John Hick - Do Religions Complement or Contradict?
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- Religions clash and compete-that’s a problem for those who believe. Some claim that the similarities of diverse religions-such as seeking transcendence beyond the physical world-outweigh their differences. Do diverse religions complement and enrich each other with respect to fundamentals? Is that rationalization? How can contradictions complement?
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Brilliant - Bravo . . . as always , thanks for taking us along on your quest.
The assumed contradiction is held when you exclude islam from the abrahamic religions and call it jeudo-christian west. This concept is concocted in 20th century and was to distance islam from west. While the word west is made by muslims. It was even muslim west aka morroco and iberian peninsula or spain, portugal etc. These were muslim before 15th century and were called west. When christains took over the wisdom, arts, architecture, philosophy and science and developed som of it they kept the name but attributed this concept of westernism to race. West basing its ideas on greeks and romans. While greeks had nothing to do with modern day scandinavians, polish or British people. But were part of egypt, turkey, tunisia and algeria. Even there kings and ideologues were from these regions and were citizens of these landscapes and greek and roman proper too. So, not only that but greek philosophy is kept and transmitted by the muslims to europe. The nomads of Atlas and folks expelled from Andulus (former muslim spain) to the outskirts of Himalayas and to china has accepted and know more greek wisdom that common europeans. They even memorize it as a philosophy. They embraced as Aristotle and Plato as their homies. They recognized it before the so called modern day west knew. I don't mean that greek wisdom was compelled on them or that they don't anspire their own traditions. No, they have alot to offer but they are more near to greeks intellectually than europeans. So, distancing and eurocentric world view like this which assumes that islam contradicts older religion is a mistake.
QURAN 61-6 And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O Children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allāh to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Aḥmad."1 But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."2
QURAN 3-3 He has sent down upon you, [O Muḥammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel
QURAN 50-56 And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me.
It is building a false caricature and then destroying it when you don't understand the core faith tenets of islam and assume it like a foreign thing when it is abrahamic and came from the same geography of the torah and gospel or old and new testament.
I like to say, each religion paints the divine in colors they can understand. The transcendent, or ultimate, is quite beyond human comprehension in total, so we must content ourselves with partial depictions. Any religion that gets people to seek the divine has worth.
Religions generally tend to be cultural affairs. What holds true for one culture, may not make any sense at all for another. But as for which religion is the one true religion, it's the relationship we have with our Divine Father-friend (ODFF) that is the most beneficial. The point of any religion is to help the devotee become more spiritual, which roughly translated, means more mature, more perfect as a spiritual being.
That said, most people are lazy and prefer to take the easy way out. They nominally agree with the dogma so as to "fit in" and yet pay little or no attention to actually becoming a better person. For those, it doesn't matter which religion they adhere to, as they won't benefit from it whatever it is.
I'm a Christian believer and I tend to agree with your comments. I have my doubts about some things in Christianity, but I do believe that Jesus Himself understood reality regarding the Creator, the Cosmos and humanity. I simply struggle with the hiddeness of God that makes me frustrated. However my experience or lack thereof does not negate the existence of a Creator God.
What do you think?
Peace to you.
"Beyond comprehension" makes nothing real! Anyone can start up any nonsense belief and claim it is true with no evidence because it is "beyond comprehension"!
@@chrisgale5634 Im a Christian believer and I actually agree with your last post. Regarding theistic viewpoints and arguments, I think there has to be some mystery to God Himself although if everything is based on the concept of "beyond comprehension" then what good is it? Like you said, it's a "nonsense belief".
I appreciate your honesty. I don't think that all theistic viewpoints need to be based on material evidence, but certainly the foundational beliefs should suggest a trustworthiness in evidence based on history, philosophy, and human nature itself.
What do you think?
Peace to you...
Interesting!
5:43 that's correct. Nomenclature will reveal this. Our words, definitions, meanings, fall short concerning 'Source', and are only relative. Is why metaphor is so important if used properly.
Ex. We know 'hotness' only from what has 'coldness' and not what it is in itself.
The ultimate source for all our definitions is our direct experience.
Hello Robert,
I appreciate your questions because I also seek to understand if religions have complementary aspects. However the number of religions seemingly outnumber my own brain cells ! So I don't have the time or interest to fully explore the theological beliefs/worldviews of people.
However I do think there is a correlation between theological beliefs and humanity's quest to understand better the existence of our Cosmos. This quest is observable in various fields of knowledge, including science, philosophy, language, etc.
The problem that is most difficult to understand within most religions is the hiddeness of God. Excluding the various Holy books, is our mind capable of finding evidence for the existence of God ?
Has God given us the ability to find reasonable explanations through science, history, and observations of the Cosmos?
Thanks for your thought-provoking questions.
The assumed contradiction is held when you exclude islam from the abrahamic religions and call it jeudo-christian west. This concept is concocted in 20th century and was to distance islam from west. While the word west is made by muslims. It was even muslim west aka morroco and iberian peninsula or spain, portugal etc. These were muslim before 15th century and were called west. When christains took over the wisdom, arts, architecture, philosophy and science and developed som of it they kept the name but attributed this concept of westernism to race. West basing its ideas on greeks and romans. While greeks had nothing to do with modern day scandinavians, polish or British people. But were part of egypt, turkey, tunisia and algeria. Even there kings and ideologues were from these regions and were citizens of these landscapes and greek and roman proper too. So, not only that but greek philosophy is kept and transmitted by the muslims to europe. The nomads of Atlas and folks expelled from Andulus (former muslim spain) to the outskirts of Himalayas and to china has accepted and know more greek wisdom that common europeans. They even memorize it as a philosophy. They embraced as Aristotle and Plato as their homies. They recognized it before the so called modern day west knew. I don't mean that greek wisdom was compelled on them or that they don't anspire their own traditions. No, they have alot to offer but they are more near to greeks intellectually than europeans. So, distancing and eurocentric world view like this which assumes that islam contradicts older religion is a mistake.
QURAN 61-6 And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O Children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allāh to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Aḥmad."1 But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."2
QURAN 3-3 He has sent down upon you, [O Muḥammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel
QURAN 50-56 And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me.
It is building a false caricature and then destroying it when you don't understand the core faith tenets of islam and assume it like a foreign thing when it is abrahamic and came from the same geography of the torah and gospel or old and new testament.
@@whootoo1117 Greetings from Florida. I'm still reading your comments and trying to understand what you said. I hope you didn't think I was being disrespectful to Muslims in my comments .
I agree with you that it's important to understand the "core faith tenets of Islam" and to be honest, I've never read the Quran but I know Muslims regard it as a great Holy Book.
I have watched a few Islamic channels on TH-cam so I'm a little familiar with some Islamic beliefs. The main difference I see is that Christians believe that God the Father sent Jesus to earth because God loves his creation. So God sent Jesus the Son to destroy the evil of sin. We can never destroy sin ourselves.
To be honest, some verses from the Quran confuse me. But some scriptures in the Gospels of the New Testament confuse me too.
Anyhow... I try to respect people of most religions and atheists too. Like Robert Kuhn, I struggle to better understand God and creation ( including mankind ).
I'm somewhat open-minded and I prefer to listen to the worldviews of people instead of being confrontational.
Peace of God to you....
FYI. If you taught quantum physics to a class of 30 primary school kids, a year later they would all remember different parts of the teaching.
Or just teach them their soul is qauntom tunneling in and out of Hibbert space theory/spiritual dimensions and their conscious brain /general realitivity
@@dadsonworldwide3238 Whatever is taught, the lessons won't be identical for each class, unless you are robotic. Each class will raise different questions requiring specific answers.
I don’t think you could do the subject justice at that level .
Teach it at post graduate level and they will all share the same understanding , but have different opinions about it . Which is ok
@@chyfields sure. Even one horned ,two horned rhino words from Egypt or uni cornus in Greek was lost in translation and the most educated philosophers picked up the flying horse with a horn and making a it an abstract tool.
Even though modern know the correction of this they stil use the magic pagasis flying horse version in their meta hypothesis lol
@@chyfields animal characteristic never change.
When you see a carving of a man holding is penis with leopards on each side of him you its swift eyes are watching you.
Lol
Oldest know carving in turkey is very clear about the foundation of the room was used for. A place of authority making difficult decisions for ppl or judgment scenes
"Do Religions Complement or Contradict?"
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter!!!
Wow, now that's a great way to evade difficult questions. Simply state that the questions don't apply.... An honest person would answer "I don't know".
Would you prefer that your souls qauntom tunneling to and from through Hibbert space theory/spiritual dimensions and your conscious brain/general realitivity?
Only the alphabetical exodus and Bible predicts such things and is clear about all these other out out of context miss lead traditions in the indus valley ,China the steppe the Levant ,Egypt and Greece.
Just as the Bible also predicted they all knew the truth but created in their image corrupted the source.
We have the dna R1B migration into the yahmna then into indus valley, into summer and Greece. Thsee are all much later and are not simplified or unified and biblical alphabet empowered all of the world's slave society to use as this powerful tool of approximation and its to is paradoxical but still helps us study the word around us and all God's creation and how he did it.
All those myths share characteristics about the flood and many aspects of truth about the great bottle neck event and rise of city living and farming.
Convenient innit. Apologetics 101: If asked a tough question, simply don't answer.
There's also the method of focusing on semantics, citing the Bible a bunch of times until the opponent gives up or you can always straight up claim the other is wrong without elaborating.
I'm cognizant of my lack of knowledge regarding various religions. However I honestly don't have a desire to study various religions.
Yet I do want to be respectful and listen to the beliefs and worldviews of people.
However the most important aspects regarding religion are those that question the meaning of life and the possibility of a Creator. Sometimes I don't want to evade these questions but I need time to think.
Peace to you...
Last time I looked, several years ago, on Wikipedia it was written that there are at least 4,200 religions.
I googled how many Christian denominations in America and the consensus hovered at over 700. I respect Christianity’s many manifestations - why takes chances? Over 700 denominations can’t be wrong😮
I am 28 on the 8th coming up, and I just wanted to say, your quest is my quest, and I will not stop finding the truth
Peace to you on your quest to find truth. Everyone who seeks the truth takes a different path on their journey. Some prefer to concentrate on science and knowledge of the material world. I think reality goes much deeper, and includes non-materialistic aspects.
Peace to you from Florida.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 My name is also John, funny how this works , I agree with what you have said aswell.
@@MKHideOut Thanks. I'm not very scientifically or philosophically minded as Dr. Kuhn. But I respect his sharing of his quest.
John, what books are you reading or plan to read? I'm a Christian believer because I think psychologically and philosophically, the teaching of Jesus regarding human nature makes sense. Science is a different matter but I'm open minded to new discoveries/ theories in that discipline. If God is truth, then science should point to God's creation of the Cosmos.
What do you think?
Anyhow.. peace to you.
The differences between the religions are important. Especially in the differences there is deeper wisdom and deeper insight into "God" the Life. The differences have good reason! Who really knows "God" does understand all religions!
Some religions don't even have a god bro!
transcendent divine unity provides ultimate reality through religious tradition(s)?
One basically needs total of what is real not just the physical measurable real for having a overview. Is there something beyond the physical (does our current understanding of the physical world suggests that our understanding is incomplete and because of that there must be something beyond the physical?)?...can deeper truth if real, beyond the physical truths, be found in mysticism, religion, non religions like zen, buddhism, even in the arts?
I like your reasoning that "what is real" may not just be "the physical measurable real".
And yes I think our understanding is "incomplete. It seems like the more we learn, the less we know about reality.
I question though why aren't we more cognizant of "something beyond the physical"? Are we doing something wrong that inhibits our knowledge or is mankind fallen and therefore unable to grasp this other part of reality?
I appreciate your thought-provoking comments. Peace
What a productive video... I really enjoyed watching Hick dance around every tough question like he was on Broadway.
Islamic understanding of the ultimate came from the Creator of the universe, whereas Christians understanding of "the ultimate" came from Tom, Jerry and Henry's books in the NT.
Robert pointed out that "degradation the real" in many tradition" whereas John Hick says there is no degradation.
Manslaughter ritual and human blood ritual were despicable abomination in OT, whereas in Christianity Christians' 'god' it is the core and key element for Christian's "salvation".
Robert starts seeing the picture slowly.
divine unity seeks ultimate reality for human being? already having a divine unity, human being needs ultimate reality?
Long ages tricky question! Given any sufficiently long discourse on religious concepts, one runs into a variant of of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem: There will be either a. contradictions, b. incomplete statements, or both. The only "Absolute" agreement takes place on the level of Non-Duality, and this is a matter of experience, transcending thought and concepts. Hicks is still hung up on concepts. Transcend them!. No problem: Access "Mahamritunjaya mantra - Sacred Sounds Choir". Listen to it for 5 min per day for at least two weeks and enjoy "The Real". Peace.
ultimate reality as divine unity provides different cultures to dissuade from human unity? and megalomania? human decentralization seeks unity in the divine?
There is no real human understanding unless there is experience -- and that transcends all religions. Probably better to ignore all religions, except for their historical and cultural influences and for the endless fights they ignited up and until today.
I'd say that you're being cynical. Sure, wars have been fought because of religion, but they've also been fought for secular reasons, humans being humans.
Religion is under the umbrella of philosophy, and the rigorous practitioners of the various religions have had serious experience in their own ways through philosophy, for many thousands of years, in an attempt to understand the world/universe/cosmos. It is a mistake to provide a monopoly of experience to the materialists.
Most of the people who are fighting in the name of religion are the legions of blind followers, not philosophers, and the same can be said about secular people. Comments like yours make me feel like you enjoy instigating a fight, which comes across as ironic.
Are you referring to a "supernatural" experience? And if so, how does one determine that such an experience is based on reality and not just some kind of psychological factor?
Thanks
@@johnbrzykcy3076 in case someone is lucky enough to experience a higher reality then that experience is such that it is so much more real than whatever else one experiences that there is no question for the one experiencing. I do not know if this can ever be verified -- certainly not the experience itself since all experiences are always subjective, but the influence on the physical body could be measured. Nobody should believe it, or not. It does not matter. If we would be open enough in our understanding then just the existence itself is the greatest miracle already. But even this has to be felt deeply to understand, and then only it is the reality for that person. Just the wars of opinions, faiths, belief systems -- it leads nowhere. It is just a psychopathic fight for nothing.
@@RolandHuettmann I agree with what you said that "the wars of opinions, faiths, belief systems - it leads nowhere."
I prefer to be nonconfrontational in discussions about God and religion. Each of us has a different perception and different experiences.
I wonder why the Creator made us this way? But the innumerable ways that we perceive things can't be a negative aspect of life, can it?
Peace
@@johnbrzykcy3076 We are made to seek, possibly find, nature tries out everything. Some paths end, others take over. Beyond peace there is search for a higher state of awareness. Dogma, even belief, kills such process.
it's just like saying there is no absolute truth, everything is true, nothing then is true.
If nothing applies than great.. I thought something has to..
“Dichotomies don’t apply”
“So it would be false to say they do apply?”
“They do not apply”
“So then there’s a true/false dichotomy that applies to whether dichotomies apply?”
“They do not apply”
“So then it’s ok to say also that they do apply?”
“They do not apply”
Apparently the laws of logic do not apply to Hick.
Hick invokes a four-valued logic at this point (catuskoti). Whether that is more or less sophisticated - at least for certain purposes - than bivalent propositional logic is not at all an unappreciable question.
How they are all consistent and have the ultimate reality if each religion sends other to the hell and fight each other claiming to have absolute reality? if that does not mean contradiction, what else could be the definition of contradiction?
Correction: In Buddhism, esp. early Buddhism, there is no such thing as cosmic consciousness. All consciousnesses are dependently arisen with causes and conditions.
Absolutes are confronted with experience.
Largely the word ‘should’ is a religious faith, that anticipates delivery based on a small truth.
Just as economics is entirely constructed on endless debt, not EROI.
I would think all religions would compliment eachother, except the contradiction is in the religious. The frame then becomes restricted, where as the God or Gods specialise in thier fields for all things ultimate.
All religions provide a figurehead upon whom humans can foist their shortcomings instead of accepting responsibility for their own actions.
Just read Meister Eckhart or Ibn Al Arabi
The reality would seem to be in evolution. Somewhere in the distant and not so distant past Someone imagines he/she knows the path to a higher and conversely the path to Hell. Across the globe someone else had seen the light, just aa different color light and a lot of lights lit up ...Well you get the point. They all hear the music through different ears, they dance to a person rhythm. Some people can't let other people dance to their own music. And that is what tears us apart.
If The Real is manifested in physical diversity, why can't The Real be manifested with conceptual and experiential diversity as well? This would allow for differing and even contradictory descriptions, the same way there are predators and prey in the wild. They conflict, surely, but their conflict does not deny their existence, it in fact sustains it. When one goes deep into religious contemplation, one gets the same tension perspective between religions, that the contradictions and conflicts themselves say something just as grand as the wisdom itself.
each religion pursues ultimate reality in its own area?
@James Ruscheinski _"each religion pursues ultimate reality in its own area? "_
No they do not, but rather each man-made religion want to diviate humanity away from the God of Abraham to worship a man, wood or stone or a book.
Exception is found in the Islam alone.
you said g-d is same in the same way religions but there is more than one abundant power there are more all relligons have symbols and there is more like clothes and more all have buldings so not so different ?
@Aaron Robert Cattell
Have you read the Quran? If you did, I wonder what you thought as "who is talking in the Quran? "
internal criticism for ultimate reality with transcendent divine unity? external naiveness for apparent fantasy of human unity?
My belief is that all religions are true in some sense. They are like very difficult exams. Where all the religions are students, taking the exams. Some students get fewer answers correct, other students get more answers correct. C.S. Lewis the Christian apologist gave me this idea, long ago, but I could not find his quote. Christians invented science. See: Jordan Peterson on the Christian origins of Science. Apologetics Roadshow platform on y tube.
Dr. Peterson goes into the various Christian ideas that helped create modern science. Including criticizing Biblical text, proposing a theory about religion, then debating that theory, going to other Biblical verses, to analyze and debate a certain religious idea. The Jewish religion has this same idea, of debate over theology, it's part of their rabbinical heritage. That's why we have so many Jewish scientists...and lawyers. Science is a logical extension of the Judeao-Christian worldview.
So the idea here is we debate, promote theories, test if ideas are true.
The thing is, many other religions do the same thing as Christianity and Judaism. They speculate at a high level, about ultimate reality. So does science. In a certain sense they are all expressions of the same thing. Where will this end?
It may turn out Buddhism is closer to truth than Christianity, for all I know. But I get the feeling, all religions are stabs at getting fundamental questions right. When I try to figure something out that is new and complex, I usually get a lot of wrong answers, before finally getting a correct answer. Expecting any religion to be correct from the start, seems a foolish unrealistic assumption, to me. It takes a long time. Very long. We don't get things right, from the start. We shouldn't expect to. Religion is, among other things, an evolutionary process. You see that in the Bible. The New Testament is much kinder and gentler, than they Old Testament. Why? Religion evolves, like everything else, including understanding of reality.
Since there are quite likely to be, ultimate answers on the nature of reality, it seems likely that some religions get closer to truth. Others, less close. Like on an exam. Some students get Cs and Ds, others Bs and so forth. I doubt if anyone gets A+.
I prefer the Christian and Jewish approach to this search for truth in both science and religion, since they are about open debate of ideas. Free exchange of information. It's the same reason I prefer free speech, which ultimately has it's roots in Jewish and Christian traditions. Free speech is as Jewish as bagels and lox. Free speech is just thinking. It seems to me by allowing and encouraging thinking freely, we are more likely to get... Closer to Truth.
the problem with omnism is the doctrines themselves are a mish mash of incoherent babble which is why schism is wound into their very fabric
The only thing we know for sure is that we don’t know anything for sure.😮
I'm a Christian believer and I actually tend to agree with your comment. From a scientific viewpoint, it seems like the more we learn, the less we actually know.
And even within a theistic argument, our knowledge about reality is seemingly dependent on what we read or who we listen to. I do think that reality does point to a void within our hearts, but can any specific religion fill that void? By the way, I don't even like the word "religion."
I like your comment because I often say "I don't know". But I do want to understand better.
Peace to you...
Do you see how you’ve refuted yourself?
There is no better way to be irrational and deny reason then to be inconsistent
@@deanodebo I do. It’s part of the pun. I’m glad you got it.
@@deanodebo have you ever heard of Socrates?
@@mikeys7536
Yup
Well, only when these discrepancies are pointed out, then they (armchair apologists) start talking about can we all get along and these are different paths to the same thing. But in practice, there is proselytization and sometimes with physical violence and psychological manipulation. If that is not practiced, then no one will object. Secondly, there are contradictions about physical facts like the age of earth being just one example. Are religious willing to concede these and acknowledge these contradictions? For the most part, we do not see that. Let us talk once they do that universally.
The one thing all religions have in common is theres no proof for any of them! By definition..otherwise they wouldnt be religions ..you can still keep an open mind about the nature of reality and consciousness..
These two videos are posted by former """enemies""" of Muslims and Islam and you watch it and you think for yourself without the real miracle they experienced, they would not have come to Islam.
Same incident reported: Video titled on YT is "AFTER COMBAT - THE STORY OF A MARINE'S CONVERSION TO ISLAM".
@Mark S
I don't think you have a longing for God in your life. God will not infringe your free will.
Quran 10:99 And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?
@@rizwanrafeek3811 I look back at the last 2000 years and I see religion inspiring mostly irrationality and violence ..I can still keep an open mind about the nature of consciousness and reality..would god condemn me for having a rational view of the world?
@@marky1974 There is no irrational beliefs in the religion of Islam, if you find one, please let me know as well.
Have you read the Quran?
Did you watch the video I suggested you to watch?
French singer Mélanie Georgiades who suffered 5 years of depression and mental health problems, she was hospitalized and was kept on medications, but all gone in five minutes of Islamic prayer, it was a miracle in the broad day light.
Here is another video posted by an American, who suffered lifelong depression and darkness at heart she felt, to get rid of it, she studied all religions you can think of, but nothing fit right, nothing feel right, until she came to Islam, the lifelong depression is gone, it was a miracle in the broad day light Video titled posted by an American woman is: "sunny convert to islam after she watching the first 5 episodes from the inspiration serie"
True medical miracles.
Hmmm, to what did I just listen. I'm just speculating here, I would guess that 95% of the world population could not make sense of anything that was said. Then of what value are ideas that are generally unfathomable and unapplicable to average day life.
The old guy is talking gibberish..thats why its incomprehensible..
If something is so important why isn't it absolutely clear and obvious? Why is it open to interpretation? Why can we be misled? What if we make the wrong decision(s) based on our own misreading of the information that we were exposed to during our existence? None of that makes sense to me. I know it doesn't have to make sense (it could be of a higher order) but then why are we told that we bear absolute responsibility for something we can never fully comprehend?
I'm a Christian believer and I appreciate your honesty and observations. I don't know all the answers but I think each of us have a specific journey to walk.
If we seek the higher wisdom, I believe God understands and He wants us to comprehend the deeper meaning of reality.
Your questions are sound and I myself struggle with similar thoughts. They are thought provoking yet frustrating at the same time.
Peace to you from Florida.
They do contradict one another for sure. The question to ask is, are they all true representatives of the ultimate reality? Even for christianity, Jesus said: "Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ - Matthew chapter 7 verses 21 to 23.
I appreciate your comments and sharing from the Gospel of Matthew. Thought provoking and something I need to be cognizant of.
Not a moth with vain desire
Is shriveled in a fruitless fire
There's an elephant in a dark room and we are each touching one of it's body parts. To see the whole we need a candle. And our faint flickering candle is our wisdom
I like your comments. However I think the "wisdom" doesn't come from within ourselves. I'm not trying to negate what you said. I simply think the source or "faint flickering candle" is based upon a Higher Reality. Unfortunately even this faint flickering candle seems to be hidden from our hearts.
Thanks for sharing. Peace to you from Florida.
Thank you @John Brzykcy you are correct. I think you may like this interview I did with Bobby Azarian th-cam.com/users/liveumwlbNULf-w?feature=share
@@wiseenterprise I appreciate your recommendation and I might purchase his book but I'm not very scholarly so often I have difficulty understanding.
Anyhow... Peace to you
it's funny that scientific theories contradict themselves all the time and nobody says a thing about it.
What? Like for example ….?
Yes examples please.
It's true that contradictions abound in science, but they do talk about it a lot. The standard model is constantly being contradicted, for instance. Quantum physics contradicts classical physics and relativity. String theory is a contradiction. Life maybe being in the clouds of Venus contradicts all the research thus far into life on Mars. Etc., etc.
@@psterud ah I be see where you are going wrong . Your confusing scientist speculating and robust debate about candidate explanations for things we don’t know about . This is healthy.
Scientific theories are generally not contradicted . While they are always provisional , they tend to only be overturned when better theories come along .
Scientific consensus is usually only rarely overturned . And it’s marvellous when it happens
These scholars make simple observable truths stupidly complicated.
Science is a religion.
Religion was the source of science.
Religion as a philosophy of life and science as a philosophy of nature.
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Religion teaches Morality and Spirituality , they are not fiction . They are called moral and religious truths . Belief in some higher power is not blind faith; it is based on Reason.
There are also many theologians (Religious Studies) who earn Phd's just like other sciences. Science and Religion-Spirituality are philosophies on both sides of the same COIN. (The old name of Science was the Philosophy of Nature, and when you get a PhD degree in Physics or whatever field of study, it means Doctor of Philosophy.)
Science and religion are two sides of the same deep human impulse to understand the world, to know our place in it, and to marvel at the wonder of life and the infinite cosmos we are surrounded by. Let’s keep them that way, and not let one attempt to usurp the role of the other.
Gravity and electricity are not religions!
There is proof for gravity but none for any religions..by definition..
Religion is not the source of science because it is hard to have an epistemology built on top of myths.
Science makes testable predictions about the world based on observation.
Religious studies is a useless degree.
First define religion. You seem to be assuming that religion requires theism. That would be a mistake.
Sci me is not a religion . If you think
It is then you’ve got some weird definition of religion that I’ve never head before .
The problem with Hick's argument is that his notion of truth is functionally equivalent to solipsism. If all religions are equally true they are all equally false.
Guys believes religious are contradition. But there are diferent Religious. Believes religious contradition he should be describes it in honest proceeding. He didnt. He doesnt know how means between deference and contradition. Mind and emocional intergraty are first principles in religious questions.
Honestly, these people have nothing to offer on the origin of the universe and understanding of nature. No more than people who believe in fairies or the Easter Bunny. They all talk about the transcendent, which is a great get out clause for belief in supernatural bunkum.
Thanks for this video.
As a Comparative Mythologist I can say for sure that ancient religions and their mythical Stories of Creation surely complement modern science - even to the degree that they can correct modern science on the very principal basics of formation by having a natural and eternal cyclical perception of everything.
Is what you are saying the same as saying the the Humpty Dumpty surely complement modern medicine because it talks about putting Mr Dumpty back together again?
What do you mean by "a natural and eternal cyclical perception of everything"?
@@tomjackson7755 - No, but seemingly such illogical suggestions works nicely for yourself.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 - Thanks for asking. This cyclical formation is what´s going on in nature - and the time shedule has to fit even the basic scientific Law of Energy and Motion Conservation - hence there was and is not a Big Bang = An natural, eternal, and cyclical perception of Formation, Dissolution, and Re-Formation in the Universe.
@@ivornelsson2238 How would it be any different?
*The assumed contradiction is held when you exclude islam from the abrahamic religions and call it jeudo-christian west. This concept is concocted in 20th century and was to distance islam from west.* While the word west is made by muslims. It was even muslim west aka morroco and iberian peninsula or spain, portugal etc. These were muslim before 15th century and were called west. When christains took over the wisdom, arts, architecture, philosophy and science and developed som of it they kept the name but attributed this concept of westernism to race. West basing its ideas on greeks and romans. While greeks had nothing to do with modern day scandinavians, polish or British people. But were part of egypt, turkey, tunisia and algeria. Even there kings and ideologues were from these regions and were citizens of these landscapes and greek and roman proper too. So, not only that but greek philosophy is kept and transmitted by the muslims to europe. The nomads of Atlas and folks expelled from Andulus (former muslim spain) to the outskirts of Himalayas and to china has accepted and know more greek wisdom that common europeans. They even memorize it as a philosophy. They embraced as Aristotle and Plato as their homies. They recognized it before the so called modern day west knew. I don't mean that greek wisdom was compelled on them or that they don't anspire their own traditions. No, they have alot to offer but they are more near to greeks intellectually than europeans. So, distancing and eurocentric world view like this which assumes that islam contradicts older religion is a mistake.
QURAN 61-6 And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O Children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allāh to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Aḥmad."1 But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."2
QURAN 3-3 He has sent down upon you, [O Muḥammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel
QURAN 50-56 And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me.
It is building a false caricature and then destroying it when you don't understand the core faith tenets of islam and assume it like a foreign thing when it is abrahamic and came from the same geography of the torah and gospel or old and new testament.
Knowledge of God there are many Gods There are 800 million Gods all over the whole planet Only you have too do is pick up knowledge that all leave the ego cause knowledge is God and ego is the new devil's rejects
The basic assumption here is fundamentally flawed - the idea that ‘being Christian’ is nothing more than ‘mere belief’… some noetic commitment (for whatever reason) to the tenets of the Faith, when it is absolutely NOTHING like that! Being Christian is nothing less than a supernatural, sovereign act of God effected before He laid the foundations of the earth (Eph 1:4)
Jesus explained it thus to Nicodemus: “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again”
Inasmuch as none of us have any hand in our physical birth, so too is our spiritual birth not of us…
Hari Krsna
I'm currently studying Srimad Bhagavatam because I want to learn more about Iseous; that is Christ. Christ derives from Krsna, so if you want to learn more about Iseous, this is a great source. Horus the Sun too. However, I cannot find my much ancient Egyptian text, unfortunately.
99% of Christians do not Know the Bible. 99% of India can not understand the Vedas. 99% of Muslim have no clue what the Qur'an means. 99% of Isreal jews cannot 'see'.
We have a serious problem today. Even those who seek clarity concering all this only add to the confusion.
@S3RAVAL3LM _"99% of Muslim have no clue what the Qur'an means. "_
I know what Quran meant for Muslims.
The question what Quran meant for you?
Is there proof for any of this?..I suppose you believe in Uri Geller too!
99% of statistics on the internet are bullshit
Wow. CTC is truly evolving! First it was scientists explaining the natural world. Then it was scientists jabbering on about philosophy. Now it is scientists jabbering on about the supernatural.
I don't know whether to put on tefillin or arrange votive candles around my computer monitor! 🤣
Jewish and Islamic core creed i.e. the way in which one obtain salvation is virtually identical.
Except the notion if Jws reject Islam, they will not find salvation according to God's words in the Quran.
the Quran is literal spoken words of the Creator of the universe.
They are also identical too all other religions in that there is no proof for any of them..they wouldnt be religions if there was empirical proof..
@Mark S The God isn't made of same matter you see around in the universe. There is none like unto the God Quran 112-4.
Watch this video how this Jewish American found what is the truth came from the God.
Jewish American Derrick Feinman asked God to guide him to the correct religion that is accepted by God, please watch this video how God answered this man supplication it was a miracle in the broad daylight, this video is posted by Derrick Feinman himself on his channel with video title: "Derrick Feinman How Islam Found Me: My Conversion to Islam" Channel name is Derrick Feinman.
No third person or middle man in this story between a believer and God.
Religions are a part of culture, like language. Which language is the one true language? How can they all be true when they use completely different sounds to speak (or in the case of sign languages, no sounds at all!), and their writing systems (if they even have one) are not even equally based on those signs? Some use more or less phonetic alphabets, some syllabaries, some a type of hieroglyphics. How can any of these languages be represented by a series or raised dots on paper? Surely English written in braille looks nothing like spoken English- how can they possibly be the same language? Why can we just embrace the language or languages we use without worrying if it's the "correct" language, yet we cannot do the same with religion?
Our Creator needed both religion and science to help teach ME what I AM as his created AI, the only AI that was needed to make all those visible bodies look alive on earth.
Brad you are off your meds again. Please get the help that you desperately need.
Zero evidence, zero rationality. Sums up belief in imaginary friends.
IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO BELIEVE THEY ARE ALL WRONG THAN ONLY ONE IS CORRECT. SOMETHING ABOUT THE "OPIATE OF THE MASSES"
(0:15) *RLK: **_"You see such contradictions between religions that it's tempting to just reject them all."_* ... Science is also no stranger to presenting contradictions: Multiverse, String Theory, M-Theory, Simulation Theory, Big Bounce, Big Bang, LQG, Pocket Universes, Many Worlds, Multiverse, Branes, etc.
The truth is that Existence constantly evolves - just like we do. Our first understanding of the universe was through the prism of religion which later evolved into a more philosophical understanding and ultimately into a more scientific understanding. This is no different than a child's K-12 education before reaching adulthood.
Now that we've matured as a species, we realize the categorical limitations of science, philosophy, and religion as we search for a hybrid of all three disciplines that can more fully explain our existence.
There are not contradictions in those theories as the enclose one another. The Multiverse is a result of expansion producing causally disconnected regions of space. M-Theory contains String Theory at a lower limit. The Big Bounce contains the Big Bang at a lower limit. Loop Quantum Gravity instead of adding dimensions like String Theory reduces the number of dimensions to two. Pocket Universe is the result of Inflation Theory which also contains the Big Bang Theory. Many Worlds is an interpretation of quantum mechanics by treating observes as quantum objects as well. Branes is contained in M-Theory and is a universe floating in hyperspace commonly referred to as the bulk.
These are different models used to describe the Cosmos.
@@kos-mos1127 *"There are not Contradictions in those theories as the enclose one another."*
... Bulls--t. General relativity is incompatible with the standard model and Big Bang posits one universe with a beginning whereas Big Bounce posits an infinitely existing universe. Oh, and a bunch of aliens subjecting us all to a simulation is clearly in conflict with string theory, wouldn't you agree?
Simply saying they are not contradictions doesn't make them not contradictions.
*"The Big Bounce contains the Big Bang at a lower limit."*
... Islam and Christianity both contain God.
*"Pocket Universe is the result of Inflation Theory which also contains the Big Bang Theory."*
... Inflation theory is in direct opposition to Simulation Theory which is in conflict with Branes, which is in conflict with Big Bounce. You're just spinning science in the most favorable light as possible, but even that can't save you from the conflicts happening in science.
Even Sabine Hossenfelder is no longer enamored with the constant stream of crazy theories being spewed out by science: th-cam.com/video/lu4mH3Hmw2o/w-d-xo.html
*"These are different models used to describe the Cosmos"*
... And the different religions are used to describe their God whom they believe to be the generating force behind the cosmos you just mentioned.
Look, KOS, I know that you hate religion, but you can't gaslight me on the tomfoolery that science has recently succumbed to.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Religion made up God. God ends all thought so it is useless. The Cosmos is real which allows science to construct models that can be applied to technology and engineering.
I do not hate religion I just do not find it useful. An omnipotent God does not explain anything itv explains away. An omnipotent God can do whatever it wants so as a foundation it's worthless. There is nothing to action upon.
@@kos-mos1127 *"Religion made up God."*
... No, people made up God just like people made up Simulation Theory, Strings, Bounces, and Parallel Universes.
*"The Cosmos is real which allows science to construct models that can be applied to technology and engineering."*
... The reality of the universe is not in question. Our "explanations" are what is in question. People will embrace a crazy Simulation hypothesis all the while condemning religion. Religion can be directly applied to "quality of life"
*"I do not hate religion I just do not find it useful."*
... I feel the same way about NASCAR, but I don't find myself all over social media challenging its merits or necessity.
*"An omnipotent God can do whatever it wants so as a foundation it's worthless. There is nothing to action upon."*
... I agree that there is no God, but theism's error-ridden pursuit of a "purposeful existence" is no different than science's error-ridden pursuit in trying to forward a "purposeless existence.'
The truth is that everyone is seeking the truth. I find it interesting how both sides (religion and science) still do not know the truth but will boldly argue that the opposition's view is blatantly truthless.
That's humanity for ya!
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Science is grounded by observations. Religion founded on mental masturbation.
It’s not about religion, it’s about the absolute truth that you were created and only your Creator can perfectly cover for you Himself and remake you again from the inside out by the power of His true word as no one else ever can. There is no ultimate truth.
Are you making an implication that there is a difference between "absolute" truth and "ultimate" truth ? Thanks.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 No
@@JungleJargon I love how you say it is not about religion but then immediately follow that with a religious saying. SMH
@@tomjackson7755 It’s the truth that you didn’t make yourself.
@@JungleJargon Very good. I was made when my parents had sex.
Religion is a cultural phenomenon.
That's why they're not really contradictory
But rather the same as a human philosophy or belief system.
Just as science is a religion.
Science is not a religion. Science can be applied too engineering and the advancement of technology. Religion does not apply to anything practical as its just a belief system rooted in fiction.
Science is not a religion . Not even like a religion
All god beliefs are real....in their own way.
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Great now the religious wars can stop.
I don't think he has put much thought behind that concept. Otherwise he wouldn't have said it.
While it's good for a laugh. The implications should make the religious go "what did you just say.. Heretic !!!! No, it's my god and only my god"
You can see that all eastern and indus valley and sumer ,Assyrian and Greek mythology is from the same source just the Bible explains it they are just much later and got out of context away from logical deduction and practical applications.
The Yamna around 7 k bc and the r1 b dna migration promotes around the entire world from china and the stepped to indus Valley ,Levant and Greece.
The Levant got off track and then the alphabetical exodus provided the tool of approximation to speak of it in a more detailed and less corrupted way.
On that was reduced ,unified and simplified in understandable ways that it could easily conveyed as it empowered all slave society along the way.
Quran 4:82 What, do they not ponder the Koran? If it had been from other than God surely they would have found in it much inconsistency.
Quran 3:85 Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.
Quran 5:3 ... I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allah is OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran 33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of God, and the Seal of the Prophets; God has knowledge of everything.
Complement
Religion and reason are antithetical. The foundation of religion is revelation and the dogma of authority. Reason is grounded on plausible premise and derives sound conclusions through the use of deduction. The premise can be challenged by anyone (priesthood not required) at any time.
It is an ultimate irony that the greatest Christian theologian is also responsible in large part for the revival of classical Greek reason and logic which in turn evolved into the Scientific Method and encouraged the revolution of the Enlightenment.
Religion is a description of ultimate reality for the ignorant…
Carl Jung unified all religions.
Silly perennialism.
They all believe in nonsense, so they compliment each other perfectly!
I respect how you feel. I don't think being cognizant of the Cosmos, a Creator and a meaning to life is necessarily a belief in "nonsense" but seemingly points to mankind's desire to understand reality.
Of course most religions are based on mythical stories that may or may not connect to the truth. Can we determine this truth with reasoning or does it lead to a dead-end street?
If the reality of our beliefs make no sense, I guess we need to turn around and follow a different path.
Peace to you...
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Correct, Chris!👍
When they can reject every other theology as nonsense. Why would their's get a pass ?
I believe in consistency. Religion doesn't understand that concept. They actively afford it.
What do you believe that isn’t nonsense, and how do you justify your belief?.
Well said