Not doubting that Gareth Southgate is a good man and nice person, but that doesn't mean he is a good manager, he was very limited. He had a squad full of players who play expansive and progressive, offensive minded football at their clubs and basically had them play like Stoke under Tony Pulis.
He doesn’t have a style of play which eventually caught up to him. Had about 4 different styles each game which the players clearly implemented. The likes of Foden, saka, Kane, they need a system that suits them but Southgate couldn’t provide that. He’s put us on the right track but was certainly the right time to go
but that was his limit and has was dragged through it by individual moments, a great man manager but lacking everywhere else, he would be a perfect number 2 for someone like Jose or Klopp
Thank you for the memories, the example you set and the changes you engendered Gareth. Now it's time for a new chapter. Let me know what you think of my thoughts on Gareth stepping down, who should replace him and how we ultimately judge Southgate's time as England boss.
I liked G-South. Thought he did well overall and was a decent human. My only major criticism was his inability to make effective changes at the right time at the match, but it feels like very few managers have that skill. I think England will struggle at the 2026 World Cup (with or without Southgate) as they seem to fatigue very quickly and that tournament will be played in a warm climate earlier in the afternoon.
@@ihbif3f395mate he played about 30 mins. The only players who increased in value are Palmer, Mainoo, Geuhi and Pickford.I think Watkins was already worth a decent amount I reckon he’s about 50 million
Personally I think Eddie Howe is the best man for the job. He has the tactical knowledge that Southgate and many English managers are lacking. Howe has also proved himself in the PL so he's exactly what I think this team need to succeed with the talent they have which Southgate evidently wasn't able to utilise properly.
He was not unlucky to lose the 2021 final on penalties, the very early lead should have been converted into at least a two goal lead as Italy looked flustered.
Well done to Gareth for getting us to where we are now considering where we were when he took over but we need someone more aggressive in as manager to get us over the line in finals.
Gary O’Neill I think is someone who is not spoken about enough. A young manager who plays good attacking football and tactically astute. He was wrote off at Bournemouth after doing an incredible job. Then replaces lopateugi with a very depleted wolves squad and they were never in any danger of going down after being tipped to do so
Good point about how Southgate elevated lesser players and got them to believe in comparison to now. I want Tuchel personally, loved living here and perfect for knockout football.
England fans: "We want an English manager who plays attacking football!" Also England fans: "Please not Lee Carsley (winner of the U21 Euro's playing extremely good football)."
completely justified criticism** no one ever criticised him for anything other than what was seen on the pitch, never said anything personal whatsoever
I think Southgate did a good job in bringing back the positivity and hope for England but as a manager overall, i don't think he was that good. Sure he got to two finals at the Euros and the semi finals of the world cup but England had usually gotten teams below their quality and whenever they did face a team on their level, they would usually lose. He also played a very boring style of football that is just out of depth nowadays and it didn't let the team play to their full potential and was probably holding them back more. The players deserve blame too as most of them don't perform as good for their country as they do fir their team but it's also the manager's job to get thr best out of them and i feel he didn't do that. As someone who is Irish, the reason why a lot of us don't want England to win the euros or world cup is not just because we hate the national team, it's also because they've never felt like they've deserved or played well enough to get as far as they did. This was the right decision but they have to get a top quality manager if they wanna be seen as one of the best teams in the world
Think with the style of play comment, I don’t think he has a clear one. I think he lets the players almost do what they want and in the end you see multiple. Like Kane likes to drop in with someone spinning in behind and he’s done that for the last 4 years. But saka and foden are very systemated and you see them try and play like they do for city and arsenal. That’s where I think it’s gone wrong for him
Good points Spencer Spanish produce much better managers the teams that are doing well right now in the prem have the Spanish managers and play the Spanish style
100% correct take. Done brilliant in 2018 - overperformed in fact and croatia actually had the better players. First final since 66 in 2021 - absolutely no complaints. Did well in 2022 - even outplayed France, can't fault his tactics there. However, this tournament bar Netherlands he has consistently been poor and despite our run it just felt unsustainable - at some point individual brilliance wouldn't be enough. Love him to bits but it's the perfect time for us to depart. Need someone with a bit better tactical nous to get us over the line in big games
Gareth Southgate made me believe England can be competitive. He got the squad of premier league rivalries and egos together, and he is one of the few men in positions of power that I feel comfortable looking to as a role model through his words and actions. Tactically defensive which in this last tournament no longer makes sense with the attacking personnel we have. My GOODNESS though far and away the best England mamager of my lifetime, right time to go but didn't deserve all the utter vitriol handed out whenever we don't blow teams away 5-0 whilst playing like 90s Brazil. I hope we don't end up in the doldrums like 2000 - 2016 (remember the golden generation 😬) Thank you Gareth ❤
To start with you have to take into consideration that countries like Spain, Argentina, Brazil etc. have as a priority to create technically gifted players at young age and then introduce them into playing team styles. Unfortunately, England and several other countries don't have that and hype up mediocre players. I think the playing style that England has to mimic is the German which means players that know the basics very well and play hard as a team with great chemistry and pasion.
You also look at their squads they aren’t unbelievable. Ronaldinho said he wasn’t even going to support Brazil this tournament as the squads that bad. On paper, englands got arguably the best squad in Europe and it was shown by us being the favourites for the tournament. However, tactically our coaches and managers are inept
Southgate’s cautious, defensive ethos is completely opposite to how all these players operate for their club teams. Except probably for Pickford who has been on a team fighting relegation for the past 3-4 seasons, hence why he always wants to punt the ball as far away from his goal as possible. So he is playing to his players weaknesses rather than their strengths.
I never found Southgate to be a good manager, not for country or club. For England you always hear from english fans that he got you to finals in Euro twice and world cup to semis but ultimately from what I remember it was always along the same lines: mistakes, played worse but won, easier opponents, etc. I mean look at this tournament, Palmer clutch player, didnt start him once, last minute winner, last minute equalizer (vs Slovakia who did play well, but it should have been so much easier for England with the players they have), meanwhile look at Spain's road to the finals. All of them top teams. Yet England played arguably worse than their opponent in most matches and this has been the case previously too. Last Euros also finals, but the opponets were also easier than Italy's, except for Germany maybe, which England did win, but yet again played worse. And for the world cup 2018 not even 3rd place, again last minute clutch goal, performances mid, very mid, but for the roster that came it was pretty good as you said, which is true. However at the end of the day the perfomances were disappointing, but it was in EURO 2020 for me when it went downhill, with the subs he made in finals especially.
Southgate took England as far as he could, and he’s left the squad in a much better place than it was after Euro 2016. All we need is that cutting-edge. Someone to come in and get the team scoring goals for fun. But thank you, Gareth. You may not have won anything, but you came a hell of a lot closer than all the other England managers we’ve had since 1966.
Every single big player in the team underperformed or wasn’t used. Starting 11 decisions were ridiculous. Squad decisions were ridiculous. Substitution timing was poor. Tactics were poor. These players on paper are so much better than every other team in the world. They’ve got Man City, Arsenal, and Man U players throughout the back yet wouldn’t play out from the back if their lives depended on it. On the contrary, they would play their way backwards constantly.
You did spew some facts there, unlike some other English TH-camrs. But I would point out one thing, I don’t think it was ever about being entertaining. It was more about how inapt this team looked with the players that are on that pitch. Playing defensive counter attacking football is alright, if you are good at it and it works. But it didn’t work, not having shots on target for 90+ minutes is inapt. Keep playing under performing individuals is inapt. Not making subs(in most matches) until it’s too late or before you go behind is inapt. He was tactically outplayed by almost every other coach that he came up against barring a half or two. A Bellingham wonder goal, a Saka long shot, A Watkins wonder goal, A Palmer long shot, that’s not tactics mate, that’s individual brilliance and luck. When a shot with less than .1 xG goes in, that literally means 9/10 times that won’t go in, that’s how luck is defined.
he hit his limit 4 years ago sadly and its cost us 2 major titles now. tactically inept, no courage and to loyal to unfit players, great man management though.
8 years ago you told me that Gareth Southgate would be another Roy Hodgson and wouldn’t inspire anybody. I think it’s safe to say that he proved you wrong on that front!
Your issue is you speak about not appreciating the tactical side as an englishman, and then when speaking about Howe & Potter, you revert back to “What have they won?” Both of them are significant upgrades on Southgate, tactically.
Spendog it has to be Jose, serial winner, silly amount of experience with the English game and an all round top bloke. Many will say he’s past it but at international level I’d have full confidence he’d win us a trophy. 🏆🏴🦁
He’s literally just joined fenerbache and mourinho has a great record but his style of play for a top level national team will not be good he’s got Stone Age tactics like southgate but he’d manage the players better
You might be the first person I've heard express opinions that are close to my own. I agree with pretty much all of what you said here. It's almost like we need to have Gareth as England "Manager", but someone with some real tactical nous and a better understanding of how to just go and win games in a kind of "Head Coach" role. Southgate has been great for the overall image and setup of the national team and it's kind of a shame to lose that, but I agree that there's no way he has the experience or the ideas that are needed to become a proper force on the international scene.
What’s done is done now. Love what Gareth done and do feel bad for him but ultimately we now need some who can get us over the line but also play with a bit of intent.
I think Mainoo has increased his value over the tournament. One of England's best players in the tournament but I agree. Not many set the tournament alight.
i think we only deserve a manager with a background of success if we are looking at it from a talent of squad point of view. We need someone who has experience of winning. Someone who can push us over that line that we for some reason can not cross. Us as england fans do not deserve a good manager from how we treat such brilliant managers.
I think if you look at how old the key players in the squad are, its about building, I kind of feel this was THE CHANCE to win a trophy. I expect a large drop off this world cup and maybe a few years before we land on 'The One' maybe for EURO2028.
Southgate is the highest paid international manager, for someone of his managerial ability and lack of winning. He should count himself lucky he lasted this long. His style of football is outdated and this underdog mentality with this group of players couldn't go on.
Very interesting and entertaining video as always Spence! Really like the down to earth, nothing personal, very human and unbias views which are getting rarer online nowadays.
I’m very worried about what the FA are going to do now. The fact they wanted to keep him on means I have very little trust in them getting the next guy right. It’ll probably be Lee Carsley, who is a better coach than Southgate no doubt but would just be another yes man media darling. Eddie Howe would be ideal but getting him out of Newcastle seems unlikely at this point. Potter is a good modern manager but we saw at Chelsea how he copes with a job with huge expectation and pressure. The way he conducted himself in the press was so embarrassing. For me, the best available manager right now is either Pochettino or Tuchel. Both managers have proved themselves in England, have a proven track record of developing and successfully utilising English players and are big personalities. This is especially true of Tuchel who is a master in cup competitions and really has some kind of special love for English players ever since he went Chelsea. Just look at what he did with James and Chilwell, I think he could really make Trent a machine at international level in a similar way. Not to mention Kane who in terms of goals just had his best ever season under him.
Gareth thank you for everything you've given us some of the best England moments of our lives Now it's time for someone to give us the ultimate England moment Let's get Klopp or Pep let's be ambitious
I'm just saying this before the video really starts, as an Irish person, promoting up the manager of the youth teams does not always go successfully, but I do think in the case of England that Lee Carsley would be a really good fit. Less name value, so less pressure on his shoulders, he knows most of the England squad very well from u21 level and he would bring a fresh approach.
I agree with the foden thing. We had the prem player of the year and the best wasn’t brought out of him which upset me because I was hoping he’d be our guy
Thanks Gareth for the memories and dedication. Should have been let go after the World Cup in my opinion as it was clear then that our football wouldn't be good enough to win a tournament. Eddie Howe would be the no1 option for me, followed by Klopp.
Crazy that Spencer's, the massive optimist, only positive of Southgate is that he's a nice guy, . I'd be shocked to see Pep or Klopp take the England job. Has Pep said he'd never manage Spain? He has almost 50 caps for the national team.
Imagine Southgate taking on another national team and winning... I actually think SG did a great job with England under tough circumstances. Didn't play sexy football but if you look at the direction in the next 5 years you will see a more statistical approach to winning games. He made England hard to beat. He gave it a great shot and puts it into perspective knowing he's won the most knockout games as England manager. Whoever comes in is in a tough situation and unless it's Pep or Klopp (which I think is unlikely) there will be questions surrounding the appointment. I can see us struggling in the next 2/3 tournaments unless the FA play a blinder.
I think Klopp is even more of a longshot than Pep. He is clearly burned out after Liverpool, I doubt he looks at how high pressure the England job is and decided to forego a hiatus to manage a country that he's not from. I would like Ange tbh, I think he's got the personality to handle the pressure well and make the tactical decisions he feels is right. He's managed on the international stage before, I think he's worth a try.
Whoever the FA chooses has to be able to actually utilize all the high-end talent England has up the pitch. Southgate got results, but it was always by trying to win 1-0 by locking down and depending on a Kane or a Belkinghamnor a Saka (or in Sunday's case Cole Palmer) to have a moment of individual brilliance. But England's strength is in all of their creative, fluid attacking and midfield talent. This is a team that's built to win shootouts, not stalemates.
Mainstream media protected Southgate. Anyone who understands ball knew that he was never going to win a trophy with England. This a man who got relegated with a fairly decent Middlesbrough side which tells you everything about his skills (or lack of), the only person I've seen nail his time with England perfectly is Mark Goldbridge Idk what it is about the rest of youtube and football media that makes everyone think he is the second coming of Jesus. For me, the only person we are likely to get who i want is Howe. Keep up the good work Spencer and let's hope for a bit more success in the future.
13:16 debatable. Bellingham got a crucial goal in the group stages and saved England against slovakia again not to mention with an acrobatic goal. I’d say Bellingham was just about as good as Palmer given that Palmer assisted the Watkins goal and scored a goal as well.
I think Southgate was gonna leave anyways after Euros, thats why this time he decided this euros squad but due to his limited coaching experience before england job it was hard for him to tailor the tactics according to the personals he chose. The england looked really lost the way, the way they attacked looked like it would have worked if there was some other players instead of one playing (ehem...... Harry...Watkins). But well i really think with some club stints when he gets enough experience to adapt to players he can become a really good manager and maybe come back stronger. And i mean he is bad but he also has a lot of potential to improve.
we’re all human beings!! most fans will forget this fact. just because they making millions with frame,a name & power doesn’t mean much, putting them on the spotlight make it worse. we’re all human beings, we all struggle with stress, anxiety, and depression especially them. I feel like as loyal, strong minded, & aggressive England fans can be, which has its pros & cons, they can be too toxic, overwhelming, & judgmental. I feel like it’s a curse put on them by themselves, someday they’ll break it
It’s mad to me people seem to think all of England players under performed, saka palmer mainoo Watkins even Bellingham all really impressed me, we had an obvious problem on the left with Foden and trippier doing nothing with the ball and often losing possession when passing backwards it’s not a mystery the team played well but Kane Foden and trippier didn’t and yet Southgate was reluctant to change these positions and that’s the difference between good effort and winning he’s done a great job but we will have to go again
Here's a novel concept, perhaps Southgate could set a good example through the standards of his coaching and not by the ability to manipulate the press? See, Southgate's team can operate their way through the press.
The only current English manager that can be anywhere near the job is Eddie Howe. I believe he more tactically adept than Southgate. He’s gone a good job at Newcastle to this point but I think the main thing is we need the culture that Gareth created to continue we can’t go back to what it was like under Roy, Sven or the Wally with a Brolly!
Englishman - has to be Howe. Simply has to be. If it cant be Howe, you have to be open to other managers. I fancied Potter before, but he showed at Chelsea he doesn’t have the winning mentality England need right now. If you’re open to other managers - Klopp, Poch, Wenger, Tuchel would all be suitable appointments.all tactically sound, play modern football and have respective success in knockout tournaments. I would have actually included Jose in this list too, despite the football, because I have no doubt we win with Jose in charge. He’s in a job now though so I’m guessing that’s out of the question.
The fact that everytime he would sub in different players and the team was much better but he kept trying the same thing over and over is madness. I get that he has to manage egos and stuff, but you are the manager. It's your responsability to put the best team possible on the pitch. Basically England started every game at the 70th minute mark down a goal. Sure you can win the Euro but you can your job so much harder.
Apart from the obvious Klopp and Pep options, I personally think the best man for the job is Eddie Howe. Good having someone who’s English and knows how much it means to the whole nation and also he’s done an incredible job at Bournemouth and Newcastle (2 teams that aren’t the best)
Didn't win any trophy at Bournemouth or Newcastle, at Newcastle he also has unlimited Saudi money too and Newcastle have been poor so far compared to expectations
@@DeathTheKid4to be fair though when he joined Newcastle they were in the relegation zone. He’s built a very good foundation there, got them to a cup final and brought champions league football. He did unreal at Bournemouth taking them from league one to a respectable premier league side.
Devs for England :D It's a shame that Southgate didn't work out, but he has massively dropped a bollock. 1) Ignoring Gordon pretty much all tournament when the left wing was crying out for him 2) Saying that we miss Kalvin Philips in the middle, REALLY?? 3) playing Kane when he was clearly not fit at all, we were handicapped as a result 4) the Trent Experiment (sounds like a film!) 5) playing Foden out on the left when everyone and their mum was saying he should be playing in the 10 position 6) being reactive instead of proactive 7) leaving it too late to make subs 8) not making enough subs 9) negative tactics, the amount of times the players passed sideways or backwards and there's even more!
It doesn't matter who it is in terms of prestige as Spain's manager has proven. It's about having someone who knows how to get the best out of a group of players at his disposal, in terms of first team selection, positioning, formation, style and squad selection. This is how Gareth failed. Not having a fully fit naturally left back was crucial in terms of our initial performances, which affected fan morale, which affected player morale. Not having a natural left winger playing left wing, etc.
I agree with what you said but the main problem is the culture of football and the fundamental idea of how football should be played in this country. You go to Spain you will see kids playing football like in England but with huge differences. Over there its all about touch pass move, here its how fast can you run down the line and shoot. That is in simple terms why you see paterns of play in the Spain national team and you see no team cohesion whatsover in the England team.
It's the Ange Postecoglou vs Mourinho football styles England must decide between. Go all out playing horrible football in order to give yourself a chance to win a trophy and waste the plethora of attacking talent available, or maximize that talent and play front foot, risky football in order to entertain and hopefully dominate. Only one team wins a trophy and if you play like Southgate has you have to win it, there's nothing else to fall back on. Playing entertaining football will at least give you something to enjoy even if you don't go and win it. With the options England have in attack and in possession, they have to go for a forward thinking progressive manager next. It is also much easier to get buy in from big players when the game plan is to play attractive football. Most players don't grow up playing defensive, scared football.
Yes Southgate got us to 2 Euros finals but he’s been lucky to get to one of them Southgate is just not got the Tactical experience and ability to win things he picks the same 11 players each game without any though of fitness and style of football that needs to be played against different teams and he lacks the ability to know when to make subs and who to bring on at times he’s not been a good coach but he’s been a good person to bring people together and create a place to want to play we now need a manager that can come in and continue that feeling of wanting to play but also have the tactical ability to take this squad to the top of their game and for me Southgate was never that man and I think this tournament showed how bad of a coach he is
Gareth took England from a place of despair to a nation that is fully competitive and serious at tournaments. He galvanised the fan base to care about the national team again. For that, he should always be respected and is without question our best manager since Alf Ramsay. However, he clearly reached his limit. His decision to resign is the right one. Now we need to go and get a proven winner in charge to maximise this squad's performance levels. No more projects, yes men or easy options. Gareth has paved the way for somebody to come in and get the job done. Somebody like a Jurgen Klopp for instance
I wouldn't say Pickford has come out with a higher value than what he went in with, he's shown again that he's very consistent on the international stage at shot stopping but his distribution across the tournament was very poor and against Spain it was terrible, constant long ball distribution even after it was clear we were giving up possession every time because of it. Our defenders would be slated for that old school English schoolboy way of playing. If we did get Pep he would drop Pickford immediately like he did Joe Hart at City purely because of his feet.
Gareth was okay but the way I look at it is. In prem terms: He is a great manager if you're looking at mid table consistency, but he isn't going to win the league. Give him the city team he finishes 4th-6th. Doesn't have that "dog" in him, for lack of a better phrase
How about Thomas Christiansen from Panama, he’s taken Panama to a copa America round of 16 with Panama, with how bad that team is is impressive, the danish manager
Southgate is the most bang average manager I’ve ever seen has one of the best squads in the world has the easiest draws to a final every year and still can’t win anything and the disrespect saying he’s better than howe is a joke the multiple promotions with Bournemouth to get them in the playoffs and taking over a Newcastle who were almost relegated to get them into the champions league vs a guy who got middlesborough and ENGLAND relegated 😂😂😂 I thought you were supposed to know a thing or two about football 😂😂😂
He’s a great man. The way he shifted the culture and stereotypes around England is phenomenal! Football director is his next best role for me, best manager for England I’ve ever seen! Unlucky not to win something but he has set the bar very high for the next manager 🫡🏴
Southgate ruined England by facing b level teams and bottling it always against the biggest teams,he was just a yes man for the fa and the players. Had he faced france,spain,Argentina in the last 16 rounds of the last 4 tournaments ,they would have lost. They never played well,the players are overrated, England have always scrapped extra time wins against teams that were lucky to get out of the group stages.
Eddie Howe is probably the best choice but I don't see him leaving Newcastle without a fight. Graham Potter has done a great job everywhere except Chelsea, but as we've seen under Pochettino very few could do much with Chelsea at the moment. I don't really want Lee Carsley, I can see why the FA are considering him but when you have a proven decent manager like Potter available without compensation I don't really see what Carsley has that he doesn't.
Southgate left for himself, the England fans and media have pushed him out. This country is embarrassing the way the loud minority turned on him after the World Cup 2022 exit and now they are the same people turning on Harry Kane. Southgate gave some of the players that represented England opportunities in international tournaments that their predecessors never got. Collectively, everyone should have treated Southgate and the team better. I have the utmost respect for the bloke and for everything he's achieved for England, in my lifetime he's the best England manager I have seen.
last time an english manager won anthign significant was Harry Redknapp in 2008 FA cup with Portmouth i looked that up earlier England have no top managers at all
I know what you mean by pep is catalunian but he does have 47 caps for Spain and id rather manage spain than england atm even though you could argue england has a better team spain just play better even with morata upfront and a 16 year old
“If I’m a chairman of a football club which I am”
Power statement right there
No way I was scrolling through the comments and soon as I read this he says the quote 😅
Not doubting that Gareth Southgate is a good man and nice person, but that doesn't mean he is a good manager, he was very limited. He had a squad full of players who play expansive and progressive, offensive minded football at their clubs and basically had them play like Stoke under Tony Pulis.
He doesn’t have a style of play which eventually caught up to him. Had about 4 different styles each game which the players clearly implemented. The likes of Foden, saka, Kane, they need a system that suits them but Southgate couldn’t provide that. He’s put us on the right track but was certainly the right time to go
The summer of 2018 was amazing and Gareth reunited our fan base after taking over after the embarrassing Iceland defeat.
but that was his limit and has was dragged through it by individual moments, a great man manager but lacking everywhere else, he would be a perfect number 2 for someone like Jose or Klopp
Thank you for the memories, the example you set and the changes you engendered Gareth. Now it's time for a new chapter. Let me know what you think of my thoughts on Gareth stepping down, who should replace him and how we ultimately judge Southgate's time as England boss.
you seriously dont think that ollie watkins increased his transfer value, he was one of our best attckers
I liked G-South. Thought he did well overall and was a decent human. My only major criticism was his inability to make effective changes at the right time at the match, but it feels like very few managers have that skill. I think England will struggle at the 2026 World Cup (with or without Southgate) as they seem to fatigue very quickly and that tournament will be played in a warm climate earlier in the afternoon.
Would love Gareth as assistant manager, in terms of professionalism, confidence and vibes he's mint, just tactically clueless
@@ihbif3f395mate he played about 30 mins. The only players who increased in value are Palmer, Mainoo, Geuhi and Pickford.I think Watkins was already worth a decent amount I reckon he’s about 50 million
Spence Great video. The last English manager to win a top flight title was Howard Wilkinson for Leeds, and it was year before Premier League.
Thanks Gareth, don’t go changing.
Don't worry he won't. He'll still be playing Kane Trippier and Walker when he's managing Azerbaijan
@@VillaBoys123 i think he meant don't go changing your decision
Personally I think Eddie Howe is the best man for the job. He has the tactical knowledge that Southgate and many English managers are lacking. Howe has also proved himself in the PL so he's exactly what I think this team need to succeed with the talent they have which Southgate evidently wasn't able to utilise properly.
I would love to have Eddie Howe with the USMNT!
Can he manage the best of the best though? Although i do agree, excluding the obvious like klopp.
@@Mussa.HIsak is an elite player and he seems to be doing pretty well with him.
He won’t join us, he’s too good and will go on for years at Newcastle
Eddie Howe needs a statue outside Dean Court first 🍒
Big Sam has the best England manager record. 100% success rate from 1 game 😂
Better than southy
Thank you Gareth, hopefully the FA hire a more attacking coach
You’re wishing. The FA are awful
Knew you’d be straight on it Spence 👍🏽 hopefully trophies in the future 🏆 up the tags
He was not unlucky to lose the 2021 final on penalties, the very early lead should have been converted into at least a two goal lead as Italy looked flustered.
Well done to Gareth for getting us to where we are now considering where we were when he took over but we need someone more aggressive in as manager to get us over the line in finals.
Gary O’Neill I think is someone who is not spoken about enough. A young manager who plays good attacking football and tactically astute. He was wrote off at Bournemouth after doing an incredible job. Then replaces lopateugi with a very depleted wolves squad and they were never in any danger of going down after being tipped to do so
Good point about how Southgate elevated lesser players and got them to believe in comparison to now. I want Tuchel personally, loved living here and perfect for knockout football.
World class opinions from a world class man! Perfect balance Spen doggy dog!
Very good points spen u said everything that I agree with. Huge respect to u
England fans: "We want an English manager who plays attacking football!" Also England fans: "Please not Lee Carsley (winner of the U21 Euro's playing extremely good football)."
Southgate definitely just got tired of all the hate and criticism 😂
Can't blame him!
Wouldnt say hate more fair and justified criticism.
completely justified criticism** no one ever criticised him for anything other than what was seen on the pitch, never said anything personal whatsoever
@@SpencerFC he's the highest paid international manager, for someone of his managerial ability and lack of winning. He should count himself lucky
@@jackhewitt600 well it’s not only fair and justified criticism lol…
I think Southgate did a good job in bringing back the positivity and hope for England but as a manager overall, i don't think he was that good. Sure he got to two finals at the Euros and the semi finals of the world cup but England had usually gotten teams below their quality and whenever they did face a team on their level, they would usually lose. He also played a very boring style of football that is just out of depth nowadays and it didn't let the team play to their full potential and was probably holding them back more. The players deserve blame too as most of them don't perform as good for their country as they do fir their team but it's also the manager's job to get thr best out of them and i feel he didn't do that. As someone who is Irish, the reason why a lot of us don't want England to win the euros or world cup is not just because we hate the national team, it's also because they've never felt like they've deserved or played well enough to get as far as they did. This was the right decision but they have to get a top quality manager if they wanna be seen as one of the best teams in the world
Think with the style of play comment, I don’t think he has a clear one. I think he lets the players almost do what they want and in the end you see multiple. Like Kane likes to drop in with someone spinning in behind and he’s done that for the last 4 years. But saka and foden are very systemated and you see them try and play like they do for city and arsenal. That’s where I think it’s gone wrong for him
I think every national team should have a manager from that country.
Good points Spencer Spanish produce much better managers the teams that are doing well right now in the prem have the Spanish managers and play the Spanish style
Greece's win in Euro 2004 was definitely entertaining Spencer, same with the football that was played.
Nah mate.
100% correct take. Done brilliant in 2018 - overperformed in fact and croatia actually had the better players. First final since 66 in 2021 - absolutely no complaints. Did well in 2022 - even outplayed France, can't fault his tactics there. However, this tournament bar Netherlands he has consistently been poor and despite our run it just felt unsustainable - at some point individual brilliance wouldn't be enough. Love him to bits but it's the perfect time for us to depart. Need someone with a bit better tactical nous to get us over the line in big games
Bang on
Gareth Southgate made me believe England can be competitive. He got the squad of premier league rivalries and egos together, and he is one of the few men in positions of power that I feel comfortable looking to as a role model through his words and actions. Tactically defensive which in this last tournament no longer makes sense with the attacking personnel we have. My GOODNESS though far and away the best England mamager of my lifetime, right time to go but didn't deserve all the utter vitriol handed out whenever we don't blow teams away 5-0 whilst playing like 90s Brazil. I hope we don't end up in the doldrums like 2000 - 2016 (remember the golden generation 😬)
Thank you Gareth ❤
The feeling I had when Palmer scored…. Unlucky. Gareth did well. Let’s hope the next manager takes us to lifting a trophy
Its the right decision for him to go. He got far in tournaments but i dont think they beat a team they didnt expect to beat in any of their runs
Germany in Erou 2021 was the only time. Even then, Germany were well past their prime
Look at what England achieved prior to Southgate and compare it with the tournaments under Southgate. He did an exceptional job
Hopefully England have a good transfer window with a new manager
Ivan Toney too? Made 2 sub appearances, scored a pen, got an assist, held the line well & hit the post
To start with you have to take into consideration that countries like Spain, Argentina, Brazil etc. have as a priority to create technically gifted players at young age and then introduce them into playing team styles. Unfortunately, England and several other countries don't have that and hype up mediocre players. I think the playing style that England has to mimic is the German which means players that know the basics very well and play hard as a team with great chemistry and pasion.
You also look at their squads they aren’t unbelievable. Ronaldinho said he wasn’t even going to support Brazil this tournament as the squads that bad. On paper, englands got arguably the best squad in Europe and it was shown by us being the favourites for the tournament. However, tactically our coaches and managers are inept
A level one coach playing with level ten players. His lack of tactical knowledge was shown in this tournament.
Southgate’s cautious, defensive ethos is completely opposite to how all these players operate for their club teams. Except probably for Pickford who has been on a team fighting relegation for the past 3-4 seasons, hence why he always wants to punt the ball as far away from his goal as possible. So he is playing to his players weaknesses rather than their strengths.
I never found Southgate to be a good manager, not for country or club. For England you always hear from english fans that he got you to finals in Euro twice and world cup to semis but ultimately from what I remember it was always along the same lines: mistakes, played worse but won, easier opponents, etc. I mean look at this tournament, Palmer clutch player, didnt start him once, last minute winner, last minute equalizer (vs Slovakia who did play well, but it should have been so much easier for England with the players they have), meanwhile look at Spain's road to the finals. All of them top teams. Yet England played arguably worse than their opponent in most matches and this has been the case previously too. Last Euros also finals, but the opponets were also easier than Italy's, except for Germany maybe, which England did win, but yet again played worse. And for the world cup 2018 not even 3rd place, again last minute clutch goal, performances mid, very mid, but for the roster that came it was pretty good as you said, which is true. However at the end of the day the perfomances were disappointing, but it was in EURO 2020 for me when it went downhill, with the subs he made in finals especially.
Southgate took England as far as he could, and he’s left the squad in a much better place than it was after Euro 2016.
All we need is that cutting-edge. Someone to come in and get the team scoring goals for fun.
But thank you, Gareth. You may not have won anything, but you came a hell of a lot closer than all the other England managers we’ve had since 1966.
Well said mate
THOMAS FRANK - has international experience, knows how to change systems when needed, and has been a top coach in england since 2016
It was only a matter of if time until he left
Every single big player in the team underperformed or wasn’t used. Starting 11 decisions were ridiculous. Squad decisions were ridiculous. Substitution timing was poor. Tactics were poor.
These players on paper are so much better than every other team in the world.
They’ve got Man City, Arsenal, and Man U players throughout the back yet wouldn’t play out from the back if their lives depended on it. On the contrary, they would play their way backwards constantly.
You did spew some facts there, unlike some other English TH-camrs.
But I would point out one thing, I don’t think it was ever about being entertaining.
It was more about how inapt this team looked with the players that are on that pitch.
Playing defensive counter attacking football is alright, if you are good at it and it works.
But it didn’t work, not having shots on target for 90+ minutes is inapt.
Keep playing under performing individuals is inapt.
Not making subs(in most matches) until it’s too late or before you go behind is inapt.
He was tactically outplayed by almost every other coach that he came up against barring a half or two.
A Bellingham wonder goal, a Saka long shot, A Watkins wonder goal, A Palmer long shot, that’s not tactics mate, that’s individual brilliance and luck.
When a shot with less than
.1 xG goes in, that literally means 9/10 times that won’t go in, that’s how luck is defined.
he hit his limit 4 years ago sadly and its cost us 2 major titles now. tactically inept, no courage and to loyal to unfit players, great man management though.
8 years ago you told me that Gareth Southgate would be another Roy Hodgson and wouldn’t inspire anybody. I think it’s safe to say that he proved you wrong on that front!
Your issue is you speak about not appreciating the tactical side as an englishman, and then when speaking about Howe & Potter, you revert back to “What have they won?”
Both of them are significant upgrades on Southgate, tactically.
Spot on about Palmer, maybe things would of been a bit different if he started. 👋
Spendog it has to be Jose, serial winner, silly amount of experience with the English game and an all round top bloke. Many will say he’s past it but at international level I’d have full confidence he’d win us a trophy. 🏆🏴🦁
He’s literally just joined fenerbache and mourinho has a great record but his style of play for a top level national team will not be good he’s got Stone Age tactics like southgate but he’d manage the players better
Jose doesn’t want to do International football and even then surely Portugal would be his first choice.
Jose might be a serial winner, but the football would be even worse than what we played at the Euros.
You might be the first person I've heard express opinions that are close to my own. I agree with pretty much all of what you said here.
It's almost like we need to have Gareth as England "Manager", but someone with some real tactical nous and a better understanding of how to just go and win games in a kind of "Head Coach" role. Southgate has been great for the overall image and setup of the national team and it's kind of a shame to lose that, but I agree that there's no way he has the experience or the ideas that are needed to become a proper force on the international scene.
The FA have boosted us since 2012 but they need to push us higher now. Its clearly not enough yet.
What’s done is done now. Love what Gareth done and do feel bad for him but ultimately we now need some who can get us over the line but also play with a bit of intent.
I think Mainoo has increased his value over the tournament. One of England's best players in the tournament but I agree. Not many set the tournament alight.
Oviedo ❌
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Cursed, mate.
don´t tell me about the first :(
@@qablo81 si, boludo. No lo dejen entrar al ingles si juegan otra final 😂
i think we only deserve a manager with a background of success if we are looking at it from a talent of squad point of view. We need someone who has experience of winning. Someone who can push us over that line that we for some reason can not cross. Us as england fans do not deserve a good manager from how we treat such brilliant managers.
I think this was a very well rounded & balanced take on the situation. Great video
I think if you look at how old the key players in the squad are, its about building, I kind of feel this was THE CHANCE to win a trophy. I expect a large drop off this world cup and maybe a few years before we land on 'The One' maybe for EURO2028.
Southgate is the highest paid international manager, for someone of his managerial ability and lack of winning. He should count himself lucky he lasted this long. His style of football is outdated and this underdog mentality with this group of players couldn't go on.
Very interesting and entertaining video as always Spence! Really like the down to earth, nothing personal, very human and unbias views which are getting rarer online nowadays.
its gotta be Klopp!
I’m very worried about what the FA are going to do now. The fact they wanted to keep him on means I have very little trust in them getting the next guy right. It’ll probably be Lee Carsley, who is a better coach than Southgate no doubt but would just be another yes man media darling. Eddie Howe would be ideal but getting him out of Newcastle seems unlikely at this point. Potter is a good modern manager but we saw at Chelsea how he copes with a job with huge expectation and pressure. The way he conducted himself in the press was so embarrassing.
For me, the best available manager right now is either Pochettino or Tuchel. Both managers have proved themselves in England, have a proven track record of developing and successfully utilising English players and are big personalities. This is especially true of Tuchel who is a master in cup competitions and really has some kind of special love for English players ever since he went Chelsea. Just look at what he did with James and Chilwell, I think he could really make Trent a machine at international level in a similar way. Not to mention Kane who in terms of goals just had his best ever season under him.
Gareth thank you for everything you've given us some of the best England moments of our lives
Now it's time for someone to give us the ultimate England moment
Let's get Klopp or Pep let's be ambitious
I'm just saying this before the video really starts, as an Irish person, promoting up the manager of the youth teams does not always go successfully, but I do think in the case of England that Lee Carsley would be a really good fit. Less name value, so less pressure on his shoulders, he knows most of the England squad very well from u21 level and he would bring a fresh approach.
I agree with the foden thing. We had the prem player of the year and the best wasn’t brought out of him which upset me because I was hoping he’d be our guy
Thanks Gareth for the memories and dedication. Should have been let go after the World Cup in my opinion as it was clear then that our football wouldn't be good enough to win a tournament. Eddie Howe would be the no1 option for me, followed by Klopp.
Crazy that Spencer's, the massive optimist, only positive of Southgate is that he's a nice guy, .
I'd be shocked to see Pep or Klopp take the England job. Has Pep said he'd never manage Spain? He has almost 50 caps for the national team.
Imagine Southgate taking on another national team and winning... I actually think SG did a great job with England under tough circumstances. Didn't play sexy football but if you look at the direction in the next 5 years you will see a more statistical approach to winning games. He made England hard to beat. He gave it a great shot and puts it into perspective knowing he's won the most knockout games as England manager.
Whoever comes in is in a tough situation and unless it's Pep or Klopp (which I think is unlikely) there will be questions surrounding the appointment. I can see us struggling in the next 2/3 tournaments unless the FA play a blinder.
I think Klopp is even more of a longshot than Pep. He is clearly burned out after Liverpool, I doubt he looks at how high pressure the England job is and decided to forego a hiatus to manage a country that he's not from.
I would like Ange tbh, I think he's got the personality to handle the pressure well and make the tactical decisions he feels is right. He's managed on the international stage before, I think he's worth a try.
Whoever the FA chooses has to be able to actually utilize all the high-end talent England has up the pitch. Southgate got results, but it was always by trying to win 1-0 by locking down and depending on a Kane or a Belkinghamnor a Saka (or in Sunday's case Cole Palmer) to have a moment of individual brilliance.
But England's strength is in all of their creative, fluid attacking and midfield talent. This is a team that's built to win shootouts, not stalemates.
Mainstream media protected Southgate. Anyone who understands ball knew that he was never going to win a trophy with England. This a man who got relegated with a fairly decent Middlesbrough side which tells you everything about his skills (or lack of), the only person I've seen nail his time with England perfectly is Mark Goldbridge Idk what it is about the rest of youtube and football media that makes everyone think he is the second coming of Jesus. For me, the only person we are likely to get who i want is Howe. Keep up the good work Spencer and let's hope for a bit more success in the future.
Also, Howe took Bornmouth from non-league to Premier League. How can you say he hasn't achieved much???
@@AmyRose91 League Two*. Also with heavy financial backing and breaking rules.
13:16 debatable. Bellingham got a crucial goal in the group stages and saved England against slovakia again not to mention with an acrobatic goal. I’d say Bellingham was just about as good as Palmer given that Palmer assisted the Watkins goal and scored a goal as well.
I think Southgate was gonna leave anyways after Euros, thats why this time he decided this euros squad but due to his limited coaching experience before england job it was hard for him to tailor the tactics according to the personals he chose. The england looked really lost the way, the way they attacked looked like it would have worked if there was some other players instead of one playing (ehem...... Harry...Watkins). But well i really think with some club stints when he gets enough experience to adapt to players he can become a really good manager and maybe come back stronger. And i mean he is bad but he also has a lot of potential to improve.
we’re all human beings!! most fans will forget this fact. just because they making millions with frame,a name & power doesn’t mean much, putting them on the spotlight make it worse. we’re all human beings, we all struggle with stress, anxiety, and depression especially them. I feel like as loyal, strong minded, & aggressive England fans can be, which has its pros & cons, they can be too toxic, overwhelming, & judgmental. I feel like it’s a curse put on them by themselves, someday they’ll break it
coming from an Arsenal & epl fan & a Mexican American
“Alright mate” honestly is too Iconic
It’s mad to me people seem to think all of England players under performed, saka palmer mainoo Watkins even Bellingham all really impressed me, we had an obvious problem on the left with Foden and trippier doing nothing with the ball and often losing possession when passing backwards it’s not a mystery the team played well but Kane Foden and trippier didn’t and yet Southgate was reluctant to change these positions and that’s the difference between good effort and winning he’s done a great job but we will have to go again
Here's a novel concept, perhaps Southgate could set a good example through the standards of his coaching and not by the ability to manipulate the press? See, Southgate's team can operate their way through the press.
The only current English manager that can be anywhere near the job is Eddie Howe. I believe he more tactically adept than Southgate. He’s gone a good job at Newcastle to this point but I think the main thing is we need the culture that Gareth created to continue we can’t go back to what it was like under Roy, Sven or the Wally with a Brolly!
Englishman - has to be Howe. Simply has to be. If it cant be Howe, you have to be open to other managers. I fancied Potter before, but he showed at Chelsea he doesn’t have the winning mentality England need right now.
If you’re open to other managers - Klopp, Poch, Wenger, Tuchel would all be suitable appointments.all tactically sound, play modern football and have respective success in knockout tournaments.
I would have actually included Jose in this list too, despite the football, because I have no doubt we win with Jose in charge. He’s in a job now though so I’m guessing that’s out of the question.
The fact that everytime he would sub in different players and the team was much better but he kept trying the same thing over and over is madness. I get that he has to manage egos and stuff, but you are the manager. It's your responsability to put the best team possible on the pitch. Basically England started every game at the 70th minute mark down a goal. Sure you can win the Euro but you can your job so much harder.
Can’t believe people would rather play “beautiful” and lose instead of win by any means necessary
Graham potter incoming!!!!!
Apart from the obvious Klopp and Pep options, I personally think the best man for the job is Eddie Howe. Good having someone who’s English and knows how much it means to the whole nation and also he’s done an incredible job at Bournemouth and Newcastle (2 teams that aren’t the best)
Didn't win any trophy at Bournemouth or Newcastle, at Newcastle he also has unlimited Saudi money too and Newcastle have been poor so far compared to expectations
@@DeathTheKid4to be fair though when he joined Newcastle they were in the relegation zone. He’s built a very good foundation there, got them to a cup final and brought champions league football. He did unreal at Bournemouth taking them from league one to a respectable premier league side.
Devs for England :D
It's a shame that Southgate didn't work out, but he has massively dropped a bollock.
1) Ignoring Gordon pretty much all tournament when the left wing was crying out for him
2) Saying that we miss Kalvin Philips in the middle, REALLY??
3) playing Kane when he was clearly not fit at all, we were handicapped as a result
4) the Trent Experiment (sounds like a film!)
5) playing Foden out on the left when everyone and their mum was saying he should be playing in the 10 position
6) being reactive instead of proactive
7) leaving it too late to make subs
8) not making enough subs
9) negative tactics, the amount of times the players passed sideways or backwards
and there's even more!
It doesn't matter who it is in terms of prestige as Spain's manager has proven. It's about having someone who knows how to get the best out of a group of players at his disposal, in terms of first team selection, positioning, formation, style and squad selection. This is how Gareth failed. Not having a fully fit naturally left back was crucial in terms of our initial performances, which affected fan morale, which affected player morale. Not having a natural left winger playing left wing, etc.
Great video Spence completely agree with all your points Southgate brought so much promise in a very toxic environment
I agree with what you said but the main problem is the culture of football and the fundamental idea of how football should be played in this country. You go to Spain you will see kids playing football like in England but with huge differences. Over there its all about touch pass move, here its how fast can you run down the line and shoot. That is in simple terms why you see paterns of play in the Spain national team and you see no team cohesion whatsover in the England team.
Spence talking about SG not having ego when you have a manager who refused to make obvious changes just to prove his non working "system"..lol
It’s not ego, it’s ineptitude
It was more cowardice probably
It's the Ange Postecoglou vs Mourinho football styles England must decide between. Go all out playing horrible football in order to give yourself a chance to win a trophy and waste the plethora of attacking talent available, or maximize that talent and play front foot, risky football in order to entertain and hopefully dominate. Only one team wins a trophy and if you play like Southgate has you have to win it, there's nothing else to fall back on. Playing entertaining football will at least give you something to enjoy even if you don't go and win it. With the options England have in attack and in possession, they have to go for a forward thinking progressive manager next. It is also much easier to get buy in from big players when the game plan is to play attractive football. Most players don't grow up playing defensive, scared football.
Yes Southgate got us to 2 Euros finals but he’s been lucky to get to one of them Southgate is just not got the Tactical experience and ability to win things he picks the same 11 players each game without any though of fitness and style of football that needs to be played against different teams and he lacks the ability to know when to make subs and who to bring on at times he’s not been a good coach but he’s been a good person to bring people together and create a place to want to play we now need a manager that can come in and continue that feeling of wanting to play but also have the tactical ability to take this squad to the top of their game and for me Southgate was never that man and I think this tournament showed how bad of a coach he is
Gareth took England from a place of despair to a nation that is fully competitive and serious at tournaments. He galvanised the fan base to care about the national team again. For that, he should always be respected and is without question our best manager since Alf Ramsay. However, he clearly reached his limit. His decision to resign is the right one. Now we need to go and get a proven winner in charge to maximise this squad's performance levels. No more projects, yes men or easy options. Gareth has paved the way for somebody to come in and get the job done. Somebody like a Jurgen Klopp for instance
I wouldn't say Pickford has come out with a higher value than what he went in with, he's shown again that he's very consistent on the international stage at shot stopping but his distribution across the tournament was very poor and against Spain it was terrible, constant long ball distribution even after it was clear we were giving up possession every time because of it. Our defenders would be slated for that old school English schoolboy way of playing. If we did get Pep he would drop Pickford immediately like he did Joe Hart at City purely because of his feet.
Gregg Berhalter is available.
Gareth was okay but the way I look at it is.
In prem terms: He is a great manager if you're looking at mid table consistency, but he isn't going to win the league.
Give him the city team he finishes 4th-6th.
Doesn't have that "dog" in him, for lack of a better phrase
That final against Italt will haunt him. That Italy team wasn't amazing or near the level of Spain this tournament.
Just bottled it after going 1-0 up
How about Thomas Christiansen from Panama, he’s taken Panama to a copa America round of 16 with Panama, with how bad that team is is impressive, the danish manager
Southgate is the most bang average manager I’ve ever seen has one of the best squads in the world has the easiest draws to a final every year and still can’t win anything and the disrespect saying he’s better than howe is a joke the multiple promotions with Bournemouth to get them in the playoffs and taking over a Newcastle who were almost relegated to get them into the champions league vs a guy who got middlesborough and ENGLAND relegated 😂😂😂 I thought you were supposed to know a thing or two about football 😂😂😂
He’s a great man. The way he shifted the culture and stereotypes around England is phenomenal! Football director is his next best role for me, best manager for England I’ve ever seen! Unlucky not to win something but he has set the bar very high for the next manager 🫡🏴
The most likely is Eddie howe I think because realistically klopp and pep are never going near the England job
I really hope it's Eddie Howe, and I'm a Newcastle fan 🏴 🙏
I wonder if Southgate would do well as USMNT manager.
Southgate ruined England by facing b level teams and bottling it always against the biggest teams,he was just a yes man for the fa and the players. Had he faced france,spain,Argentina in the last 16 rounds of the last 4 tournaments ,they would have lost. They never played well,the players are overrated, England have always scrapped extra time wins against teams that were lucky to get out of the group stages.
we havent produced a midfielder who can play passes forward between the lines from a number 6/8 position ... we need one badly
Mainoo and Wharton will do that for us mate in the coming years. Trust me
Eddie Howe is probably the best choice but I don't see him leaving Newcastle without a fight.
Graham Potter has done a great job everywhere except Chelsea, but as we've seen under Pochettino very few could do much with Chelsea at the moment.
I don't really want Lee Carsley, I can see why the FA are considering him but when you have a proven decent manager like Potter available without compensation I don't really see what Carsley has that he doesn't.
All right mate 😂😂😂
Southgate left for himself, the England fans and media have pushed him out. This country is embarrassing the way the loud minority turned on him after the World Cup 2022 exit and now they are the same people turning on Harry Kane. Southgate gave some of the players that represented England opportunities in international tournaments that their predecessors never got. Collectively, everyone should have treated Southgate and the team better. I have the utmost respect for the bloke and for everything he's achieved for England, in my lifetime he's the best England manager I have seen.
last time an english manager won anthign significant was Harry Redknapp in 2008 FA cup with Portmouth i looked that up earlier England have no top managers at all
I know what you mean by pep is catalunian but he does have 47 caps for Spain and id rather manage spain than england atm even though you could argue england has a better team spain just play better even with morata upfront and a 16 year old