VS | Darth Bane vs Darth Sidious
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- Book ends of the rule of two. Who will win out? The prologue or the epilogue?
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Bane would _hate_ Sidious. Sidious threw out Bane's teachings in order to feed his power lust.
+FirstRisingSouI And therein lies the sad reality of Bane's teachings--he himself was too devoted to the ideal of the Sith to understand that the Dark Side cares not for arbitrary rules and customs. The Rule of Two may have birthed Sidious, but he surpassed it.
+JXZX1 and yet Darth sidious gets himself killed, ending what Darth bane had set in motion and severely weakening the dark side of the force in doing so
+FirstRisingSouI Darth bane would of mess up Darth sidious, Darth sidious is just pawn of plagues and maybe even bane him self lol.
now if it was Darth Bane vs Darth Plagues now that would be a battle and a half, bane was fighting sith's and jedi's .
lol atm i think snoke was really telling Darth sidious about plagues not plagues himself ;p so it go plagues then snoke and then Darth sidious lol lol if Darth Bane finds out nothing will be safe ;p
be funny if bane fathered ankin instead of plagues lol throw the force ?
He would hate Plagueis just as much if not more because that was originally Hego Demask;s plan to end the rule of two with him as the leader. At least behind the scenes while Sidious aka Palpatine would be the figure head having the fame but not ultimate power while Demask would have the power but not ultimate fame and recognition.
Darth Bane was a badass, loved his books. Wish they made a movie or series about him
Tip Turkey That would be great
I hope that time will came too. Darth Bane movie (if they create it 1 to 1 with the books) probably will smash all records so far.
I freaking love those books,i can only hope they eventually do Bane justice and make a series of movies based off these fantastic books.
@@gushy7438 id be absolutely fine with a bane, or a revan trilogy!
If there was another Star Wars movie trilogy, Thats what it should be about.
When pointing out that Darth Bane had more trouble with his Jedi, you didn't seems to factor in the fact that his enemies were empowered through battle meditation, unlike Palpatine's enemies.
Empowered by battle meditations and much more experianced in force combat. Modern jedi were children compared to the old.
These jedi came ready for war. Palpatine killed some scared and suprised fools in their house. Not a fair comparison.
also, Jedi in that time were much more powerful. By the time of Palpatine, Jedi had grown weak from not fighting Sith for over a thousand years
@@thepackable The Jedi were NOT ready, they followed Zannah's ship there but were surprised by the 2 sith. Mace windu and his followers were very prepared after Anakin told him about Sidious. If not for his armor, Johun Othone (a knight) would have cut Bane's hand. Darth Sidious beat Yoda who is far more powerful than Valentyne Farfalla and Raska Lsuu combined. Darth Sidious easily destroyed Kit fisto, Agen Kollar, and tin, all of which are powerful jedi based on their feats. Darth Sidious was also confirmed as the most powerful sith. In the revenge of the sith novel Sidious was described as a Blurr because of his speed.
@@AH-cc9dd Darth Sidious beat Yoda who is far more powerful than Valentyne Farfalla and Raska Lsuu combined. Darth Sidious easily destroyed Kit fisto, Agen Kollar, and tin, all of which are powerful jedi based on their feats. In the revenge of the sith novel Sidious was described as a Blurr because of his speed.
As Bane would fry and slowly burn to death I think he'd smile. He'd look at Sidious with a smile, seeing what his Rule of Two had created. He'd be beyond pleased and accept his end at the hands of what he would see as the perfect Sith.
*perfect senate
it only makes sense that sidious would eventually win. otherwise the entire point of banes rule of two would be a failure. If bane could defeat a Sith a thousand years after him, his rule of two would be pointless. The goal is for the Sith to be more powerful than the last generation. I like the way it all played out. definitely one of my favorites of your vs series
Lance Chafin
Well, the rule of two was supposed to you killing your master. You could challenge him directly, or make a betrayal or decieve him when he/she is unaware. Those are the weapons of the dark side. The rule of two was supposed to make the next sith better not in terms of raw power, but in overall cunning, manipulation, in strategy and eventually political power. To be better you don't have to be stronger.
I think it's safe to say sidious had surpassed him by the time he killed him. The idea is surpassing your master. You don't necessarily have to fight to the death every single time. "At ANY point, the apprentice may rise and kill their master" it's safe to say sidious had declared the mantle of the true dark lord. If he hadn't, and if he had failed at killing plagieus in his sleep, plagieus would still be the true dark Lord. That's the way of the Sith, the way of the force. Bottom line, sidious knew he had surpassed his master by a long shot by this time and the it was the right time to kill his master, Because he no longer served any purpose to palpatine. My point is it's okay that palpatine killed plagieus in his sleep, because he knew that even in a fair fight to the death, plagieus wouldn't stand a chance anyway. If palpatine didn't know this, he wouldn't have killed him yet.
He surpassed him. He killed him in his sleep because he knew he was more powerful. He had surpassed him long before he killed him. You don't have to fight to the death EVERY time. Betrayal is the way of the Sith. Fair fights aren't exactly what the rule of two is. Bottom line, surpass your master and kill them after you do it. Doesn't have to be in a fair and square game. Just kill them because there's no use of them now that you've surpassed them and they have no knowledge to give.
Surpassing them has nothing to do with how you kill them.
He didn't HAVE to, he already knew if it'd been a fair fight, he still would have dominated him. Have you read the book?
As much as I like Darth Bane, he is no match for Sidious, who was the product of a thousand year system of sith becoming stronger and stronger, a system that Bane started.
+Tyler Crane I don't know about that. You could say he didn't actually DEFEAT his master, Darth Plagueis, because he knew he was too weak to do so, so he killed him in his sleep. Also, he didn't fully train any of his apprentices, out of fear that they would get stronger than him and kill him. He just had an assassin that he didn't even each how to use the force, and then Darth Vader, who, although very gifted, was still weaker than Darth Sidious because his training stopped pretty early, and he had to completely change his fighting style due to the life support armour.
***** From what we know, Plagueis was incredibly powerful; far more powerful that Sidious.
Some of his abilities include:
1)He was a master of midi-clorian manipulation. Something sidious never mastered.
2)A master of lightsaber combat (according to HIS master, darth tenebrous
3)Conjuration of force illusions that were advanced enough to confuse Sidious. He used these in combat.
4) Absorbing blaster bolts and transforming them into force lightning
5) Conjuration of a force wave that was so powerful, it could atomize at least up to 6 attackers.
6) his voice was as powerful as a sonic weapon
7) He could bring people back to life
8) He might have been capable of something called 'convection'; basically raising your body temperature to extreme heats, and even setting opponents on fire.
Darth Sidious did not care so much about power as Darth Plagueis; he was more concerned with his political power, which is why he killed his master; he would have only gotten in the way.
+Dawn Of The Revolution (DTR) Sidious told the story to Anakin of how he defeated his master in the theater scene in Rise of the Sith. In it he states that his master had lost his powers.
+Tyler Crane I disagree.
If there was a fight, Bane certainly win, according I have read : the three books about Bane and the book about Darth Plagueis
Bane always train and fight, he can endure pain like anyone, and the guy built an holocron !!!
He defeated Kas'im ( his sword professor ) with his abilities and the force, plus his intelligence. He deafeated three great Jedi Masters ( and please dont compare with saesee tiin and agen kolar, they seems so weak )
So Sidious is powerfull yes, but he lost again windu, and he didn't beat yoda.
The most important aspect is Sidious spend much of his time in manipulation and politics, so he wasn't trained to fight like Bane.
If Sidious had the same life as Bane, maybe he will be more powerfull, but based on books ( and my deductions, I admit that ) Sidious is no match against Bane
Darth Plagueis is still alive guys. not trying to give spoilers
Nothing beats Bane in that armor, except himself...
Haha, true. I just finished reading rule of two so ayyy I know what you're talking about
Well it did kinda work out that way lol. Funny thing is that against Sidious the armor is probably a detriment more than a help though since it made him even weaker to force lightning than Vader AND he didn't know it was a weakness until he got hit with it.
@@jamespuso1627 it didn't make him weaker to force lightning than vader. If you recall correctly, the orbalisks absorbed a bunch of lightning and whatnot. Remember when those assasins put 5 of those maxed out charged poles on him? the charge only slightly got to bane. Sidious' force lightning will at most have the same effect as that.
@@leofont6026 I think they only got him a little because the polls only killed the individual orbalisk bug they shocked, I would have to try to double check on that. The trick about force lightning is it's pretty much a full body shock, so all the orbalisks die at once and release their venom.
@@jamespuso1627 none of the orbalisks died when the poles got him. The shock was just so much it went through his armour a little. If they died they would've already have injected the venom. The only time the orbalisk armour died was when a, he got stuck in that forcefield the moment he shot lightning at that jedi and it kept on bouncing around, amplifying the power, and b, when they were removing the orbalisk armour at Caleb's place
Darth Sidious vs Darth Bane isn't a fight. If Bane could beat Sidious his entire Rule of Two was a failure. Sidious is stated many times to be the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Darth Bane's entire goal was to make the perfect Sith, which, after 1000 years, was Darth Sidious. The last in a line of progressively better Sith is sure to beat the very first in the same line. That's the whole point of the Rule of Two.
There's no need to go beyond that. This isn't a fight. Sidious would win.
Sidious drugged and killed his master in his sleep and didn't learn everything there was to know from him. The biggest thing he didn't learn was the manipulation of midichlorians
+TheGoldenRabbit And his master killed Tenebrous when he was smashed under rocks. Plageuis wasn't honorable about it either which in my opinion shows them to be more evil.
Sidious is the Sith, he was complete, he didnt even need to fight to accomplish what he did.He commanded the CIS, took control of the Republic, declared the Empire. He doesn't need to fight his intellect is unmatched.
No he should sith in bane day fought jedi more often he was use to combat and could take more damage in sidiouses day there was no real since and jedi action
No he should sith in bane day fought jedi more often he was use to combat and could take more damage in sidiouses day there was no real since and jedi action
When I first thought of Darth Bane:
"Ahh, Obi. You think the Force is your ally? I was born with it. MMMOLDED by it!"
HAHAHA!
Darksido What about Darth Plagueis against Palpatine in an all-out Force/Lightsaber duel? Afterall, Darth Plagueis may have been killed by Palpatine in his sleep but during the time Palpatine was still his apprentice where Palpatine was 'spared no mercy' at times when Darth Plagueis trained and schooled him in the way of the Sith ...and afterall Darth Plagueis did train Palpatine to a high standard to achieving power eh? Not to mention where Darth Plagueis told Palpatine to '"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" and as a means of 'Forcing' him to face his fears and darkest secrets - as well as at one time 'Forcing' Palpatine to nearly freeze to death without food for sleep on Mygeeto and when Palpatine thought he had the best of Darth Plagueis - Darth Plagueis deceived him with an illusion ...
And considering at one point Darth Plagueis did lecture Palpatine about the essence and aspects of Sith Lightning - where Darth Plagueis remarked how Palpatine would 'one day have to be on the receiving end of it'... to truly apply its powers ...
And not to mention Palpatine did seek immortality and the fact he had no intentions to die by any apprentice's hand - yet he didn't unlock the true secret of Midichlorian Manipulation - whilst Darth Plagueis was probably closer to that than almost any other being in the Galaxy of the SW verse so even if Palpatine in the end had the overall edge in Force powers - surely the Midichlorian Manipulation would favor Darth Plagueis - least of which if he needed to retreat or regenerate himself one way or another whilst Palpatine had to rely on the painful 'Essence Transfer' ...
And given Darth Plagueis once trained Palpatine - surely who's to say he may still have the means to counter or deal with Palpatine or an old trick up his sleeve that he may not have taught Palpatine despite Palpatine's claim that ' he taught him everything he knew about the Force'... and the fact that Palpatine wasn't able to replicate Midichlorian Manipulation ... or where the fact how if we see how Count Dooku managed to best Obi Wan, but Master Yoda managed to hold off Count Dooku or Obi Wan still managing to hold off Anakin - when he was Sith-enraged ... so surely who's to say Darth Plagueis can't do the same eh? Or where Palpatine managed to defeat Darth Maul despite all his pain and training ...
Darth Sidious Ah! Master Palpatine - Yes Yes - so how be things since, Darth Plagueis, the Naboo Crisis, Clone Wars, Death Stars I/II and Empire now and then and the fact that Disney now has SW rights - you ready to face MICKEY MOUSEWALKER, MAX SOLO, DAISY FETT, PRINCESS MINNIE MOUSEGANA, DARTH GOOFY, DARTH DONALD, PLUBACCA, ... AND THE FACT THAT EMPEROR VON DRAKE-PATINE MIGHT BE THE CARICATURE OF YOUR IMAGE HAHA! AND ON THE SIDELINES PERHAPS PAD-DUCKS LOUEY, DUEY AND HUEY ... PLUS PETE THE MUTT AND GRAND MOUSE MORTUFF-KIN... AND THE CLONEMATION ARMY 101 ...
Now - as with Darth Maul eh? Well 'Master Palpatine' - as with your former Apprentice out of the list of Count Dooku, Anakin, Luke and well a would-be Galen Marek - here's the following uses:
1.) A 'bench-mark' physical standard for future clones in case 'going Jango' was too far
2.) A back-up template and Apprentice should Anakin have been killed off for good and the fact there's no point waiting another few decades now and then for a new Apprentice candidate
3.) A Sith 'punching bag'
4.) What Darth Plagueis the 'Scholar of the Midichlorians' did to Darth Veniamis - subject Darth Maul to a series of Force-enhanded experiments and augumentations
5.) Send Darth Maul on various missions for the 'thrill of it' or just to 'troll him off-track' whilst you may have more meaningful Force-based business or another Clone Wars to run
6.) Eliminates the risk of rivalry and reduces the risk Darth Maul poses if he was allowed to run independently and actually rule from Mandalore - so send him again on secret missions or such - given there's only so much time even Count Dooku or General Grievous can occupy in a system at a time ...
7.) A Dark Side Acrolyte replacing Asajj Ventress (a spy or Sith bounty hunter perhaps) if the fact 'Back-up Apprentice' doesn't help out much...
8.) Guard Korriban or anything of some value to Palpatine's business perhaps (like secret hideouts or sensitive information)
9.) Send Darth Maul to become the commander or leader of a Sith Army or Separatist Army Supervisor or something incase General Grievous isn't enough ...
10.) Send Darth Maul to 'coerce' or 'enforce' loyalty to Palpatine from a planet system unknown to the Core Systems of the Galaxy or find new 'allies' ...
11.) Send Darth Maul to 'infiltrate' the Jedi Temple and 'pretend' to convert to the Lightside of the Force - kinda like point 7 but perhaps this time also have Darth Maul steal or kidnap younglings or holocrons or sabotage ...
12.) The previous 11 points ... or just simply send Darth Maul to sabotage the Clone War effort on both sides ...
Just 12 'credit points' worth of some 'uses' you may have for Darth Maul ...
Darth Sidious Master Palpatine - well - the thing is its a matter of perception and POV's and depends on who likes what TV shows and such - you and I might have different views on the 'Best TV shows' ...
Henceforth - it depends on perception... and well I can't really give a blanket answer BUT ... consider:
-Resources (the credits, the cash, the people you hire) ...
-Audience ratings and perceptions ...
-Popularity of characters ... (who gets killed off, who stays, who lives, who leaves)
-'Development hell' or 'Writer's Block
-Generation POV's ...
-Or simply 'watered' down ... from classic Disneys to well what we get today HENCE MICKEY MOUSEWALKER to the CLONEMATION ARMY ...
-Time (look at The Bill - ran from 1983 October to just around July 2010 or August 2010 - I ain't making this up!)
-The voice actors/actors times may be up - or replaced with someone else who may not be up to the standard
-Rights to the film/TV shows
-FATE - THE WILL OF THE FORCE
Just a few credits worth of mine :( ...
By the time I saw a lightsaber it was nothing to me but blinding
I like how Bane was all like "the war on the Jedi cannot be won with mere blasters and soldiers" to the Sith Lords of his time yet sidious is all "EXECUTE ORDER 66!!!!"
Yeah but it wasn't really the blasters that killed the Jedi. I mean yeah sure if you're speaking purely technically but it was probably the trust the Jedi had in their troops. There are very few Jedi who can stop like 60 Clones and their vehicles/heavy weaponry at point blank with no warning.
It was palpatines shroud of darkness that prevented the jedi from sensing it. Further more throwing up so much that they could sense to further distract from their inevitable doom.
In Terms of Duelling:
You should have accounted for Banes first fight with Zana.
Bane had no weapon and no obelisk armor, but Zana couldn't land a single strike on him.
Yes! My point exactly. And Sidious is NOT the powerhouse everyone seems to think. He had perverted to rule of two and was no match for Bane.
@@mystwolfe7791 Sidious was the point of the Rule of Two, he brought the end of the Jedi and established a Sith empire, this was Bane's goal with the Rule of Two.
@@andrewft31 He never truly destroyed the Jedi. After all, Obi - Wan And Yoda survives and there were other Jedi who still lived.
@@starwarslegendsfan5712 he did destroy them, people had forgotten about them after having the public turn on them.
@@andrewft31 they came back eventually so no they were not destroyed as it’s impossible for one to completely wipe out the other
Interesting dynamic. Bane invented the rule of two but was born of an era where combat power was still the goal. The rule helped cultivate a new kind of Sith that prized power of manipulation and influence over brute power. Yet Sidious, despite being the end of the line, was part of a group of three final Sith who had all tried to abandon the rule of 2 in various ways. Plagueis and Sidious had even killed their masters rather cowardly rather than via proving they had exceeded their teachers, as Bane intended. They're inverses of the same problem in a way.
I think you underestimate Bane's knowledge of lightsaber combat.
I think Bane is physically superior and a stronger dualist and while he could keep up with his master who was the definitive greatest dualist of the era Sidious would have a slight edge in technique simply because Bane wouldn't have much experience against dual wielding since his master purposely neglected to teach him that. Bane also is also a very tactical dualist whereas Sidious is simply used to overpowering opponents without too much strategy. Tough one to call.
Kyle Rahaman how many light saber duelist did Sidious fight in a time dominated by Jedi? Dark side duelists he had little experience against. Bane fought in wars while sidious trained. Sidious was too week to even defeat plaguous without getting him intoxicated . Bane waited patiently for a head on attack from a double blades Zannah. Even the Jedi of Sidious time didn’t engage with many other lightsaber duelists unless it was practice with other Jedi. Also in Banes Orbalisk armor he’s essentially invulnerable to LS damage. So long fight close up dueling Sidious gets the spanking of his life. At a distance Sidious crushes bane with force lightning which orbalisks are vulnerable too. Terrible matchup by poster. Not well thought out.
@@grimvaderdehoff8364 what a joke, Sidious killed Windu and beat Yoda. Bane didn't fight against any powerful jedi like Yoda. Sidious was known as the most powerful sith lord ever. But I agree this isn't a great match up
@@justsomeguywhokeepsgetting4885 he only killed Windu because of Anakin cut Windus hand off otherwise he was done lost the Saber battle and was beaten.
@@justsomeguywhokeepsgetting4885 did you even read the book lol? Bane fought battle meditated master and grandmaster as well as a knight. Raskta was the greatest Jedi duelist ever during that time. And those Jedi had been fighting the brotherhood of darkness for years. Raskta killed over 100 Dark Lord's of the sith. Mace windu and those other jedi sidious killed were chumps compared to battle meditated raskta and farfalla
This is a tough one. Darth Bane was relentless. You must also bear in mind that when Bane fought the 3 Jedi with Darth Zana, he was already heavily fatigued from mowing down an entire army of metal creatures. A juggernaut indeed.
darth bane was the genius who came up with the rule of two... and darth sidious was the result of the success and the culmination of the rule of two...
Gabriel Garcia Yeah sure but that really doesn't change the duel :P
Lol idk just felt like saying that.. technically sidious is supposed to be the strongest sith.. but who really knows.. vitiate was really powerful too.. probably stronger..
Imagine how powerful Darth Vader could become since he is more force sensitive than Darth Sidious.
Weak1ings vader was powerful but he was weakened because he became slower
The backstory of Bane is completely EU, too. The name and that Darth Bane created the Rule of Two was made canon by the clone wars series but the ghost Bane doesn't even look or behave like the EU Bane when he meets Yoda.
I think that everybody will agree that the fight with sidious against 4 jedi don't really count when 2 jedi are just standing there
+Elian Piano I think George Lucas writing ability is on par with a prepubescent teen's. We just got lucky with episodes 4-6.
+-GodJa- Wrong. His dialogue and casting were pretty bad. And Jar Jar was obviously a huge mistake, but beyond that his plots are very strong.
runelord37 While his plot may be ok, his execution was sub par.
+runelord37 i think the casting gets too much hate tbh.
I think if he just went on with the jar jar is a sith plan they would be a lot greater
"The _last_ emperor is always the _worst_ "
- Izaro
Bane learned the dark side, Sidious is the dark side...
UrbanFl0w Very, very apt description.
Actually it’s the other way around
^ the son was the ACTUAL dark side.
Reflexionz Sidious was almost choosen by the dark side and litteraly never felt power leave him
Bane felt the negative effects of The DS after 40 year
Divine Music bane can shine his bald head with spit in his ✋
I think it's worth mentioning that the Sith were subject to a somewhat unique problem with respect to the passing on of abilities and skills. The vast majority of Sith Lords were, by the nature of their order, distrustful and selfish with regard to their apprentices. They took an apprentice to ensure the Sith continued, but were highly selective with what they taught, otherwise they risked being quickly surpassed and subsequently killed by their apprentice.
These apprentices could often grow impatient and strike out at their masters before fully learning all the master had to teach them. This would result in abilities or skills that the master knew potentially being lost, in some cases forever. An example of this came with Sidious recounting the tale of "Darth Plagueis the Wise" and his abilities with manipulation of midi-chlorians. Although Sidious believed he had learned all his master knew, he was never able to accurately reproduce the technique of his former master, suggesting Plagueis had not actually revealed all his secrets prior to being murdered.
This issue may not seem relevant in respect to a single master and apprentice, however when compounded across thousands of years it led to the potential for a wide array of Sith techniques and powers being lost and forgotten. This is illustrated by Darth Kreia speaking to the Jedi Exile (Meetra Surik) with regard to an ancient Sith named Tulak Hord, "If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Sean C As a further extension of this point, it can also be inferred that the Jedi capacity for combating their Sith counterparts would diminish over time as well. Against the massively powerful ancient Sith, the Jedi of the era would have needed to develop powers and abilities to keep on par and able to combat their opponents. As the overall power of the Sith was reduced through the generations, the passive nature of the Jedi would cause their power to be diminished as well. If they were to retain the full measure of power and abilities used by previous generations, they would end up outright slaughtering not only Sith but any enemies they came across, which simply wasn't the Jedi way. They could rally in times of war, but prolonged periods of peace would see the Jedi capacity for combat reduced significantly.As a final example, the battle on Geonosis was all but an outright slaughter, as the Jedi had virtually no concept of how to properly conduct a ground war of that scale. By comparison, the Army of Light under the leadership of Lord Hoth during the time of Bane's establishing the Rule of Two would have outright slaughtered the armies of the CIS if transplanted into that situation. They lived in a time of war against the Brotherhood of Sith, and routinely faced not only their standard armies but also dozens upon dozens of fully trained Sith.
Kreia's comment was so wrong I know TH-camrs who, like Antoine, make Star Wars videos. They are so against her quote they intend to make a video detailing why she is WRONG.
I’m pretty sure that in the Darth Plagueis novel he specifically says he intended to teach sidious everything. His problem was focusing on midiclorians too much. Sidious focused more on power because when he spent almost all of his free time learning from the ancient sith. Plus the new Vader Comics show that Darth Sidious manipulated them and that’s why the force created Anakin. I always felt since the story was meant to seduce Anakin Palpatine might have changed it to make it sound more appealing.
the whole point of the rule of two created by bande was so someone like Sidious would eventually exist
Well, Sidious hasn't defeated 3 Jedi in battle. 2 of them were killed before the battle started (The novel is more realistic and shows how it was intended to be. Lucas changed it because it was too brutal in his opinion). Reinforced by battle meditation Fisto and Windu would have crushed Sidious. So I wouldn't say that Sidious is the better duelist. He could increse his chances with 2 sabers.
Is Palpatine's force lightning really stronger than Bane's? I can't remember that he has killed somebody instantly with his lightning. Windu was 1m away when he got hit and wasn't killed. Luke survived. Yoda hasn't been overpowered. For me it was a draw but Yoda lost due to his fall. Even Sidious was thrown back and he really seemed to be frightened. Palpatine was even too faint-hearted to defeat his master in a battle. However. Bane doesn't need his own lightning or force shields to protect himself against lightning. He can use his lightsaber. Yes Windu had problems deflecting it. But he was very close to Palpatine and he hasn't only deflected it. He directed it back on Palpatine. Palpatine can't defend himself completely against powerful force pushes as the battle with Yoda shows. So I think Bane really could hurt Sidious in a force battle.
I don't know who of them is stronger. But my opinion is that Sidious isn't that powerful as a force user or duelist (of course, he is maybe one of the strongest in history). His true power comes from his mind. His intelligence separates him from other powerful Sith. This battle would be much closer than said in the verdict.
Its sad to see after all the years i have spent playing kotor, tor, reading darth bane and revan that the old republic is no longer canon. the reason i am saddened by it being no longer canon is that i can definetly bet that there will be no future content regarding the old republic and the amazing world created. The new movies are nothing compared to the depth and story telling of the old republic and it saddens me that ill probably never really be into starwars again
+Aidz Aidz Prehot Well, there is an easy way out for you - just ignore the new stuff. Just because a company like Disney swooped in and made some declarations regarding 'canon' doesn't mean we have to accept it. If we prefer the wealth of the EU over what Disney will add, we can keep considering that as the true stuff.
yeah but theres no new content coming out for eu now lol
+Aidz Aidz Prehot I knew about the Old Republic stuff but nothing about after the movie in the old EU.
Was there like an ending? Like I know they cover one of Luke's descendants living in a dark side dominated world but not about the last story chronological wise.
My understanding is that because of Darth Bane's appearance in the Season 6 of the Clone Wars it now means that there is a character called Darth Bane. We know he is a Sith and that he died prior to the clone wars. I believe that is about all we know for sure is canon. His appearance doesn't mean that everything in the Darth Bane trilogy is canon.
+Aidz Aidz Prehot they also ruined his appearance he used to look so badass... And they ruined his personality with that gloating cocky samurai looking ghost thing
4:20 It wasn't a miner who had the vibroblade that Bane defeated on Apatros, it was a republican ensign - although he had previously bitten the thumb off a miner named Gerd (but he didn't have a vibroblade) just fyi
CosmicSkeptic I don't think this guy even read it lol
It really makes me mad that he couldn’t even do the proper research!
It is cool to see the top Atheist TH-camr making a comment on a Star Wars versus series video. I hope all is well across the pond. Big fan!
But he did fight three republic soldiers, one of them having a vibroblade
They left out that banes obelisk armors only weakness is to lightning. Sidious’ lighting control alone is enough to bring bane to his knees. In the books, Bane almost died from his own lightning blast when fighting the 3 battle meditated Jedi masters. One of the masters put a force shield around bane when he used it sacrificing herself in vein.
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3:27 ironic how Disney makes comics of palpatine coming back no longer canon yet does the exact same thing in a movie which makes less sense
02:15 my face when i find out there are no cookies left
Whats up palp? How was your meeting with granddoughter?
Having read both books I would give the duel to Bane. Bane had been fighting and training his whole life for combat, where as Sidious spent a huge amount of time in political maneuvering. I also think its worth noting that the Jedi in Banes time where most likely better fighters than the ones Sidious faced because in Banes time the Jedi were actively combating a Sith enemy and the Jedi in Sidious time had no engagements with enemy Force users. I think where Sidious out shines Bane is his ability to bend people to his political will, which of course Bane would have been awful at.
I hope you have read Bane's books and realize that Banes Orbalisk armor is completely impenetrable by any. ANY. Weapon. The only reason that Bane had to shed his coat was that during his battle against the Jedi Masters someone put a bubble around him when he was about to unleash his force lightning attack and it killed the orbalisks which started poisoning him.
Also in the book his armor could withstand lightsaber attacks. It even says in book 2 that he went on a 100% offensive with his armor, not even trying to defend. I believe that his pure, rage driven offensive would be more than a match for Sideous. When Bane's teacher, Kaasim detached his 2 handed lightsaber to make 2, 1 handed blades Bane was not nearly the Sith Lord he was when he donned his armor. There was at least 7 years difference.
Make sure you have your facts right. Bane could take Sideous in a heart beat
Bane was not wearing orbalisk armor in this hypothetical fight. My wording was confusing when I was setting up the parameters of the fight. I am quite familiar with what orbalisk can and cannot do.
Antoine Bandele At 3:00 you said he was affiliated with his orbalisk armor
Peter Cox Right . . . I meant when he was familiar with the armor, not whilst he was wearing it. It's something I had to speak to before.
Just clarify and elaborate next time. Familiar means "associated with"
even so if we believe what kraya said in reference to the jedi of the revan and the exiles time not having a chance against the ancients in saber combat, then we can assume lightsaber combat continued to degrade especially with the near destruction of both the sith and jedi several times. that would be applied to this fight as there was around a thousand years difference between these two. there are other points i'd make but id prefer to make them or to not after more research. p.s. id also like to point out that banes will power alone was tremendous allowing him to assumedly complete a partial or even full essence transfer to zahanna before his death. (After his defeat in rule of two zahanna's hand is noted to shake in the same way as bane's did previously)
The duel would be VERY intense!
Agreed.
Antoine Bandele It will end in few seconds. Sidious wins, Fatality.
Darth Vader Nah, it wouldn't be instant. Bane could repel a whole rain storm with his mastery of Soresu, he could bat back Sidious with his rain storm of strikes.
Antoine Bandele Bane is with miles under Mace when he was amped, yet Sidious lightning at an reduced level started to push Mace's lightsaber towards hes face. Sidious reduced to ashes 3 Sith Prophets with a simple hand wave, lighted the surface of an entire planet and effortessly killed an entire legion of Stormtroopers. Sidious curbstomps Bane.
Antoine Bandele And not to mention he knocked down Yoda unconsciously. Yoda is with leagues above Bane and superior in every aspect.
Sidious killed 3 Masters whom were caught off guard, Bane killed 3 masters who were under the aid of battle meditation. I think Bane would win, especially with his armor.
Sure, Sidious caught those masters off guard but he did it alone. Bane had help from his apprentice Zannah. It wasn't like he soloed all those Jedi. It was a 2v4.
Antoine Bandele Well we could say that both engagements were 2v4 really, the duel on Tython was actually 2v5
MakaPeji How so? Sidious was 1v4.
Antoine Bandele I believe Darth Vader helped with Mace Windu if im not mistaken.
MakaPeji Depends on your opinion. But I believe Sidious threw the fight with Mace.
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Palpatine got stronger with the force as he aged. His physical body degraded with age, but the force can make up for that, as we've seen with him, and yoda. Would of been cool to see a comparison between them at the same or similar ages. Or both right before their respective deaths. Would like to see a sidious vs plaguies video, comparing them right before their deaths.
it really sucks that the extended universe is not considered cannon
At least the character of Bane stil exists. Well, what we see in the Clone Wars series, not the Novel Trilogy.
It's Legends canon.
Because it's extended
Its not part of the Original/cannon series
even though the EU is a lot better.
CaptainHappy It's a fresh start. Many franchises get this. Star Wars needed one. The EU was an absolute mess.
I'm pretty sure it mentions in a source book that Sidious was a Master of EVERY form of lightsaber combat.
Unfortunately there is no text that clearly defines Sidious' lightsaber studies. We can only assume he had proficiencies in all lightsaber combats.
Antoine Bandele I'm fairly sure somewhere it says he was a Master of all. like Yoda
But based on your assumption he uses Niman, it is said that for someone to master Niman they must be master of all the other forms
so yeah and if he mastered Juyo as you postulate then he is still as Master of all 7 forms.
Albert Halliwel Oh yes I do not disagree with you. It's just that their is no explicit text I could find that stated as much.
Oh cool, well fair enough then, to be honest I can't be bothered to try and find the Quote so oh well xD
Albert Halliwel Niman is the 6th form, Juyo is the 7th. That implies that Niman existed before Juyo and as Jensaarai1 said about the creators of Juyo, they had one philosophy, Niman sucks, so they went in the opposite direction. Where as Niman sought moderation and was easier to master than other forms Juyo was pure aggression. Juyo seems more like Palpatine's style but Plagueis supposedly studied Niman so he is probably familar with it.
Bane didn't fight a miner with a vibroblade he fought a miner in hand to hand combat while fatigued and a few hours later fought 3 republic soldiers who were all armed with melee weapons one of whom had a vibroblade and another who had a metal pipe
This is like
Frankenstein VS. Frankensteins Monster
So Sidious wins :/
I think Bane would have won. Yes, I'm dead serious. Yes, I know it's basically blasphemy to hold that opinion. However, while your analysis was excellent overall, there was one aspect that wasn't explored: strength of *character.*
Darth Sidious's greatest weakness--the weakness that led to his demise--was arrogance. The greatest weakness of the dark side is said arrogance, so how fitting indeed that the dark side incarnate would have this weakness unparalleled. Even if Sidious edges out over Bane in raw power, the difference is so small that even the slightest error on either side could tip the balance fatally.
Bane, on the other hand, is a stone-cold, competent, relentless killing machine. His pragmatism is only matched by his brutality in combat. He would take Sidious 100% seriously from the first millisecond of their duel, whereas if Sidious's arrogance and overconfidence gets the better of him for even less than that time, Bane will cut him down before Sidious can so much as spit a taunt his way. Arrogance can bring down the best of them, and against a foe as mighty, as cunning, and as vicious as Darth Bane, I firmly believe this weakness will be crippling.
Your thoughts?
Darth Bane
Darth Bane you lost the fight
Darth Bane i wish to learn the true nature of the force the Dark Side from a true, -Kneels Before You-
Sidious would win.
+hassan abdalla I thought the same as you, but then TCW Sidious clowned Maul and Savage.
Tsubusu Tsu hey man to be fair Antoine gives valid points to his opinion but yeah lil brooksy over here is just a clown hahaha the Killah strikes again
Tsubusu Tsu I am confused by your comment.
Antoine Bandele I was thinking about how the fight would play out before I watched this, and my scenerio is exactly the same as yours
Antoine Bandele actually sidous barely beat maul in that fight, and maul ended up escaping eventually anyhow, and sidious is hardly ranked as one of the most powerful sith lords
yeah i am a fan of revan, your entitled to your opinion and im entitled to mine, but iether way i dont care sidious sucks in my opinion.
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Lucas said Sidious was the strongest sith of all time
end of the discussion
Lucas don't care about the EU so his Words are invalid here.
aspiknf Even if it wasn't stated that Sidious was the strongest, by logic Vader can't be the strongest. If he was why would he obey the Emperor? He could've overthrown him at any time like he wanted to. Instead he has to be the Emperor's bitch because Sidious is too poweful. And Vader is only able to defeat him by taking him by surprise during the special circumstances in ROTJ. Just the way everything goes in the story, Sidious has to be the most powerful. If he's not the story starts to fall apart.
Dizzy Kid Vader could have been the strongest force user( I am talking about pre - suit vader).but he lost most of his potential on mustafar.
ponmudi thinakaran My comment refers to Vader's power. Not his potential Pre-Mustafar. Potential is irrelevant. Btw, dude that's Star Wars 101. There was no need to tell me that I've known it for a long time. I mean how could you not know it? Sidious states "Vader will become more powerful then either of us" at the start of the Mustafar/Senate duel scenes. Then Obi-Wan fucks Anakin up and he never surpasses Sidious. It pretty much had to be that way for the fact that Vader could not overthrow Sidious without Luke's help.
I thought you didn't know that.
So ironic that if they were master and apprentice. Bane being the first, Sidious being the last. But there can only be two.
Bane had force lightning as strong as Sideius as noted even when he first learned it causing lightening storms as Gyfiny noted as everyone else had a single strand he was like anunparrel producer. Not to mention the ritual he did with the brotherhood of darkness which he channeled all their power into a lightning storm which destroyed the whole forest the army of light was in.
Wow man! Trippy, and more relevant than ever.
I see great things for you Master Antoine.
Alex Graham ooo snap
I'm sorry to say this... but there is actually NOOOOOOO way that hunched back old Sidious can beat Darth Bane. What's Sidious gonna do? Blast a bunch of lightning at him? Walk around on his hunched back? Sit down in a throne and talk....?
Hunched back old Sidious . . . You do realize you are talking about the guy who speedblitz three council members, made Maul and Savage look like children of lightsaber combat and defeated Grandmaster Yoda . . .
I stand corrected....
BrokenZen
Wrong interpretation of the Banite rule i am afraid. What it means is that when the master is weaker than his apprentice or when the apprentice surpasses his master, the apprentice will take the masters place, it doesn't mean that every new sith lord is more powerful then the previous one XD it's a funny idea though. The point is that the holder of the title of dark lord will never be too weak to defend himself or have at least a sub-close to-prime student so the order can survive while still being concealed in the dark. If Bane would've won it wouldn't have made any difference to the success of his legacy as sidious feats speaks for it as his successor, doesn't need Sidious beating his ancestor in this THEORETICAL fight in order to prove the point of the Banite's rule.
***** Plagueis dealt mostly with midichlorian manipulation. That doesn't necessarily make him stronger in the force than any other sith ESPECIALLY Bane. Please illuminate me on the things that Plagueis could do better than Bane. i'm not arguing at all i just wanna hear your supporting evidence. Because by your statement, one could say vader is better than sidious since he threw him into the reactor.
***** Well bane was no slouch in the force. Remember that Bane made force shields to protect him from stuff like that. Bane is also like a rhino.
I do agree that Darth sidious would win. Could you do Darth Plagueis vs Darth bane? If not it's okay.
Star Wars Conclusions in my opinion bane should beat every single sith lord expect vitiate sidious and krayt if i do not forget anybody else.Plagueis maybe but i would favor bane
"I wont use sidious' reincarnation because its likely not canon" yeah, just like Darth Banes entire existence? that was retconned too.
True
@Pathosidi still make anything about him non canon, even got a new look, only we know is the he still created the rule of two, but anything else we can be sure about if they are still canon
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“I will not take Palpatine coming back as a clone into consideration, because now that won’t be considered official canon.” This statement didn’t age well. The man created a Force storm by draining the powers of a Force dyad.
To be fair this would be a lose lose situation for Bane. Bane embraced the idea of the rule of two. The entire basis for the rule of two is that it ensures that each new generation of the Sith becomes stronger than the last. There are obviously going to be exceptions along the line, but if one of the latest generations of Sith Lords were to be defeated by the one who reforged this concept so long ago, then the rule of two itself would be a failure, as it would have failed to advance the Sith order. As awesome as important as Bane was (one of the most awesome and important imo) Sidious has to win here, as the very evolution of the Sith order ensures that it becomes stronger and stronger over time, as ensured by the rule of two. However, what we can say is that without Bane, Sidious may have never even had the opportunity to become as strong as he did. Sidious is the embodiment of what Bane wanted so badly to create. Bane knew this would happen when he re-enforced the rule of two. Sidious is the poster child of Bane's success, and the reason the Sith needed the rule of two.
ReiD uMz ^ This
ReiD uMz Plus, Sidious was technically never defeated in actual combat, he was even about to execute Luke Skywalker with force lightning, but then was unexpectedly betrayed by vader. which isn't fair lol
Ah, my friend Sidious. He never lets me down!
While this would be RIDICULOUSLY close compared to what most people would think at face value, in the end, Bane would die happy, the thought of knowing that his legacy of the Rule of 2 had finally been realised no doubt filling him with pride even in his dying breath.
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Hey Ant,
enjoy the vs videos, i was curious though.... when talking about Bane vs the 3 Jedi, you seem to negate the fact that those Jedi were all being battle enhanced through battle meditation. Bane had the Orbalisk armor, so he could rage more and be a little more unpredictable. One of them was weapons master who was using two light-sabers, one Jedi Grandmaster, and 1 Jedi knight. We know this from the book "Rule of Two" when Bane and Zannah are fighting on Tython. I can respect what you are saying about this fight, but was curious if you took into consideration that the Weapons-master along with the Jedi being battle meditatively enhanced and still were defeated by Bane.
Technically bane couldn't beat them though. It was a stale mate where he was actually starting to lose when he nearly got his hand cut off. He only defeated them after zannah broke the battle meditation temporarily
I feel there's a flaw in everyone's argument in the comments stating that Bane fought more battle hardened Jedi than Sidious. While, yes, Bane would've fought Jedi with more battle training, there is a difference with training many compared with training a few or just one. Training many tends to be watered down compared to personal one on one training. I feel Sidious fought more refined Jedi than Bane & would still give Sidious the win.
Not to mention how some jedis Sidious were consider best to have ever lived at the time
one of my more favorite theories about star wars is the theory that darth bane is all the sith lords after him. Drew Karpyshyn the author of the darth bane trilogy writes at the end of the book bane learning a force technique allowing him to when he died, to posses the person who killed him. Drew alludes to him doing this with darth zanna when he was struck down by her. While this is a bit out there, the facts line up and he could have really possessed each sith after him.
13:42 - Also you have to figure that when Bane goes up against a Jar'Kai master, Bane is going to be outclassed - as evidenced in his fight against Kasim...in which he was only barely able to hold off Kasim and had to rely in the implosion of the Rakatan Temple to finish off Kasim, rather than Bane's skills with the lightsaber.
That was before bane was in his prime though. When he had his armor and faced the battle meditated jedi on tython, he was fighting 3 vs 1 and raskta was the greatest jedi duelist ever and had 2 lightsabers.
+vince mickey This might be good. Though I'd say Savage > Tano.
This is pretty black and white. Pure raw strength and uncontrolled with barely any skill vs skills and agility with little force behind it. I'd say savage too because he's got more strength than Tano has skill and agility.
Siddiq Ismail Also, Savage could contend with Plo Koon, Ashoka Tano could not.
Antoine Bandele Don't remember him fighting Koon one on one. I remember a clone wars comic where he escaped with Maul, and they ran into a team of Jedi including plo and obi wan. Plo got his mask knocked off his face, its like throwing kryptonite at superman and claiming you're stronger than him.
Siddiq Ismail They fought in "Sith Hunters." Savage didn't just contend and fight with Plo, he was dodging blaster fire the whole time. He landed a kick on Plo. And then disarmed him of his mask. He didn't "just" disarm him.
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Antoine Bandele Gotta read that book. If he can compete with Plo with little training, imagine him if he was a fully trained Sith lord.
I feel like Sidious is literally the most accomplished SITH to have lived
+Alexander Ditimus So far yes.
+Alexander Ditimus i guess Vitiate is/was the most powerful sith to ever live
Olympus GR well he did mentally dominate revan
+Alexander Ditimus Um.. Exar Kun?
Logic783 no. No other sith has done was palpatine had achieved
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sidious too slick for anyone to 1v1 him. cant think of too many people who could match up with sidious but maybe yoda in his prime or anakin in his mature form (if he didnt go sith and continued to push his potential)
Skill lukes potential stated to be slightly above him in eu though
Would have been destroyed by darth nihilus, darth sion, tulak hord, or (possibly) darth krayt
@@quandaledingle4488 you don't know anything about star wars, do you?
@@quandaledingle4488 Sidious would beat all of them.
Palpatine wins since he has perfected every lightsaber fighting style and he's a master of With Alchemy as well.Bane lost to Zannah not only in a lightsaber duel but a battle of wills as well which is also Sheev's"playground".I have no doubt that the Sithari would put up a terrific fight but The Emperor is the final result of years of Sith evolution and he would emerge victorious.
if sidious could instantly kill someone with force lighting would he have done it to Vader when he went to throw.him over the railing
Sideous force lightning is hilariously weak.
thepackable wrong. He was torturing Luke and caught off guard when Vader grabbed him. If he was really trying Luke would be dead and Vader would be fried
@@thepackable After the Rise of Skywalker... not so much.
@@kungolaf4499 Hey. I appreciate the comment. I haven't seen any of the new movies yet. Guess I should.
Palpatine could instantly kill anybody with force lightning. The reason he didn’t do this to Vader was because his lightning was also hitting him at the same time due to the way he was being held.
Darth Bane was able to let the dark side into him to the point where Darth Sidious' force attacks would have almost no effect on him. I believe he would either die quickly from a surprise attack or simply overwhelm Sidious.
I honestly think bane would win. Why? Because sidious was killed without using force by a half man half machine by throwing him down into a pit. THATS WHY.
Obviously you've never read any books but sidious returns stronger then any sith before and after him sidious contains darkside powers that the sith'ari should have that is why sidious is the ultimate sith.
maurice powers thats extended universe. Which is not considered canon.
It's called legend so yeah there still Canon
I'm following the universe that's been around 20-30 years not the one that just basically threw everything out the window
maurice powers it's extended universe WHICH IS NOT CANON get it thrue your thick skull.
Yeah I'm going to listen to a person who can't spell OK. There's two universes Disney's and the original. Also bane follows the category as legend which means sidious wins by default does he not
Interesting.
Darth Sidious is touted as the culmination of Bane's "Rule of Two" however that's not entirely true.
Further back in time from Darth Sidious a Sith called Darth Gravid went mad and destroyed much Sith knowledge before being killed by his apprentice. This, according to Darth Plagueis, set the the Rule of Two Sith order back a long way in terms of plans and also loss of knowledge of much Sith Knowledge.
Secondly Darth Sidious, Darth Plagueis, and Darth Tenebris all broke the spirit if not the letter of the Rule of Two which would have further weakened the Sith line.
Patrick Hutton that's a well thought out argument.. and I still don't think many Sith or Jedi could stand a 1 v 1 if Bane was in the Orbalisk armor.. without it, yes he'd be defeated..
Patrick Hutton Don't forget Darth Vectivus. Dude wasn't even killed by his apprentice, so we never know how powerful his apprentice was.
Patrick Hutton Well I have to disagree with you on that one Palpatine literally wrote a book on the augmentation and creation of creatures through Sith alchemy, he also obviously possessed multiple ancient abilities of the force and passed them down. Count Dooku was able to cast waves of darkness and an energy trap that drained people of the force and turned it against them. Sidious also mastered the ability of transferring ones consciousness something Bane never did
For everyone in the comments that voted Bane as victor you are wrong. In the rule of two it clearly states that each apprentice grows stronger and stronger ( Bane lost to Zannah, Zannah lost to Cognus etc...) after 1000 years the Sith involved in the rule of two are SO MUCH stronger than the original Sith in the rule of two (Bane, Zannah, Cognus) since each apprentice grows stronger and over takes the master don't you think that the more down the line you go the stronger the Sith are.... This is obvious proof that Sidious is and should be stronger than Bane or else the whole point of the Rule Of Two is pointless.
If only he knew sidious being brought back to life as a clone would become the official cannon
Darth sidious is my favorite sith
Gregor 2.0 Agreed
Dark Bane
Same.
Sideious was a failure as a Sith Lord who was trained by a failure. His powers, though extreme for his day, were not as high above Banes as one might assume. The reasoning is that Sidious broke from the rule of two. Bane emphasized that when the apprentice challenges the master he does it directly. The two fight with all they have and the apprentice only becomes the master by overcomming everything the master has. Sideious didn't do this. He killed his master in his sleep. Plagius also didn't do this, he basically shoved his master under an avalanche after his master told him it would happen (he didn't know).
These sith did not prove that the were more powerful than their masters. Sidious showed in the clone wars that he would challenge a rival directly but Sidious would get schooled. His force storm was his only chance but he couldn't do it in direct combat.
I definitely agree that the fact that Sidious killed his master in his sleep was a noob move. But still, I think his mastery of the force went over Bane's.
Interestingly enough, at the times of Tenebrous, Plagueis, and Sidious, all three had arrived to skills and powers beyond that of what the old members of the rule of two had. To establish this, the novel Darth Plagueis states that the Sith were so powerful it wasn't a question of who was stronger, but rather who the Dark Side chose as its... vessel. In this, the masters are killed when the Dark Side anoints the apprentice as the Dark Lord of the Sith. It is viewed as the masters would have killed the apprentices if they were strong enough to be favored by the Dark Side, but unfortunately for them, they are not.
Furthermore, Plagueis was.... conscious to a degree when Sidious killed him. Plagueis was utilizing his midichlorian manipulation techniques to defy Sidious the opportunity to kill him. Simply put, Plagueis was attempting to will himself impervious to death. Sidious used similar forms of midichlorian manipulation and force choke, and force lightening to bring Plagueis to death. So it wasn't exactly a sneak attack and kill scenario. Sidious's abilities had out grown his masters in which he reveals that he had constantly been clouding Plagueis's mind to many things, that he had also been manipulating Plagueis for a long time, and that he didn't regard him as a master.
Sidious also was able to do something none of the Sith Lords of the past were able to do, in which he was successful in bringing the Dark Side under his control, rather than the other way around. He accomplished what Plagueis had tried to.
The Rule of Two ended when the concept of being 'stronger' was inadequate and out dated, and the vaunted Rule of One (atleast Sidious's version) was established in that he was the most powerful that a Sith could become (perhaps arrogance, but also well backed up in ability). He viewed himself as the apex of power, and that while he controlled the dark side, he was able to accomplish what ever he desired (for the most part).
Joshua you don't need to know But that to implies a break from the sith philosophy. That would imply that the sith allow the darkside to chose. That they are guided by it as the Jedi are by the light. Sith philosophy has always been that they don't really care what the dark side wants. They don't serve it, they master it and make it do what they want.
Frankly I think the sith in Plagius were just full of themselves. They'd lived too long unchallenged and thinking they were superior. The emperor (at least as shown in the movies if the latter stuff is no longer canon) was a joke. He should never have lived to reach that stage of decay. Who need a sith lord who could die slipping in the shower?
Shawn McRoberts Not at all, Sith philosophy is predominated with toppling the force. Darth Bane did not accomplish this, though he tried. The Sith of his line came to realize that brute strength wasn't the way to accomplish this, but guile, cunning, and a sinister intelligence. This reflected their ways of killing their masters, they didn't have to become stronger in a show, but merely more clever about how they used their powers. And as with Plagueis to Tenebrous, Sidious outclassed Plagueis in the end with both power and cunning. The point is that in order to get the dark side to do what one wished, it had to be enticed, and drawn in, and only then could it be bent to the will. The only real thing that changed was how they went about it.
I'd hardly say that they were full of themselves. If any body were guilty of that, it was the Jedi. These Sith were fully aware of what they were, and were cautious and calculating, taught to never let their guard down, etc. I would say they were simply stronger and more awake than each of their predecessors. And if nothing other than the movies is cannon, everyone would be a joke, except the Emperor, Yoda, Obi Wan, and Windu. This is because we see how skilled the emperor is in his fights in the movies. As far as the stage of decay he arrived to... I quote Plagueis: "The power of the Dark Side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of."
p.s. that was a hilarious image of the emperor, but could easily be attributed to Yoda, Obi wan, and pretty much any old force user. Perhaps the soap would be too afraid to have them slip on it?
Plagius didn't defeat Tenebrous by cunning or guile either. In the entire event he was confused he only realized what was going on by interpreting his master's actions. There was no planning, no foresight just oppurtunism. Even worse is Tenebrous technically survived (as a cellular infection) that Plaguis was completely unaware of.
I'm not saying it needed to be a gladiatorial contest but the apprentice needed to prove unequivocably that he was superior. Plagiuse didn't do that. Sidious Defeated his master by preventing him from drawing on the force to prolong his life but couldn't master the powers his master displayed. If Sidious came to embody the darkside it was only long after his master's death.
Sidious was not cunning. He was prideful. He openly stated his plans to Luke and later to Leia when he tried to possess her baby. He lacked the insight to realize a threat when faced with one and, unlike Bane, showed no understanding of the changing currents of the Force. Luke Skywalker represented a shift to the ascendency of the light. Bane lived in such a time which is why he went into the Shadows. Sidious tried to prevent the balance from shifting and proved unable to do so.
I disagree with this outcome. You have to remember before Revenge of the Sith. The jedi order had not had any real enemies. While during bane times. Jedi and Sith fought more often. Meaning the levels of each other would be higher. Both in force ability and in dueling.
With out a true oponente. One would get weak. They can practice all the like but no real profection can be met with out a strong foe. This is why Sidious was able to kill 3 enemies so easy. They where weak and not expecting a real fight.
They just stood there and let him cut them down. Bane would have been seen many battles while Sidious did not see any true battles. We can say he did have a great deal of skill of what was there for the time. Sadly his time was doing the special olympics. Everyone had became so weak because there was nothing dangerous out there.
Plus Sidious never killed a true Darth. He had to kill Darth Plagueis after drugging him. That does not sound like he was extremely skilled if he had to drug his master to kill him.
***** As some other comments have noted before, after the Thought Bomb went off, all the Jedi assumed the Sith were extinct, and NOONE noticed two huge darkside powers flaring during the fight between Bane and Zannah.
But even beyond that, there's pockets of dark side power in the galaxy, such as the section of heavy wooded area on Dagobah. "Strong with the Dark side, that place is." If the latent darkside energy didn't mask the flaring power, any Jedi that did feel it might just brush it off as a natural occurrence for that area.
***** Sidious could never beat Plagueis in a real fight. Let's not think about Sidious is the strongest Sith, as George Lucas said. If he tried to attack Plagueis with his Lightsaber, Plagueis would have ripped him apart with his infamous force push. If he tried to shock him, he would absorb it and manipulate his Midi-Cholorians, so that Sidious would go insane, or kills himself. End of Story.
Sidious is not as strong with the force as everyone says. He hasn't got enough power to manipulate Midi-Cholorians, so that he had to clone himself. And I never read, that he had perform a force push like Darth Plagueis, or burn things with shock lightning. Sure, Sidious can kill people instantly with it, but when his shock lightning gets absorbed or reflected, he hasn't got anything left in performing shock lightning. Yoda could resist it, and it gets completely ignored by Darth Vader in Episode six, who could easily throw Darth Sidious down into the Death Star. But Vader was a Machine, which is very vulnerable to shock lightning. However, if Darth Plagueis performs shock lightning, and anyone tries to absorb it, it will burn his hands. So, in my opinion, Darth Plagueis is superior to Sidious in terms of the force. Also i think with his speed and range, Darth Plagueis outclasses Sidious in fights with the Lightsaber.
ThePdg I like how you posted this. It well written and gives more facts about Plagueis powers.
doomblackdragon also bane's orbalisk armor gave him huge advantages, making him invulnerable to any physical harm, and when he starts getting angry, the armor feeds his power, making him go into a super powerful force rage
***** But if Sidious can kill someone instantly with it, why not try to kill Vader, who wants to "throw you down a 280 mile shaft directly into the core of the Death Star" (I love this sentence from "Darth Sidious gets a job")?
While I agree with the outcome, I would like to propose a few scenarios and point out a few things. Firstly, the force has been alluded to being distributed between those who use it, therefore in a time when more people are using the dark side of the force (during Banes lifetime), the strength of the force would be mildly diluted. During Sidious' reign, he and his apprentice were the only ones using the darkside effectively, and so it would be channeled powerfully through them.
Secondly, there was no mention of battle tactics, and in this case the edge again has to go with Sydious. Although Bane was a master tactition, Sydious whole life was focused around manipulating politics in plain sight of the Jedi. He would be about 5 steps ahead of Bane.
There might be a different outcome if Bane was wearing his orbalisk armour. The Darth Bane books made it clear that the orbalisk armour allowed bane to try lightsaber moves that would normally be impossible, since they left a wide hole in defence. being immune to lightsaber attacks would allow bane to unleash an all out attack that would possibly overwhelm sydious. Even Darth Zannah knew that it would be impossile to beat bane, if he had his orbalisk armour.
Could you do a video on Darth Nihilus vs Darth Sidious? I think it would be very interesting...
ole Corby i agree..Nihilus v Sirius would rock
3:23 in context to canon this is tragically funny
Bane would be a much better duelist than Sidious. He killed the best duelist in the galaxy, the Sith Blademaster, or the deadliest Sith warrior alive. Along with his natural killing ability, his stronger than Sidious' lightning (he taught himself, and used it against his teacher. He was never taught.) He also knew more than Sidious, as the Holocrons were lost to Sidious, but Bane found most if not all the Holocrons that were not held by the Jedi, and he killed many of the guardians of those and took those as well. All in all, Bane would crush Sidious.
Nope-Sidious was a master of EVERY form, & was far more powerful in the force than Darth Bane. I think you severely underestimate Sidious. If you watch the Clone Wars, you'll see Sidious ragdoll both Maul & Savage AT THE SAME TIME. Either one of them alone were serious threats to most duelists, & yet, Sidious was absolutely toying with them both simultaneously; he was having an absolute blast dueling them.
Charlie Van Kampen And you severely underestimate Darth Bane
@@jordanthomas7798 Nope..I've read the Darth Bane trilogy twice. I'm intimately familiar with his character.
Charlie Van Kampen you say you’ve read the Bane trilogy twice, so you should know he knocked out Lieutenant Ulabore
@@jordanthomas7798 Yes, I know that. If you're trying to use that as a debating point, then elaborate.
Also yes, the miner was unarmed, the republic ensign had the blade, also Bane beat a trained armed soldier, in the pitch darkness. Also he did beat kasim, ripped through foharghs protective barrier, and as someone else pointed out, Banes jedi were under battle meditation while Sidious jedi were not
Sidious!!
Bane is powerful, but Palpatine represents the culmination of what Bane started!!
With the whole "Force Lightning"-Stuff: You forgott that force lightnings can be absorbed and even reflected by a lightsaber, as Master Windu did
+Marc Magma No he didn't forget. Only Windu can absorb and reflect force lightning because he created his own special style of Lightsaber combat called Vaapad which allowed him to use anger and lust of combat etc.. without being controlled by the dark side; his ability to use those emotions allowed him to tap into the dark side's power enough to reflect force lightning back at the user where other Jedi like Obi-Wan or maybe even Yoda would just end up getting shocked.
+xXDarkxIdealsXx what?! Obi wan reflected count dooku's lightning with just his lightsaber
xXDarkxIdealsXx In "The Clone Wars"-Serie, there where other who absorbed (and when I remember correctly even reflected) force lightnings.
I don't think Sidious was using his full power in that fight, he was holding back in order to give Anakin a choice. Sidious could have killed Mace Windu easily, he just held back in order to let Anakin prove himself as Darth Vader by stopping Windu.
+xXDarkxIdealsXx Every lightsaber can absorb force lightning, even bane and the jedi in the books did it .-.
The miner Bane bested didn't have a vibroblade, it was a republican soldier that ambushed him at night with two other republican soldiers and bane still killed the guy and scared off the other two. He only bit off the thumb of the miner though.
You are correct.
In my opinion, this was a no brainer. Palpatine was a master of all 7 forms, unmatched in his force capabilities, and managed to physically push maul's and oppress' sabers back at the same time.
In the end, Bane was the ultimate outcome of a failed ideology, while Sidious was the ultimate accomplishment of a successful one. In the end, there could never really be any doubt.
emperor vitiate vs emperor palpatine.
Mjolnir Jake Vitiate wins
Mjolnir Jake palpatine
Palpatine
Mjolnir Jake Great idea And option
Palpatine stomps
Darth Vader did not betray him, the chosen one the good side of Darth Vader- Anakin Skywalker murdered him.
+Rakib Fiha Bingo
If you read “The Rule of Two,” Bane didn’t overcome three battle meditated Jedi. He barely held his own against two who were under the influence of a meditating Jedi while Zannah was defending herself from another. It was the Jedi who was in a meditative trance that nearly killed him even after Bane struck him down mortally.
As for his trial with synox, all he did was slow the symptoms before it killed him. He was only cured by Caleb, the healer on Ambria. Without his help, Bane would’ve died.
Furthermore in Dynasty of Evil, it’s clear but subtle in the end of his duel with Zannah which depicts his technique of Essence Transfer being a success; transferring his conscious into Zannah’s body and expelling her’s to the void.
I recommend reading the three book series again.
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This comment didnt age well
What about Darth Murderous vs Darth Terrible? Or Darth Horrible vs Darth Venomous? Or Darth Babyrapist vs Darth Drinkmilkfromcarton? Non-canon Star Wars is stupid.
banethesithari isn't Darth Obvious one of the stupid non-canon sith? I wouldn't doubt it.
Oh stop whining, Darth Crybaby.
Rich711 Where in this thread have i whined ? please quote it ,im interested to see if your as dumb as your attempt at trolling indicates.
banethesithari You're the one trolling my comment, crybaby.
Wahhaa someone doesnt like non-canon Star Wars so you have to troll the heck out of their comments. Whatever, Darth Buttsore.
Rich711 "You're the one trolling my comment, crybaby" if you think that then you dont understand what trolling is. That would explain why your attempt is so poor.
"Wahhaa someone doesnt like non-canon Star Wars so you have to troll the heck out of their comments." im not in your comments because you dislike non canon star wars (by the way sidious and bane are both canon) im in this thread because your either
A) a really bad troll who either doesn't understand or know how to troll or
B) You an actual moron because you dont look into a subject before foming and sharing your opinion (Thats why you think bane and/or sidous are canon) ,despite disliking what you think is non canon star wars you came to a video about it anyway and you cant even form any reasons why non canon star wars is bad or why you dislike it.
Antoine, I like your breakdown of the match. I watched Wolf's verses of Yoda and Darth Bane and thought it lacked some important points. One point that you touched on but didn't explore is the fact that for the two to meet, Sidious has had the benefit of 1000 years of Sith advancement. As you said, Bane is the beginning of the story and Sidious is the end. Many verses authors mention the various forms of combat in their series and who utilizes or excels at what. But, which forms have actually been in existence the whole time?
One author spoke of Mace Windu having created a new form of Jedi combat that utilizes the dark side energy of his opponent. This form was only available to him.
So if Bane had access to all the knowledge that Sidious had, would the fight have been the same?
Bane was the first to rediscover the Sith ability of Body Switching even though it didn't succeed completely in the end. He also completely embodied the Rule of Two. Yes he trained an apprentice to crave the power and attempt to defeat him, but he expected and accepted the concept wholeheartedly. His desire was to increase the power of the Sith, not himself.
BTW, I don't agree with the comment that Sidious is the end of the Rule of Two in its purest form. Sidious had many apprentices. Dukoo, Vader, Maul; all are called his apprentice. He also played one apprentice off of the other multiple times. Sidious would never give up the power he had attained if there was a way to do so. His force strength lies in his complete "Me Attitude" where all events must benefit him. His avarice is the reason why he is so powerful. No one embodied the love of self more than him.
If you read the Bane series, I believe that Sidious came not descended from Darth Zanath but from the other Sith afficionado who was only really interested in artifacts who escaped at the end of the book ( I can't remember his name.) He didn't believe in the rule of two but in greed and power only.
The Rule of Two definitely devolved during Sidious' time but I feel that Sidious was the END of Rule of Two just for what you said ... he was all about him.
Exar kun made leviathan creatures by manipulating the living force a skill he didn't pass on darth tenebrae learned how to live forever but he was killed (he didn't die like mortal men who decay and age he was killed) the sith even lost the art of making holocrons darth bane rediscovered this art and found a new way to live forever by passing himself (his spirit if that makes sense) onto other people but these all were lost well before palpatine's time your reasoning about the sith getting smarter was wrong the sith keep killing their masters before the master has passed along everything so each time a master is killed something is lost. Now a question for you how many masters were killed before palpatine rose to power
Would love to see a great Darth Bane series of movies.
I do agree with your verdict, however I do think you (and to be honest, most fans) are overestimating sidious. It is true that he defeated darth maul and savage at the same time, however, that is something kenobi was capable of after some effort. his defeat of tiin and kolar had allot more to do with surprise/force power/them being idiots then actual blade work. and although he held his own against both windu and yoda, its clear he is having a hard time of it in both duels. it is beyond doubt he is a MASTER of the dark side, but in my opinion, he is not the greatest duelist of his time.
Yeah but Bane was SO careless with his orbalisk armor. But yeah I almost gave Bane the dueling edge, I was even considering making it a tie but the main thing was Sidious' Jar'Kai advantage. The difference between Sidious and Kenobi however is that Sidious made Maul and Savage look like practice. It took Kenobi great effort to fight against them both.
I, by no means, think Sidious is a second rate duelist, and I do agree that he probably would defeat Bane. however, the idea that he could kill any Jedi without them even having a chance to react, I find absurd. It did take Kenobi great effort, but he still managed it.
***** Yeah he wouldn't be able to take out any old Jedi just because he wanted to. It depended on who he was fighting. The Jedi Masters of his era were very big-headed and didn't think he could match them so they did not defend themselves as well as they could have.
As I said, its tactical mistakes on the Jedi side, rather than pure skill from Palpatine. Even Jedi can sub comb to being arrogant :P
kenobi was never truely capable standing against those 2 and killing them both
sidious played with maul and savage :)
Bull crap. Sorry but Bane would totally anihilate Sidius. Sidius was stronger,yes. Against Jedis... But he wasn't a great warrior. Much less gainst an ancient Sith
Bane's not an ancient Sith. He was the first of the modern era Sith. The Order was modernized, not through its instruments, but through its ideals. No longer was the Order and outspoken empire that openly and publicly condemned the Republic. No, it was more of a secretive organisition that sought to exterminate the disease from the inside.
Ok thanks bro. But still I think Bane would do some ass whooping
Lucian Darkwood I don't agree with you on that. But I'm tired and hungry, so I won't bother you for the night.
Please. Teach m more of the Star Wars Lore
Ok thanks
Sidious never win against Bane !!
***** The movies should be the only thing of importance, as the books can be called fan fictions seeing as lucasfilms created star wars making the trilogy the only legitamite source. That, and the books, and the clone wars. anything with that lucasfilms logo
One thing I have to say about the verdict. Bane fought kas'im, the literal best lightsaber duelist ever. He mastered all forms of technique with single-blade, dual-blade, dual-saber, and whip (we can infer whip bc he thought githany). Ofc, Bane didn't beat kas'im out of dueling, cause he literally collapsed a temple on him, but he certainly would not be caught off-guard. Plus if his prime is when he had the orbalisk armor, then give him the orbalisk armor. Lightsaber dueling would literally not be an issue for him with the armor cause nothing can slice through orbalisks. Plus, the reason why he wasn't so skilled with fighting three jedi was b/c he didn't have to put up much of a defensive position. He didn't care about getting hit because nothing would happen if he did. Finally, Bane makes it clear twice that he would not fight a battle that he couldn't win. He told kas'im that in one of their training sessions, and also told zannah that when she almost turned him in.
You all fail to realize the potential flaws in the Rule of Two.
Bane's greatest fear was that an apprentice would wait too long to challenge the master, causing time to weaken the master so a lesser apprentice could take his place. In 1,000 years, that could have very well happened. or even an accident killing the master prematurely. There are large gaps in the timeline where we don't know what happened.
Also, in the Darth Plagueis novel, it is stated that a sith lord attempted to turn to the light side and set the sith back hundreds of years before the apprentice killed him.
Even the method Sidious killed his master was pretty weak. Where Zannah called out Bane face to face, Sidious waited until Plagueis was asleep to strike him.
And Vader's and Dukoo's description of him in the force really doesn't mean that much as neither of them had anything to compare him to. For all we know, all strong sith lords had a force impression like a void.
While of course Sidious was strong, just because he was at the end of the RoT does not necessarily make him the most powerful ever.
But isn't Darth Plagueis put as one of the Strongest Sith lords ever on par if not above many Sith Lords?
+Gutsy Plagueis was strong too, but even he resorted to dropping a cave on his master's head and claimed that he should have seen it coming. But a surprise attack does not make you more powerful and is actually used more often when you know you are weaker than your opponent.
And again, Plagueis' master didn't adhere perfectly to the RoT, as later revealed when Darth Tenabris' second apprentice arrived to kill Plagueis. Which means Plagueis was not receiving all of his master's teachings as Tenabris was clearly gone often enough to secretly train a second apprentice without Plagueis ever knowing or suspecting.
And there were other sith capable of manipulating life and midiclorians in various ways as well. Such as Emperor Viciate who absorbed the life out of an entire planet. And even Tenabris altered the structure of his midiclorians so the would not be reabsorbed into the force after his death.
Didn't darth Zannah try to wait for Darth Bane to grow old🤔
idk y i even bother anymore mine never wins.
Sidious is my favorite Sith.
twlovelife Goooooooood
Me too
Fun fact: The reason Darth Bane cloaked himself with a Mask is because, as he dedicated himself to discover more Sith artifacts, Des (Or Bane) stumbled across parasites in a cave that hooked onto his body. They somehow oddly replunished the power of the dark side onto Bane's physical strength with the force thus making him slightly stronger (or weaker?) Over countless months trying to create his own Sith holocron to express his knowledge that he gained from Darth Revan, Bane slept with a mask on and armor so that he could avoid these creatures from spreading onto his facial structure which could prove to be rather deadly. He survived because the pain would ultimately fuel his rage and make him powerful; He also believed that 'healing powers' were not the way of the dark side, therefore he remained faithful to anti-Jedi practices, such as creating the 'Rule of Two.'
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Good video, I agree with it. But Mace Windu was stated to have defeated Palp, even G.L said Mace beat him.
That quote of George Lucas was so ambiguous in the Revenge of the Sith DVD. He said that Mace was overpowering Sidious but not that he decisively overpowered him.
Nevertheless, I do think Mace Windu did beat Sidious. However I only think he beat him as a duelist, not in the Force. Let's look at the description in the novel when Sidious was hitting him with lightning:
{Now Anakin was at Mace's shoulder. Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.
Palpatine's eyes glowed with power, casting a yellow glare that burned back the rain from around them. "He is a traitor, Anakin. Destroy him."
"You're the chosen one, Anakin," Mace said, his voice going thin with strain. This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade. "Take him. It's your destiny."
Skywalker echoed him faintly. "Destiny..."
...
Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me-"}
- Excerpt from the Revenge of the Sith Novelization
Yes I remember reading it, but right after that, Palp said he could not hold on any longer, and Mace pushed back, then Palp started begging for Skywalkers help. It was close, there no question. Mace was being slowly overpowered, but Palp burned himself out, even if only temporarily, trying to get Windu off him. But that being said, its only my opinion, there was real fear is Palps eyes just before Skywalker saved him.
TheAncientDemon At that point I think Sidious was playing possum for Anakin.
You made a subscriber out of me, been watching more of your videos, I like them, even if I don't always agree, entertaining stuff.
Its possible, but like I said, there was real fear in his eyes before Skywalker saved him. At that point it would have been time to drop the act, and save himself, but he didn't.
ahsoka vs tulak hord
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Impossible match, we have nothing about Tulak Hord except tales and legends.
Here’s the thing people like to forget. Yes, Sidious is the result of a millennium of the Baneite Sith. But even by the time for Cognus’ Apprentice, the cracks had already started to form and every Sith since at least Tenebris stabbed their Master in the back, not by combat as Bane had intended.