@@DylanLCutshall actually that might be interesting: If you quadrupled the possible number of inputs in a TAS-setting, how much would runs change if at all? Could that extra precision be used to land even tighter tricks or is the difference negligible?
@@mahattahamovich3983 He was getting at if it would change TAS or not, I think. And I don't think it would. TAS is tool assisted runs, so some are maybe already using it, but they're already using frame perfect inputs, so a .25 speed difference doesn't affect tas runs, because there are something like 40 or maybe even 100 frames a second, depending on what the game was built on. But when every one of those is perfect, .25 of the normal speed, is absolutely nothing compared to the speed difference between tas and .25 slowed runs.
@@RS-fy9hb Pretty sure TAS produce "valid" runs, meaning the tools that originally unearthed the slowdown-cheated runs would have no issue taking TAS runs and reproducing an actually finishing run in Track Mania at the regular speed. In fact, that's pretty much exactly what these TAS runs are, right? Effectively a long list of instructions much like the ones that players upload to have their runs verified. The whole thing came crashing down precisely because, at quarter speed, these runs no longer check out. Because you get to change the state of your car four times as often, and if you mapped those same instructions to a regular speed run, errors would creep in and, eventually, make the car drive off the supposed route or whatever. So I think, at least *in principle,* it *could* make a difference for TAS runs as well. Especially for ones on the longer side. Like, they could potentially save up to three quarters of a frame on every single maneuver. Of course it won't *actually* be that long, as most of the time on your average track is gonna be setup (such as "gain enough speed") rather than actual execution differences. But it might be enough to make meaningful frame-level differences. (Of course with the big caveat that frame counts are no longer comparable)
@@Kram1032 ahh, I am not too sure myself, but I know for a fact that the slowed down runs also produced legit runs, which was why it went unchecked for so long. Only recently have they implemented the anti cheat for that specific cheat. Wirtual and Donadiego (cant remember his name) had to use Donadiego's own script to check for cheated runs, because it would only show an insane amount of inputs, as opposed to other high level players. I don't know about tas, but I'm pretty sure they're allowed to backtrace to whatever frame they need to make a difference in and change it. And sometimes it'd be an AI, whom humans have no hope of going up against in terms of frame perfect inputs. Ai would be able to make a change about every single frame, which would amount to however many frames there are a second in trackmania, and that'd be the amount of different inputs a second.
I was about to comment how was this map verified if no one has completed it. 5 seconds later the question was asked and answered and the timing blew my mind.
Editors, Please. When you do a zoom in on Wirtual's face, please just increase the size of the camera window instead of zooming in the whole screen. Having the car leave frame during the zoom in makes it really hard to follow what's going on sometimes
The video is taken from a VOD. The camera channel is not recorded seperately, thus making it impractical and more time consuming to edit in the camera part of the screen zooming in.
@@treeplusplus it's easy enough to select just the camera corner of a clip and zoom only that part in, would take only a couple seconds more than zooming the entire video
Hey @Wirtual, have you considered doing what @crimsontree said at 8:16. Get together with an elite TAS player and make a video on how TAS runs are developed. I'd be really interested to learn how that's done. (I say learn, but I don't even play video games.) Great videos! Keep 'em coming.
Im not a Trackmania Player. Did anyone finish this map like ever ? 3:47 Well that answers it thanks Im just supprised that people grind 1000 of hours for a millisecond of improvement but no one grinded this map
They grind for milliseconds of improvement in maps that are generally not particularly difficult to drive normally and are decently short. This map is inhumanely difficult, has way too few checkpoints, and is very long.
someone had to create and finish the map, even if it was per parts. should be doable for a crazy guy that wants to spend 500hrs on it. but weve seen this kind of crazy people before, so i think is doable
Wirtul love ur videos I’m trying to expand my small TH-cam channel so I can save up to get a gaming pc so I can play trackmaina thank you for inspiring me Keep making cool vids Viper playz
I wonder if you slowed down the game, if these tracks would be playable. Obviously you would have to be _very clear_ that it's a human driven tool assisted run and _not_ a legit run, but I think that would be worth something.
in normal maps yea but this was designed to be hard, that part would have been easier for humans without blindness, however it forces you to turtle it when you have blindness instead which just adds to the difficulty of what would be a rather easy part
What He mean with after this No human go Further in this map, i mean the Author hast to so it right? Or use the Author the Tools, ist this even possible?
Like Wirtual, I have the same question: Why would you make this map? Why would you spend so much time for something probably noone will ever finish? How is that not a massive waste of time?
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Chat: "Is this TAS?"
No, this is Günther. On his touchpad. With oven gloves. Blindfolded. First try. Obviously.
@@DylanLCutshall actually that might be interesting: If you quadrupled the possible number of inputs in a TAS-setting, how much would runs change if at all? Could that extra precision be used to land even tighter tricks or is the difference negligible?
@@Kram1032 yeah there was a cheating scandal because of that
@@mahattahamovich3983 He was getting at if it would change TAS or not, I think. And I don't think it would. TAS is tool assisted runs, so some are maybe already using it, but they're already using frame perfect inputs, so a .25 speed difference doesn't affect tas runs, because there are something like 40 or maybe even 100 frames a second, depending on what the game was built on. But when every one of those is perfect, .25 of the normal speed, is absolutely nothing compared to the speed difference between tas and .25 slowed runs.
@@RS-fy9hb Pretty sure TAS produce "valid" runs, meaning the tools that originally unearthed the slowdown-cheated runs would have no issue taking TAS runs and reproducing an actually finishing run in Track Mania at the regular speed.
In fact, that's pretty much exactly what these TAS runs are, right? Effectively a long list of instructions much like the ones that players upload to have their runs verified.
The whole thing came crashing down precisely because, at quarter speed, these runs no longer check out. Because you get to change the state of your car four times as often, and if you mapped those same instructions to a regular speed run, errors would creep in and, eventually, make the car drive off the supposed route or whatever.
So I think, at least *in principle,* it *could* make a difference for TAS runs as well. Especially for ones on the longer side. Like, they could potentially save up to three quarters of a frame on every single maneuver. Of course it won't *actually* be that long, as most of the time on your average track is gonna be setup (such as "gain enough speed") rather than actual execution differences.
But it might be enough to make meaningful frame-level differences. (Of course with the big caveat that frame counts are no longer comparable)
@@Kram1032 ahh, I am not too sure myself, but I know for a fact that the slowed down runs also produced legit runs, which was why it went unchecked for so long. Only recently have they implemented the anti cheat for that specific cheat. Wirtual and Donadiego (cant remember his name) had to use Donadiego's own script to check for cheated runs, because it would only show an insane amount of inputs, as opposed to other high level players. I don't know about tas, but I'm pretty sure they're allowed to backtrace to whatever frame they need to make a difference in and change it. And sometimes it'd be an AI, whom humans have no hope of going up against in terms of frame perfect inputs. Ai would be able to make a change about every single frame, which would amount to however many frames there are a second in trackmania, and that'd be the amount of different inputs a second.
This map feels designed for TAS. It's a puzzle for a TASer to solve without having to worry about getting into a noseboost asap.
Someone should organize a TASers vs. Map Makers community event.
@@GarrettKearns honestly a "speedrun"/ hunt event (you have x hours to get the best time you can) on an unknown map for tassers could be super cool!
@@dmarsub that would be awesome
i do hope Fastest Way Only attempts to beat this map
I swear this “TAS” guy is almost inhumane!
The floor here is made out of floor
@@kama2106 r/wooosh
Reminds me of the Danser OSU replays.
@@mateoayala2120 how is that a swoosh?
@@dreadrose0350 Dunno, he just entered internet yesterday with his granny and spams that because he thinks it s funny or relevant
I don't really see the fuss about the difficulty... he can just watch the TAS and copy it
its easier said than done
@@daeinkord3341 its also a joke
@@Trep3 just like you
Dude...
@@daeinkord3341 that was out of left field
That final checkpoint for Decimation is just about the evilest thing I've ever heard of.
Wirtual sounds like assisting a rally driver, “5 left into 6 right into long straight…”
How many "don't cut" instructions do you think the TAS ignored?
"300 over bumps into bugslide right, tightens on exit, 4 right over big jump into 2000 noseboost..."
technically the codriver
"Why would you try to make something 4 times harder than anyone could ever finish"
Rhythm gamers: even the auto can't beat this hahaha
it's not hard to make auto lose a level, it's way harder to make it fun
Watching tas go from keyboard input for steering into analog input back to keyboard is wild
Digital into analog input, or keyboard into controller/wheel input. Pick one
This TAS guy is pretty good
Thanks!
This tas guy speedruns almost every game, insane
"and then, TAS got this run."
I hope to be like TAS one day, but I don't think it's going to happen 😕
I know right, my man should enter a tourney
I have subscribed and notifications on and now my scooter became faster
Wirtual - "Why would you make something harder"
Plasma - "Hi"
With tripple the checkpoints, Enigma would be realistic.
Is the excel sheet you have for the difficult tracks viewable by regular people? Would you be able to put it in the description?
1:55
The feeling when a streamer responds to your message is just different.
you KNOW this map is hard when even the freaking TAS has to go IN REVERSE to get enough speed
that's just because the tas is slow
I was about to comment how was this map verified if no one has completed it. 5 seconds later the question was asked and answered and the timing blew my mind.
Editors,
Please. When you do a zoom in on Wirtual's face, please just increase the size of the camera window instead of zooming in the whole screen. Having the car leave frame during the zoom in makes it really hard to follow what's going on sometimes
The video is taken from a VOD. The camera channel is not recorded seperately, thus making it impractical and more time consuming to edit in the camera part of the screen zooming in.
I don't think they have the separate files, just the files directly from the VOD.
It should be fairly easy to use ffmpeg to get the camera as a separate video and overlay it on top.
@@satibel i dont think thats the peak of wirtual's concern
@@treeplusplus it's easy enough to select just the camera corner of a clip and zoom only that part in, would take only a couple seconds more than zooming the entire video
Looks easy enough , might finish in 5
4
3
@@Northtarctica oh no
5 millenniums
@@mrwalrusmars6405 5 universes
Hey @Wirtual, have you considered doing what @crimsontree said at 8:16. Get together with an elite TAS player and make a video on how TAS runs are developed. I'd be really interested to learn how that's done.
(I say learn, but I don't even play video games.)
Great videos! Keep 'em coming.
"The Twisted Treeline" made me tear up... I miss 3v3
Im exited for the day when someone finished Enigma and Wirtual makes a video about it with "En Aften Ved Svanefossen" in the background
Enigma was prooved to be impossible to finish for human players, but then, Hefest got this run
Try getting one of these maps using save states and see if you can make it. So you can "add your own checkpoints" wherever you want.
pog, more content pleaSEEEE I WANT MORE VIDS TO WATCH!
Bro i fucking love i keep the daily videos up. Much love to you
That constant switching between gamepad and keyboard lol
I just love how this TAS *skips* a bugslide.
The guy in chat that said "Is this a TAS"
no, we were just watching Wirtual's replay xD
Wait until he sees Plasma
"And then, hefest got this run..."
wow! almost looks like riolu's replays :O
That finish had my jaw dropped
samee
Nixion did not listen. We now have a map probably 20 times harder than Final Enigma now. Plasma is absurd.
That "Decimation" track is evil
Final Enigma looks like the Trials of Death of Trackmania
imagine some day this gets track of the day
3:30
Wirtual is so cool he even beat my math teacher at teaching hard math concepts without it sounds hard
Up until the start it looked quite doable
if final enigma has each checkpoint completed individually why hasnt anyone just kept the game running and put up a like 1 week long completion.
i like this genre of tracks
amazing game. who loves to play with rapier machines? now I'll put 2 autocannons on and check how to play with them
Me waiting for 450 speed to see absolute nose boost madness
After seeing Plasma this looks lika a children game
6:09 right thats a project for the next few years
I mean... you could probably make a track similar to timeless by cyrillic (geometry dash level which takes around -68 years) or 3sh times a lot
wow this is almost as impressive as Ballistic Wistfully.
If you know you know
for those who don't know, it is the 3rd hardest impossible level in the impossible levels list in geometry dash
edit: corrected the error
aye what's up fellow gd player
@@sukhesharulananthan3046 there are 2 harder levels now apparently, either i did not know that or you're making shit up
@@mexomenti right now it is in 3rd place in the ILL. Am i right?
@@mexomenti ayyy sup
Im not a Trackmania Player.
Did anyone finish this map like ever ?
3:47 Well that answers it thanks
Im just supprised that people grind 1000 of hours for a millisecond of improvement but no one grinded this map
to anybody who does play trackmania, this is practicly impossible for any human
They grind for milliseconds of improvement in maps that are generally not particularly difficult to drive normally and are decently short. This map is inhumanely difficult, has way too few checkpoints, and is very long.
Seems consistent
someone had to create and finish the map, even if it was per parts. should be doable for a crazy guy that wants to spend 500hrs on it. but weve seen this kind of crazy people before, so i think is doable
The game starts lagging really badly around the 50-100hr point, so you have a relatively strict time limit.
Wirtul love ur videos I’m trying to expand my small TH-cam channel so I can save up to get a gaming pc so I can play trackmaina thank you for inspiring me
Keep making cool vids
Viper playz
I wonder if you slowed down the game, if these tracks would be playable. Obviously you would have to be _very clear_ that it's a human driven tool assisted run and _not_ a legit run, but I think that would be worth something.
riolu moment
If you combine all this map in one run. Congrats. Go buy lottery ticket.
Holy moly, how many vids are we getting this week?
Happy i saw glitch3d on this channel lol
And then... Wirtual got this run..
Nice
Yeah my buddy eric did this last week.
It’s weird how I didn’t see oach on the hard list
It's in the Expert tier
trackmania is a deterministic game. just do what the tas did
Does anyone know what website (or whatever that is) on the beggining?
(00:01 btw)
That's a Google spreadsheet of the top trial maps.
Cheesy joke incoming: Damn, riolu would be proud of those inputs.
Where can I find the spreadsheet of trial maps?
could it be time to wirtual try this map again??🤔
Who made this map???? The level of effort making this map so its even possible to finish is insane!
thanks
i wonder what the most difficult map is that someone actually got to finish legit
This isn’t actually tas this is just me in my new gaming chair
people be like: just combine all tracks that not finished yet lol
Ok, but this video was already on the Clips channel
please tell someone what is that anime orchiestra song, I am looking for it for 1 month and I doesn't find it
defenetly humanly pssible msotly the nose boost part
Where can I find this excel spreadsheet of hard maps
Why is it constantly changing between Keyboard and Controller inputs?
fun fact: the harder you press w the faster you go
why dont humans just do it?
My toxic trait is thinking I can fucking do this
TAS is just build different
Blindness is such a worthless mechanic imo. Shouldn't be forced / removing it shouldn't be considered cheating
in normal maps yea but this was designed to be hard, that part would have been easier for humans without blindness, however it forces you to turtle it when you have blindness instead which just adds to the difficulty of what would be a rather easy part
How do you download maps, ive tried but i dont umderstand how to get them.
Me, who never play Trackmania or any other video game: it doesnt look so hard
Exactly me when I see speedrun tricks
whats the song at the end
And then Hefest got this run...
insane
Not gonna lie but with this map idk what’s a shortcut and what isn’t
where i can find that community spreadsheet ??
6:30 how it the difficulty calculated?
Probably by the amount of players who cleared these maps.
How is tas only just a thing in trackmania?
Wdym? It's in a lot of games?
you can tas like every game
Every turn is like a whole kacky map
for the last time who is tas and why is he the best player in every game ever
Did they validate using TAS?
"Looks do-able"
What He mean with after this No human go Further in this map, i mean the Author hast to so it right?
Or use the Author the Tools, ist this even possible?
2:57 :,,DeUud"
Iam not a TM player and I always thought the mapper has to finish the map himself for a map to be "valid", is it not the case?
Like Wirtual, I have the same question: Why would you make this map? Why would you spend so much time for something probably noone will ever finish? How is that not a massive waste of time?
Is there final enigma test tracks?
the tas is switching between keyboard and controller in 1 millisecond
Yes
Haven’t you already made a video in this?
what does he mean at 4:02 'it would make you blind' stupid question sorry
You should do a 24H stream of this track. Try to finish it in 24h.
Or here’s a better question: Just try to finish it in a quattuordecillion hours
@@speedymatt1236 on in 5 seconds