I’m actually in the process of building a high rpm LS using the old school firing order for this exact reason. Hunting a specific sound. Until this video I have never come across anyone actually testing this before. Thank you Steve 💪🏻
Sweet, my TBSS just made 968 to the tire on pump 93 and 21 psi. Very proud of it I did the machine work and engine build, fuel system, All electrical work, even built the 4L80 myself.
@gerrymilidantri6457; Steve Morris is a great, high level engine builder, assembler, mechanic that was also involved with building engines for professional drag racing teams mostly Pro-Mod and similar. Steve is not an engineer nor designs develops engines or other motor sports components. It seems that many common people are unaware of the basic differences between engineers, technicians, assemblers and such. The differences are similar to, with, within buildings, which people may be somewhat familiar with. A. The Architect designs the building with all of the details, including the layouts, plans for all of aspects of the building. B. The Builder, builds the building according to the plans C. There are also engineers involved within the building designs often, for the engineering aspects, details within the structure, also electrical systems and especially for new, or innovative designs, buildings and according to building codes, rules, etc. D. The builder, may have a foreman responsible to oversee all of the construction or also be the foreman. E. The construction is performed by trained individuals with construction skills. G. It is possible for one person may be the Architect, Engineer, Builder, Foreman and executes all of the construction or any combination from the top down. This is similar with every product including automobiles, motor vehicles, aircraft, electrical devices, power, electronics, etc. Hope this basic information is clear, helpful, useful, beneficial and taken within the context, intents and purpose desired. All the Best Sincerely
Watched a Dyno test where the testers ran an engine open at the header collector and another test with extension pipes (beyond the 4-1 collector), attached. Any header extension under 18 inches, resulted in less power. (Obviously, the sound seems to be the motivator for running uncorked at the collector, but I found that interesting.
I love this guy's energy and freaking knowledge. I wish I had the money to have my sbf F1A build done by him but I'm not ready to spend the money yet. I'm see how far safle I can take a stock block
It would be nice to see the whole thing blue. Or do from the bottom of the windows down blue and keep the top black. Thank you for all the knowledge you give us on your work!
Sweet daily ride. I tell people all the time, my Mustang was the most fun at about 650-700 rwhp. More than that it was hard to have fun on the streets.
The best part is it is Dewey approved! I would have done locking hubs and a disengage transfer case so you could still do 4wd launches if you wanted but it would drive nice. Perhaps a suburban with an smx would be a better platform. for a daily 1000rwhp. Probably could even bump it to 1250 with the same handling with the less flexy body. 🙂
I like the sound of the firing order. I've seen the mid and rear mounted turbos and you're exactly right. They are lazy and you better have a good scavenge pump. When they fail it's a lot of SMOKE!
"it gets dicey" "this is a good way to get hurt" "it's a handful" -big grin on his face the whole time. Ok, Steve, we hear you 1,000 hp at the crank is a bit much for the street 😉
Another good video Steve I'm sorry I hadn't had any content lately but I've been very sick for over the last month and I still ain't well I love the combination on the trailblazer SS I was thinking considering one for my 65 C10 similar to around a thousand horsepower on my daily driver truck but I have to put that on the back burner for now keep the contents going enjoy your videos I do think your excellent machine is too
Assuming a flat plane crank would do the same thing and be basically the same as a cross plane crank power wise if everything else about the engine is the same, but a wildly different exhaust note?
I just picked up my first TBSS. Had a blown motor and trans. I’ve got a built 6L and a 4L80e. I’d love to do the same turbo setup is there a write up on this SS so I can get ideas on how to go with the turbo setup ??
Love how everyone has started saying oh 8ts Mexico, like cleetus, I watched him go 160mph on flas public roads, then say it’s Mexico, yet there’s other videos with the same trees!and back ground from in front of his track..lol..
Can you make a video or is there a video that shows everything with oiling system on turbo? I’m in the process of a mid mount turbo on my Chevy ssr and keep getting oil inside exhaust and cold side
I just LOVE IT!!!!....STUPID power for that truck......SO glad i signed up!!!!!.....i see so many dif things, dif applications, AWESOME, i'm wondering if you cud do another vid on yer Ford Cammer/turbo build.....my DIE HARD Ford guy boss, was intrested in whats happening....(he's 70, been around this for a LONG time)......wud be nice to have an update....PEACE to you Steve, and ur vids NEVER disapoint!!!
@MrBlackbutang; Steve is an engine builder, technician, assembler, mechanic which some fabrication skills not an engineer. Please see my comments involving the basic descriptions to@gerrymilidantri6457; All The Best Sincerely
Will you be doing any N/A LS3 real firing order cams? I have a 2017 Holden Caprice LS3 with cold air and an exhaust. Great car, dud sound. It's no race car, but I hate the "barking dog" note. Like my previous LS1 '05 Holden Statesman, they just don't sound like my old SBCs or my 454 K3500. I'm not alone in wanting to do this. Your Trailblazer is proof of how good this can sound.
Supposedly the 18726543 is supposedly smother (vibration wise) to 18436572. I know the first FO was used to smooth out the engine for endurance and it was adopted by GM for the same reasons. This is all i heard from other vids and online articles, never did it myself
@@kylestubblefield3404 Allegedly GM did it on the LS for more balanced bearing wear but who knows. It’s the same firing order as the small block ford too. Nascar Chevy engines used to rev to 10k on the conventional firing order without any issue so it’s not a limiting factor for rpm.
Are those awd parts still available.i have a lsr block I need built also. I'm trying to beat your awd trailblazer ss record. What better than to be helped by the guy who holds the record so he can still be part of it.
l put together a a couple of turbo 4-cylinder Chrysler's one had a Maserati cylinder head on it it was lazy until the boost came on then all hell broke loose front-wheel-drive was a little scary
It's kind of funny. I always thought that over 100hp on a street bike made them kind of boring on the street because they are instantly going way too fast any time you lean on them at all. Well, they weigh less than a tenth as much as Steve's car. So that's right in the ball park. The thing is, you can buy 200hp motorcycles right off of the showroom floor and they cost less than a cheap car. My issue right now is that you can't buy a premium motorcycle that is light weight and makes around 80 to 90hp. All the bikes in that range are heavy budget bikes with a lot of substandard components.
Can you please explain why when you have an engine on the dyno stand that when you accelerate it sounds like you're coming off the accelerator then getting back on the accelerator mid pull?
Where's the throttle body hiding?? Is it under the truck near the turbo?? Or the reducer on the front of the plenum actually the throttle body?? I didn't see a cable or servo motor anywhere.
Steve, where can I get one of those intercoolers? I have a similar setup (not nearly as nice or powerful) and I need an intercooler. What a great build! Thanks, Mike
Those parts you have would be exactly what I need. I have an AWD Astro Van and want to customize it for a particular use I had in mind. What kind of $$$ you looking for? 🤔✌️😎
Yah it’s not 4X4 because you didn’t want to deal with the front right axle plugging in and out of the oil pan. I don’t blame you. Differential bolted up to the oil pan. Ridicules
Just one question, how do you oil and return the turbo? Seems it would need a sump pump and extra plumbing. Great build and fun to drive. Thanks for sharing.
@@stevemorrisracing @FeralPreacher Looks like its a simple pump. I've got a rear mount on the silverado, you can reference the oil post filter off the block, and simple pump back to the engine valley. Like shown here, no need for a sump. I run mine entirely separate from the engine oil, each has its pro/cons. Love seeing none conventional placement
Hey Steve, what's the chance i could stop by and get a tour, hang out, and run some performance ideas pass you that i have been going over in my head, honestly a serious friction reduction treatment for rod & main journals, and i may be able to bring examples in the form of ground round blanks. Let me know the width and diameter of a common main, and i will machine, grind, and add my idea to the surface so i can have something physical in hand for you let me know
I’m actually in the process of building a high rpm LS using the old school firing order for this exact reason. Hunting a specific sound. Until this video I have never come across anyone actually testing this before. Thank you Steve 💪🏻
I would love to have the same thing! Bring this to market Steve!!!
Steve morris builds never disappoint 👏
Sweet, my TBSS just made 968 to the tire on pump 93 and 21 psi. Very proud of it I did the machine work and engine build, fuel system, All electrical work, even built the 4L80 myself.
Very nice
Steve seems like such an humble, down to earth guy. And I like the way he says “innerkewwler.”
Another beautifully executed piece of engineering by Steve Morris Engines
@gerrymilidantri6457;
Steve Morris is a great, high level engine builder, assembler, mechanic that was also involved with building engines for professional drag racing teams mostly Pro-Mod and similar.
Steve is not an engineer nor designs develops engines or other motor sports components.
It seems that many common people are unaware of the basic differences between engineers, technicians, assemblers and such.
The differences are similar to, with, within buildings, which people may be somewhat familiar with.
A. The Architect designs the building with all of the details, including the layouts, plans for all of aspects of the building.
B. The Builder, builds the building according to the plans
C. There are also engineers involved within the building designs often, for the engineering aspects, details within the structure, also electrical systems and especially for new, or innovative designs, buildings and according to building codes, rules, etc.
D. The builder, may have a foreman responsible to oversee all of the construction or also be the foreman.
E. The construction is performed by trained individuals with construction skills.
G. It is possible for one person may be the Architect, Engineer, Builder, Foreman and executes all of the construction or any combination from the top down.
This is similar with every product including automobiles, motor vehicles, aircraft, electrical devices, power, electronics, etc.
Hope this basic information is clear, helpful, useful, beneficial and taken within the context, intents and purpose desired.
All the Best
Sincerely
That is one cool shop truck . Most impressive; a true sleeper. Thanks for sharing.
Tbss 🖤. Have a 08 with a 402 stroker / manual 4l80 . My daily truly , and bought it new . 273k on the chassis . Respect brotha 👊🏼🍻🦾
Watched a Dyno test where the testers ran an engine open at the header collector and another test with extension pipes (beyond the 4-1 collector), attached. Any header extension under 18 inches, resulted in less power. (Obviously, the sound seems to be the motivator for running uncorked at the collector, but I found that interesting.
That blue looks killer.. I think you should do a big SM “ Your logo” on the side
This is great info. The raspy LS sound drives me crazy. I am going to do a build with the old SBC/BBC firing order.
I love this guy's energy and freaking knowledge. I wish I had the money to have my sbf F1A build done by him but I'm not ready to spend the money yet. I'm see how far safle I can take a stock block
Steve, Sounds very good with the 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2, would like to hear more of it at idle and with the cut out open if you can.
I'm surprised by how civilized it sounds, for being such a beast :)
It would be nice to see the whole thing blue. Or do from the bottom of the windows down blue and keep the top black. Thank you for all the knowledge you give us on your work!
Man.. makes me real excited to make my envoy something of this caliber
that is so cool it's got to be a blast to drive. I like that the ls has a little better sound to it with that different firing order cam
Great rig, the blue looks alright don't know about the whole car, all the best to yous and your loved ones
this is pretty neat, i have an 08 saab 9-7x 5.3i that is stock except for PAC 1218 springs and a sloppy stage 2 cam...for now
Sweet daily ride. I tell people all the time, my Mustang was the most fun at about 650-700 rwhp. More than that it was hard to have fun on the streets.
Those Kumho’s are pretty good tires. I’ve run them pretty fast but, not as fast as that shop truck.
Those are Hankook Ventus ST III tires. I've got a set on my Sierra Denali. Nice tires!
Notice your name says Ozarks. I'm in that area myself!
I like it better in black than blue, wish he had done it in that red that mopar or one that ford uses on their raptors.
Pretty slick 'daily driver' there.. sounds really solid.
The best part is it is Dewey approved! I would have done locking hubs and a disengage transfer case so you could still do 4wd launches if you wanted but it would drive nice. Perhaps a suburban with an smx would be a better platform. for a daily 1000rwhp. Probably could even bump it to 1250 with the same handling with the less flexy body. 🙂
I like the sound of the firing order. I've seen the mid and rear mounted turbos and you're exactly right. They are lazy and you better have a good scavenge pump. When they fail it's a lot of SMOKE!
Fuckin badass TBSS!! Absolutely love this truck!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪💪
If I ever saw you out driving, I'm gonna floor my minivan just to watch and hear that thing take off. Lol
Dude love the sign with the fish
So you can change firing order with camshaft but with standard crank? Interesting. Guess that makes sense just nvr thought bout it.
yep just have to remeber that when you go to set the timin
Great content thanks for sharing
Yes! I've been waiting for this, thanks Steve!
Standard firing order sounds that way because of # 5 and 7 right next to each other and sequential in the firing order. Patata patata patata
Nice ride Steve!!
55 my ass Steve you not fooling me lol
We need a ride along video in this thing!
"it gets dicey" "this is a good way to get hurt" "it's a handful" -big grin on his face the whole time. Ok, Steve, we hear you 1,000 hp at the crank is a bit much for the street 😉
Love the trailblazer content, keep it coming!
Andy does nice work, He wired up my bike.
Another good video Steve I'm sorry I hadn't had any content lately but I've been very sick for over the last month and I still ain't well I love the combination on the trailblazer SS I was thinking considering one for my 65 C10 similar to around a thousand horsepower on my daily driver truck but I have to put that on the back burner for now keep the contents going enjoy your videos I do think your excellent machine is too
Awesome video Steve !!
I would love to do this with my tbss.
I have an 02 escalade ive been building up .. I removed all the AWD stuff as well .. great minds think alike eh lol
That's a super cool ride but that mirror finish is awesome as well! 👌🏼💯🇬🇺
Assuming a flat plane crank would do the same thing and be basically the same as a cross plane crank power wise if everything else about the engine is the same, but a wildly different exhaust note?
I just picked up my first TBSS. Had a blown motor and trans. I’ve got a built 6L and a 4L80e. I’d love to do the same turbo setup is there a write up on this SS so I can get ideas on how to go with the turbo setup ??
I’ve noticed a lot of Americans do many trips to Mexico just to drive your cars 😂
Dam that thing sounds goooood.
Love how everyone has started saying oh 8ts Mexico, like cleetus, I watched him go 160mph on flas public roads, then say it’s Mexico, yet there’s other videos with the same trees!and back ground from in front of his track..lol..
Cool project
Can you make a video or is there a video that shows everything with oiling system on turbo? I’m in the process of a mid mount turbo on my Chevy ssr and keep getting oil inside exhaust and cold side
Swapping firing order has longevity improvements.
I absolutely love trailblazers, strait 6 or V8s
"PRIVATE ROADS" I often go into private communities to test my vehicles it's a shorter drive than to Mexico, LOL
Nice truck....love it
Maybe fastest on 22's, but Shawn's Man Van goes at least 9.6x's AWD.
But still super freaking cool!
1.65 sixty ft
😁
I'd love that combo in my 67 nova. Some day
I just LOVE IT!!!!....STUPID power for that truck......SO glad i signed up!!!!!.....i see so many dif things, dif applications, AWESOME, i'm wondering if you cud do another vid on yer Ford Cammer/turbo build.....my DIE HARD Ford guy boss, was intrested in whats happening....(he's 70, been around this for a LONG time)......wud be nice to have an update....PEACE to you Steve, and ur vids NEVER disapoint!!!
In process
@@stevemorrisracing 👍 TY sir!!
It's your story you tell it anyway you want to.
Mexico lmao 🤣😂
Love the blue Steve.
Love your mechanical engineering skills. Building the same in ford 351 version. Not so much lag though compounded turbo’s absolutely awesome 😊
@MrBlackbutang; Steve is an engine builder, technician, assembler, mechanic which some fabrication skills not an engineer.
Please see my comments involving the basic descriptions to@gerrymilidantri6457;
All The Best
Sincerely
Sounds wicked!
Rite on cool as usual
Coolest peice of equipment
Needs some 10 way double adjustable shocks front an rear.
I guess there's a Mexico, Michigan just like Mexico, Indiana.
I want that Trailblazer.
Will you be doing any N/A LS3 real firing order cams? I have a 2017 Holden Caprice LS3 with cold air and an exhaust. Great car, dud sound. It's no race car, but I hate the "barking dog" note. Like my previous LS1 '05 Holden Statesman, they just don't sound like my old SBCs or my 454 K3500. I'm not alone in wanting to do this. Your Trailblazer is proof of how good this can sound.
New laptop running the dyno? With SSD I presume? Need to get the Death Trap back to see if that did the trick and no more blue screens 😅
I’ve never heard someone say “stock” so many times for an obviously unstock vehicle. :D
I think it actually does sound better than an LS
Supposedly the 18726543 is supposedly smother (vibration wise) to 18436572. I know the first FO was used to smooth out the engine for endurance and it was adopted by GM for the same reasons. This is all i heard from other vids and online articles, never did it myself
Wondering if the remote throttlebody gained any results?
Low end Tq?...hp?
I love the gmt360 platform.
My understanding of the LS Firing order, it makes it "better balanced" in power so it can rev higher? Can you speak to that
he JUST Said it made zero difference on the dyno
He said it made the same horsepower numbers. I asked about the balance in firing and rev limitation, e.g. max RPM.
@@kylestubblefield3404 Allegedly GM did it on the LS for more balanced bearing wear but who knows. It’s the same firing order as the small block ford too. Nascar Chevy engines used to rev to 10k on the conventional firing order without any issue so it’s not a limiting factor for rpm.
Are those awd parts still available.i have a lsr block I need built also. I'm trying to beat your awd trailblazer ss record. What better than to be helped by the guy who holds the record so he can still be part of it.
I wanna see this run against the cleetus blazer 😯
l put together a a couple of turbo 4-cylinder Chrysler's one had a Maserati cylinder head on it it was lazy until the boost came on then all hell broke loose front-wheel-drive was a little scary
That’s one hell of a grocery getter😅
Yes sir
It's kind of funny. I always thought that over 100hp on a street bike made them kind of boring on the street because they are instantly going way too fast any time you lean on them at all. Well, they weigh less than a tenth as much as Steve's car. So that's right in the ball park. The thing is, you can buy 200hp motorcycles right off of the showroom floor and they cost less than a cheap car. My issue right now is that you can't buy a premium motorcycle that is light weight and makes around 80 to 90hp. All the bikes in that range are heavy budget bikes with a lot of substandard components.
Can you please explain why when you have an engine on the dyno stand that when you accelerate it sounds like you're coming off the accelerator then getting back on the accelerator mid pull?
What do you consider "pump gas" ?
We have ....
87, 89, 93 and 94... as well as E85.
Please pick a number...😊❤
Awesome , Love it
Where's the throttle body hiding?? Is it under the truck near the turbo?? Or the reducer on the front of the plenum actually the throttle body?? I didn't see a cable or servo motor anywhere.
On intercooler
@@stevemorrisracingThanks for the reply.
Is that for packaging reasons or to increase plenum volume??
What about station wagon did you leave it on the street from miles forever thanks for the video have a great what's left of this week see ya
And how much pressure per 1000rpm do you like to see in turbo street engines
Was waiting to hear about the cam.
Steve, where can I get one of those intercoolers? I have a similar setup (not nearly as nice or powerful) and I need an intercooler. What a great build! Thanks, Mike
1 off we built it by hand
LS gorge…… Where you AT ??? We the people need to see this race 👍😎😎. Who you got your money on gents ???
Cool daily driver
Do you have to run an oil pump to return the oil from the turbo to the engine? I assume so. What color blue is that?
Yes.
Not sure
Those parts you have would be exactly what I need. I have an AWD Astro Van and want to customize it for a particular use I had in mind. What kind of $$$ you looking for? 🤔✌️😎
700 for all of it
500 for the 4 wheel drive case and center section and jack shaft assembly
Doesn´t the engine suck in a lot of dirt sitting down so low, and under the car? will this not wear out the engine?
Amazing ❤
Sweet trailblazer l would like to see that craziness you mention in action on the street. thanks for sharing your cool toys.
wrap red white blue somehow
Very nice ❤
Yah it’s not 4X4 because you didn’t want to deal with the front right axle plugging in and out of the oil pan. I don’t blame you. Differential bolted up to the oil pan. Ridicules
Just one question, how do you oil and return the turbo?
Seems it would need a sump pump and extra plumbing.
Great build and fun to drive.
Thanks for sharing.
Pump
@@stevemorrisracing
@FeralPreacher Looks like its a simple pump. I've got a rear mount on the silverado, you can reference the oil post filter off the block, and simple pump back to the engine valley. Like shown here, no need for a sump. I run mine entirely separate from the engine oil, each has its pro/cons. Love seeing none conventional placement
Beautiful ride. Mexico is full of crazy Gringos and their hot rods. 😎
Fascinating story!
Hey Steve, what's the chance i could stop by and get a tour, hang out, and run some performance ideas pass you that i have been going over in my head, honestly a serious friction reduction treatment for rod & main journals, and i may be able to bring examples in the form of ground round blanks. Let me know the width and diameter of a common main, and i will machine, grind, and add my idea to the surface so i can have something physical in hand for you let me know