound and Trailways all over the country. Greyhound had a deal for soldiers. For just $10 Greyhound would bus freight a GI footlocker to any station their bus line went. Thank you for saving that classic GMC.
Hi Cousin Dan and Sandy, cool bus!!! I remember Dan's other favorite bus was his VW he drove from Florida to California back in 1973 -74. Love and miss you guys! Have a fun and safe trip! Much Love, Cousin Lynn
I love the shape of the 4104s for some reason! This bus is gorgeous!! The driver's area is beautifully stock, as Scott pointed out. Exterior... beautiful..
awsome gm bus!!! when i was young riding the city bus system, they had gm tdh3501 busses. i dreamed of buying my favorite bus and making it into an camper. the sound of the detroit diesel and the air blowing in the windows , just made me feel good another school day is over! nothing like the feel of those busses. symbolized freedom! your bus is a fantastic reality, its the freedom a bus is for us growing up, dreams of far off places and new adventures, thats what that 3501 meant to me!
I never thought I wanted an RV until I started watching your channel. The idea of preserving a classic bus, while creating a comfortable home on the road is really appealing. My grandfather was a bus mechanic, maybe there is some genetic connection as well. Thanks for making the vids!
Very nice conversion, thanks for uploading this and for all of your other videos. I always liked the sound of a Detroit powered bus as it takes me back to my child hood. Makes me wish I had one to travel around in.
This has extremely quickly become a favourite channel of mine, so glad that you upload so often, your videos make my day! Love seeing the old machinery
My sentiments exactly. I'm a recent subscriber and it's like a dream come true with how much he uploads, and the quality of the uploads. I love these GMC buses and those Detroits!
If I were to buy a 4104 , I would love to own this one. Amazing bus, great stories , pride of ownership is incredible! Thank you for sharing it, safe travels to Alaska!
I drove the wheels off of an older '53 4104 than that. I seem to remember it being serial 059? It was originally Contenental Trailways, not a Hound, ended service as Roesch Lines 407. Still had the old Continental/I-R 5 ton A/C from the 4103 and solenoid rack shutdown...sometimes. I know the guy he bought this from, Al Dockery...Able Charter had three of these. Old 407 must've had a gazillion miles on her engine; the blower seals leaked so badly that the engine would partially run on engine oil...about a gallon an hour. It finally yanked a sleeve and Roesch rebuilt it into an N-series. 407 went to a government contract job up in Montana circa 1975 and was never seen since. Interesting spotting feature on the old Trailways '04s was that Trailways removed the band parking brake snd converted to WABCO spring brakes early on. That band brake was about as useless as tits on a boar. Easy spotting feature of early Hound 4104s...conversion of the tailgate to separate turn signals without the sealed beams and later conversion to Csnadian Vickers power assist steering. Roesch had only one ex-Hound 4104, 406, as '54 model that had the Vickers steering, but the tailgate had never been converted. It left Hound and went to Orange Belt Stages/Bakersfield as their 105,, then to Roesch as 406. It was equipped with a Sun tach. Due to its slower Hound rear end and an N series crate engine, 406 could out pull any 8V coach up a grade. They also had an ex-TNM&O 4104, 409, and a 4103, 400, from them, also... both total garbage. I broke the crankshaft on 400 going up Redlands grade one hot summer day. and that was the end if that pile. Low oil pressure was the culprit, although Roesch's head wrench said, "Oh...25 lbs. should be OK." Nope!
I spent many years traveling with a band that used a 1960 4104. Great bus. Perfect condition. They traded for an MCI 7 right after I left. Always wondered what became of it. I keep hoping it will show up on one of these channels.
Man, that clear anodized skin looks classy!! I really dig it! The 6-71 you rebuilt doesn't look like it is leaking a DROP of oil, -that has to be a new world record, nicely done!! That is one sweet 4104 for sure.
Awesome conversion. I noticed by the rear bed the Pioneer Supertuner stereo with cassette player. I had one back in the day, early 80's, it came with a factory under dash mount that allowed you to remove the stereo from the car without any power and speaker wire plugs, the mount had copper fingers (contacts) . I guess you can say it was the first "Anti-theft" auto sound system. Thanks for sharing your video! Kind regards, Eric Dee
I've learned a lot in the past couple weeks just watching your videos man :) Managed to find an 82 at the museum of transportation in roanoke this past week on vacation. Also found a tucker snocat! The bus wasn't actually on display, there was a guy working on it, but he was very kind and let us nose around :) I like your 10 minute ish videos man, always thankful when you have one that long to post :) Thank you!
that is a really beautiful bus , well done conversion ,,i love seeing these old machines still on the road january first of this year i bought one myself after hunting for 20 years ,,I bought a 1948 PD3751 ,,the bus is in great condition the 1975 era conversion needs work and updating ,i've so far replaced ALL of the copper plumbing with CPVC plastic and installed a new water tank ,relocated it into the rear luggage bay from under the dinette seat ,,also replaced all of the low voltage RV wiring , mice had damaged it in places next on my list of updates are new water heaters and furnaces ,,and a multi mode heating system i just purchased a pair of 6.5 KW APU units which will run in parallel ,, these replace the gasoline powered 5kw generator along with the APUs comes 1000 amp hours of 12v storage capacity and dual inverters ,,and a pair of 30 gallon aux fuel tanks
Sweet...compliments to both you guys...nice clean work...it takes special knowledge to keep a classic like this going...anybody can go buy the complicated new stuff...she's gorgeous
I really like the conversion because it is not garish like so many of them done by professional shops . it is well done and thought out though. The cut corners in some of the cabinetry stand out. The other thing I really like is that the drivers area is completely stock, including the standard transmission. Well done.
Absolutely beautiful coach. You did a very nice conversation to this coach. Glad to see guys like you are able to preserve these gems. Enjoy it and God Bless ya. 👍🏻
omg i am a transit bus driver (NYCT MTA) and this bus is amazing .. this reminds me of some of the older RTS buses we still have in service that i still drive.... mta refuses to retire them completely ... there is still a hand full still left in service that we fight to drive when available....
That's some great content. I didn't even know these buses existed. But I did work on Detroit Diesel Allison turboprop engines in the Air Force. The C-130 has a fantastic Detroit Diesel in it. But this one runs on jp-5 or jp4. Around 3,500 horsepower
Roger Lund..... Lol!!.... the "C-130" does NOT have a "Detroit Diesel" in it.... it has Allison Turbo - Props. A HUGE difference between a Diesel Engine and a Turbo - Prop (a Turboshaft Engine turning a Propeller). Detroit Diesel Division & the Allison Turbine Division of GM were merged in 1970 (until 1986), just five years after GM began it's restructuring and consolidating in 1965 which was also the year when GM Diesel became known as the Detroit Diesel Division. The reason that they merged the two (DDD & Allison Turbine Div.) was primarily because even in 1970 GM had a future "vision" of not only producing Diesels, but also developing a full driveline manufacturing base including AMT's (Automated MANUAL Transmissions... which the vast majority of the so-called modern day "truck drivers" Wrongly call "automatic transmissions" - they are Not), drivelines, and all related power sub-assemblies.... and the Allison Turbine Div. had extensive experience in design & manufacturing various types of power transmission assemblies for Turboshaft engines, complete with in-house testing facilities, etc, etc, etc.... so they merged the two to begin working together to develop what they have "today" in "complete power packages" from the engine to the rear drive axles.
Greatest stuff.. Way above my paygrade.. I have run 16v 92's in boats..lol. w/ DDEC electronic controls. Nightmares.. but anyway now retired from the sea and own a 26 foot GMC 1978 Royale... But love seeing these old busses.. would consider one but it would have to be 34 or under to get into all the parks etc. (from boat Capt. to RV tech.. and bought a 40 year motorhome.. )
Those older buses were much better than the ones Greyhound use today. I had to ride one from El Paso, Tx to Roswell, NM and it was noisy and had lots of things rattling. The seat was hard and not comfortable to sit it. Well anyway compared to their services years ago things have really gone downhill. Glad I took that short trip as it would have been pretty rough traveling across the country in one of their modern buses. It will be interesting to see if the company actually lasts much longer. But then maybe the ones in charge will get things fixed and they will do better in the near future.
WOW...absolutely the CLEANEST Bus Engine Compartment I have 'EVER' seen "KUDOS" to ya(they should all look this clean(sigh)..Do ya make yer MECHANIC, wash his hands before working there too? :)
Boy that one is CLEAN! Did Dan do the conversion himself? Other then the shag or carpet on the ceiling up in the front, that interior design is timeless. Like you'd never get in there and say, "Oh someone built this in 1980". Real nice styling in there, will still look good in 20 years.
I would love to hear more stories from him! It's sad that a lot of these older gentlemen like this fellow are getting older and dying along with soo much knowledge and soo many stories!!! I would rather spend time with him than these millenials now days!
Very nice 4104... At 7:27 I believe i saw a KP500 Pioneer Superturner... A fantastic radio and cassette deck... I would love to go for a ride in that... In the movie Shawshank Redemption, was the 4104 the model bus that Morgan Freeman rode in the end of the movie?
Nice bus! Will he be doing videos on a youtube channel? I'd love to watch his trip north. I did Alaska last year, but I did it a way he probably can't, I took the Alaska Ferry up and drove back.
Why do "we" have to wait to be so damned old to finally live our bus dream? Finally acquiring my first bus at 51, estimating 3 years until "The March Hare" (2004 Blue Bird TCF), which will require a full structural refresh - 1/3 complete, will be ready for the road. I'd love an MCI-MC1, but doubt that I'd live long enough to drive her. lol.
Wow, I dream of finding a 4104 that well kept. Thanks for the constant feed of outstanding videos--I like that the lengths vary (as so does my attention span). What was the name of the stuff he used to preserve the finish on the aluminum? I've heard you mention it in at least one other video (where you're looking over a nice silversides with blue paint). It sounded like seal-a-shine, which seems to be a boot polish, or is it seal shine, which sounds like what I'm looking for.
As a kid growing up in the 1950s with my grandmother in Long Beach California, we rode those buses all over the south land. She used the old bus tokens and had the transfers down to a science. I remember the advertisements above the seats. I was always the one to pull the lanyard for our stop. Later in the late 1960s as a young soldier heading for Vietnam, I rode Greyhound and Trailways all over the country. Greyhound had a deal for soldiers. For just $10 Greyhound would bus freight a GI footlocker to any station their bus line went. Thank you for saving that classic GMC.
Hi Cousin Dan and Sandy, cool bus!!! I remember Dan's other favorite bus was his VW he drove from Florida to California back in 1973 -74. Love and miss you guys! Have a fun and safe trip! Much Love, Cousin Lynn
I love the shape of the 4104s for some reason! This bus is gorgeous!! The driver's area is beautifully stock, as Scott pointed out. Exterior... beautiful..
Im a car guy, but have started watching ALL your videos. Your videos are really interesting and informative.
Probably the nicest old conversion I have ever seen yet. I wish the engine compartment on my semi-truck looked as nice as the one on this bus.
Great bus. Thanks for letting us meet such great people and great buses.
Nice guy, beautiful bus. I hope he and his wife have a safe trip from Florida to Alaska.
awsome gm bus!!! when i was young riding the city bus system, they had gm tdh3501 busses. i dreamed of buying my favorite bus and making it into an camper. the sound of the detroit diesel and the air blowing in the windows , just made me feel good another school day is over! nothing like the feel of those busses. symbolized freedom! your bus is a fantastic reality, its the freedom a bus is for us growing up, dreams of far off places and new adventures, thats what that 3501 meant to me!
What a nice guy, he just wants to show it off. The engine looks amazing.
I never thought I wanted an RV until I started watching your channel. The idea of preserving a classic bus, while creating a comfortable home on the road is really appealing. My grandfather was a bus mechanic, maybe there is some genetic connection as well. Thanks for making the vids!
Very nice conversion, thanks for uploading this and for all of your other videos. I always liked the sound of a Detroit powered bus as it takes me back to my child hood. Makes me wish I had one to travel around in.
This has extremely quickly become a favourite channel of mine, so glad that you upload so often, your videos make my day! Love seeing the old machinery
My sentiments exactly. I'm a recent subscriber and it's like a dream come true with how much he uploads, and the quality of the uploads. I love these GMC buses and those Detroits!
Exactly, -me too!!
Awww thank you all ;)
Same here. Same here
If I were to buy a 4104 , I would love to own this one. Amazing bus, great stories , pride of ownership is incredible! Thank you for sharing it, safe travels to Alaska!
Wow! What a beautiful machine! Owned it since '79. It shows. Enjoy! Be safe!
Test drive? What a fantastic bus. The skin is absolutely gorgeous.
I drove the wheels off of an older '53 4104 than that. I seem to remember it being serial 059? It was originally Contenental Trailways, not a Hound, ended service as Roesch Lines 407. Still had the old Continental/I-R 5 ton A/C from the 4103 and solenoid rack shutdown...sometimes. I know the guy he bought this from, Al Dockery...Able Charter had three of these. Old 407 must've had a gazillion miles on her engine; the blower seals leaked so badly that the engine would partially run on engine oil...about a gallon an hour. It finally yanked a sleeve and Roesch rebuilt it into an N-series. 407 went to a government contract job up in Montana circa 1975 and was never seen since. Interesting spotting feature on the old Trailways '04s was that Trailways removed the band parking brake snd converted to WABCO spring brakes early on. That band brake was about as useless as tits on a boar. Easy spotting feature of early Hound 4104s...conversion of the tailgate to separate turn signals without the sealed beams and later conversion to Csnadian Vickers power assist steering. Roesch had only one ex-Hound 4104, 406, as '54 model that had the Vickers steering, but the tailgate had never been converted. It left Hound and went to Orange Belt Stages/Bakersfield as their 105,, then to Roesch as 406. It was equipped with a Sun tach. Due to its slower Hound rear end and an N series crate engine, 406 could out pull any 8V coach up a grade. They also had an ex-TNM&O 4104, 409, and a 4103, 400, from them, also... both total garbage. I broke the crankshaft on 400 going up Redlands grade one hot summer day. and that was the end if that pile. Low oil pressure was the culprit, although Roesch's head wrench said, "Oh...25 lbs. should be OK." Nope!
I remember Roesch Line out of San Bernardino ca on 9th street..
that guy sure did make his bus a unique one for sure !
I spent many years traveling with a band that used a 1960 4104. Great bus. Perfect condition. They traded for an MCI 7 right after I left. Always wondered what became of it. I keep hoping it will show up on one of these channels.
Beautiful,that engines clean as when it was built
That is one the best looking 4104s I have ever seen
THE GRUMPY BUS
Man, that clear anodized skin looks classy!! I really dig it! The 6-71 you rebuilt doesn't look like it is leaking a DROP of oil, -that has to be a new world record, nicely done!! That is one sweet 4104 for sure.
Beautiful bus! Love how original looking it is, and love how they repurposed the emergency exit door.
Beautiful Bus! would love to hear it run. Have a great day.
I'll never have a bus, but thanks to these videos I get to experience a bit about them.
Wow that's a beautiful conversion. Beautiful rebuild by you on that 6-71 also! Bet she just purs.
I absolutely love this bus, great stories, man, how cool.
Awesome conversion. I noticed by the rear bed the Pioneer Supertuner stereo with cassette player. I had one back in the day, early 80's, it came with a factory under dash mount that allowed you to remove the stereo from the car without any power and speaker wire plugs, the mount had copper fingers (contacts) . I guess you can say it was the first "Anti-theft" auto sound system.
Thanks for sharing your video!
Kind regards, Eric Dee
Enjoyed watching. Nice bus. Great way to travel.
I've learned a lot in the past couple weeks just watching your videos man :) Managed to find an 82 at the museum of transportation in roanoke this past week on vacation. Also found a tucker snocat! The bus wasn't actually on display, there was a guy working on it, but he was very kind and let us nose around :) I like your 10 minute ish videos man, always thankful when you have one that long to post :) Thank you!
Stunning conversion, looks amazing. Wouldn't change a thing, it's a credit to you.
that is a really beautiful bus , well done conversion ,,i love seeing these old machines still on the road
january first of this year i bought one myself after hunting for 20 years ,,I bought a 1948 PD3751 ,,the bus is in great condition
the 1975 era conversion needs work and updating ,i've so far replaced ALL of the copper plumbing with CPVC plastic and installed a new water tank ,relocated it into the rear luggage bay from under the dinette seat ,,also replaced all of the low voltage RV wiring , mice had damaged it in places
next on my list of updates are new water heaters and furnaces ,,and a multi mode heating system
i just purchased a pair of 6.5 KW APU units which will run in parallel ,, these replace the gasoline powered 5kw generator
along with the APUs comes 1000 amp hours of 12v storage capacity and dual inverters ,,and a pair of 30 gallon aux fuel tanks
Beautiful coach. That’s one of my favorite buses.
Sweet...compliments to both you guys...nice clean work...it takes special knowledge to keep a classic like this going...anybody can go buy the complicated new stuff...she's gorgeous
Wow, what a great Bus!
Goes to show what a long ownership will produce.
I really like the conversion because it is not garish like so many of them done by professional shops . it is well done and thought out though. The cut corners in some of the cabinetry stand out. The other thing I really like is that the drivers area is completely stock, including the standard transmission. Well done.
It really is a very beautiful bus. And I agree about that skin, It looks new.
Absolutely beautiful coach. You did a very nice conversation to this coach. Glad to see guys like you are able to preserve these gems. Enjoy it and God Bless ya. 👍🏻
They remind me of the older 50s era prop passenger planes
The engine is clean, the skin is clean, and the woodwork is incredible.
I'm a bus driver in the UK and can only dream of driving something beautiful like this :(
Absolutely beautiful bus thanks for sharing 👍👍
I second that.
Looks Awesome. Have not seen inside yet! The body looks real American! Awesome. And a tri-axle !
Nice bus, nice story
omg i am a transit bus driver (NYCT MTA) and this bus is amazing ..
this reminds me of some of the older RTS buses we still have in service that i still drive.... mta refuses to retire them completely ... there is still a hand full still left in service that we fight to drive when available....
@@douro20 sorry not sure ... but I can tell the difference in the power between some of them .. some are much more responsive then others
Gorgeous bus.
Watch your channel is perfect ASMR! Love these longer video. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing this beautiful bus conversion!
Purchased in 1979. In between bong hits? That's back when great ideas happened!
Yes sir that's a beauty.👍
That's some great content. I didn't even know these buses existed. But I did work on Detroit Diesel Allison turboprop engines in the Air Force. The C-130 has a fantastic Detroit Diesel in it. But this one runs on jp-5 or jp4. Around 3,500 horsepower
I sure do miss the old Detroit Diesel/Allison days, they built some truly incredible things back in the day.
Roger Lund..... Lol!!.... the "C-130" does NOT have a "Detroit Diesel" in it.... it has Allison Turbo - Props. A HUGE difference between a Diesel Engine and a Turbo - Prop (a Turboshaft Engine turning a Propeller).
Detroit Diesel Division & the Allison Turbine Division of GM were merged in 1970 (until 1986), just five years after GM began it's restructuring and consolidating in 1965 which was also the year when GM Diesel became known as the Detroit Diesel Division.
The reason that they merged the two (DDD & Allison Turbine Div.) was primarily because even in 1970 GM had a future "vision" of not only producing Diesels, but also developing a full driveline manufacturing base including AMT's (Automated MANUAL Transmissions... which the vast majority of the so-called modern day "truck drivers" Wrongly call "automatic transmissions" - they are Not), drivelines, and all related power sub-assemblies.... and the Allison Turbine Div. had extensive experience in design & manufacturing various types of power transmission assemblies for Turboshaft engines, complete with in-house testing facilities, etc, etc, etc.... so they merged the two to begin working together to develop what they have "today" in "complete power packages" from the engine to the rear drive axles.
@@Romans--bo7br he is talking about the APU. indeed they did have a Detroit in them way back when.
Amazing bus and loved the story!
Did a lot of work on 🚌 1980s 4106 4905 @transit buses. Suburban. DC. Commute. Enjoying the channel. Bristol Dave. Retired
I am a transportation guy. Your videos are awesome.
Greatest stuff.. Way above my paygrade.. I have run 16v 92's in boats..lol. w/ DDEC electronic controls. Nightmares.. but anyway now retired from the sea and own a 26 foot GMC 1978 Royale... But love seeing these old busses.. would consider one but it would have to be 34 or under to get into all the parks etc. (from boat Capt. to RV tech.. and bought a 40 year motorhome.. )
That is a clean bus! That exterior. Holy smokes
Joes Golden Garage it’s beautiful. Rolling American art.
Love it! Thank you for sharing, one of the best conversions I've seen. Top shelf restoration!
Couldn't imagine being the one to make that first cut for that funace access panel on that beautiful skin lol. Gorgeous bus though 👍👍
Awesome
Awesome
Thank you
Few appreciate your hard work.
Well not exactly true. Close to 10K subscribers appreciate it. 😎
Beautiful bus thanks for giving the tour.
Not gonna lie I don't know much about buses but for some reason I really enjoy your videos. Please keep uploading.
It's easy to see why you guys fall in love with these busses.
Very nice. I am selling my 1958 GM PD4104. It has a beautiful conversion but needs updating at this time. It is in Seattle.
Beautiful!
I drove for a small charter company in the late 70’s that had a pair of ‘58’s.
Beautiful bus.
Gorgeous!!
Those older buses were much better than the ones Greyhound use today. I had to ride one from El Paso, Tx to Roswell, NM and it was noisy and had lots of things rattling. The seat was hard and not comfortable to sit it. Well anyway compared to their services years ago things have really gone downhill. Glad I took that short trip as it would have been pretty rough traveling across the country in one of their modern buses. It will be interesting to see if the company actually lasts much longer. But then maybe the ones in charge will get things fixed and they will do better in the near future.
If he runs through Anchorage I'll keep an eye out for it
Wow! cool dash area
WOW...absolutely the CLEANEST Bus Engine Compartment I have 'EVER' seen "KUDOS" to ya(they should all look this clean(sigh)..Do ya make yer MECHANIC, wash his hands before working there too? :)
Loved the tour! Can't say as I am a fan of the ceiling material.
Just *WOW* ! What a dollbaby!
Nice old bus.
Boy that one is CLEAN! Did Dan do the conversion himself? Other then the shag or carpet on the ceiling up in the front, that interior design is timeless. Like you'd never get in there and say, "Oh someone built this in 1980". Real nice styling in there, will still look good in 20 years.
Awesome Bus!
Oh yes, what a beauty
SWEEEEETTTTTTT! nice 4104!
Beautiful bus! I would like to know more about the cold water diversion method. Think the owner could share?
Really nice bus
What a beauty.
Great Video.. Beautiful Bus..
Nice bus!
living the American dream. Fantastic.
Simply Awesome
And it's still stick! Nice.
I would love to hear more stories from him! It's sad that a lot of these older gentlemen like this fellow are getting older and dying along with soo much knowledge and soo many stories!!! I would rather spend time with him than these millenials now days!
Today is your lucky day... stay tuned
@@BusGreaseMonkey Do you have any info on the product that he used to get that white Aluminum look? Tried to google for it, but no luck.
Really nice!
Very nice 4104... At 7:27 I believe i saw a KP500 Pioneer Superturner... A fantastic radio and cassette deck... I would love to go for a ride in that...
In the movie Shawshank Redemption, was the 4104 the model bus that Morgan Freeman rode in the end of the movie?
Very nice! Thanks for sharing 🚇
I love this bus.
Nice Norwegian Jøtul wood oven. in a very nice bus
That is a very pretty 4104
That is a Beauty !
Pretty bus
Nice bus! Will he be doing videos on a youtube channel? I'd love to watch his trip north. I did Alaska last year, but I did it a way he probably can't, I took the Alaska Ferry up and drove back.
beautiful jewel on 6 wheels,,
I noticed Scott he has a water filter mounted to the drain plug on the engine water pump.
super clean 6/71........
Why do "we" have to wait to be so damned old to finally live our bus dream? Finally acquiring my first bus at 51, estimating 3 years until "The March Hare" (2004 Blue Bird TCF), which will require a full structural refresh - 1/3 complete, will be ready for the road. I'd love an MCI-MC1, but doubt that I'd live long enough to drive her. lol.
Absolutely beautiful! Can you adopt me?! hahaha
Wow, I dream of finding a 4104 that well kept. Thanks for the constant feed of outstanding videos--I like that the lengths vary (as so does my attention span). What was the name of the stuff he used to preserve the finish on the aluminum? I've heard you mention it in at least one other video (where you're looking over a nice silversides with blue paint). It sounded like seal-a-shine, which seems to be a boot polish, or is it seal shine, which sounds like what I'm looking for.