I got energy again when I was desperate at 47 and decided to just focus on the basics (nothing else). Nutrition, hydration, sleep and outside time. Then I added meditation and some yoga. My brain fog, lethargy and depression disappeared and I suddenly had all the energy I needed and the hardest part was overcoming the messes I made while sick and depressed. Anyway, I now believe 80% of our struggles can be fixed with good food and avoiding bad foods 7 years later and I’m a completely different person.
Amazing to hear this @jenmdawg! Can you please share more details of your journey, especially nutrition and hydration, and anything else you are comfortable with. Many of us are on the same path. Thank you.
It depends. I know many with chronic fatigue syndrome who don’t improve after even having perfect diets, myself included. My health or energy didn’t improve at all until I started integrating my shadow
Food is super important, but so is sleep, movement, meditation and peace and loving something or someone. I got tons of energy every time I helped others. Highly recommend.
From a strictly physical perspesctive - I turn eighty on 11/11/23 and try to lap swim at least several times per week. My experience has been that I have to use energy in order to have energy. Perhaps there's a psychic corollary. I do know that any time I've engaged in creative pursuits, it's left me energized also.
Thank you. Couldn’t be more appropriate and timely for me. I’m approaching 30, work a simple job in a supermarket and have been frustrated by my inability to create a more meaningful life for myself for years now. I feel I have potential to “be a lot more” but I’m finding it very difficult to establish a direction and act on it. My childhood was full of challenging experiences to say the least, which I feel has been cutting off energy for me to the present day. I’ve sought out help through various channels, including Jungian therapy. Next week I’ll be starting breath and bodywork therapy with the intention of processing childhood trauma that is still in my system somehow. I’ll leave it at that for now, thank you guys.
Hey friend this may be of some help or not, but one thing that has helped me a lot is the art of the present moment. To just fully immerse yourself in whatever task you are doing. Whether it's stocking a rack with cans or doing something more technical. Everyday life things. This will help clear a lot of unnecessary thoughts and overthinking that sometimes can be an energy block to us. The I, becomes redundant and gets in our own way of success sometimes. And it sounds way too simple. But just give yourself to each moment without dwelling and you may find yourself one day with a different outlook on everything. And maybe circumstance too.🙏☮️
Perhaps a more meaningful life isn't about some grand things or achievements. Perhaps we all feel somewhere deep inside that life wasn't supposed to feel like slavery and living for work. We know on a deeper level that we were meant to be kinder, more loving, more free and fun... If we can't change the world in a big way this hot minute, maybe we can change how we live daily. Like being patient with people who are serving us our coffee, someone whose face looks irritated and tortured and to remember that they too struggle to have a meaningful and nicer life. Sorry if I'm rambling, but this topic is very fascinating to me, so I get carried away 😊 But, maybe it will inspire you. Hope so.
14:20 *great* input from Joseph. "Libido can never be apprehended except in the definite form. That is to say, it is identical to fantasy images. And we can only release it from the grip of the unconscious by bringing up the corresponding fantasy images." (Volume VII of Complete Works) There isn't room for them to acknowledge or identify their own fantasy images. It's as if a set of values has been placed around their imaginations. You need to be able to recoup the cost of your college expenses or whatever the rules are you are not permitted to fantasize or to allow the unconscious to just talk to you in terms of fantasies. As soon as that process is alienated, we're kind of at sea without a ores or without an engine. Because it's the fantasies that move us along.
All my life I’ve thought & even said. I’m from the Jungian school of thought…(Over Freud) & I went no further. Listening the conversations here. I was right. I’m glad my algorithms have introduced me to this articulate channel. Glad to be here.
12:59 young people are also faced with questioning what they can choose as a profession that will not be fully replaced by AI in the next few years. No generation knows the future, but we are facing intense change. This is a scary- exciting- anxiety inducing time
23:48 this is a description of ADHD , it's a executive disorder, we are big dreamers and we know a lot but we can't mantaiim the attention,we have dozens of ideas per day , but there's no focus , libido as you say . Pre frontal cortex part can't communicate with the back part lol 🤣 I don't remember the words 😢 but I think there's something in this ADHD and libido
Why can’t you focus though? Just train your frontal lobe. They say it’s a dopamine issue but why aren’t you creating dopamine while chasing your dream? Do you not believe you’re capable?
@uniqueusername22337 it's a bit like saying to an insomniac: why don't you try sleeping more ? I mean.. yeah, sure, we'll try. It just causes more alienation and identification. You don't massage a sore muscle, it causes more inflammation. You approach it in an indirect way. With ADHD, you can take a pill and that's it... or you can create a terrain that's conducive to the less "inflammatory" triggers possible....
Humans who have the opportunity (space-time-economics) to explore their inner world eventually realize that we are sooo programmed-conditioned-socialized-groomed to think & act & be certain ways...even in our imagination with dreams & fantasies. Growing up with various media platforms from tv & WhollyWeird Hollywood to now social media has installed ideas that we think are ours?! Most people don't really know themselves authentically. It's not just the youth...it's been going on for a long time & bit by bit dome are breaking through & chiselling away to find themselves & their inner truth.
Love your teachings, you share the wisdom and knowledge need it to understand the self. I would like to learn more of the lost soul, and methods how to get out of it. Infinity thanks to all of you and your team. Much love.❤
You speak of energy required to for thankless tasks such as odoing taxes. It reminds me of the concept of going to therapy to adjust to an insane world. Taxes? what is this? Can you imagine a life without "taxes"? and still be sufficiently housed, clothed, fed? It is never mentioned, as though multiple houses, cars, children were the only way to live. You are too rich, you have too much. It is possible to live outside the collective consciousness, outside the box. Who will do it? Some do! Process of elimination increased my energy exponentially, like a woman running through the forest shedding clothes as she was chased by the bear. Unburdened, she outruns him. Thank You for this video.
17:39 as someone with a very rich inner world, it’s difficult to fathom being unable to fantasize. Fantasizing helps me process SO many things. I feel like I’d be lost without it. It helps me think about the future, process emotions, figure out how to get the outcome I want and so much else. I feel what the universey woo-woo side of the internet calls “manifestation” is actually exercises in adaptive fantasizing (as opposed to maladaptive fantasizing, which is basically being lost in self delusion). These “manifestation” practices and exercises get people to think about what they really want in life. They get people to picture themselves actually living that life and what it would look like. Which inevitably leads to the thought process of what it would take to get there. And so on and so forth.
43:22 Jung speaks of childhood energy this way because nothing was known of flow states and peak experience beyond Buddhist and Daoist ideas. The child is the wise old man, the wise old man honours the free nature of the eternal, not only the childish sense of it.
This discussion is brilliant. As a community college teacher you have given me lots of ideas to help connect my students with their pure energy. I felt existential terror listening to the first part about the speed of change and uncertainty and would love to hear you deep dive into that.
Was just going over this last night. it's like finding the energy to move a giant trrain. The inital amount of energy to get the train moving and the weels turning is monumental at times
The power of small steps! When you take one tiny step, you will realize that it's not hard at all. Then the next day, another tiny step. And just trust the process. You will be amazed. 🎉
First, I so appreciate what you bring to us, your audience, ànd how you present it. That said, I believe there are two enervating sides to current life for many. One is the sudden or gradual realisation that nothing is as it seems. Corruption of many many kinds surrounds so many of us. Two, where are the opportunities for personal creativity: yes this is related to Jung's libido. We forget how important our creativity is. (I bring mine to making our meals, cooking in general. This includes finding the right/best ingredients. On and on this goes and is so nourishing inwardly. P.S. I will find a way to be a patreon of yours. Thank you.
Love the comment about people having energy for different things. I gate packing, dealing with clutter and so I don't, and i do it poorly and rather fo outside and garden, where i have lots of energy.
I confess that I have not heard the whole discussion yet, I am about half an hour in. I just have a question, if someone has had a breakthrough and have identified a grief energy and have started the healing process, how do they integrate the healing with their day to day behaviours? I have gone through this myself recently, I am using a lot of deep work, poetry, I have a symbolic totem a toy duck(long story), I am trying to put myself out there work and socially. But it's hard after decades of stuck energy and living small, any tips you jungians can give to check that I am not falling into an old story, a mantra perhaps? Having gained ground I want to stick to the true north, I appreciate that I will have to course correct daily. But if there's a practical approach to this? I am ready to absorb that fruit whole heartedly. Sorry if you cover this, I just wanted to ask before I forgot before the conversation moved on.
I think after a breakthrough of the kind you're talking about, being kind to yourself is important in the integration process. We all like to have goals to work on in our personal growth process, but sometimes even the ambition in that can get in the way of healing and moving forward. Patience and kindness towards yourself, allowing yourself to exist and feel and take your time every day without feeling like you need to push yourself into profound experience. Just be and just breathe; your breakthrough is enough to carry you through into the next phases of your life.
Relating so much! Another synchronous event! And the recommendations from Deb and Lisa are golden! And taking in Joseph's comments, I'm never using the word "optimizing" again!
"What was I really built for?" and "what is my natural source of energy?" are key questions for me because society wants us all to have energy for specific purposes and that's not nature's way.
Good for you man, I have just recently and I am subscribed. So far so good and I can't wait to see the new work you are doing. Dont doubt yourself, you are going to make it ❤
In the Bhagavad Gita life is one hundred percent described as a battle. It is the “Battle of Kurukshetra”. The battle between good and evil, a battle every single one of us is engaged in.
I think it's not just about good vs evil, but also right vs wrong, even if it's were againts your own family. You must fulfill your duty and prove your alignment with the rightful, thus achieve the meaning of sacrifice and detachment.
I have had a dream about climbing a mountain and seeing a being upsidedown in the sky and his head was a full moon.l would love to talk to Lisa and I love the show, thanks 😀🙏🌴🌞!
Oh wow. What an incredible episode?! Such a lot in there that feels so useful. Anyone have any more signposts re Hermes Trismagistus? I know the Tarot, but hadn’t learned this depth. Feels like pulling up a net from a deep sea and seeing it connects to many of the my odd buoys that float (or have broken unexpectedly through) the surface of my “ordinary”, left-brained life .
On the topic related to all people having different energy levels, I believe this is true and can be confirmed through astrology. The Sun signifies our life force and vitality. My Sun sign is Capricorn. This is a cold, dry, dense earth energy. Depression is very common for Capricorns. People that are fire signs have more energy (Aries, Leo, Saggittarius).
YES! The answer starts in astrology, imo! Carl Jung understood this too. I'm super surprised these 3 don't know, or don't care to mention that. I'm a Capricorn rising myself and have had severe depression all my life. There are indicators all through my natal chart energy though. I have an Aries Sun and 3H/4H stellium, but my Anaretic Gemini Moon has my mind working overtime all of the time, even my sleep is over- stressed. I know for sure my energy is drained from CPTSD. My mind has to work to stay present and flashbacks throughout my day drain me. All of this is in my chart too. Saturn is currently transiting my natal Pisces mars and I am having a hell of a time being motivated. I think Human Design (which also has astrology) could help as well.
HIGH or Low Energy: Where Can We Source the Drive to Take Action? Excellent video subject to explore! Yet, to answer this important question, involves not only details herein, but perspectives from the ZEROth order of reality: What is ENERGY? Do we truly have 'Free Will' or is there a divine plan (God's Will) that governs the Potential of Hydrogen? Who am i (really) as an H²O species? What's a per Sun's of light specific blueprint (e.g. Astrology, Human Design, Gene Keys, Palmistry, etc). Without comprehension of these basic axioms, all puzzles are riddles to guess in academe. The physical world reveals limitations on INFORMATION, but raw data, in terms of individual energetics, will help one 'source' all drives to action.
The proverbial stick doesn't exactly work with a PDAer autistic person. Negative reinforcement does not work. Actually, it does quite the opposite. If I thought, if I don't write my career is over and I'll be living in the gutter, what happens is that my mind goes into complete overwhelm and I shut down. What we need is to feel like we have a choice between productive options, so for example I can get up and either write today, or I can do chores. That's what helps us to get moving. That is how my mind works, period. The sooner I accepted it, the sooner my productivity began to improve. People's minds are ultimately built differently, so it stands to reason that we need to find the source of our blockages to find workarounds.
I appreciate this comment so much, thank you! I agree, some people are wired a bit differently and get drained completely of their energy, when a spcialist puts them into the wrong box and works with them on a problem by sticking to tasks and guidelines that are completely incompatible with the actual needs of their patient. I spend my whole childhood in very unstable and abusive circumstances with constant negative reinforcement. By the time I left my family and did my best to survive on my own, I was already completely burned out of any capacity to react in any positive way to negative reinforcement. Obviously it didn't go very well for me at school or work, where the people in charge liked to "motivate" their subordinates by painting negative scenarios, fear tactics, shaming, silly punishments and even more pressure. Whenever I would ask about the benefits and rewards for "not failing" and I suggested that positive reeinforcement might be a better way to motivate people, I was usually singled out as a trouble maker. People treated me like I was crazy for questioning the status quo and asking for any accomodations like permission for working in a more quiet corner, wearing headphones or working from home whenever I saw other people being allowed to work from home. They would usually act extremely offended for even asking, yell at me some more and then wonder why my results were declining. That vicious spiral of being declined anything that could possibly help me be more productive without hurting anybody, just because nobody else would "needs that", being called more frequently by superiors for "talks" that were more and more threatening instead of motivating, and being judged even harsher and watched more closely, and then also having coworkers turn against me and gossiping about me, would lead to inevitable burnout. Sometimes I would do the unthinkable, whenever I would say something like "could you stop berating me and tell me openly how I am supposed to improve if you keep denying all of my requests? Can I maybe work late shifts, when it's more quiet and there are fewer people around? Can I be transferred to a different department?". I was usually told something like "If you want such extraordinary priviledges, then your would have to provide exraordinary results and right now, you are struggling to provide average results". Discussions with such people were completely nonsensical. I only did extremely well at work, when I was treated with respect by my superiors and when I was granted the freedom to make all those small adjustments for myself without being dismissed or critisized. Unfortunately, it would always come to an end, when a good boss was promoted for another position and replaced with a bad one, or when a company of a certain department I liked, was closed down, or when the job was limited by a deadline and it was simply done, or when I had to leave a job due to a sudden crisis in my private life. There wasn't much I could do about it. No therapy would really work for me, even when I was in crisis and desperate to change. No one ever considered diagnosing me with autism, no one would ever consider the possibility that my state was an adequate response to those struggles I had to deal with, because every therapist I ever met would use the same scripts to make me question my needs even more, especially saying things like "If everyone else is doing ok under those circumstances, then you're the only one struggling, then how high is the probability that you are right and everyone else is wrong? If nobody else is struggling that much, then You are the common denominator in every case, you are the problem and You have to adapt.". They might have worded all that a bit differently, but it ammounted to the same message every time. There wasn't much understanding or consideration for my perspective, I was just seen as deffective. I was prescribed all kinds of pills that only made things worse for me by impeding my ability to function at all in the short term and causing serious health issues in the long term. I had to give up on any standard healthcare completely, since everything I did to heal myself within the system for over a decade, only made things worse for me instead of improving anything. To this day, I have no idea why it's so difficult for people to comprehend, that more respectful and supportive environments, might benefit everybody, they're not just insane priviledges that I made up for myself. I didn't try to get "special treatment" despite being undeserving of it (that would be the most common accusation aimed at me). I would be perfectly happy if everyone was treated with more positive regard at work, school or any other social space. I didn't want those things to gain the upper hand over anybody, I wanted everyone to be able to access resources for their personal needs. I know that's the thing employers feared - that if they accomodate the needs of one person, everyone else might make special requests. What's the alternative? Keeping everybody miserable and harrasing the most sensitive people out of their work completely? Is that really sustainable? Is it really okay to treat people in lower positions like crap to "motivate" them? I think that's stupid. Most workplaces that I was harassed out of, broke down after a while anyway and most superiors who disrepected me, were exposed after I left. They could have taken my suggestions more seriously and improve, but it was so much easier for them to scapegoat me and think they've got rid of the problem. Sorry for the wall of text. Your comment struck a chord in me. I think it's important to consider some outlier cases and including them to improve systemic failures, instead of pushing everyone into the same mold, and then shifting blame and getting angry when those structures degenerate.
This episode is my whole life. I want to manifest ideas, I understand it takes work and I do the work but I can never finish, even though I know finishing is the most important part. But I just can’t seem to get to the finish line and I can never figure out why. Makes me very depressed cause there are ideas in my head but I don’t even want to attempt to put them into action because of my experience. So I have super low energy? Even my libido is low.
The ad that segued after Joseph Lee said “…and it would give us so much ‘freak out!’ (song plays)…thank you.” Was that intentional? 😂 Loving This Jungian Life ! My shadow shelf brought me to this channel.
Just shown your channel by someone. I don’t study anything or any of these philosophies but am familiar with them. Sometimes these spontaneous ideas, such as “Killimanjaro” are of the subconscious and are more complex than you think. Such as a pieced out reflection of society and self combined in one neat little package as a metaphor for both. Coldness, adventure or lack there of, personal solitude, all the way to the the actual wordage containing “kill, man, jar” as an unconscious suppressed fear of war or the ongoing deaths that are presently occurring and known through media, jarring but also potentially in your own jar in your mind where you’d be more comfortable containing it, and this thought telling the thinker that nothing is truly contained.
59:04 basic creativity is the natural state, sense of curiosity. It is only because of the sexualisatjon of energy that it appears to be a sex drive. People are naturally curious about how things feel, how people perform, whether they are gay or hetro, etcetero
Please spell satisficing and explain what it is. Also, what do you suggest for people with a genetic problem that makes you very tired from pain, such as Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome?
I think at times in this discussion, these analysts confuse 'energy' with 'vitality'. They are not synonymous terms. You can have all the energy in the world, and never thrive, whereas one with vitality can't not thrive. Vitality is an embodied state which, especially when it is sustained, is the very 'mode' in which one experiences oneself as 'thriving'.
I think it is also elemental in terms of astrology, earthy signs are more linear, water is fluid and abstract. Also, in ascending in consciousness one works through their concrete mind in their mental realm, then they move into the abstract for awhile to do the really fiery work. Then when one is close to achieving Christ consciousness, the work entails blending the concrete and abstract. It’s a beautiful but difficult process.
Terrific insights, thanks. I had a dream last night which I’d like to work with. What advice does anyone have for people starting out on working with their own dreams?
The panel may be unaware of the prevelance of unidentified neurodivergence and monotropic mental patterning. Extraordinarily bright creative young man with OCD, a strong spiritual awareness described is shut down masking. I'll bet an autism assessment would shed light on this individual. A sensative, intelligent spiritually aware individual is a description of a neurodivergent individual. Unempathetic parenting could easily unintentionally traumatise this individual.
Good question. It seems that most people conflate the two. I think people who never seem to stop doing things are those who are primarily driven by the objectives laid out for them in their outer world. These extroverted types don't seem to need or even care about how their inner life responds to their seemingly endless capacity - need - to respond to the object-orders of their particular realities. The kind of energy that defines these go-getters is more along the lines of what I'd call busyness than true vitality. Not surprisingly, these types thrive in busi-ness related fields. The energy that has the quality of vitality seems to come from a different source - not from the outside, as is the case with the busy-bee, but from the inside...from a place of action aligned with deeper values, meanings, a sense of purpose, etc. In today's highly abstracted, technological, and mediated world of social practice, the most common expression of energy comes in the 'form' of busy-ness, whereas its much more rare to come across a person with true vitality.
My verdict is still out, but I'm guessing that the three of you do not consider attachments, energy cords, demons, archons, vampires feeding on loosh, EMF, gmo's, parasites or any of the other maladies and afflictions this era has to offer as being potentially a cause for energy loss that is worth consideration?
If God is in everything you see? I think we all need to ReExamine everything we believe, is God Omnipresent? Is the Creator of everything including energy. so even scientists are beginning to ask that question, wonder why? Exactly what is energy? If the creator of life is in everything? It's not something anyone should risk. If the creator is you and in me.. and everyone you see..forget modern life. Are you willing to bet your life on this? It's not that complicated. . If the creator of energy is in everything and everyone? Then everyone is a VIP. Thar tears down all the barriers and walls. Are you really ready to meet God? Think about that
I thought pretty much the same, until I realized that it's me who needs to slow down. The way this world is unfolding right now is making us all a bit neurotic.
I have struggled my whole life with this 😅I think there is a huge connection with the lack of sexual understanding and expression and joy and fulfillment. Being a male in this generation is like being in a battlefield everyday with landmines everywhere. The worst part is the landmines are directly related to so many things that bring me joy and pleasure. 💀
No physicians are able to test the thyroid, many women's lives are ruined over dopamine deficiency, SNPs, they result in thyroid adrenal hypofunction but the medical community can't Diagnose.
@45:00, I have one of those. He just decided not to work, period. I was supermom, his dad had issues when young but got up to speed, but he just refused to participate. National merit scholar, genius IQ, maxed out problem solving section. 42 now, moved out couple of years ago, is artist, learned to live off web, chess, comic books etc. A wasted life. Has a nice girlfriend, is very good looking. Our other two children very motivated and successful, daughter PhD Psychologist, younger son, very successful broker. Weird.
Maybe he has a different idea of what success is. My "life wasted" was the part where I was miserable and stuck because I spent it trying to live up to other people's ideals and expectations.
I personally find the world withput psychedelics emotionless, boring and under stimulating. Normal life restrictred from emotional energetic visual learning is like a suicide. I find no real joy in normal. If I could choose anything I would not choose the life I currently and time before trying drugs live.
I got energy again when I was desperate at 47 and decided to just focus on the basics (nothing else). Nutrition, hydration, sleep and outside time. Then I added meditation and some yoga.
My brain fog, lethargy and depression disappeared and I suddenly had all the energy I needed and the hardest part was overcoming the messes I made while sick and depressed.
Anyway, I now believe 80% of our struggles can be fixed with good food and avoiding bad foods 7 years later and I’m a completely different person.
This talks to me. May I ask what type of diet you are on? Omnivorous / vegetarian / paleo / vegan / other ?
Bravo❣️👏🏼
Amazing to hear this @jenmdawg! Can you please share more details of your journey, especially nutrition and hydration, and anything else you are comfortable with. Many of us are on the same path. Thank you.
It depends. I know many with chronic fatigue syndrome who don’t improve after even having perfect diets, myself included. My health or energy didn’t improve at all until I started integrating my shadow
Food is super important, but so is sleep, movement, meditation and peace and loving something or someone. I got tons of energy every time I helped others. Highly recommend.
From a strictly physical perspesctive - I turn eighty on 11/11/23 and try to lap swim at least several times per week. My experience has been that I have to use energy in order to have energy. Perhaps there's a psychic corollary. I do know that any time I've engaged in creative pursuits, it's left me energized also.
We share the same birthday, and funnily enough, i have discovered the same for me. I would love to know more about you for some reason.
Sending you belated wishes for a peppy, zesty and very happy Birthday.
Thank you. Couldn’t be more appropriate and timely for me.
I’m approaching 30, work a simple job in a supermarket and have been frustrated by my inability to create a more meaningful life for myself for years now. I feel I have potential to “be a lot more” but I’m finding it very difficult to establish a direction and act on it.
My childhood was full of challenging experiences to say the least, which I feel has been cutting off energy for me to the present day.
I’ve sought out help through various channels, including Jungian therapy. Next week I’ll be starting breath and bodywork therapy with the intention of processing childhood trauma that is still in my system somehow.
I’ll leave it at that for now, thank you guys.
I'm 26 I can relate to this. I'm a loser but don't mind it half the time. Never had an Instagram or anything thats popular with gen z.
❤ beautiful, you might even become a breath and body worker yourself ... and support others on their journey.
Hey friend this may be of some help or not, but one thing that has helped me a lot is the art of the present moment. To just fully immerse yourself in whatever task you are doing. Whether it's stocking a rack with cans or doing something more technical. Everyday life things. This will help clear a lot of unnecessary thoughts and overthinking that sometimes can be an energy block to us. The I, becomes redundant and gets in our own way of success sometimes. And it sounds way too simple. But just give yourself to each moment without dwelling and you may find yourself one day with a different outlook on everything. And maybe circumstance too.🙏☮️
FASFA, until you are educated you can't know what you want.
Perhaps a more meaningful life isn't about some grand things or achievements. Perhaps we all feel somewhere deep inside that life wasn't supposed to feel like slavery and living for work. We know on a deeper level that we were meant to be kinder, more loving, more free and fun... If we can't change the world in a big way this hot minute, maybe we can change how we live daily. Like being patient with people who are serving us our coffee, someone whose face looks irritated and tortured and to remember that they too struggle to have a meaningful and nicer life. Sorry if I'm rambling, but this topic is very fascinating to me, so I get carried away 😊 But, maybe it will inspire you. Hope so.
Taking the fantasy not literally but seriously is a key to tapping into a vein of energy in the psyche. Nice!
I have now listened two times to try to winnow out the gems but it's all so relevant. Deep wisdom. Thank you.
Deborah at around 40:00 voices so much compassion on the topic of failing to launch. What a gift to hear her words
I was looking for a job, and then I found a job. And Heaven knows I’m miserable now.
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14:20 *great* input from Joseph. "Libido can never be apprehended except in the definite form. That is to say, it is identical to fantasy images. And we can only release it from the grip of the unconscious by bringing up the corresponding fantasy images." (Volume VII of Complete Works) There isn't room for them to acknowledge or identify their own fantasy images. It's as if a set of values has been placed around their imaginations. You need to be able to recoup the cost of your college expenses or whatever the rules are you are not permitted to fantasize or to allow the unconscious to just talk to you in terms of fantasies. As soon as that process is alienated, we're kind of at sea without a ores or without an engine. Because it's the fantasies that move us along.
41:28 mood disorder blocking energy - thank you, Deborah
All my life I’ve thought & even said.
I’m from the Jungian school of thought…(Over Freud)
& I went no further.
Listening the conversations here. I was right.
I’m glad my algorithms have introduced me to this articulate channel.
Glad to be here.
12:59 young people are also faced with questioning what they can choose as a profession that will not be fully replaced by AI in the next few years.
No generation knows the future, but we are facing intense change. This is a scary- exciting- anxiety inducing time
Yes and they went thru Covid and are convinced global warming is going to kill us all soon.
No one has to worry about that. Just respond when it happens.
23:48 this is a description of ADHD , it's a executive disorder, we are big dreamers and we know a lot but we can't mantaiim the attention,we have dozens of ideas per day , but there's no focus , libido as you say . Pre frontal cortex part can't communicate with the back part lol 🤣 I don't remember the words 😢 but I think there's something in this ADHD and libido
Why can’t you focus though? Just train your frontal lobe. They say it’s a dopamine issue but why aren’t you creating dopamine while chasing your dream? Do you not believe you’re capable?
@uniqueusername22337 it's a bit like saying to an insomniac: why don't you try sleeping more ? I mean.. yeah, sure, we'll try. It just causes more alienation and identification. You don't massage a sore muscle, it causes more inflammation. You approach it in an indirect way. With ADHD, you can take a pill and that's it... or you can create a terrain that's conducive to the less "inflammatory" triggers possible....
It was nice to hear a dream where things are finally resolved and in balance.
Humans who have the opportunity (space-time-economics) to explore their inner world eventually realize that we are sooo programmed-conditioned-socialized-groomed to think & act & be certain ways...even in our imagination with dreams & fantasies.
Growing up with various media platforms from tv & WhollyWeird Hollywood to now social media has installed ideas that we think are ours?!
Most people don't really know themselves authentically.
It's not just the youth...it's been going on for a long time & bit by bit dome are breaking through & chiselling away to find themselves & their inner truth.
U guys look great...did well to share you're screens with us. Love the conversations and now smiles. ✌️
Love your teachings, you share the wisdom and knowledge need it to understand the self.
I would like to learn more of the lost soul, and methods how to get out of it.
Infinity thanks to all of you and your team.
Much love.❤
Fantasy being the way your unconscious speaks to you.
I am sure your channel is taking off. YOUR QUALITY VIDEOS DESERVE A WIDE AUDIENCE.
1:05:20 Deb and Lisa’s gems here really hit it out of the park!
Simply turning this on and listening for less than a minute and I had an awakening.
You speak of energy required to for thankless tasks such as odoing taxes.
It reminds me of the concept of going to therapy to adjust to an insane world.
Taxes? what is this? Can you imagine a life without "taxes"? and still be sufficiently housed, clothed, fed?
It is never mentioned, as though multiple houses, cars, children were the only way to live.
You are too rich, you have too much. It is possible to live outside the collective consciousness, outside the box.
Who will do it? Some do!
Process of elimination increased my energy exponentially, like a woman running through the forest shedding clothes
as she was chased by the bear. Unburdened, she outruns him.
Thank You for this video.
Would love to hear more specifics about your journey
I always think the video has ended or someone is calling me or video is buffering 😂😂😂😂. I like the way they allow for space to speak. Love it
I'm almost 27 and you described my life perfectly many times, thank you very much, I needed this.
from Sydney with gratitude❤
17:39 as someone with a very rich inner world, it’s difficult to fathom being unable to fantasize. Fantasizing helps me process SO many things. I feel like I’d be lost without it. It helps me think about the future, process emotions, figure out how to get the outcome I want and so much else.
I feel what the universey woo-woo side of the internet calls “manifestation” is actually exercises in adaptive fantasizing (as opposed to maladaptive fantasizing, which is basically being lost in self delusion). These “manifestation” practices and exercises get people to think about what they really want in life. They get people to picture themselves actually living that life and what it would look like. Which inevitably leads to the thought process of what it would take to get there. And so on and so forth.
I get so excited every time there's an upload! ❤❤❤❤
I very much enjoyed this talk. Both personally and profesionally. Thank you! 🙏🏻✨
This is so well timed for me. THANK YOU 🌸
Beautiful, illuminating, replenishing
The last quote by Joseph brought me to tears
43:22 Jung speaks of childhood energy this way because nothing was known of flow states and peak experience beyond
Buddhist and Daoist ideas. The child is the wise old man, the wise old man honours the free nature of the eternal, not only the childish sense of it.
I discovered you today and look forward to learning with you.
This discussion is brilliant. As a community college teacher you have given me lots of ideas to help connect my students with their pure energy. I felt existential terror listening to the first part about the speed of change and uncertainty and would love to hear you deep dive into that.
Was just going over this last night. it's like finding the energy to move a giant trrain. The inital amount of energy to get the train moving and the weels turning is monumental at times
The power of small steps! When you take one tiny step, you will realize that it's not hard at all. Then the next day, another tiny step. And just trust the process. You will be amazed. 🎉
First, I so appreciate what you bring to us, your audience, ànd how you present it.
That said, I believe there are two enervating sides to current life for many. One is the sudden or gradual realisation that nothing is as it seems. Corruption of many many kinds surrounds so many of us.
Two, where are the opportunities for personal creativity: yes this is related to Jung's libido. We forget how important our creativity is. (I bring mine to making our meals, cooking in general. This includes finding the right/best ingredients. On and on this goes and is so nourishing inwardly.
P.S. I will find a way to be a patreon of yours. Thank you.
Thank you ❤interesting talk !! The modern world is very taxing and overestimating.
Love the comment about people having energy for different things. I gate packing, dealing with clutter and so I don't, and i do it poorly and rather fo outside and garden, where i have lots of energy.
I recently learned that low motivation is a symptom of trauma.
I confess that I have not heard the whole discussion yet, I am about half an hour in. I just have a question, if someone has had a breakthrough and have identified a grief energy and have started the healing process, how do they integrate the healing with their day to day behaviours? I have gone through this myself recently, I am using a lot of deep work, poetry, I have a symbolic totem a toy duck(long story), I am trying to put myself out there work and socially. But it's hard after decades of stuck energy and living small, any tips you jungians can give to check that I am not falling into an old story, a mantra perhaps? Having gained ground I want to stick to the true north, I appreciate that I will have to course correct daily. But if there's a practical approach to this? I am ready to absorb that fruit whole heartedly. Sorry if you cover this, I just wanted to ask before I forgot before the conversation moved on.
I think after a breakthrough of the kind you're talking about, being kind to yourself is important in the integration process. We all like to have goals to work on in our personal growth process, but sometimes even the ambition in that can get in the way of healing and moving forward. Patience and kindness towards yourself, allowing yourself to exist and feel and take your time every day without feeling like you need to push yourself into profound experience. Just be and just breathe; your breakthrough is enough to carry you through into the next phases of your life.
Relating so much! Another synchronous event! And the recommendations from Deb and Lisa are golden! And taking in Joseph's comments, I'm never using the word "optimizing" again!
Low energy is trauma unhealed. A good gry is healing. Then you know next step.
Strongly agree.
Yes!
Except when the crying doesn't stop.
@@birgip.m.1236 it will stop when it’s all out. but we must first allow it to start.
@@Crysta1986A cry helps for a second ONLY and changes nothing but your hormones.
"What was I really built for?" and "what is my natural source of energy?" are key questions for me because society wants us all to have energy for specific purposes and that's not nature's way.
Good for you man, I have just recently and I am subscribed. So far so good and I can't wait to see the new work you are doing. Dont doubt yourself, you are going to make it ❤
recently found your podcast and want to thank you its very helpful and interesting
great episode. thank you
You are great!
We card see the tarot card!Thank you great podcast.😊 loved your interpretation Joseph.
The dreams at the end are very beautiful
Another Kilimanjaro thing is Hemingway's "Snows of Kilimanjaro." Short and worth reading.
I love you guys ❤❤❤
31:17 can psychic energy via ego functioning be breached by depression and anxiety ?
This talk was amazing ❤❤❤
In the Bhagavad Gita life is one hundred percent described as a battle. It is the “Battle of Kurukshetra”. The battle between good and evil, a battle every single one of us is engaged in.
Wow! Thanks for sharing that...that has helped me fill in some pieces about my life. Thank you.
I think it's not just about good vs evil, but also right vs wrong, even if it's were againts your own family. You must fulfill your duty and prove your alignment with the rightful, thus achieve the meaning of sacrifice and detachment.
❤️🙏🏼love you guys
I think the dream is an initiatory ritual into the awakening of the dreamer's psyche. The magical psychic powers of one.
So so interesting. Thanks
I have had a dream about climbing a mountain and seeing a being upsidedown in the sky and his head was a full moon.l would love to talk to Lisa and I love the show, thanks 😀🙏🌴🌞!
Oh wow. What an incredible episode?! Such a lot in there that feels so useful.
Anyone have any more signposts re Hermes Trismagistus? I know the Tarot, but hadn’t learned this depth.
Feels like pulling up a net from a deep sea and seeing it connects to many of the my odd buoys that float (or have broken unexpectedly through) the surface of my “ordinary”, left-brained life .
Frustration and burnout really drains mental and physical energy.
On the topic related to all people having different energy levels, I believe this is true and can be confirmed through astrology. The Sun signifies our life force and vitality. My Sun sign is Capricorn. This is a cold, dry, dense earth energy. Depression is very common for Capricorns. People that are fire signs have more energy (Aries, Leo, Saggittarius).
YES! The answer starts in astrology, imo!
Carl Jung understood this too. I'm super surprised these 3 don't know, or don't care to mention that.
I'm a Capricorn rising myself and have had severe depression all my life. There are indicators all through my natal chart energy though.
I have an Aries Sun and 3H/4H stellium, but my Anaretic Gemini Moon has my mind working overtime all of the time, even my sleep is over- stressed.
I know for sure my energy is drained from CPTSD. My mind has to work to stay present and flashbacks throughout my day drain me. All of this is in my chart too. Saturn is currently transiting my natal Pisces mars and I am having a hell of a time being motivated.
I think Human Design (which also has astrology) could help as well.
not really. i’m a leo and i am CONSTANTLY exhausted especially in the summer, the sun drains me.
love this podcast!
HIGH or Low Energy: Where Can We Source the Drive to Take Action?
Excellent video subject to explore! Yet, to answer this important question, involves not only details herein, but perspectives from the ZEROth order of reality:
What is ENERGY? Do we truly have 'Free Will' or is there a divine plan (God's Will) that governs the Potential of Hydrogen? Who am i (really) as an H²O species? What's a per Sun's of light specific blueprint (e.g. Astrology, Human Design, Gene Keys, Palmistry, etc). Without comprehension of these basic axioms, all puzzles are riddles to guess in academe.
The physical world reveals limitations on INFORMATION, but raw data, in terms of individual energetics, will help one 'source' all drives to action.
The proverbial stick doesn't exactly work with a PDAer autistic person. Negative reinforcement does not work. Actually, it does quite the opposite. If I thought, if I don't write my career is over and I'll be living in the gutter, what happens is that my mind goes into complete overwhelm and I shut down. What we need is to feel like we have a choice between productive options, so for example I can get up and either write today, or I can do chores. That's what helps us to get moving. That is how my mind works, period. The sooner I accepted it, the sooner my productivity began to improve. People's minds are ultimately built differently, so it stands to reason that we need to find the source of our blockages to find workarounds.
I appreciate this comment so much, thank you!
I agree, some people are wired a bit differently and get drained completely of their energy, when a spcialist puts them into the wrong box and works with them on a problem by sticking to tasks and guidelines that are completely incompatible with the actual needs of their patient.
I spend my whole childhood in very unstable and abusive circumstances with constant negative reinforcement. By the time I left my family and did my best to survive on my own, I was already completely burned out of any capacity to react in any positive way to negative reinforcement. Obviously it didn't go very well for me at school or work, where the people in charge liked to "motivate" their subordinates by painting negative scenarios, fear tactics, shaming, silly punishments and even more pressure. Whenever I would ask about the benefits and rewards for "not failing" and I suggested that positive reeinforcement might be a better way to motivate people, I was usually singled out as a trouble maker. People treated me like I was crazy for questioning the status quo and asking for any accomodations like permission for working in a more quiet corner, wearing headphones or working from home whenever I saw other people being allowed to work from home. They would usually act extremely offended for even asking, yell at me some more and then wonder why my results were declining. That vicious spiral of being declined anything that could possibly help me be more productive without hurting anybody, just because nobody else would "needs that", being called more frequently by superiors for "talks" that were more and more threatening instead of motivating, and being judged even harsher and watched more closely, and then also having coworkers turn against me and gossiping about me, would lead to inevitable burnout. Sometimes I would do the unthinkable, whenever I would say something like "could you stop berating me and tell me openly how I am supposed to improve if you keep denying all of my requests? Can I maybe work late shifts, when it's more quiet and there are fewer people around? Can I be transferred to a different department?". I was usually told something like "If you want such extraordinary priviledges, then your would have to provide exraordinary results and right now, you are struggling to provide average results". Discussions with such people were completely nonsensical. I only did extremely well at work, when I was treated with respect by my superiors and when I was granted the freedom to make all those small adjustments for myself without being dismissed or critisized. Unfortunately, it would always come to an end, when a good boss was promoted for another position and replaced with a bad one, or when a company of a certain department I liked, was closed down, or when the job was limited by a deadline and it was simply done, or when I had to leave a job due to a sudden crisis in my private life. There wasn't much I could do about it.
No therapy would really work for me, even when I was in crisis and desperate to change. No one ever considered diagnosing me with autism, no one would ever consider the possibility that my state was an adequate response to those struggles I had to deal with, because every therapist I ever met would use the same scripts to make me question my needs even more, especially saying things like "If everyone else is doing ok under those circumstances, then you're the only one struggling, then how high is the probability that you are right and everyone else is wrong? If nobody else is struggling that much, then You are the common denominator in every case, you are the problem and You have to adapt.". They might have worded all that a bit differently, but it ammounted to the same message every time. There wasn't much understanding or consideration for my perspective, I was just seen as deffective. I was prescribed all kinds of pills that only made things worse for me by impeding my ability to function at all in the short term and causing serious health issues in the long term. I had to give up on any standard healthcare completely, since everything I did to heal myself within the system for over a decade, only made things worse for me instead of improving anything.
To this day, I have no idea why it's so difficult for people to comprehend, that more respectful and supportive environments, might benefit everybody, they're not just insane priviledges that I made up for myself. I didn't try to get "special treatment" despite being undeserving of it (that would be the most common accusation aimed at me). I would be perfectly happy if everyone was treated with more positive regard at work, school or any other social space. I didn't want those things to gain the upper hand over anybody, I wanted everyone to be able to access resources for their personal needs. I know that's the thing employers feared - that if they accomodate the needs of one person, everyone else might make special requests. What's the alternative? Keeping everybody miserable and harrasing the most sensitive people out of their work completely? Is that really sustainable? Is it really okay to treat people in lower positions like crap to "motivate" them? I think that's stupid. Most workplaces that I was harassed out of, broke down after a while anyway and most superiors who disrepected me, were exposed after I left. They could have taken my suggestions more seriously and improve, but it was so much easier for them to scapegoat me and think they've got rid of the problem.
Sorry for the wall of text. Your comment struck a chord in me.
I think it's important to consider some outlier cases and including them to improve systemic failures, instead of pushing everyone into the same mold, and then shifting blame and getting angry when those structures degenerate.
Well since you already know better than they do, you shouldn’t really be having a problem; you already know where to get your energy.
This episode is my whole life. I want to manifest ideas, I understand it takes work and I do the work but I can never finish, even though I know finishing is the most important part. But I just can’t seem to get to the finish line and I can never figure out why. Makes me very depressed cause there are ideas in my head but I don’t even want to attempt to put them into action because of my experience. So I have super low energy? Even my libido is low.
The ad that segued after Joseph Lee said “…and it would give us so much ‘freak out!’ (song plays)…thank you.” Was that intentional? 😂 Loving This Jungian Life ! My shadow shelf brought me to this channel.
Alvin Toffler made similar observations when he wrote about the impact of our ever changing world in his book, ‘Future Shock’
Just shown your channel by someone. I don’t study anything or any of these philosophies but am familiar with them. Sometimes these spontaneous ideas, such as “Killimanjaro” are of the subconscious and are more complex than you think. Such as a pieced out reflection of society and self combined in one neat little package as a metaphor for both. Coldness, adventure or lack there of, personal solitude, all the way to the the actual wordage containing “kill, man, jar” as an unconscious suppressed fear of war or the ongoing deaths that are presently occurring and known through media, jarring but also potentially in your own jar in your mind where you’d be more comfortable containing it, and this thought telling the thinker that nothing is truly contained.
That's why I try to be more in my body now. I used to be too much in my mind.
59:04 basic creativity is the natural state, sense of curiosity. It is only because of the sexualisatjon of energy that it appears to be a sex drive. People are naturally curious about how things feel, how people perform, whether they are gay or hetro, etcetero
Please spell satisficing and explain what it is. Also, what do you suggest for people with a genetic problem that makes you very tired from pain, such as Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome?
Apart from everything else, I think Lisa and Deb look very cute in this episode.
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People harm by inflicting stress and control with lies and manipulation.
I’m 60 years old and I live in Chicago I feel when I go outside that all of my energy is just drained from me why is this?
I noticed they talk about fear and/or overwhelm draining energy. If you don't feel safe or comfortable outside it may be draining you. Just a thought.
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Failure to thrive is also an issue. Pls explain further!
I think at times in this discussion, these analysts confuse 'energy' with 'vitality'. They are not synonymous terms. You can have all the energy in the world, and never thrive, whereas one with vitality can't not thrive. Vitality is an embodied state which, especially when it is sustained, is the very 'mode' in which one experiences oneself as 'thriving'.
I think it is also elemental in terms of astrology, earthy signs are more linear, water is fluid and abstract. Also, in ascending in consciousness one works through their concrete mind in their mental realm, then they move into the abstract for awhile to do the really fiery work. Then when one is close to achieving Christ consciousness, the work entails blending the concrete and abstract. It’s a beautiful but difficult process.
Terrific insights, thanks. I had a dream last night which I’d like to work with. What advice does anyone have for people starting out on working with their own dreams?
Step one- Write the dream down.
I liked "failure to thrive" slip
This 'blocking', or distraction from association with memory, experience, and recall, I expect may be a result of trauma.
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The panel may be unaware of the prevelance of unidentified neurodivergence and monotropic mental patterning.
Extraordinarily bright creative young man with OCD, a strong spiritual awareness described is shut down masking. I'll bet an autism assessment would shed light on this individual.
A sensative, intelligent spiritually aware individual is a description of a neurodivergent individual.
Unempathetic parenting could easily unintentionally traumatise this individual.
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What is the difference between energy and vitality ?
Good question. It seems that most people conflate the two. I think people who never seem to stop doing things are those who are primarily driven by the objectives laid out for them in their outer world. These extroverted types don't seem to need or even care about how their inner life responds to their seemingly endless capacity - need - to respond to the object-orders of their particular realities. The kind of energy that defines these go-getters is more along the lines of what I'd call busyness than true vitality. Not surprisingly, these types thrive in busi-ness related fields.
The energy that has the quality of vitality seems to come from a different source - not from the outside, as is the case with the busy-bee, but from the inside...from a place of action aligned with deeper values, meanings, a sense of purpose, etc. In today's highly abstracted, technological, and mediated world of social practice, the most common expression of energy comes in the 'form' of busy-ness, whereas its much more rare to come across a person with true vitality.
I take your meaning but the 1st part of the convo seems to neglect blue collar workers who do in fact still work physical jobs.
The dream… I wonder if the library the dreamer was in was the Akashic Records? This would contain all the records of the dreamer’s lives.
My verdict is still out, but I'm guessing that the three of you do not consider attachments, energy cords, demons, archons, vampires feeding on loosh, EMF, gmo's, parasites or any of the other maladies and afflictions this era has to offer as being potentially a cause for energy loss that is worth consideration?
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People now source it from coffee.
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I didn’t have a magical childhood and I still have had a failure to launch. I have adhd. My brain works differently.
Jung was a Christian basically. re: self archetype
If God is in everything you see? I think we all need to ReExamine everything we believe, is God Omnipresent? Is the Creator of everything including energy. so even scientists are beginning to ask that question, wonder why? Exactly what is energy? If the creator of life is in everything? It's not something anyone should risk. If the creator is you and in me.. and everyone you see..forget modern life. Are you willing to bet your life on this? It's not that complicated. . If the creator of energy is in everything and everyone? Then everyone is a VIP. Thar tears down all the barriers and walls. Are you really ready to meet God? Think about that
….. why are we so complicated lol! Damn Lord couldn’t just make us idk some type of way differently?! 😣
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Running in the rat wheel to gain more stuff and impress more people….no thanks…🥵
sorry to interrupt, but Unemployment rate in Spain is 11,8% very far from what the woman has said.
I had to try playback speed to 1.75X. I only thought it may help if you talked a little faster. No offense intended.
Wondering what that would help?
Because This person Have adhd.
For the adhd-ers 👌 me personally
I thought pretty much the same, until I realized that it's me who needs to slow down. The way this world is unfolding right now is making us all a bit neurotic.
43:21!
I have struggled my whole life with this 😅I think there is a huge connection with the lack of sexual understanding and expression and joy and fulfillment. Being a male in this generation is like being in a battlefield everyday with landmines everywhere. The worst part is the landmines are directly related to so many things that bring me joy and pleasure. 💀
Eat right and get your thyroid checked. No amount of psychology makes up for these essentials.
Most people are doing that buddy, but there’s more to it than just your materialist gimmicks
Try empathy
No physicians are able to test the thyroid, many women's lives are ruined over dopamine deficiency, SNPs, they result in thyroid adrenal hypofunction but the medical community can't Diagnose.
@45:00, I have one of those. He just decided not to work, period. I was supermom, his dad had issues when young but got up to speed, but he just refused to participate. National merit scholar, genius IQ, maxed out problem solving section. 42 now, moved out couple of years ago, is artist, learned to live off web, chess, comic books etc. A wasted life. Has a nice girlfriend, is very good looking. Our other two children very motivated and successful, daughter PhD Psychologist, younger son, very successful broker. Weird.
Maybe he has a different idea of what success is. My "life wasted" was the part where I was miserable and stuck because I spent it trying to live up to other people's ideals and expectations.
Sounds like he’s doing alright.
I personally find the world withput psychedelics emotionless, boring and under stimulating. Normal life restrictred from emotional energetic visual learning is like a suicide. I find no real joy in normal. If I could choose anything I would not choose the life I currently and time before trying drugs live.
I have often low energy because of indulging in sexual phantasies, which are inspired by outward material. (lol)