Eliot Coleman | Real Organic vs. Chemical Farming | 008
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- #008: Farming icon Eliot Coleman talks about deep organic, deep science, and the history of organic farming and its struggle to stave off the chemical farming industry.
Eliot Coleman is an author, market gardener, and educator. His work on the USDA study in the late 1970's, "Report and Recommendations on Organic Farming" helped lead to the formation of the National Organic Program, setting the very standards that are being ignored by corporate interests today.
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Elliot Coleman is a brilliant individual.
I have enjoyed this video but I don't think most young people could follow you or understand what you are talking about without an "Organic Dictionary". As old as I am it took a while to comprehend what you were talking about the hydroponics. I hadn't seen hydroponics sold as Organic but I did think they probably had less gmo or chemicals but I didn't think about the soil. Than you.
The answers are so obvious, simple, elegantly logical and sustainable. WHAT to do is not in question, it's the willingness of those who hoard power, land and natural resources and impose slavery over the rest of the world to relinquish their evil, psychopathic intentions. We are in the final showdown. Blessed are those who have the knowledge and willingness to become self sufficient and form truly egalitarian communities of human beings.
Hearing this talk about organic agriculture and the chemical companies, I can't help but think about our bodies and pharmaceutical companies. Very interesting to consider that in relation to the recent pandemic.
Living Legends. Do not fear Gentlemen, we will keep the candle burning and hand off the torch!
We experienced the same resistance in the 1980s when we started homeschooling our children. You go against the herd and it's tough. Thanks for hoeing your own row, man.
A wonderful thing to take notice of, is the fog gradually overtaking the background while they have this talk
This interview opened my eyes to the 'real' organic gardening in the world. Very enlightening.
This man is a genius
Yeah. Coleman is really a cool guy
I have been getting involved in hydroponics recently and it never occurred to me that someone would call it organic. Clearly the definition of organic has been stretched so far that it's warped into something new. Keep fighting!!!!
Lovely meander through the history of the organic movement. A useful term for describing the impact of buying new machinery, when Colman was talking about whether an electric tractor would ever offset the energy used to make it, is “embedded energy”. Solar systems that take many years to pay off their embedded energy, where possible, I guess the holy grail is to design passive systems, heating and cooling, gravity fed etc. Thank you for this interview 💚
Eliot an Dave, thank you for sharing this intresting conversation and video.
Eliot - thank you for all your working knowledge and experience. You are an inspiration that gives the world hope.
Eliot's speaking, I'm listening!
I unexpectedly learned so much from listening to these two gentlemen speak. So glad I clicked on it! Thank you for putting this together!
I SUGGEST WE PRAY: FATHER GOD, ABBA, THANK YOU FOR OPENING THE EYES, EARS AND HEARTS OF MANKIND, TO YOUR WISDOM, AND, INSTRUCTION ON HOW WE CAN CONFORM ONLY TO YOUR CREATION AND HOW IT WAS MADE TO STEWARD YOUR SOIL AND SEED TO FEED US ONLY FOOD THAT IS HEALTHY WITH DENSE VITALITY. IN THE NAME OF Y'SHUA OUR MESSIAH (AKA. JESUS CHRIST).
cheers and shalom mishpocha
Beautiful prayer, so fitting . Thankyou . Organic farming for life.
I cant stop reading those books of Mr Elliot Coleman and for me that makes completely sense. I’m going to start and sometimes I think…Wuau I’m scared its a challenge for life its not my field but I’m passioned about this reality and not only for its own filosophy…I’m learning a great deal and I know I’m going to make a lot of mistakes, but for me Mr. Coleman a the best! Thank you so much for this amazing interview!!
Please can you name some of them
All the best with your endeavours! 🌳🕊💚
Love their direction and dedication.
With them all the way!
Excellent discussion! Thank you for posting.
We are a small, organic, regenerative, no-till, no-kill farm. We use no inputs other than Back to Eden woodchips, comfrey tea, rabbit manure and that’s it.
We ALSO grow using KRATKY hydroponics. There is no electricity, no solutions outside of homemade comfrey tea and fish hydrolysate and pond water.
It IS possible. We grow Kratky in glass mason jars. No plastic.
It can be done very simply. ❤️
I appreciate the thoughtful questions and answers given in this interview.
Brilliant and beautiful interview! Just say it how it is boys 👍🏽
Nice one, the compost platform for the speakers 🤭
Omg... Laverstoke is less than an hour's drive from where i live... Maybe Jody knows someone in my neighbourhood who would be happy to let me loose on a small piece of their ample land (not owning a scrap myself)...
I get dirty with MotherEarth every day, and suffer withdrawal symptoms if i'm forced to abstain even for one day 🤪. And to me very nearly everything battery operated is a nono...
Is it true that CO2 rises fOllow climatic warming... ?
If common sense and appreciation for Creation's generosity escape people, let the fear do the job... we'll be there to help them through it.
Vandana Shiva has been an activist for organic and true-seed farming for decades, initially and mostly in India. She points out the deeply socially destructive effects of synthetic (
Would love to see Mr. Coleman sit down and chat with Mr. Bonsall
Excellent
Until you start giving politicians the same kind of money that they get from big ag, you'll always lose. But, there is something we can do. Educate people. Start with family and friends, they talk to people too. Let people taste the difference, it helps. Explain to them that the extra money they spend on real food will be saved by the drugs that they will be able to stop taking because of all the chemicals that are put into what people think is food.
I like these videos that support permaculture. What I’d like to see is a system for it from cradle to grave for the beginning gardener.
Starting with a native grassy plot and sandy soil what should they do first.
Step by step so that they may achieve a state of gardening that doesn’t require any inputs besides labor and water.
I have a grassy plot I want to start gardening on. Can I get there without tilling it and putting cardboard on it? Will weeds be an issue and require years of labor?
I am happy to hear this youtube thing of a ma jig (regional)? I work as a person who deals with problems and design of urban environments. I work every time as a soil builder naturally....technicals all
3 Cheers for Jody Scheckter
Dow chemical companies did the gardens compared chemicals vs non chemical. Not non bias. Organic is the way to go.
Excellent interview. I really enjoyed this thank you.
Just knowing Elliott today.l'm interested in his ideas.
Excellent interview! Organic farming is often described as a method of farming that is free of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. This is similar to the way many products are marketed as healthy by being labeled as sodium-free, sugar-free, fat-free, cholesterol-free, gluten-free, nut-free, etc. It is always much easier and more profitable to tell people what a product doesn't contain rather than the nutrients it DOES contain. Without regenerative farming practices, organic farming can be as harmful and unsustainable as chemical farming.
Excellent information. Food for Thought!
Thank you so much for the enlightenment. GOD bless you.
I saw a video on Geoff Lawtons TH-cam channel of massive flooding in Australia...Geoff had no damage and his neighbor's farm was devastated. Wouldn't you think the farmer would have walked over and asked for help? It's insane.
Simply excellent
Excepttional knowledge & passion, Mr. Coleman. Thank you for great conversation, both gentlemen have great knowledge & passion for the soil. Thank you.
I was thinking that in the most basic scale, a homemaker’s garden present a lot of challenges. We garden in the backyard, space is so limited and shaded by ancient trees, there are times we incorporate blood meal or fish emulsion along with our compost, just to give the veggies a bit of a boost in the growth. I wish there’s a podcast that addresses a backyard garden. For if everybody has a basic kitchen garden, there’ll be less demands on truckloads of veg that can easily be grown in a piece of land.
To wit, our family consume lots of ginger, garlic, onions, parsley, scallions, carrots, kale, lettuce bakchoy, cabbages & tomatoes . I hadn’t buy any of the above except 2 heads of cabbages ( since cabbage worm ate the rest of the harvest☺️) the whole of 2021. I grow herbal teas as well. It is a great pleasure for me to pick veg & herbs to cook. Yes, the flavors are sumptuous!
It would be so helpful to listen to techniques in growing a homemaker’s garden.
Stay safe.
cabbage worms have many natural enemies - wasps, beetles,birds, spiders, try attracting those into your garden by planting meadow flowers, hanging a bird feeder and installing a bird bath etc.Chickens can do the job too
Eliot addressed the Delta Council in Greenville Mississippi. He was there to convince the cotton farmers to go organic. I later watched a video . Where he made fun of those farmers because they did not hear is sermons. What Eliot should have done was rent some land. And showed them how it could be done. He was talking to farmers who were farming Thousands of acers. All the organic amendments he suggested to use. Would have to be shipped in from far away. The organic insect control would also would have to be shipped in. The weather in Maine, where it rarely gets above 75 degrees all summer is very different, than the Hot climate of Mississippi. Where they have many days over 100 degrees, and nights in the high 70's all the way into October. Eliot can apply compost, and may not have to add anymore for years. The same application in Mississippi would be totally gone in one growing season from the heat and Microbes decomposition.
live long and prosper!
Can someone confirm if Eliot Coleman actually produce all his compost needs on-farm? If so, would love a podcast just about how that’s possible because all market gardeners I follow from JM to Curtis Stone buy their compost needs..
Yes, I've heard him talk about this (is it not in this episode?). He does make all of his compost on-farm, but in the earliest days he sourced some of the ingredients locally, but off-farm (seaweed, forest litter, etc.).,
@@jennyprince7949 Would really appreciate if Eliot makes an episode dedicated to this topic of being 100% self sustainable and producing all his inputs on farm like compost.
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Can I have guide to how compost and garden method from Philippines
I just love you both, you guys are awesome.,,,,MAKES ME WANT TO ĎO IT TOO, I will succeed!
I have a larger vegetable garden in Lindstrom MN. Cover crops are new to me to use in the garden. If you can recommend a site or the result of your efforts are published, regarding vegetables cover crops, please drop me a note. Most of what I’ve located are for larger scale farmers. Great work, have been following Eliot forever.
I too am learning about cover crops right now for my small garden. I just planted a cover crop mix that I got from "true leaf market" that is designed for garden beds large or small I believe. It all sprouted nicely after just a week from sowing.
i loved watching tou both but couldnt take my eyes from Elliots gillet where did you get it from please xx
I wish I can ask Eliot about a point in his book “The new organic grower” where he says that using Bentonite clay is beneficial to sandy soil especially but doesn’t specificy which type. There are three: calcium Bentonite, sodium Bentonite and potassium Bentonite.
I would do calcium more available Ca is almost always an advantage, if your soil geologically is low in potassium then use that. Would avoid sodium, as excess sodium is an issue in soils.
@@danlefever6254 makes sense, Thanks!
How. How do we do this.
Second time in my life to hear another person say a concept was like a religion. The other time was me after researching vaxxines & seeing the true science . Mostly lack of & Bad science .Actually i was just trying to create conversations about the topic. People were explosive & called me a baby killer. I was baffled by this reaction and it was the only conclusion I could come to.
I wonder how coleman feels about the Covid non sense.. I live right near him and wanna sit with him and talk.
Why don't we have a private certification board that is headed by people who farm organically and who would have a vested interest in "real organic". Give it a trademark ™ so it can't be hijacked. It would provide clarity when shopping the shelves and the board members would be insulated from bribery by big ag/food.
That’s a pretty close description to what Real Organic Project is and how it operates! We are a farmer-led organization with a standards board and certification team that operates as you describe. The baseline for applying for our add-on food label is USDA Certification; from there, we visit and verify that farms actually meet our additional (stricter) standards. Certified producers can then apply our label to their packaging, website, farm stand, market booth, . etc. With a 15% rejection rate, there is no hijacking taking place.
@@realorganicproject6836 That's awesome! Major kudos to you for that! Really wish it weren't tied to the USDA cert first though, because that's a deal breaker. We refuse to pay the USDA for a compromised certification that we then have to pass the cost of on to our customers.
Edit: I can see where having that certificate first might weed out a lot of the applicants you would have to wade through. Makes sense, it's just a bummer!
In Africa people think I am crazy for not wanting to use fertilizers and for spending a lot of time making compost.
What a long strange trip it's been..
You may not believe this, but the most progressive form of organic farming (grassland system, no chemicals, crop rotation etc) was practiced in the USSR, on the scale of the entire country, before mid 50s
@@toha5966 it´s a fact.
growing up my family and neighbors just gardened, it was never called "organic" or anything, it was just common sense to grow your soil or to rotate crops or to use natural or common things like cow manure.
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Now should be the turn of field of Medicine to get out of the Dogma .
Big Money in chemical sales. A multi billion dollar industry. I love Organic foods.
Organic Gardening/Farming. I found it interesting to read the Bible in Genesis chapter one, how step by step God created earth. Organics seems to been started in order, not the chaos of the big bang theory.
But Eliot, with Cattle, CO2 is not the only problem. The real problem is the much more potent greenhouse gas: methane.
Nonsense, cattle grazing benefits the grassland ecosystem so much that it completely offsets any greenhouse gas emission from their digestion. The problem is feeding 10 000 cows in concentration camps feedlot style, with desert down their feet and soy coming from Brasil (aka former Amazon forest).
When Buffalo roamed there were millions of them but they were grazing
beekeepers will know the honey /sugar syrup fraud
hydroponic organic???!! Isn't this the definition of a oxymoron? omg what have we become :(
I call conventional farming in America with water soluble fertilizer: dryland hydroponics
ANYTHING NOT OF ALMIGHTY GOD, IS FROM THE ENEMY: EVIL