I guess I got lucky with my GoPro 11, I have had no corrupted data issues like I did with the 8. If I get another action camera, the Action 4 will definitely be one to consider.
waiting for the action 5 in hope that they bump up the resolution i like to crop my 5k footage to 4k to get some zoom while filming indoors and outdoors
I mean, it was a real test in my real life! I didn't put them in an oven or anything and all four cameras were in the same conditions, so no matter how crazy it was, they were all facing it together👍
@@DavidManningvlog To be real most places I travel are hot and even walking does not always provide much of a breeze. Using these cameras to catch an impromptu concert at the park or beach, a pickup game, or anything like that is nearly impossible with the low heat tolerances and unreliability.
Fun test! A few commenters pointed out the likely difference: I live in the EU, and as such there’s a 48*c/118*f cap on touchable surfaces in devices, DJI has two heat modes, and in the US it’ll allow you to go to 53*c/127*f. The app automatically controls that limit, and is unchangeable if within the EU. The other difference is I did my tests in direct sun, while yours were in the shade. Obviously, your shade temp was much much higher, but since this is about hitting the surface temp threshold, it’s plausible depending on exactly where the sensor is that trips that thermal limit, is closer to the case exterior. As for the difference in freezer testing, I last tested that last fall. Plausible something has changed in how they keep-alive camera in low temps (essentially to add a bit of heat to slightly warm the batteries), in recent firmware. I’ll try again. Cheers!
Gopro 13, if you test, it is already over the EU law ( 48*c/118*f ）， and the other Cams just follow the law, how did you come to the conclusion， that for overheating, gopro is better, just because he doesn't follow the law?
@@RocaTT1456, you have that backwards. GP and others follow the law and allowed to run. DJI doesn’t, hence not allowed in UK, but looks the same in EU. Where did you get your info as it makes no sense. If DJI is not allowed to set in high temps, how is it complaint over the others? Just curious to know if you have some info I don’t have. Note 53degC falls into 2nd degree burn. This is why Sony calls high temp setting, tripod mode so it’s not hand holding and prevents it from lawsuits.
You're a legend brother! And I actually reached out to DJI to see about that EU cap on the temp once some people started commenting. I'm pretty sure that must be the case, because I do remember on the Action 2 modular camera it had made a massive difference when they added in that high heat setting! And for the freezer testing, the main reason I thought it was odd was my personal experience with the Action 4 and Hero 12 snowboarding in the backcountry of Utah. I got super similar results to what I got on the mountain, but so stoked that now the Hero 13 is good to go for the backcountry!
Ace Pro owner here, the difference in compared to DC Hero 13 overheat test is likely due to the different in testing conditions. Part of GoPro improved heat performance is from the added heat dissipation from the added fins on front. But that only works when there is more of an ambient temperature difference. In contrast the AcePro has a more power efficient chip which doesn't generate as much heat to start off. I think that's the difference. Its like the difference between dry heat (when your sweat can cool you) and high humidity (where your sweat can't evaporate)
On DC's video the devices where right next to each other if I remember correctly and no air movement since he tested inside the house. So they produce heat around them, no air moving...hence the different results. 0-5f (-17c) very cold? bruh we ski here with -20c to -30c, those baby numbers.
I'm glad you answered my question from the last video. I had asked about overheating, you unknowingly answered my question, so thank you! I know it would overheat where I live pretty quick, like the last few GoPro versions.
One thing that surprises me is that these are all black... for action cameras... meant to be used outside... in the sun. Wouldn't a lighter color help with overheating in direct sunlight?
Yes, black is a bad idea for pretty much any device working with or against heat. BUT nobody cares enough and if basically nobody buys a white (action) camera, manufacturers arent gonna bother. The best one can do is get any kind of white coat(ing) on the cam and not care about how it might look to others. For my part (as a stills photographer) i'd love to have a white camera (or at least light gray, since dirt does get a little bit tricky on white), but i simply dont have a choice (yes, canon has a white R50 and i've been thinking about it, but i've got a R6II so thats a huge specs difference just for some looks lol. Maybe one day i might get a white R50II as a backup body, idk)
Yeah, the Action lineup seems to handle heat really well. I've had the same experience as you which is why I thought the numbers I was hearing sounded odd
I've never had a GoPro overheat either, but I also use it for the reason it was made... Action. I've mountain biked in 35 degree+ heat (celsius) and they've never overheated. If I were to stop and record the sky for a while then maybe they would, but who does that?
Sadly. I am on mallorca, Spain. Last October in probably 80 degree weather. Mine did overheat. But i think I used the Action 3, not my 4. I lost all my respect with GoPro because of nom-responsive screens. Especially in the water when I need it to work.
I’ve given up on GoPro, switched to the Action Pro. I got tired of the GoPro “freezing” and having to pull the battery out to get it working again. Had the GoPro up until the 11 Hero and same game. Can’t pull a battery underwater to get it to reset. No issues with DJI at all.
I've had no problems with my 12 but the 10 was a pain with the occasional freezing. There is a simple way to reboot it that can also be used underwater and that is to hold both buttons pressed for 10 secs and then release. I didn't learn that until later unfortunately but it works well.
@@markwornom1050 I didn’t know about that reset. I still own a 10, but my biggest issue is it shouldn’t be freezing at all. Shouldn’t have to reset it and/or worry about corrupt files. My GoPro didn’t even work to the depth it was supposed to without a dive case. DJI Action 4 just works, not one issue. Thanks for the reset knowledge, I may have to use it if I knock the dust off the hero 10 sometime.
@@SublimeOutdoors I wish I had known the reset sooner too, a freeze is even more of a pain when you're on vacation and have it in the Media Mod. I never lost any files though and that could be because I did a full, not quick, format in Windows before formatting in the camera. That was a trick that I learned elsewhere. I just like GoPro and the features such as the GoPro Labs firmware that gives it so much additional capability and customization. I honestly don't care about low light performance because it's a small sensor camera and not my best one for the darkness. But you can improve that a little by shooting in HDR and I got some great video of lightning from a recent storm that required very little editing. I'm really debating an upgrade to the 13 as the macro and anamorphic lenses would be useful. In the end, everyone has to decide what works for them and I just like GoPro and have been able to recycle the accessories for a couple of generations now.
@@markwornom1050 estável onde, final de ano no litoral Brasileiro eu passei foi raiva com um hero 12 que vivia superaquecendo ao ponto de descarregar minhas bateiras. Perdi vários frames na água.
I own the osmo4 and I never faced any issue with overheating, even if I used the camera under 48C in the islands of Greece.. never failed or stop recording! Fantastic video David .. 🎉❤
Dc Rainmaker is in Europe (Amsterdam if i remember correctly), so he is using DJI Action 4 with EU regulations, which means the camera shutdown temperature is couple of digits lower compared to US cameras. There is a workaround to force the Action 4 to use the higher temperature shutdown (US) limit, but he is not using that.
See, YOU'RE the use case for these sorts of tests! I know like 99% of the people out there will never face these extreme temp situations, but this one is for you Brian!
I couldn't believe any of the cameras made it past the 20 min mark at 4k/60 , but you're right with these crazy temps we've been having it was fun to test!🤣
Well I'm happy to help then! I think all four will do really well in most conditions, but up at those extremes, it gets tough to keep these things cool
Thank you for the test David, I had a situation where I had many action cameras on tripods and with the batteries removed and a power connected they ran for many hours. I had the small rig cage on the DJI Action 2 and it too went for many hours.
I recorded Christmas morning unwrapping gifts with a Canon M6 II on a tripod in the corner and the OSMO 4 on the coffee table in front of us. The OSMO overheated right before the Canon had to be restarted (it has a 30 min record limit). I have 2 of the original OSMO Action cameras I use on my kayak, and have never had either one overheat. So, I was very surprised when the 4 overheated. I'm to understand they have fixed this issue with the 5, so I may upgrade. Love your videos, keep 'em coming!
I will say that with airflow, I have yet to get the Hero13 to overheat in 4K (or 5K) 60 in 90F+ temps. And that's with a GoPro Sleeve or 3rd party windslayer. For reference, I'm usually cycling with the GoPro mounted to my handlebars or on a chest mount. That said, I've only had a few tests with the camera so far so who knows? Additionally, I'm curious if in these test the magnetic mount could have caused any issues for the Hero13. I remember in the past with GoPros that if you didn't have the fingers extended and mounted, the heat would get trapped in that little compartment and cause the camera to overheat. I know I experienced this with the Hero11 and Hero12 when I just plop the cameras on a flat surface with the fingers folded into the body of the camera. Either way, I agree that this isn't how any of the cameras would be used haha. I love your videos and look forward to more. Thanks!
So here in Europe, where life is a little slower, we have CE versions, and in our parallax universe the GoPro Hero 13 wins with the Ace Pro in near 2nd place. Our thermal thresholds are quite a bit lower than what you guys are allowed over there.
So far, here in Greece, AcePro is a real beast, handling insane temperatures up to 40 degrees Celsius like a real... Pro. I did a series of tests for my measly channel (not sure if I'm confident enough to post them, but at least I've tried), and DJI Osmo Action 3 and 4 were the first and second to overheat (at around 8 minutes and 9 minutes respectively), the third to overheat was GoPro Hero 12 (at around 13 minutes) and Insta360 AcePro kept recording for about 12 more minutes, finally overheating at 25 minutes or so. But the real champion was the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 that I used to record the entire process, which kept recording for 30 minutes, when I finally got out to my balcony and stopped it, gathered the remaining cameras and got back inside and away from the scorching heat. In general, overheating is the most common issue for cameras here in Greece, so AcePro and Pocket 3 are, currently, the best picks for my country.
DC Rainmaker is in Amsterdam that mean working under EU rules that have lower temprature woriking numbers rember the diffrent between Action2 us vs EU?
113 is high but not ridiculous as you keep stating. I use GP's for in car camera footage shooting a reality show and it's really important to see these types of tests as car interiors get insanely hot in the summer. Thank you for running these tests!
insteresting, because @PhillipSkraba also get resoults that hero13 are the best with overheat test, maybe is software region difference ? (europe vs usa)
That would actually make a lot of sense because the remember the Action 2 having that issue with European standards on surface temperature being stricter than in the US
@@DavidManningvlog, UK and EU doesn’t allow tempe over 53degC because that is 2nd deg burn if handheld. US is more relaxed with this. This is why Sony calls their high temp setting tripod mode (not handheld) to prevent from lawsuits. Do the test again and measure the temps of each action cams and see if DJI lets it run hotter. Issue with this is longevity of the action cams over the long run. And of course, you’re going to have IQ issues with image noise. Better that it is designed with heat sinks like GP13 did or passive copper heat sinks like Sony newer cams or go to active cooling fans, started in 2019 with Pana S1H, then FX3/30, Canon R5C, etc For these small action cams that are made to be waterproof, the heat cannot dissipate and defy thermal physics. They need either passive heat sinks or active cooling fans to remove the heat trapped. I used a small magnetic active cooling fan for smartphone gaming with a strap when I shot with the A2 and couldn’t get it to overheat unless shooting 4K120, but I think I got over 12min or 15min. Don’t remember as it was a while ago. And use this only in scenarios where I need long form shooting in conditions with no airflow like studio or what you did. Anyhow, good video putting these action cams in extreme conditions.
Thank you for this video! Last weekend, I was using my Ace Pro to record my son‘s baseball games in weather conditions similar the ones in your test. I didn’t know that you could turn off the back screen and it would run longer! This gives me a reason to buy the remote. The travel baseball world is a big market for action cameras seems like very game there is few recording and some streaming live. No one caters to that market from the manufacturers toTH-camr. I also use a Hero 10 to record the games. I purchased a camera cover with fans built-in. I have found that with the camera cover and fans on it will run longer and not over heat like the Ace pro will.
Checking in from Las Vegas, NV aka The desert southwest. This test is right on the money. You put them in shade at ambient and the results don't lie. The DJI seems to be the best bet for our climate which can be at 105 in the dark. Thanks for this review!!!
The other thing with the heat test is what is the humidity? I will guess his 80’s had a higher humidity making the air feel much hotter but due to the high moisture content it may have made it harder to she off the heat.
If I were to look at this super objectively, the DJI is the clear winner due to the sheer time -elapsed compression difference. The difference between screen off and screen off was minimal. That to me says that the battery logic or management internally, is way more calibrated.
The extreme temperatures you mention are normal conditions here in Texas so that answered my question about overheating on the 13, thank you. Seems they still haven't figured out how to keep the GoPros from overheating. I will say though that on the GoPro 11, it can handle the heat much better IF there is wind blowing on it. I did a few videos using it on my electric scooter with temps around 110 and it did not overheat until I stopped. When I stopped, it shutoff within one or so minutes. As far as the cold goes, I have never experienced any issues on the GoPro 7, 8, 9 or 11. But we don't get extremely cold here usually. The only way I could think of to stop the overheating issue would be to vent the battery compartment. However, you would lose the waterproofness, unless they started offering the waterproof cases that some action cameras offer. Maybe the 14's will be better, guess we'll see next year. For now, I see no reason to upgrade from the 11 to the 13.
Your test is very accurate, and some of us use them in extreme weather. I use my dji action as backup for my baseball channel. It stays up in the fence for 2 hours in 100 degrees heat here in Florida with no problems. I use a power bank and turn the screen off. My gopro never lasted more than 15 minutes.
Turns out I did a "test" last Thursday, filmed a golf lesson here in Tucson using my GoPro 12 Black at ONLY 105F - at 120fps / 4K lasted just under 15 minutes before over heating, just validating your results 😁. I have attached a battery operated fan to the tripod blowing on the GoPro and it doesn't overheat but have to use post processing to get rid of the fan noise.
I wonder of DC Rainmaker got a bad copy of the DJI Action 4 or if you got a really good copy. Chips and such can vary quite a bit from batch to batch. The hot outdoors is valid, because if you use it on a car dashboard, the heat with no airflow kills a camera fast.
That's exactly what I was thinking on DC's Action is maybe it was just a bad batch. I have two Action 4's and have never had either of them overheat, which is why I thought the numbers sounded odd. I've also had them snowboarding and never had them freeze over on me either, but I'm pumped to see that the Hero 13 can now handle those freezing temps too no problem!
Good result for Action4. I was shocked when I heard GoPro13 beat Action4 in the overheating test. Now I'm relieved. Now I'm just waiting to get either the new Action 5 or the discounted Action 4 replacing my GoPro 10.
Insta 360 Ace Pro for me.... Great camera with a very easy to navigate menu. Bit sus on overheating/cold run tests anyway, but on your tests David I'm very happy with my choice.
Hey David - I love your analytical videos - real world stuff. However, you missed one important factor in this test - actual camera temperature. Insta360 allows their cameras to get to obscene temperatures before shutting down. I spent 40 years as a mechanical engineer in Silicon Valley. A good part of that time was designing housings and cooling systems for high-zoot network analyzers. All of the IC manufacturers that I worked with specify that for every 10 degrees C increase over the IC rated temperature, the IC life is cut in half. Running a camera at high temperature is death on the electronics.
Great job on the video David! Thanks for making it. You don't have to go to Dubai for that kind of climate. Vegas stays those temps throughout July and August, so I would say those are pretty "real world" tests for action cameras. Surfing and snowboarding aren't the only kind of action, David. 🤣😂
I do agree with DC that these overheating test videos are. Nobody actually uses their cameras like this. Because I support your ch I did let the video run the entire time to support you. You and DC are both great but you clearly have your favorites. 😂
I know this may not be relevant but I used to have the GoPro Hero 10 and just using that for POV driving clips it would overheat within 15 minutes. Not to mention that in a car interior it sucks with the shadows and has a lot of noise. I switched to the DJI Action 4 and it has NEVER overheated. Not to mention it is way better with lowlight scenarios.
It is surprising that few people focus on the weight and size of the camera. This is really important, the more compact the device, the harder it is to make good regulation / heat output. In this aspect, DJI leaves no chance to competitors.
I'm still using hero 7 black 😅 and I'm quite satisfied. It runs at middle winter fost about an hour. Anything that could stay longer would be excellent. What I would expect is helmet with built in camera. Heat can be spreaded more likely. Also head can give additional warmth to camera when there is big frost. Why the dont make silver housing cameras? black color gathers lot of infrared radiation...
I’m sure that there can be significant differences between the batteries and cameras within the models. DC could have done the same test but got different results due to battery or camera differences.
Totally possible! I'm wondering if maybe his batteries were old or faulty. I've got two Action 4 cameras and even in testing it's hard to get them to overheat
I don't know, I think those videos are interesting to watch, but never in my life has a GoPro overheated for me (And I did multi-hour videos and time warps in 4k+)
i record kids baseball games in 4K 60fps, the GoPros were worthless so I moved to the DJI action 3. When the 4 came out I was exited.. 1st game it overheated 25mins in. I returned by action 4 due to overheating. Went back to the action 3. Games are about 2hrs long with 90gb used. We’re in Fl btw
Is this still happening. I switched to DJI action 3 and it’s never turned itself off or frozen. It stops the recording and you don’t lose footage but never behaves like GoPro.
I find these overheating tests extremely important. The whole purpose of action cams is to be very small and durable and keep recording under any extreme circumstances and never break. That is under water, in extreme heights, in blizzards in forest fires after hitting something at high speeds even if the lens slightly cracks. An action camera must be as durable and enduring as possible and keep recording as long as possible and be very reliable. GoPro consistently fails to achieve that - at least when it comes to overheating.
I’ve had a lot of issues with the last several GoPros. They even replaced a few for me. And I wasn’t do anything extreme. I was recording inside a climate controlled area, or in a barn in Texas, but not super hot. Their tech basically told me to drop down all my settings to keep it from overheating. Turn off gps, turn off all the bells and whistles they used to sell it 🙄 Like, what’s the point? That being said, it affects the performance of each camera. Maybe he didn’t realize they weren’t at exactly the same settings. Maybe one had gps still on, or whatever. Point is, that’s the part we don’t know and if it affected the outcome. Mine (GoPro) still over heats, but just not quite AS QUICKLY. It works great snorkeling though 🤷🏼♀️👍🏻
Man hope you can get the "cheap 13" I mean the one with no front screen and that thing that looks like a full front radiator We need the heat test on these Vs all the other cameras
Last winter in the Alps, at altitudes of 2500-3500m (that's 8200 - 11500 feet for the Americans reading this) and temps of -3 celsius to -10/-11 celsius (down to 12 Fahrenheit) my Osmo Action 4 performed flawlessly. That's why I dumped my GoPros - they could never perform like that.
i really hope you see this comment. I recently ordered a GoPro Hero 13 for 530 dollars and do karting and want to put one on my helmet. i race in tournaments usually for 15 to 20 minutes in around 80 fahrenheit. do you think i will face any problems like overheating? should i cancel the order and buy the dji action 5 pro
1:49 so Action 4 isn't for me then, I need a camera for riding in subzero temps for hours. My Hero 7 can't do it for even few minutes, so pointless for me to get another camera with same issue.
Switched from GoPro to Action 4. Life couldn't be better: No firmware with quirks, no data corruption, no recording issues. Just works. Everytime.
Same, it is such a breath of fresh air! - and the video quality is way better too.
I guess I got lucky with my GoPro 11, I have had no corrupted data issues like I did with the 8. If I get another action camera, the Action 4 will definitely be one to consider.
waiting for the action 5 in hope that they bump up the resolution i like to crop my 5k footage to 4k to get some zoom while filming indoors and outdoors
I've never had any of those problems with any of my GoPros.
@@Cameraflyer- 🤡🤡🤡
Your outdoor heat test is more realistic than other test videos I have seen people do.
I mean, it was a real test in my real life! I didn't put them in an oven or anything and all four cameras were in the same conditions, so no matter how crazy it was, they were all facing it together👍
@@DavidManningvlog To be real most places I travel are hot and even walking does not always provide much of a breeze. Using these cameras to catch an impromptu concert at the park or beach, a pickup game, or anything like that is nearly impossible with the low heat tolerances and unreliability.
@@ndyajeff They are ACTION cameras after all not really made for filming standing in one spot.
Fun test! A few commenters pointed out the likely difference: I live in the EU, and as such there’s a 48*c/118*f cap on touchable surfaces in devices, DJI has two heat modes, and in the US it’ll allow you to go to 53*c/127*f. The app automatically controls that limit, and is unchangeable if within the EU. The other difference is I did my tests in direct sun, while yours were in the shade. Obviously, your shade temp was much much higher, but since this is about hitting the surface temp threshold, it’s plausible depending on exactly where the sensor is that trips that thermal limit, is closer to the case exterior.
As for the difference in freezer testing, I last tested that last fall. Plausible something has changed in how they keep-alive camera in low temps (essentially to add a bit of heat to slightly warm the batteries), in recent firmware. I’ll try again. Cheers!
That’s great extra info to have! Thanks for commenting 😊
Gopro 13, if you test, it is already over the EU law ( 48*c/118*f ）， and the other Cams just follow the law, how did you come to the conclusion， that for overheating, gopro is better, just because he doesn't follow the law?
@@RocaTT1456, you have that backwards.
GP and others follow the law and allowed to run. DJI doesn’t, hence not allowed in UK, but looks the same in EU.
Where did you get your info as it makes no sense. If DJI is not allowed to set in high temps, how is it complaint over the others? Just curious to know if you have some info I don’t have.
Note 53degC falls into 2nd degree burn. This is why Sony calls high temp setting, tripod mode so it’s not hand holding and prevents it from lawsuits.
You're a legend brother! And I actually reached out to DJI to see about that EU cap on the temp once some people started commenting. I'm pretty sure that must be the case, because I do remember on the Action 2 modular camera it had made a massive difference when they added in that high heat setting!
And for the freezer testing, the main reason I thought it was odd was my personal experience with the Action 4 and Hero 12 snowboarding in the backcountry of Utah. I got super similar results to what I got on the mountain, but so stoked that now the Hero 13 is good to go for the backcountry!
The Pocket 3 is the real MVP here. Just sitting there all casual like ☀️🔥😎
I really thought I was making a goof video making fun of overheating tests, but then the tests turned out super interesting! What are your thoughts?!
Go pro is not good enough dji and insta are the new kings of action cams
Ace Pro owner here, the difference in compared to DC Hero 13 overheat test is likely due to the different in testing conditions. Part of GoPro improved heat performance is from the added heat dissipation from the added fins on front. But that only works when there is more of an ambient temperature difference. In contrast the AcePro has a more power efficient chip which doesn't generate as much heat to start off. I think that's the difference.
Its like the difference between dry heat (when your sweat can cool you) and high humidity (where your sweat can't evaporate)
You nailed.
On DC's video the devices where right next to each other if I remember correctly and no air movement since he tested inside the house. So they produce heat around them, no air moving...hence the different results. 0-5f (-17c) very cold? bruh we ski here with -20c to -30c, those baby numbers.
I'm glad you answered my question from the last video. I had asked about overheating, you unknowingly answered my question, so thank you! I know it would overheat where I live pretty quick, like the last few GoPro versions.
One thing that surprises me is that these are all black... for action cameras... meant to be used outside... in the sun. Wouldn't a lighter color help with overheating in direct sunlight?
Black absorbs thermal energy better but black also emits thermal energy better.
Yes, black is a bad idea for pretty much any device working with or against heat. BUT nobody cares enough and if basically nobody buys a white (action) camera, manufacturers arent gonna bother. The best one can do is get any kind of white coat(ing) on the cam and not care about how it might look to others.
For my part (as a stills photographer) i'd love to have a white camera (or at least light gray, since dirt does get a little bit tricky on white), but i simply dont have a choice (yes, canon has a white R50 and i've been thinking about it, but i've got a R6II so thats a huge specs difference just for some looks lol. Maybe one day i might get a white R50II as a backup body, idk)
Bright colours reach high temperatures slower but the final number of degrees is always higher
I've been using the Action 3 and Action 4 cameras for the past three years and never once over heated either of them under normal outdoor use.
Yeah, the Action lineup seems to handle heat really well. I've had the same experience as you which is why I thought the numbers I was hearing sounded odd
I've never had a GoPro overheat either, but I also use it for the reason it was made... Action. I've mountain biked in 35 degree+ heat (celsius) and they've never overheated. If I were to stop and record the sky for a while then maybe they would, but who does that?
@@snowman22ism My old gopo hero 10 used to die at 50% battery while skiing (even with enduro battery). Ive now switched to dji action 4
Sadly. I am on mallorca, Spain. Last October in probably 80 degree weather. Mine did overheat. But i think I used the Action 3, not my 4. I lost all my respect with GoPro because of nom-responsive screens. Especially in the water when I need it to work.
I’ve given up on GoPro, switched to the Action Pro. I got tired of the GoPro “freezing” and having to pull the battery out to get it working again. Had the GoPro up until the 11 Hero and same game. Can’t pull a battery underwater to get it to reset. No issues with DJI at all.
I've had no problems with my 12 but the 10 was a pain with the occasional freezing. There is a simple way to reboot it that can also be used underwater and that is to hold both buttons pressed for 10 secs and then release. I didn't learn that until later unfortunately but it works well.
@@markwornom1050 I didn’t know about that reset. I still own a 10, but my biggest issue is it shouldn’t be freezing at all. Shouldn’t have to reset it and/or worry about corrupt files. My GoPro didn’t even work to the depth it was supposed to without a dive case. DJI Action 4 just works, not one issue. Thanks for the reset knowledge, I may have to use it if I knock the dust off the hero 10 sometime.
@@SublimeOutdoors I wish I had known the reset sooner too, a freeze is even more of a pain when you're on vacation and have it in the Media Mod. I never lost any files though and that could be because I did a full, not quick, format in Windows before formatting in the camera. That was a trick that I learned elsewhere. I just like GoPro and the features such as the GoPro Labs firmware that gives it so much additional capability and customization. I honestly don't care about low light performance because it's a small sensor camera and not my best one for the darkness. But you can improve that a little by shooting in HDR and I got some great video of lightning from a recent storm that required very little editing. I'm really debating an upgrade to the 13 as the macro and anamorphic lenses would be useful. In the end, everyone has to decide what works for them and I just like GoPro and have been able to recycle the accessories for a couple of generations now.
I forgot to mention that GoPro supposedly rewrote all of the code in either the 11 or 12 and that's a big reason the 12 is pretty stable.
@@markwornom1050 estável onde, final de ano no litoral Brasileiro eu passei foi raiva com um hero 12 que vivia superaquecendo ao ponto de descarregar minhas bateiras. Perdi vários frames na água.
David you overheat my heart ❤️
I own the osmo4 and I never faced any issue with overheating, even if I used the camera under 48C in the islands of Greece.. never failed or stop recording! Fantastic video David .. 🎉❤
Dc Rainmaker is in Europe (Amsterdam if i remember correctly), so he is using DJI Action 4 with EU regulations, which means the camera shutdown temperature is couple of digits lower compared to US cameras. There is a workaround to force the Action 4 to use the higher temperature shutdown (US) limit, but he is not using that.
Please cite the EU regulation for camera shutdown temperature...? ...I couldn't find anything when I searched down that.
As a pilot, mountain biker, and skier in N. Nevada I often face these extreme high heat and low temp scenarios year-round. Thanks for the input again!
See, YOU'RE the use case for these sorts of tests! I know like 99% of the people out there will never face these extreme temp situations, but this one is for you Brian!
@@DavidManningvlog Thanks Man, you rock. Honestly, it's more important to me than most of the camera features.. Will the stupid thing stay on.. LOL.
Are you standing still with the cameras or moving around?
Great tests David. Can't wait to do my own as well. Perfect day to do it as it was blistering hot these past few days.
I couldn't believe any of the cameras made it past the 20 min mark at 4k/60 , but you're right with these crazy temps we've been having it was fun to test!🤣
I am a kayaker. My normal conditions are running my cameras at 4k 60, full time, in the Florida sun. Overheating is a main concern for me.
Well I'm happy to help then! I think all four will do really well in most conditions, but up at those extremes, it gets tough to keep these things cool
Thank you for the test David, I had a situation where I had many action cameras on tripods and with the batteries removed and a power connected they ran for many hours. I had the small rig cage on the DJI Action 2 and it too went for many hours.
Can i be honest? You do an absolutly great work!! Greatings from Brasil!
I recorded Christmas morning unwrapping gifts with a Canon M6 II on a tripod in the corner and the OSMO 4 on the coffee table in front of us. The OSMO overheated right before the Canon had to be restarted (it has a 30 min record limit). I have 2 of the original OSMO Action cameras I use on my kayak, and have never had either one overheat. So, I was very surprised when the 4 overheated. I'm to understand they have fixed this issue with the 5, so I may upgrade. Love your videos, keep 'em coming!
I will say that with airflow, I have yet to get the Hero13 to overheat in 4K (or 5K) 60 in 90F+ temps. And that's with a GoPro Sleeve or 3rd party windslayer. For reference, I'm usually cycling with the GoPro mounted to my handlebars or on a chest mount. That said, I've only had a few tests with the camera so far so who knows?
Additionally, I'm curious if in these test the magnetic mount could have caused any issues for the Hero13. I remember in the past with GoPros that if you didn't have the fingers extended and mounted, the heat would get trapped in that little compartment and cause the camera to overheat. I know I experienced this with the Hero11 and Hero12 when I just plop the cameras on a flat surface with the fingers folded into the body of the camera.
Either way, I agree that this isn't how any of the cameras would be used haha. I love your videos and look forward to more. Thanks!
I love my Action 4 camera. No issues, it just works all the time.
So here in Europe, where life is a little slower, we have CE versions, and in our parallax universe the GoPro Hero 13 wins with the Ace Pro in near 2nd place. Our thermal thresholds are quite a bit lower than what you guys are allowed over there.
Summers here in Mexicali, Baja Mx, the average temp is 115, so that test helps a lot for us
What camera recorded this? It did better than all four!
Hahaa it was the DJI Pocket 3, but at 4K/24fps. Frame rate means a lot when it comes to overheating!
@@DavidManningvlog fark that camera is a beast! love mine though your sunnies show me a sony camera :)
So far, here in Greece, AcePro is a real beast, handling insane temperatures up to 40 degrees Celsius like a real... Pro.
I did a series of tests for my measly channel (not sure if I'm confident enough to post them, but at least I've tried), and DJI Osmo Action 3 and 4 were the first and second to overheat (at around 8 minutes and 9 minutes respectively), the third to overheat was GoPro Hero 12 (at around 13 minutes) and Insta360 AcePro kept recording for about 12 more minutes, finally overheating at 25 minutes or so.
But the real champion was the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 that I used to record the entire process, which kept recording for 30 minutes, when I finally got out to my balcony and stopped it, gathered the remaining cameras and got back inside and away from the scorching heat.
In general, overheating is the most common issue for cameras here in Greece, so AcePro and Pocket 3 are, currently, the best picks for my country.
DC Rainmaker is in Amsterdam that mean working under EU rules that have lower temprature woriking numbers rember the diffrent between Action2 us vs EU?
My favorite reviewer on TH-cam ❤️
3:06 made me lol for real 🤣😅 David you make the best you tube face on any thumbnail period!
You and DC Rainmaker are my 2 go to camera reviewers 👌🏻👍🏻
You gave the DJI extra time to defrost. Would it have been better to power them up all at the same time?
For those who use metric system: it’s almost 43 degrees Celsius when he runs the test. Extremely hot.
Thank you good sir!
nice to see ...waiting for the image test also a low light. test is very much welcome ....nice work👍
113 is high but not ridiculous as you keep stating. I use GP's for in car camera footage shooting a reality show and it's really important to see these types of tests as car interiors get insanely hot in the summer. Thank you for running these tests!
insteresting, because @PhillipSkraba also get resoults that hero13 are the best with overheat test, maybe is software region difference ? (europe vs usa)
That would actually make a lot of sense because the remember the Action 2 having that issue with European standards on surface temperature being stricter than in the US
@@DavidManningvlog, UK and EU doesn’t allow tempe over 53degC because that is 2nd deg burn if handheld. US is more relaxed with this.
This is why Sony calls their high temp setting tripod mode (not handheld) to prevent from lawsuits.
Do the test again and measure the temps of each action cams and see if DJI lets it run hotter.
Issue with this is longevity of the action cams over the long run. And of course, you’re going to have IQ issues with image noise.
Better that it is designed with heat sinks like GP13 did or passive copper heat sinks like Sony newer cams or go to active cooling fans, started in 2019 with Pana S1H, then FX3/30, Canon R5C, etc
For these small action cams that are made to be waterproof, the heat cannot dissipate and defy thermal physics. They need either passive heat sinks or active cooling fans to remove the heat trapped.
I used a small magnetic active cooling fan for smartphone gaming with a strap when I shot with the A2 and couldn’t get it to overheat unless shooting 4K120, but I think I got over 12min or 15min. Don’t remember as it was a while ago. And use this only in scenarios where I need long form shooting in conditions with no airflow like studio or what you did.
Anyhow, good video putting these action cams in extreme conditions.
Thank you for this video! Last weekend, I was using my Ace Pro to record my son‘s baseball games in weather conditions similar the ones in your test. I didn’t know that you could turn off the back screen and it would run longer! This gives me a reason to buy the remote. The travel baseball world is a big market for action cameras seems like very game there is few recording and some streaming live. No one caters to that market from the manufacturers toTH-camr.
I also use a Hero 10 to record the games. I purchased a camera cover with fans built-in. I have found that with the camera cover and fans on it will run longer and not over heat like the Ace pro will.
What glasses are that? Looking sharp!
"...point it and hope...". Words to live by, right there.
Waiting for quality pictures comparisons on this 4 cams
Checking in from Las Vegas, NV aka The desert southwest. This test is right on the money. You put them in shade at ambient and the results don't lie. The DJI seems to be the best bet for our climate which can be at 105 in the dark. Thanks for this review!!!
The other thing with the heat test is what is the humidity? I will guess his 80’s had a higher humidity making the air feel much hotter but due to the high moisture content it may have made it harder to she off the heat.
If I were to look at this super objectively, the DJI is the clear winner due to the sheer time -elapsed compression difference. The difference between screen off and screen off was minimal. That to me says that the battery logic or management internally, is way more calibrated.
Love your tests... always realistic. FWIW, I took my Hero 10 and 12 out when it was
The extreme temperatures you mention are normal conditions here in Texas so that answered my question about overheating on the 13, thank you. Seems they still haven't figured out how to keep the GoPros from overheating. I will say though that on the GoPro 11, it can handle the heat much better IF there is wind blowing on it. I did a few videos using it on my electric scooter with temps around 110 and it did not overheat until I stopped. When I stopped, it shutoff within one or so minutes. As far as the cold goes, I have never experienced any issues on the GoPro 7, 8, 9 or 11. But we don't get extremely cold here usually. The only way I could think of to stop the overheating issue would be to vent the battery compartment. However, you would lose the waterproofness, unless they started offering the waterproof cases that some action cameras offer. Maybe the 14's will be better, guess we'll see next year. For now, I see no reason to upgrade from the 11 to the 13.
I love your sunglasses. Awesome content what are they?
Your test is very accurate, and some of us use them in extreme weather. I use my dji action as backup for my baseball channel. It stays up in the fence for 2 hours in 100 degrees heat here in Florida with no problems. I use a power bank and turn the screen off. My gopro never lasted more than 15 minutes.
Turns out I did a "test" last Thursday, filmed a golf lesson here in Tucson using my GoPro 12 Black at ONLY 105F - at 120fps / 4K lasted just under 15 minutes before over heating, just validating your results 😁. I have attached a battery operated fan to the tripod blowing on the GoPro and it doesn't overheat but have to use post processing to get rid of the fan noise.
Great looking glasses man, could you post the link to that exact model? Thanks!
there is a reason i switched to DJI action 4 ,, like in Perth Aus and summer is up around 100 for most of summer
Been using the ACP since launch, couldnt be happier
Please make a comparison between gopro 13 and insta Go 3s
I wonder of DC Rainmaker got a bad copy of the DJI Action 4 or if you got a really good copy. Chips and such can vary quite a bit from batch to batch. The hot outdoors is valid, because if you use it on a car dashboard, the heat with no airflow kills a camera fast.
That's exactly what I was thinking on DC's Action is maybe it was just a bad batch. I have two Action 4's and have never had either of them overheat, which is why I thought the numbers sounded odd. I've also had them snowboarding and never had them freeze over on me either, but I'm pumped to see that the Hero 13 can now handle those freezing temps too no problem!
Love your channel you should do one test with GPS because I did some kind of test and GPS on 13 sucks
it was a forgiving test as there wasn't any direct sun on the chassis of the cameras.... motorbike riders will experience both during summer
Good result for Action4. I was shocked when I heard GoPro13 beat Action4 in the overheating test. Now I'm relieved. Now I'm just waiting to get either the new Action 5 or the discounted Action 4 replacing my GoPro 10.
Insta 360 Ace Pro for me.... Great camera with a very easy to navigate menu.
Bit sus on overheating/cold run tests anyway, but on your tests David I'm very happy with my choice.
Hey David - I love your analytical videos - real world stuff.
However, you missed one important factor in this test - actual camera temperature.
Insta360 allows their cameras to get to obscene temperatures before shutting down.
I spent 40 years as a mechanical engineer in Silicon Valley. A good part of that time was designing housings and cooling systems for high-zoot network analyzers.
All of the IC manufacturers that I worked with specify that for every 10 degrees C increase over the IC rated temperature, the IC life is cut in half.
Running a camera at high temperature is death on the electronics.
Did you load them with the same memory card?
Same 256gb SanDisk memory card in all four. Legit the exact same conditions across the board👍
Just received my GoPro 13 and no updated Quik Pro available on the play store to connect to my Google 9 Pro.
Oh... crap.
3:13 lol, this was amazing.
Manufacturers need to implement similar cooling body fixtures such as fins etc to direct air to parts of the body where heat is intense.
I prefer this tests than just listening to a guy saying GoPro is the best.
Great job on the video David! Thanks for making it. You don't have to go to Dubai for that kind of climate. Vegas stays those temps throughout July and August, so I would say those are pretty "real world" tests for action cameras. Surfing and snowboarding aren't the only kind of action, David. 🤣😂
I do agree with DC that these overheating test videos are. Nobody actually uses their cameras like this. Because I support your ch I did let the video run the entire time to support you. You and DC are both great but you clearly have your favorites. 😂
Exactly what I wanted to see, I'll be moving to Indonesia doing long vlogs! Thanks! :)
I know this may not be relevant but I used to have the GoPro Hero 10 and just using that for POV driving clips it would overheat within 15 minutes. Not to mention that in a car interior it sucks with the shadows and has a lot of noise. I switched to the DJI Action 4 and it has NEVER overheated. Not to mention it is way better with lowlight scenarios.
It is surprising that few people focus on the weight and size of the camera. This is really important, the more compact the device, the harder it is to make good regulation / heat output. In this aspect, DJI leaves no chance to competitors.
I'm still using hero 7 black 😅 and I'm quite satisfied. It runs at middle winter fost about an hour. Anything that could stay longer would be excellent. What I would expect is helmet with built in camera. Heat can be spreaded more likely. Also head can give additional warmth to camera when there is big frost. Why the dont make silver housing cameras? black color gathers lot of infrared radiation...
Please do an external mic audio test as well
Could you provide links to your muitl camera mount, and adapter for the tripod? Could not find it with the links you listed.
I’m sure that there can be significant differences between the batteries and cameras within the models.
DC could have done the same test but got different results due to battery or camera differences.
Totally possible! I'm wondering if maybe his batteries were old or faulty. I've got two Action 4 cameras and even in testing it's hard to get them to overheat
Nothing to do with the video, but what sunglasses are you using??? I like the color and the style of it!
Here you go! geni.us/DMBlenders
Wondering...... Direct sunlight vs in shade..... Your test seemed to be in the shade.... Where was DC's Shade or Direct Sunlight???
You should have had the cameras pointing at the Thermometer. They you could have done a split screen view
Crap. Where were you when I was filming this?!
@@DavidManningvlog - Anytime you need an extra hand, you just get in touch, buddy (or come to Barbados!!) 😂
I don't know, I think those videos are interesting to watch, but never in my life has a GoPro overheated for me (And I did multi-hour videos and time warps in 4k+)
I have done 5.3K Timewarp with HERO11 for entire 4.5 hours drive during Australia's hot summer. It didn't overheat at all.
the number [ 1 ] on the #AcePro makes me suspect that a new version is coming and should be differentiated 😀
But why would you have it mounted and not have it on while out in the cold? Keep it in your coat so the battery stays charged.
Finalmente o teste que eu precisava ver..
DJI all the way! Cause I dont have ACE PRO YET 😂 love them both!
You say all the settings are the same but what is the video bitrate of each of the videos created?
lol they shouldn’t have send it if they didn’t want honesty 😅😅 action 4 all the way love that little thing.
I indeed live in Dubai, and even the ace pro would struggle here. Great tests David
Be waiting for your in-depth comparison in image quality of the 4. 😊
Storm Chasing on Sunny day with GoPro sitting in the roasting hot windshield area!
Why when I use 4K 60 FPS on both my Action 4 footage looks worse than my GoPros
Excellent video, the gopro 13 is a crap and wait a couple of weeks for action 5pro and Insta AcePro 2 and it will be the gopro RIP
i record kids baseball games in 4K 60fps, the GoPros were worthless so I moved to the DJI action 3. When the 4 came out I was exited.. 1st game it overheated 25mins in. I returned by action 4 due to overheating. Went back to the action 3. Games are about 2hrs long with 90gb used. We’re in Fl btw
Was that an iceco fridge/freezer?
That was a crazy heat wave in San Diego! 🔥
So brutal!🔥
Very valuable video, always lowed to record videos at the freezer.
Is this still happening. I switched to DJI action 3 and it’s never turned itself off or frozen. It stops the recording and you don’t lose footage but never behaves like GoPro.
Now if they just at bluetooth connectivity to it
I find these overheating tests extremely important. The whole purpose of action cams is to be very small and durable and keep recording under any extreme circumstances and never break. That is under water, in extreme heights, in blizzards in forest fires after hitting something at high speeds even if the lens slightly cracks. An action camera must be as durable and enduring as possible and keep recording as long as possible and be very reliable. GoPro consistently fails to achieve that - at least when it comes to overheating.
Were the 2 cameras in the middle picking up heat from the other cameras with less air circulation than the two on the ends?
Yes
Temp conversion:
113 F = 45 C
5F = - 15 C
4F= -15,5555556 C
I’ve had a lot of issues with the last several GoPros. They even replaced a few for me. And I wasn’t do anything extreme. I was recording inside a climate controlled area, or in a barn in Texas, but not super hot. Their tech basically told me to drop down all my settings to keep it from overheating. Turn off gps, turn off all the bells and whistles they used to sell it 🙄 Like, what’s the point?
That being said, it affects the performance of each camera. Maybe he didn’t realize they weren’t at exactly the same settings. Maybe one had gps still on, or whatever. Point is, that’s the part we don’t know and if it affected the outcome. Mine (GoPro) still over heats, but just not quite AS QUICKLY. It works great snorkeling though 🤷🏼♀️👍🏻
Even on the 2nd test the GP13 had the front screen on all time, like you said "screen produces a lot of heat"
Man hope you can get the "cheap 13" I mean the one with no front screen and that thing that looks like a full front radiator We need the heat test on these Vs all the other cameras
DC has made a lot review about Go Pro vs Action Cam but he is biased towards GP and he never does a side by side (test) comparison until the cam dies.
I would have waited for the action 5. Since I think it comes out this month. If there’s an ace pro 2 I’m expecting it in November
Last winter in the Alps, at altitudes of 2500-3500m (that's 8200 - 11500 feet for the Americans reading this) and temps of -3 celsius to -10/-11 celsius (down to 12 Fahrenheit) my Osmo Action 4 performed flawlessly. That's why I dumped my GoPros - they could never perform like that.
i really hope you see this comment. I recently ordered a GoPro Hero 13 for 530 dollars and do karting and want to put one on my helmet. i race in tournaments usually for 15 to 20 minutes in around 80 fahrenheit. do you think i will face any problems like overheating? should i cancel the order and buy the dji action 5 pro
Thanks David. Now I know which camera to take into the freezer. Actually, I moved from CA last year to PA and it could get that cold here.
1:49 so Action 4 isn't for me then, I need a camera for riding in subzero temps for hours. My Hero 7 can't do it for even few minutes, so pointless for me to get another camera with same issue.
Hero 7 and 13 are vastly different...
@madwatchstudios I know, Hero 13 is bigger, different sensor, higher bit rate. Different batteries.