@@BurningRubber454 Yeah but then the movie is ACTUALLY good and they still whine about the woman being the main lead like it's the coolest thing ever when newsflash, it isn't. I sincerely bet you claim to support female leads just because you like Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor. Yeah REAL paragon of virtue that last one.
Guys whether meninists started as a joke or not the fact is there are many men identifying as REAL meninists and spewing hate at women. I've had the bad luck of running into a few in the past, they exist. It might have begun as a simple joke but that doesn't mean others haven't taken the concept and run with it.
Look at the hate reviews of any feminist movie, they rarely focus on any actually movie flaws and just whine about the message. I've watched Captain Marvel, Birds of Prey, Charlie's Angel's 2019, and Enola Holmes and I still have my dick.
Does anyone remember that controversial Gillette ad a couple months ago? Well I found it on TH-cam and the comment section was just FILLED with angry guys saying stuff like how they won’t buy Gillette anymore and acting very hurt, I leave devil boners comment of “if you’re complaining about how someone is stealing your manhood, chances are you never had it to begin with” about 5-10 seconds later I start getting bombarded with insults from two schmucks, but I was confused, I was expecting insults from adults, not five year olds. I had a lip sync video I had made with a friend about 6-7 years ago for a final class project where I’m on camera and they see it and start insulting me for my weight (and yes I was and still am somewhat heavy), not even trying to counter my statement, but full on fat jokes, and I’m sitting there like “huh? Is this supposed to be hurtful, seriously grade schoolers could come up with better material than these two chuckle heads” because they really couldn’t have come up with anything better but fat jokes it that text where it AlTeRnAtEs CaPs like somehow that will make a weak insult more damaging, I was half tempted to get one of my friends to come on to show them how to burn someone but I blocked the video and muted their responses, the next day “they” cause I’m not even sure they were two people cause the wording of the insults were so similar that I swear it was just one guy, were on my video doing the same thing, as I didn’t want to deal with them I deleted the video (no real loss, I had completely forgotten about it) and blocked them from commenting on any future videos
Wow...just wow. What is it, like 3 years and people are still finding this clip and praising it. Love ya guys, really. It is amazing how relevant this clip from Nostalgia Critics review STILL is even to this day.
+Anthony Seyffer The whole point of "menemism" is that it satirizes (albeit in an unfunny incarnation) third wave feminism and much of what people find unappealing about it. In theory (read: I HOPE TO CHRIST THIS IS TRUE) people are not supposed to take these complaints seriously. No, there is nothing wrong about a woman (in this case Furiosa and Immortan Joe's harem) taking a lead role and kicking ass as opposed to exhibiting passivity, cowering in the face of danger, and needing a man (Mad Max) to kick ass on their behalf. What menimists are allegedly "satirizing" in the instance of Fury Road is feminism's complaint of a lack of strong female roles in media/society. I hope this helps. And no. I am neither a menimist or a sympathizer. Personally, I had no issue with Fury Road (in fact this film is one of my personal favorites) and in no way felt that it somehow challenged/waged war against my manhood.
+Anthony Seyffer The meninists in this review are a parody of Mens Rights Activist's and their supposed "boycott" of Fury Road (which is the story the feminist media was painting it as at the time), in which a site named Return of Kings complained about the female character taking centre stage. And this is why Doug should have researched this before hand, and why this review falls apart: 1. As Christ Topher has pointed out, meninism is a satire of modern third wave radical feminism (i.e people and events like Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn etc), and is in NO way connected to MRA's 2. Return of Kings, the site that called for the boycott WERE NOT MRA's, they were Pick Up Artists (i.e people like Roosh V and Elliot Rodger), they even stated on their websites that they are not MRA's, and that they are anti-MRA, since they consider them as whining victims. and since the Nostalgia Critic reviews come out every fortnight now ever since the revival, Doug couldn't even do 5-10 minutes of research before making this? All he had to do was go the ROK, or watch videos by MundaneMatt, Bane666au and/or Sargon of Akkad, and go to the Meninist twitter account and read their description, its not rocket science. Although if he had done the research, the review would have still been the same, but just replace Meninists with Pick Up Artists (or maybe have a parody of Roosh "legalise rape" V) and worded slightly differently. Anyway I hope this helped
Honestly, it's not doug's fault. Society is just so used to being force-fed the idea that MRAs, PUAs, MGTOW and Menimists are all one bitter cesspool of misogyny. It's easy to do so because differentiating them would mean taking their criticisms of feminism seriously. And we can't have that, can we?
no we can't, we can't just say PUAs are misogynistic dickweeds (especially since one wanted to loosen rape laws, and another one who committed a mass shooting wanting to murder women due to relationship problems), no, we gotta lump them all in with a satire twitter account, a movement that tries to bring awareness about mens issues, while being shat on by the rad fem media, and a group of men who are in between. Kind of a sad news society if you think about it. But seriously, after saying all of that, I can honestly agree with you on how Doug is at no fault.
It's a galaxy far far away with trillions upon trillions of life forms. If the world can handle A black baron administrator turned General in the originals and Samuel L Jackson as Yoda's number two. Then I think will be fine on this one.
+GoodMachines yeah i suppose it has to be. I mean either that or some of those people are pissed that I took this from the Nostalgia Critics video despite the fact that I credit him in the description and make sure I don't profit from these highlight videos seeing as I am not the original creator and just cut the footage from the original sources video. honestly, your explanation makes more sense. And I am honestly not kidding about that.
+dragon1130 So I did some research (and by that I just looked it up on google) and apparently Meninsts are indeed a real thing and it was meant to be either a satire of Feminists, or the representation that men and women should be equal in all countries and tend to focus more on third world countries than a first world country where, by law, all genders are equal. Either way feminists apparently get pissy about this which either, A) proves the point of the satire, or B) really baffles me because of what feminism is supposed to represent (Equality for men and Women), and I would assume that feminists would want equality in all parts of the world and not just where they live. I don't think either one was what Doug walker was referencing in the original video and I think it was supposed to be a parody/satire of the Men only club culture and he just needed a clever name. That's just my two cents though. either way it could also explain the dislikes so in addition to some of the butt hurt men, trolls, and feminist; it could also be some REAL Meninists who took this as a direct assault on them and there cause. Of course the fifth reason I could think of is people are but hurt that I made the video to begin with, thus "stealing" the attention away from nostalgia critic which, isn't the point of the video. The point was to bring attention to the particular scene as it struck a special cord with me and is one of my favorite speeches in the whole review. I mean aside from "Sugared and Glazed", and "grossly inadequate for the task at hand", this is one of the major highlights of the review.
The unfortunate truth is that this is the only way to get the people opposing you to listen to your side. Sure, most of them will not get the message that this is what the world sees you as, but, hopefully some of them will. Unfortunately having a civil debate publicly on the Internet is impossible without it devolving into an explosive pool of vitriol and bile.
Well yeah of course. There are extremes on both sides of any debate and they end up sounding the same. Just switch opinions. Extremists act the same no matter what side of the debate and they always make their side look bad.
Devil Boner just dissed the losers. Now they won't be in any other review. Hurray, thank you Devil Boner! You were right, you are the badass hero here to save the day
@@dexxfilm I don't choose to ignore anything. I get it. The dialogue, the messy plot, how elements from the original series is distorted. My thing is that why is it a problem now, when this shit has been going on for years.
@@TC-tl8ie Where have you been? People have been shitting on the prequels for years but when it's a woman lead all of a sudden there is a toxic fanbase of sexists (according to self important industry shills and fedora tipping weirdos)
@@dexxfilm Racists, sexists, and the like can all go to hell. The characters in the new films are just as badly written. My thing is people cherry picking arguments.
Little fact about myself, I'm NOT a fan of the Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. I find it to be a poorly written story that depends more on nostalgia and twists for the sake of a twist than what works for the narrative, and I feel that Rey is a rather weak character. You want to know who's may all time favorite character in Star Wars? Mara Jade. Nothing amuses me more when idiot meninist find my articles about why I dislike the Star Wars Disney Era only to find that they are just opinionated pieces that give the films credit where credit is due, condemns cast and crew bashing, (seriously insulting and harassing George Lucas and Kelly Marie Tran is NOT cool), and have layers upon layers of pro-feminism/pro-equality writing. And they get even more annoyed when I don't give my gender because they just can't give a proper insult to someone if they don't know their gender. XD Meninist exist, sadly, but they're really easy to out think as 11 times out of 10, they're all morons who have no idea how to handle someone who actually has a brain.
I do not know who Mara Jade is aside from she was in Star Kids Ani: a parody (which I recommend if you haven't seen it, pretty homage to star wars). As for Star wars, I like the new movies. I think the older ones (episode 4, 5, and 6) are better, and, the prequels are far FAR worse, but I do agree Rey is a rather weak character. As for meninists, part of the reason they are so easy to argue against is because they are hard headed ignorant bigots (kinda the same reason it's easy to argue against flat feathers and conspiracy theorists to be honest. What saddens me is that these people are so hard headed that it is almost impossible to actually argue with them because they will just invent new reasons, won't listen, or just flat out ignore facts.
To give you an idea of who Mara Jade is, imagine if Indiana Jones was a former Assassin instead of an archeologist. She is THE Queen of Snark, is arguably one of the least skilled fighters/force-users in the series and has the Worst Luck possible. And she's a TOTAL Bad Ass. She's the one who defeated one of the most powerful Dark Jedi in the franchises history, matched wits with the Thrawn and his successors, and has gotten out of some Really bad situations by the skin of her teeth just through sheer force of will. I love Mara for the same reason I love Indy, they're awesome despite of, or even because of, how much they screw up. It also helps that Mara has a character arc that is NOT about supporting the men in the story. Luke, Thrawn and Karrde ARE influenced by Mara but HER journey is NOT about them, rather they are part of her journey. Mara actually has a lot in common with Rey, (possibly even more then everyone is aware of if the Leak is true) as both are the overall protagonist of their respective trilogies, they both have a mysterious past and both are skilled Force Users. However, for me, Mara zigs EVERYWHERE Rey zags. Without going to far into spoilers/possible spoilers, the mystery behind Mara is resolved at the end Heir to the Empire whereas Rey's mystery isn't resolved until E9, possibly. Mara's skills in the Force are given an explanation in Heir, whereas Rey's skills are ONLY explained in the tie-ins. And Mara is an active protagonist who's role goes beyond her relationship with Luke and others while Rey is more passive who spends most of her time trying to better Luke and Kylo while hardly, if ever, talking about herself. Honestly, check out The Thrawn Trilogy, it's a great read and that's coming from someone who has to deal with a rather annoying dyslexia. Every issue I have with the Disney Sequel Trilogy ISN'T present in TTT. The plots are more original, the villains are intimidating AND intriguing, everyone is highly competent, and the heroes all have such engaging character arcs. More power to you for liking the Disney Sequel Trilogy but I honestly just think that TTT is a better written story. One that's influence over the series is STILL being felt to this day.
At the time he made this I don't think he knew that meninism was a thing. He just made it up as a joke towards the types of people who act like real meninists, but without any sense of irony. you know, those people we see in youtube comments everyday that make you loose hope in humanity when you find out they aren't ten year old little brats, but instead grown up adults who should know better than to say these sort of things in public. The same types of people who complain about the new ghostbusters cast being all women.
Yeah, Ghostbusters may not the best example, but the point is, these are the same people who sit here and claim its going to be bad souly on the fact that they are women actors replacing men. Even if the Ghostbusters remake was good (or even looked good) these people would still complain.
Come on man. First it is a joke, sooner or later it becomes a cult. Like the fucking Flying Spaghetti Monster or Scientology. Or No Ma'am :D. The phrase "this is why we can't have nice things" does not comes out of nowhere.
Unfortunately, this is a true fact. These things that are meant just a joke become so big that they are treated as a real thing by people whose....well lets just say there average intelligence is equal to that of a tree frog. Unfortunately, those people don't know it's a joke...or they do in which case it becomes even sadder at that point.
+TheMovieDoctorful Well here and the Hocus Pocus vid, he did make fun of it at least. Besides, MM: FR was still playing in cinemas when that vid was uploaded.
There's an argument about whether the next Zelda game should even have the option to choose between a male or female main character. A majority of the vocal community says no. I on the other hand like to refer them to this video.
to be honest, I think it has more to do with Link already having a gender. Its like saying the next metroid you get to choose Samus's gender. it has less to do with gender politics and more along the li es of changing a pre established character. It just feels weird for some reason. I for one would welcome the option to play as a female in Zelda, though hiw about this. Instead of choosing Links gender...why not let you play as Zelda or Link? I wonder how people wkuld feel about that? Also, apologies if anythinvs hard to read or mispelled. im typing. this on my phone and my gif is it hard to get everything right even with auto fill.
+Renaldo 'K95' Moon We have a male Lara croft... he's called Nathon Drake. We have a male Samus, he's called Master chief...we have a...well, no we don't have a male Bayonetta, though now that thought is both terrifying and awesome at the same time. I know thats not exactly what you meant...ehh I just wanted to make that joke. But regardless, while It would be easy to give samus a male character model, the problem is, that all of Samus's games star....well, Samus. From start to finish its the same character. same with the other games you mentioned. tomb raider stars the same Lara Croft. Bayonetta 1 and 2 both star the same bayonetta. It's been established that Link, in Zelda, is different form Ocarina of time Link,Twilight princess Link, Skyward Sword Link, and so on. This is why it makes more sense to gender bend Link than the three you mentioned. Because the lore of the Zelda games is the way it is, it allows for a few games to have a different Link. Hell, the legends within the game only ever refer to "The Hero" and rarely, if ever, give them a gender. It's gonna be hard to find a female equivalent that you'd want to gender bend because, most games, the story is a continuation of the heroes exploits. The same hero, different adventure. Like I said, instead of wasting time gender bending a character, the best thing to do would be introduce a new character. I mean god knows Nintendo will Never use Linkle outside of the Hyrule warriors franchise but, wouldn't it be cool to have the option to play as her or Link in the next Zelda game?
Thats the reason why Link makes sense to Gender bend in a game. since it's a different Link in almost every game, Why not make one where the reincarnated hero is, instead of a man/boy, make them a woman/girl. Or they could pull a windwaker and make the female hero, not the chosen one, and instead has to go through the process of inheriting the Chosen ones power (AKA the Triforce of Courage). You could keep the name Link (or Linka, or Linkle or whatever you prefer for your feminine pronoun.) and just not mention the original hero's name (again, Ala Windwaker.)
I don't know if "Meninists" were ever a thing, I don't know if they were real but stupid, awkward people will always exist and hopefully videos like these can show the total fallacy in their thinking.
God this speech is so much more important right now. There are guys put there that would probably call Kratos from God of War a pussy because in the new games he isn't constantly screaming anymore.
I don't know what that is, but it sounds like a Sonic the hedgehog fan group (probably Sonic/Amy shippers) so...they already confuse and frighten me in ways that no other fanbase can.
+BirdInerd But without the vids i will not argue with that. At least the force awakens made their own characters, the ghostbusters reboot felt like a gender swapt
It was supposed to be a satire of the Feminist movement. Nostalgia critic made up the term for his video without knowing it was an actual thing until after the fact. In a weird, round about way, his satire is the satire, on the satire...I think...
You don't win cars on Jeopardy you moron, you win cars on The Price is Right. Get your hosts right before you try to burn people with game show jokes. What you additionally fail to recognize is that the satirical nature of "meninism" has basically run afoul of Poe's Law. In attempting to be satirical it operates as a more covert form of mysogeny--ie. by implying that feminist issues are a joke and should not be taken seriously. It is impossible to tell the difference between someone who THINKS they are being edgey and satirical by mocking the straw men they construct as representations of feminism (which are in fact a small minority of feminists) and those who are using it as a cover for their contempt. Between someone who thinks it is a joke and is therefore unaware of what the movements contributors are actually saying, someone who misses what is supposed to be a joke and thinks it is what it appears to be on the surface, and, indeed, a Poe. That is, between an idiot, an asshole, and a troll.
Someone call George Miller. He needs to put Devil Boner in the next mad max movie.
I would pay to see devil boner the movie
love him or hate him, he’s spitting straight facts
To a group of straw man meninsts
Who doesn’t Love Devil Boner?
I'm glad Doug sticks up for women in this scene. I really like his reviews and his funny sketches.
Jagyson Hope believe me there are those people
Jagyson his sketchs are hilarious
Oh, the irony...
@@Jarroma it does
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon it’s exactly the same
Devil Boner is officially my favourite character out of all the nostalgia critic reviews, hands down.
Same here
"are yu single?" "I can be" lmao that line always kills me
I think this one of the best rants for anyone who hates on either gender. Man or Woman. Especially 0:55 thru 0:58.
With every passing year since this review came out, and now that the Furiosa movie is coming soon, this is even more relevant than ever.
Are you single?
I can be.
thats definitky one of my favorite lines from this skit.
“What are you 5?! Are you afraid you’re gonna get cooties?!”
That’s my reaction whenever the internet hates on female led action movies
Yeah because let’s just hand wave any argument about the movie
@@BurningRubber454 Yeah but then the movie is ACTUALLY good and they still whine about the woman being the main lead like it's the coolest thing ever when newsflash, it isn't. I sincerely bet you claim to support female leads just because you like Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor. Yeah REAL paragon of virtue that last one.
@@williambeck2372 yeah nobody was saying that
PREACH. I TELL THAT TO GUYS ALL THE TIME.
true men don't need to defend their manhood
Dex Starr i dont defend my womanhood. Cuz im already a lady, no matter what i do
Dex Starr and if you want to kill me, come at me troll. 😂 i am not afraid.
Being a man or a woman is much more than stereotypes.
@@xxxdumbwordstupidnumberxxx4844 FAIL!
Guys whether meninists started as a joke or not the fact is there are many men identifying as REAL meninists and spewing hate at women. I've had the bad luck of running into a few in the past, they exist. It might have begun as a simple joke but that doesn't mean others haven't taken the concept and run with it.
Look at the hate reviews of any feminist movie, they rarely focus on any actually movie flaws and just whine about the message. I've watched Captain Marvel, Birds of Prey, Charlie's Angel's 2019, and Enola Holmes and I still have my dick.
Doug Walker is the best example of one
@@WannabeWryter ...have you considered watching good movies?
used in a straw man of the mens rights movement
To dismiss any arguments
He's child friendly, you know.
+rozz6398 And snuggly and soft.
+Ricardo Quezada His mother never loved him though.
+William Beck Put him on a cereal box!
More reason that-DEVIIIIL BONEEEER!!!!-is my hero.
Nerdrotic and Games and Geeks and any toxic anti SJW and toxic sexist people in a nutshell
Classic no Scotsman argument
Does anyone remember that controversial Gillette ad a couple months ago? Well I found it on TH-cam and the comment section was just FILLED with angry guys saying stuff like how they won’t buy Gillette anymore and acting very hurt, I leave devil boners comment of “if you’re complaining about how someone is stealing your manhood, chances are you never had it to begin with” about 5-10 seconds later I start getting bombarded with insults from two schmucks, but I was confused, I was expecting insults from adults, not five year olds.
I had a lip sync video I had made with a friend about 6-7 years ago for a final class project where I’m on camera and they see it and start insulting me for my weight (and yes I was and still am somewhat heavy), not even trying to counter my statement, but full on fat jokes, and I’m sitting there like “huh? Is this supposed to be hurtful, seriously grade schoolers could come up with better material than these two chuckle heads” because they really couldn’t have come up with anything better but fat jokes it that text where it AlTeRnAtEs CaPs like somehow that will make a weak insult more damaging, I was half tempted to get one of my friends to come on to show them how to burn someone but I blocked the video and muted their responses, the next day “they” cause I’m not even sure they were two people cause the wording of the insults were so similar that I swear it was just one guy, were on my video doing the same thing, as I didn’t want to deal with them I deleted the video (no real loss, I had completely forgotten about it) and blocked them from commenting on any future videos
Wow...just wow. What is it, like 3 years and people are still finding this clip and praising it. Love ya guys, really.
It is amazing how relevant this clip from Nostalgia Critics review STILL is even to this day.
You know, as great as the speech is, I'm also having fun watching Tamera's reactions behind him. It's equally as entertaining.
Kamechan98
Are you single?
I can be.
Said to group that’s a straw man or a moment
Why is it such a big deal for a movie to have a strong female character,like it's never happened before?
+Anthony Seyffer The whole point of "menemism" is that it satirizes (albeit in an unfunny incarnation) third wave feminism and much of what people find unappealing about it. In theory (read: I HOPE TO CHRIST THIS IS TRUE) people are not supposed to take these complaints seriously. No, there is nothing wrong about a woman (in this case Furiosa and Immortan Joe's harem) taking a lead role and kicking ass as opposed to exhibiting passivity, cowering in the face of danger, and needing a man (Mad Max) to kick ass on their behalf. What menimists are allegedly "satirizing" in the instance of Fury Road is feminism's complaint of a lack of strong female roles in media/society.
I hope this helps.
And no. I am neither a menimist or a sympathizer. Personally, I had no issue with Fury Road (in fact this film is one of my personal favorites) and in no way felt that it somehow challenged/waged war against my manhood.
+Anthony Seyffer The meninists in this review are a parody of Mens Rights Activist's and their supposed "boycott" of Fury Road (which is the story the feminist media was painting it as at the time), in which a site named Return of Kings complained about the female character taking centre stage. And this is why Doug should have researched this before hand, and why this review falls apart:
1. As Christ Topher has pointed out, meninism is a satire of modern third wave radical feminism (i.e people and events like Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn etc), and is in NO way connected to MRA's
2. Return of Kings, the site that called for the boycott WERE NOT MRA's, they were Pick Up Artists (i.e people like Roosh V and Elliot Rodger), they even stated on their websites that they are not MRA's, and that they are anti-MRA, since they consider them as whining victims.
and since the Nostalgia Critic reviews come out every fortnight now ever since the revival, Doug couldn't even do 5-10 minutes of research before making this? All he had to do was go the ROK, or watch videos by MundaneMatt, Bane666au and/or Sargon of Akkad, and go to the Meninist twitter account and read their description, its not rocket science. Although if he had done the research, the review would have still been the same, but just replace Meninists with Pick Up Artists (or maybe have a parody of Roosh "legalise rape" V) and worded slightly differently.
Anyway I hope this helped
Honestly, it's not doug's fault. Society is just so used to being force-fed the idea that MRAs, PUAs, MGTOW and Menimists are all one bitter cesspool of misogyny. It's easy to do so because differentiating them would mean taking their criticisms of feminism seriously. And we can't have that, can we?
no we can't, we can't just say PUAs are misogynistic dickweeds (especially since one wanted to loosen rape laws, and another one who committed a mass shooting wanting to murder women due to relationship problems), no, we gotta lump them all in with a satire twitter account, a movement that tries to bring awareness about mens issues, while being shat on by the rad fem media, and a group of men who are in between. Kind of a sad news society if you think about it. But seriously, after saying all of that, I can honestly agree with you on how Doug is at no fault.
+Chris Topher Except when it involves SJWs then it's a big problem.
This message should also work for people who wants to bash Star Wars TFA and Rogue One teaser trailer simply because of female protagonist.
+Nocturus 6 movies and 2 shows with a male lead, everythings is fine. 2 films with one female lead, everybody looses their mind
Too bad Episode 7 sucked. Although it had nothing to do with the lead character.
Filip Nässén well guess what? We don't care
Well guess back? It's a comment section. Deal with it.
It's a galaxy far far away with trillions upon trillions of life forms. If the world can handle A black baron administrator turned General in the originals and Samuel L Jackson as Yoda's number two. Then I think will be fine on this one.
Someone needs to use this speech
17 meninists instantly took offense to the speech, and downvoted the video.
Seriously, it's only explanation.
+GoodMachines yeah i suppose it has to be. I mean either that or some of those people are pissed that I took this from the Nostalgia Critics video despite the fact that I credit him in the description and make sure I don't profit from these highlight videos seeing as I am not the original creator and just cut the footage from the original sources video.
honestly, your explanation makes more sense. And I am honestly not kidding about that.
+dragon1130 Thanks.
Also, 2 more meninists have joined the others, tallying up the down-vote number to 19...
+GoodMachines Make that 23.
+dragon1130 So I did some research (and by that I just looked it up on google) and apparently Meninsts are indeed a real thing and it was meant to be either a satire of Feminists, or the representation that men and women should be equal in all countries and tend to focus more on third world countries than a first world country where, by law, all genders are equal. Either way feminists apparently get pissy about this which either, A) proves the point of the satire, or B) really baffles me because of what feminism is supposed to represent (Equality for men and Women), and I would assume that feminists would want equality in all parts of the world and not just where they live.
I don't think either one was what Doug walker was referencing in the original video and I think it was supposed to be a parody/satire of the Men only club culture and he just needed a clever name. That's just my two cents though.
either way it could also explain the dislikes so in addition to some of the butt hurt men, trolls, and feminist; it could also be some REAL Meninists who took this as a direct assault on them and there cause.
Of course the fifth reason I could think of is people are but hurt that I made the video to begin with, thus "stealing" the attention away from nostalgia critic which, isn't the point of the video. The point was to bring attention to the particular scene as it struck a special cord with me and is one of my favorite speeches in the whole review. I mean aside from "Sugared and Glazed", and "grossly inadequate for the task at hand", this is one of the major highlights of the review.
+dragon1130 Either way you slice it, it feels like the extremists from both groups could learn a thing or two about each other.
It's really easy to seem like the smartest person in the room if the person opposing you is a caricature.
Yeah.
The unfortunate truth is that this is the only way to get the people opposing you to listen to your side. Sure, most of them will not get the message that this is what the world sees you as, but, hopefully some of them will.
Unfortunately having a civil debate publicly on the Internet is impossible without it devolving into an explosive pool of vitriol and bile.
Also, everything he said about the meninists is pretty much feminists on average.
Well yeah of course. There are extremes on both sides of any debate and they end up sounding the same. Just switch opinions. Extremists act the same no matter what side of the debate and they always make their side look bad.
I'm over this.
Devil Boner just dissed the losers. Now they won't be in any other review. Hurray, thank you Devil Boner! You were right, you are the badass hero here to save the day
My response to people who hate on the Star Wars sequel trilogy....it's truly disgraceful how toxic the fan base had become.
Was it okay when the fan base bashed George Lucas and all of his decisions regarding the prequels?
Yeah except people have actual criticisms of it that you choose to ignore.
@@dexxfilm I don't choose to ignore anything. I get it. The dialogue, the messy plot, how elements from the original series is distorted. My thing is that why is it a problem now, when this shit has been going on for years.
@@TC-tl8ie Where have you been? People have been shitting on the prequels for years but when it's a woman lead all of a sudden there is a toxic fanbase of sexists (according to self important industry shills and fedora tipping weirdos)
@@dexxfilm Racists, sexists, and the like can all go to hell. The characters in the new films are just as badly written. My thing is people cherry picking arguments.
This is my response to all the people crying about Jodie Whittaker playing the 13th Doctor.
THANK YOU!!!
yea I wasn't really sure of it at first. then I watched her and loved it.
My response to those who bad-mouthed the latest Terminator movie.
@@christophercarey3232 that one sucked because it was a cash grab.
This is to all the Captain Marvel trolls who are trying to tank this movie on Rotten Tomatoes without actually seeing it.
A straw man or captain marvel trolls
@@BurningRubber454 Get a life
Regardless however you feel about Doug, he can spout a few words of wisdom once in a rare while
You forgot to add the part where all the meninists are drafted to replace all female military
That was intentional. I just wanted the speech.
dragon1130 yeah but that part is hilarious, it shows how truly spineless meninists are
I… I thought Captain Marvel was a good movie!!! There I said it!!!
Never seen it before
Hey if you like it that's fine everybody has things they like and things they don't. Hek I like little dead rotten hood better then red riding hood.
ATTENTION BRIE LARSON HATERS...
...
THIS
Strawman
Tamra's face during the Critics rant...
This review made me a nostalgia critic fan man I love channel awesome.
Honestly looking back, Doug was kinda ahead of the curve in making fun of the Andrew Tate manospehere type guys
Thank you!
Little fact about myself, I'm NOT a fan of the Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. I find it to be a poorly written story that depends more on nostalgia and twists for the sake of a twist than what works for the narrative, and I feel that Rey is a rather weak character. You want to know who's may all time favorite character in Star Wars? Mara Jade.
Nothing amuses me more when idiot meninist find my articles about why I dislike the Star Wars Disney Era only to find that they are just opinionated pieces that give the films credit where credit is due, condemns cast and crew bashing, (seriously insulting and harassing George Lucas and Kelly Marie Tran is NOT cool), and have layers upon layers of pro-feminism/pro-equality writing. And they get even more annoyed when I don't give my gender because they just can't give a proper insult to someone if they don't know their gender. XD
Meninist exist, sadly, but they're really easy to out think as 11 times out of 10, they're all morons who have no idea how to handle someone who actually has a brain.
I do not know who Mara Jade is aside from she was in Star Kids Ani: a parody (which I recommend if you haven't seen it, pretty homage to star wars).
As for Star wars, I like the new movies. I think the older ones (episode 4, 5, and 6) are better, and, the prequels are far FAR worse, but I do agree Rey is a rather weak character.
As for meninists, part of the reason they are so easy to argue against is because they are hard headed ignorant bigots (kinda the same reason it's easy to argue against flat feathers and conspiracy theorists to be honest. What saddens me is that these people are so hard headed that it is almost impossible to actually argue with them because they will just invent new reasons, won't listen, or just flat out ignore facts.
To give you an idea of who Mara Jade is, imagine if Indiana Jones was a former Assassin instead of an archeologist. She is THE Queen of Snark, is arguably one of the least skilled fighters/force-users in the series and has the Worst Luck possible. And she's a TOTAL Bad Ass. She's the one who defeated one of the most powerful Dark Jedi in the franchises history, matched wits with the Thrawn and his successors, and has gotten out of some Really bad situations by the skin of her teeth just through sheer force of will.
I love Mara for the same reason I love Indy, they're awesome despite of, or even because of, how much they screw up. It also helps that Mara has a character arc that is NOT about supporting the men in the story. Luke, Thrawn and Karrde ARE influenced by Mara but HER journey is NOT about them, rather they are part of her journey.
Mara actually has a lot in common with Rey, (possibly even more then everyone is aware of if the Leak is true) as both are the overall protagonist of their respective trilogies, they both have a mysterious past and both are skilled Force Users. However, for me, Mara zigs EVERYWHERE Rey zags. Without going to far into spoilers/possible spoilers, the mystery behind Mara is resolved at the end Heir to the Empire whereas Rey's mystery isn't resolved until E9, possibly. Mara's skills in the Force are given an explanation in Heir, whereas Rey's skills are ONLY explained in the tie-ins. And Mara is an active protagonist who's role goes beyond her relationship with Luke and others while Rey is more passive who spends most of her time trying to better Luke and Kylo while hardly, if ever, talking about herself.
Honestly, check out The Thrawn Trilogy, it's a great read and that's coming from someone who has to deal with a rather annoying dyslexia. Every issue I have with the Disney Sequel Trilogy ISN'T present in TTT. The plots are more original, the villains are intimidating AND intriguing, everyone is highly competent, and the heroes all have such engaging character arcs.
More power to you for liking the Disney Sequel Trilogy but I honestly just think that TTT is a better written story. One that's influence over the series is STILL being felt to this day.
Nice straw man argument
No mens movement is send death threats
This is for all the people bitching about that one line from the Lego Movie 2 trailer.
That was cringe
My message to the community angered by Frosk's rant and blaming her for the collapse of G4
Damn that's the truth harsh but truth
Critic does know that meninism is a joke towards feminism right?
At the time he made this I don't think he knew that meninism was a thing. He just made it up as a joke towards the types of people who act like real meninists, but without any sense of irony. you know, those people we see in youtube comments everyday that make you loose hope in humanity when you find out they aren't ten year old little brats, but instead grown up adults who should know better than to say these sort of things in public. The same types of people who complain about the new ghostbusters cast being all women.
dragon1130 despite it being unfunny and unoriginal....
Yeah, Ghostbusters may not the best example, but the point is, these are the same people who sit here and claim its going to be bad souly on the fact that they are women actors replacing men. Even if the Ghostbusters remake was good (or even looked good) these people would still complain.
Come on man. First it is a joke, sooner or later it becomes a cult. Like the fucking Flying Spaghetti Monster or Scientology. Or No Ma'am :D. The phrase "this is why we can't have nice things" does not comes out of nowhere.
Unfortunately, this is a true fact. These things that are meant just a joke become so big that they are treated as a real thing by people whose....well lets just say there average intelligence is equal to that of a tree frog. Unfortunately, those people don't know it's a joke...or they do in which case it becomes even sadder at that point.
This review turned me into a nostalgia critic fan. Also tamera is hot.
THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!
This should be sent to the 1950's
No. We can’t change history.
@@ryanangelastro504 and I would happily be erased if this would happen
Hey I didn’t know the Quartering was in this review
I'd like-spam anyone who does a gender-swapped version of this, even though it's great already. lol
Saw One Angry Gamer article bitching about Wolfenstein Youngblood, and this instantly came to mind!
18 likes & 23 dislikes?
Plot twist: Doug is a simp
0:41 To Héctor Augusto Ramos Obregón
Me vs #boycottstarwars
So true. Even some groups like FM complain about much have female. My response to those is this lol
Devil Boner and the speech against the meninists was the only good thing about the Mad Max "review."
+TheMovieDoctorful Really?
Henry Stanley it was hardly even a review.
+TheMovieDoctorful It's more of a spoof of the film, so what's the prob with that?
Henry Stanley he's the NOSTALGIA CRITIC. He's supposed to REVIEW movies. I, along with most everybody watching, was expecting a REVIEW.
+TheMovieDoctorful Well here and the Hocus Pocus vid, he did make fun of it at least. Besides, MM: FR was still playing in cinemas when that vid was uploaded.
my opinion to most of Captain Marvel haters in a nutshell
Is that movie even out yet? I mean how can there be hate already for a movie that hasn't come out yet?
i know, right?
Nice straw man
There's an argument about whether the next Zelda game should even have the option to choose between a male or female main character. A majority of the vocal community says no.
I on the other hand like to refer them to this video.
to be honest, I think it has more to do with Link already having a gender. Its like saying the next metroid you get to choose Samus's gender. it has less to do with gender politics and more along the li es of changing a pre established character. It just feels weird for some reason.
I for one would welcome the option to play as a female in Zelda, though hiw about this. Instead of choosing Links gender...why not let you play as Zelda or Link? I wonder how people wkuld feel about that?
Also, apologies if anythinvs hard to read or mispelled. im typing. this on my phone and my gif is it hard to get everything right even with auto fill.
+Renaldo 'K95' Moon We have a male Lara croft... he's called Nathon Drake. We have a male Samus, he's called Master chief...we have a...well, no we don't have a male Bayonetta, though now that thought is both terrifying and awesome at the same time.
I know thats not exactly what you meant...ehh I just wanted to make that joke.
But regardless, while It would be easy to give samus a male character model, the problem is, that all of Samus's games star....well, Samus. From start to finish its the same character. same with the other games you mentioned. tomb raider stars the same Lara Croft. Bayonetta 1 and 2 both star the same bayonetta.
It's been established that Link, in Zelda, is different form Ocarina of time Link,Twilight princess Link, Skyward Sword Link, and so on. This is why it makes more sense to gender bend Link than the three you mentioned. Because the lore of the Zelda games is the way it is, it allows for a few games to have a different Link. Hell, the legends within the game only ever refer to "The Hero" and rarely, if ever, give them a gender.
It's gonna be hard to find a female equivalent that you'd want to gender bend because, most games, the story is a continuation of the heroes exploits. The same hero, different adventure.
Like I said, instead of wasting time gender bending a character, the best thing to do would be introduce a new character. I mean god knows Nintendo will Never use Linkle outside of the Hyrule warriors franchise but, wouldn't it be cool to have the option to play as her or Link in the next Zelda game?
+dragon1130 Exactly my point. Instead of just changing gender, why not make a similar game with a female main character? That's not Link with tits.
I mean, Link is never the same dude so why can't one of the Links be a girl.
Thats the reason why Link makes sense to Gender bend in a game. since it's a different Link in almost every game, Why not make one where the reincarnated hero is, instead of a man/boy, make them a woman/girl.
Or they could pull a windwaker and make the female hero, not the chosen one, and instead has to go through the process of inheriting the Chosen ones power (AKA the Triforce of Courage). You could keep the name Link (or Linka, or Linkle or whatever you prefer for your feminine pronoun.) and just not mention the original hero's name (again, Ala Windwaker.)
I don't know if "Meninists" were ever a thing, I don't know if they were real but stupid, awkward people will always exist and hopefully videos like these can show the total fallacy in their thinking.
those 57 dislikes must be sexist
God this speech is so much more important right now. There are guys put there that would probably call Kratos from God of War a pussy because in the new games he isn't constantly screaming anymore.
God damn 1:09 that came from the heart, a very enraged heart but nonetheless the heart
oh yeah, such a great speech, totally not a blatantly self-gratifying strawman.
#masculinitysofragile
#strawman
I looked meninists on twitter and what meninist twitter said actually made a lot of sense about 3rd wave feminism.
Their just as bad, if not worse then radical feminists.
@@brianbrush5107 yeah having equal rights to women
Is “radical”
THE FRAME RATE!!!!!!!
Yeah, my video capture software had some strange problem with trying to capture this one. sorry about that.
Me when i found out sonamy fanbrats existed.
I don't know what that is, but it sounds like a Sonic the hedgehog fan group (probably Sonic/Amy shippers) so...they already confuse and frighten me in ways that no other fanbase can.
@@dragon1130 just watch dumbsville and jawbreaker and you'll see😥.
dear max landis's homunculuses...
+BirdInerd But without the vids i will not argue with that. At least the force awakens made their own characters, the ghostbusters reboot felt like a gender swapt
Sure Andrew Tate would looove this.
Was “Meninist“ supposed to be a real thing? I thought it was just created as a joke to mock the feminist movement?
It was supposed to be a satire of the Feminist movement. Nostalgia critic made up the term for his video without knowing it was an actual thing until after the fact. In a weird, round about way, his satire is the satire, on the satire...I think...
dragon1130 try saying that 10x fast lol
It’s an actual thing (sadly)
If ferries and bronnies exist, I wouldn't be surprised at a slightest if this did.
@@brandonspain12345 I’m so done with this generation TBH😒
wait...are meninists real or is it just a joke?
***** i see. however, i heard that it used to be like that, but it's a real thing now. i hope i'm wrong
+Mujamb It's real unfortunately. They have a twitter page
They exist, they just have a new name
+Mujamb They're real. They're called "men's rights activists"
You don't win cars on Jeopardy you moron, you win cars on The Price is Right. Get your hosts right before you try to burn people with game show jokes. What you additionally fail to recognize is that the satirical nature of "meninism" has basically run afoul of Poe's Law. In attempting to be satirical it operates as a more covert form of mysogeny--ie. by implying that feminist issues are a joke and should not be taken seriously. It is impossible to tell the difference between someone who THINKS they are being edgey and satirical by mocking the straw men they construct as representations of feminism (which are in fact a small minority of feminists) and those who are using it as a cover for their contempt. Between someone who thinks it is a joke and is therefore unaware of what the movements contributors are actually saying, someone who misses what is supposed to be a joke and thinks it is what it appears to be on the surface, and, indeed, a Poe. That is, between an idiot, an asshole, and a troll.
Funny thing is it was the Feminists taking issue with the film. Evidently they said it was sexist because the villain engaged in sex slavery.
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Ok simp.