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This took me too long, and doesn't have a hook, but I just needed to get this done and get it out. Definitely missed some important stuff, but glad I got my thoughts out there.
0:00 Intro
4:25 Repair
5:49 Sampling
10:42 Beat Walkthrough
12:34 Workflow Pondering / Preferences
14:22 SmartMedia Card mention
16:00 An Attempted Resampling Demo
18:28 Concluding Thoughts on Workflow
20:35 Effects Walkthrough
31:53 Concludes - เพลง
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There are a few things that might have clouded your experience with the 303:
1) Even without a memory card, you can have 16 samples assigned to pads, not 8. You need to use banks A and B, and you can mix and match the samples from both banks in your beat. With a memory card you can have 32 samples assigned to a pad using banks A,B,C and D. The 303 has 8 Note polyphony (only 8 samples playing at EXACTLY the same time) but the number of samples you can use in a beat is 16 without a card.
2) To get the real magic from the Vinyl Sim compressor you really need to sample in at the lower sampling rates. The 303 compresses to RDAC rather than Wav, which becomes really buttery at the lower rates in combination with vinyl sim. That’s why VULF can’t really match it. Most people are putting WAVs through VULF, but it needs to be crushed RDAC files.
3) Using the sequencer eliminates all of your workflow issues like having to make a resampling decision and stick to it.
These three things together give the true 303 experience.
there's a WAV to RDAC converter out there. one open source and one official from roland. with #2 in mind, could I convert a WAv to RDAC, resample into WAV then pitch down? or would that not give the same effect since the RDAC is technically being converted back into WAV?
So you'd get a different effect from the vinyl sim if you sample to a pad vs sampling through it as an fx box?
The two main things about 303 vs any of the 404's....just SOUNDS BETTER..more buttery (OG, NON SX 404 has similar sound quality) especially the vinyl sim, and second, the ability to RECORD TO A PAD, WITH a pad PLAYING...giving one the ability to play a drumloop, for instance, on one pad, while playing, say, a synth, or bass, plugged into the mic input or RCA, and play along, OR playing sampled chops, WHILE recording both simultaneously to another pad, giving one the ability to basically "live loop" with multiple layers and efx, and record those "loops" to create different sequence parts that can be triggered live manually, and then recorded externally to create "full songs". It's a fairly technically primitive way to go about things, but somehow feels far more "musical" to me, and allows me to actually "play" more things and makes it more of a "recording process" workflow, alot like using a 4trk....and I love it
SP-202 is the cleanest of the line paired with a DR-202 thing becomes a beast
It's interesting coming back to this after I just bought an SP-404 MK2. I didn't realize samplers had come so far so fast
Been waiting for this! Very cool look at the 303 man good job. I’ve got a 202 I still use occasionally and always have wanted it’s younger brother. Crazy how much these old samplers have jumped in price the past few years. Would love to see you do more vids on samplers 🤘
I bought the SP-202 when it came out. Right after, replaced it with the Yamaha SU700, in late 99. Wore the crap encoders out on the SU, because it was crazy fun. I have a banana box, mostly full of floppies, for that. Sold it to DJ Kero, who replaced all the encoders. Today I find myself wishing I had the 202, only converted to SD. The way it works, and the character of it's sound, is timeless. I can still hear the SU700's 3.5 drive...12 disks worth, per complex project. Sometimes late at night, I fell asleep laying back in my chair, waiting for saves/loads.
Nice chops bro! It's cool seeing someone who loves gear the way we do. Thanks for giving us a place to collectively enjoy our passions.
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I hope you've had a good Christmas Jorb. Happy New Year!
Picked one up two months ago, love it. Really stepped up my sonic game with that vinsim
I’ve never seen your channel before, but this is so incredibly helpful as a newcomer to analog equipment… seriously change nothing about your format. So informative and honest!
Cheers, really appreciate that. Lots to dig into!
This is the best Sp, IMO. The look, the feel, the sound, the limitations, the FX, the vinyl sim.
Jorb, you are the coolest. I love your videos and this was one of 'em. Back in '99 a guy loaned me a 202 for a couple of weeks & it got stolen at a show. I thought about that thing for 20 years. Preordered the 404mk2 the second it was announced, and I love it. Samplers are: FUN.
I feel a bit like I shouldn't have skipped the 202, but it didn't seem like I needed the full sweep you know. Excited to make it to the Mk2!
The SP-505 has the same Effects and has 4 Tracks (or parts). For those who can't get their hands on one of these, don't sleep on the 505! I usually cost a lil less than the 303 lol
I agree 505 is super dope and underrated but 303 has a different sound imo
This is fantastic.
🙏🙏🙏
202 pitch is fantastic honestly. I also love the Zoom sampletrak, which is my favorite of these older gems due to the sound and swing you can put on a tune.
I just bought the sp303 and this feature doesn't work on it, any idea if it works on sp555?.
Only just dropped into the vid but it's worth saying Donuts was made in Pro Tools. It's really worth reading the book Dilla Time!
"At first, Wolf wasn't sure what he was listening to. These weren't warm, neo-soul Jay Dee beats, nor were they like the unstructured, raw Dill Withers tracks he'd created since his move to California. These were tiny compositions, moving from place to place, in little more than a minute each. Instead of large open spaces on which an MC might rap, these were filled with hectic scratches and stabs of vocal and instrument samples. And the manipulations themselves were of a different kind than Wolf had ever heard James do. In one track, looping part of an old Jackson 5 ballad, “All I Do Is Think of You,” James suddenly halved the tempo and stretched the loop out to cover the doubled space, while keeping the pitch constant. This kind of “time stretching” wasn’t possible on an MPC. He’d done all these beats right on his laptop, via his Pro Tools software, which enabled James to see the waveforms-dice and recombine them, squeeze and stretch them-in ways he’d never before attempted. Created in a burst of energy after James’s discharge from Cedars-Sinai in early 2005, Donuts emerged as a complete thought." Dan Charnas, Dilla Time
The entirety of dounuts wasn’t made on protools . Dilla had about 10/11 tracks done already and really thought about putting it out as is. In fact I would say Dilla’s closest friends have the original version of dounts and it’s a lot shorter than what the fans got.
@@M_orcan Classic Album Sundays, 'The Story of J Dilla Donuts':
'Released only three days before his untimely death, Donuts was J Dilla’s ninth album and would go to be recognised as one of the most important albums of the 2000s. The album was recorded whilst Dilla was in hospital undergoing treatment for lupus on a Boss SP-303 sampler and a portable turntable which were brought to hospital by his friends from the Stones Throw record label...'
@@M_orcan I'm yet to read 'Dilla Time' - If it doesn't talk about Dilla making beats in his hospital bed, then something doesn't add up...
If you're not already aware, a book dedicated to the album was released in 2014, in the '33 1/3' series by Jordan Ferguson, which i'm also not read, yet...
I haven’t read the book, so I don’t want to make any accusations. But plenty of people who actually were part of making Donuts-Stones Throw connected people like Egon and PB Wolf-have already talked about the recording process of that album all the way back in 2005 at the time, as well as since.
One thing that they have said in the past is that there were also a few MPC 3000 beats, but the majority were done on the 303 Madlib put Dilla onto when they did the first version of the Jaylib project, and then Champion Sound.
THEN … Dilla and Stones Throw engineers used Pro Tools to edit and stretch the very short snippets of beats into tracks. There’s a video on TH-cam where one of the engineers even talks about the process. Apparently, some of the beats were literal sketches and lasted no more than 30 seconds. In order to make an album, some clever editing had to be done.
So yes, Donuts WAS made in Pro Tools. But it was MADE on analog samplers, primarily the 303. I don’t want to disparage the author too much, but I think that’s what happens when someone who wasn’t there and isn’t connected to hip hop or the time period … writes a book like this.
I appreciate Dilla getting his proper respect and scholarly treatment, but I have a feeling Dilla Time is faaaar from authoritative. I heard interviews with the guy on podcasts when it came out and wasn’t impressed, and I had a number of cringe moments, so never read it. Now I might want to check it out and see how many inaccuracies there are.
Overdub Jorb, freaked me the hell out 😎
i think that was like, 3am
I remember how very badly I wanted the 202 when it came out, salivating over that page in the Sam Ash catalog
I still want the SP, and DR 202s.
the 202 and 303 are the only samplers I've ever really gotten along with completely. There is something about their limitations and simplicity that makes me love them. I do all the sample preparation besides chopping on the 202 to acquire its sound and then do the final chopping and sequencing on the 303. There is a workaround for duplicating patterns, so I will program my drums once and then make 4-6 copies of it to lay samples over. Then I just "perform" the beat into a handheld recorder with the Vinyl Sim applied to all samples and I'm done! No mix or master required.
Recently I picked up the Sonicware Liven Lofi-12 but I did not enjoy the workflow for making beats on it, however, it is an EXCELLENT sample editor and has polyphonic chromatic playback so I basically use it as a fancy SK5. Has made creating basslines WAY easier.
I like this idea of going through some generations of samplers.
Nice video!
Nice demonstration. I’m still working on trigger discipline when it comes to the SP-404.
It's worth getting the 404 or one of the 16 pad sp devices. The resample is pretty nice. I do everything into the mpc then record that into the so for the reverb,lofi, and effects. Commit and let love for sure
Unitl this video popped up on my suggested feed, I had totally forgotten that I used to own one of these!
Classic clamp oscilloscope ;)
THAT INTRO! OK JORB DILLA GO OFF MY DUDE
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Cool vid.
Nice intro song !❤
Nice Beat!
Thanks!
sick intro flip mayne
Cheers, appreciate that
Yeah resampling can get annoying combined with the storage management. I highly recommend using two samplers side by side, it really improves the workflow for resampling; Diabia$e’s 404 masterclass explores this concept in depth
Ya I wanna have 2 sp's side by side but I have been thinking about getting a launch pad.. bcuz instead of 12 sample banks on an sp404; I'll have like 64 sample banks
there are a few traits of the sp303 that are exceptional but overall I am still happy to have upgraded to the sp404A then the mk2. I will never get rid of the 202 though for the buttery smooth pitch (still better than the mk2 pitch feature imo).
I use an sp303 and a sp404a. I tried to go to an MPC ONE and am having trouble with it. The MPC ONE can do so much its overwhelming for me. I think im going to pick up another sp303 really love them.
Ah man you need a SmplTrek for now memory. They are finally shipping. It won't have that Lofi sound authentically but they have send fx for it. Mine will be here soon and I'm too pumped.
Man, i remember back in the day when these things were like DS-1 pedals and just everywhere. I REALLY wish I snatched one up while they were still ubiquitous and cheap lol
Yep, along with a Korg Kaossilator...
if you notice after you hit the start stop button that the mark lit up. that shows you that your values were saved. recenter the value knob, hit the start stop button and continue shortening the sample. Also after you get it close you can adjust the bpm value and make it perfect...im sorry if you know all this. just responding to your question.
Wow okay yeah thank you.
I could tell I was missing some part of that
@@JorbLovesGear no worries. Ive had mine for 25 years or so. Just thought i would pass on the knowledge. Keep up the good work!
I definitely understand the vintage/straight forward/knob per function/“what you see is what you get” appeal of the older types of samplers. However, despite the charm, I really don’t see how these older devices can compete with something even like a circuit rhythm, in terms of ability and functionality. But this is also coming from someone who doesn’t have any sampling in their work flow! Haha
I love this sampler so much. once you understand everything it becomes very easy to make songs on. Sadly I have owned two in the past and always ended up selling them for some stupid reason that seemed logical at the time. I think I'm going to fork over the 400-500 for another one soon and never let it gooo lol.
I got this and the sp 505 groove box collecting dust. Come back to this post when ur ready. Lol. They go nice together.
Was very close to selling mine until I realized that I still listen to music that was made by it … I don’t think I’ll ever let it go.
Talking bout gear and history, probably one of the staple, unmissable sound quality that goes with a genre is Akai S series and Bristol Trip Hop, especially Tricky. That 10 -12 -16 bit crunch evolution in samples is so so iconic. You can hear Akais all over Massive Attack stuff too.
Barely related, open question (for engagement, at least):
RCA jack repair - I scored a pawn shop deal years ago on a Tascam DP-32... All perfect aside from the RCA output is dead on the left channel only.
My local repair guy wasn't interested in looking at it. His reason seemed awfully general... something like, "Tascam uses crappy multi-layer circuit boards which are not worth trying to repair by anyone but the manufacturer".
Do you guys and gals agree with him? It always seemed to me that it should be a super easy fix, like a faulty jack or cracked solder joint. But this guy made me paranoid that any attempt will brick my unit.
Wait, why am I posting this question in Jorb's comments? Oh, right, the 303 repair. And engagement for the algorithm... Jorb is the man!!
Needs - song seq; proper pitching (i.e. sample speed, like the 202 and nearly every other sampler ever - preferably per sample); at least one mute group. Would've made it perfect. Other than that, nice box. Just sold mine for an OG EPS.
Tip - buy multiple 8mb cards and use one card, one beat (obvs backing up banks A/B).
2:43 🎶Just remember ALL CAPS when you spell the man name…🎶
I had 2 of these at one point and regret selling one.. True that the slow sample deletion sucks on this machine and that's my only compliant.. What I do is sample and chop on the MPC and sample it to the SP303 just to speed things up. Other uses I had with this is that I can use it as an external hardware effect in Ableton or have in a mix bus for a bit of color.
lots of small practical tips in this video!
Very cool. I have mine chained to my Live II input just for sampling in through the Vinyl Sim (with flutter and crackle off) Everything I've played or sampled into mt MPC for the last couple years has gone through it. Adds some character for sure.
Waiting for you to come upon an EMU SP for a video.
I may have to try this, just using it as a processor...Yeah I would love to try an SP1200 wow
Mine is set up the same. Its much easier than trying to deal with the sample times. I use it as a pass through effects machine and only sampling chops on to the pads for the long or lofi then right back in.
@@Daschill_ long and lo-fi will work passing through if you set it to record
@@jaymack7062 I tried both pad and pass through and for some reason it sounded different. I would double check bro.
@@Daschill_ yeah you're right, it does sound different
I absolutely love the mirror idea on the o-scope. If you got it from Cuckoo kudos!
These effects are also on the MC-505. Same Boss Engine. The whole kit in a 24-bit unit from boss called the VF-1.
Cuckoo does such a good job of making an interesting frame pre-editing and then enhacing..absolutely an inspiration. 505 is on my list!
@@JorbLovesGear I'll be interested in your thoughts on the 505. It was the first bit of kit that I ever learned inside and out (because I was poor and had no other choice.) Not a slam on it but as you will discover when you play with it, getting *believable* analog sounds out of it took effort. There's a reason I lusted for a Virus. If you choose to do a video on it I would be willing to support you for free of course--I haven't had one for a long time but I have muscle memory ROFL. After I finish up my first (full) track in 17yrs I'll be available. Compliation deadline is Dec 31.
@@JorbLovesGear And Cuckoo is such a beautiful mind. I watch his videos just to ramp down sometimes. He's like the Bob Ross of synthesizers.
I find it surprising how much people are willing to put up with for a device with small form factor. By the time the SP-303 was released there had been so many advancements in sample technology and the capabilities of actual professional samplers was significantly more than this...I bring this up because you'd think that we'd have some insane hardware samplers or at least something to rival what was, but there just isn't, and it kinda frustrates me as someone who wants to actually make music with only hardware.
The 303 is my favorite SP. They all have a variety of very annoying limitations (biggest pet peeve to me is no actual pitch) but the 303 has the best combination of nice sound and flexible resampling.
Also a lot of the "made on 303" is not true or partially true. For example, Madlib was using it with a Roland VS multitrack recorder, not standalone. Dilla rarely used one etc.
Love this thing, I bought mine in 2001 and never got rid of it. Regarding the delete times: IIRC deleting samples from the SM card is MUCH faster than deleting the internal samples.
My biggest gripe with it is the lack of actual pitching (where time and pitch are locked together). I think the SP-202 had it, and even the digital drum machines in the 80s did. Seems like such a simple thing to implement, no idea why it wasn't an option.
Can you do a tape stop effect with the 303, or the old 404’s?
@@a.stockton4817 I've never had a 404, but with a 303 you cannot do tape stop effects.
donuts was actually done mostly in pro tools then on an mpc, only the full tracks were ran through the 303 once they were already done
Jorb, play a synth through the vinyl sim. It sounds like swirly electric heaven.
Editing without screen now that’s a challenge that will make you better at chopping
I think it deletes a tiny bit faster on the card sample banks c/d
I come across these every so often. I want to jump to a boss or roland machine to fool around
Why not have lot's of effects. I agree with Roland.
Great fuckin video very informative
The year 2001, when the sp303 came out, definitely wasn’t early to have a “lofi” effect. In fact, the first wave of lofi was almost over by then. Think “Land Of The Loops”, Roudoudou, Kid Loco, the first Looper album “Up A Tree”. David Holmes, AIM. The way we often got the sound back then was using the Sound Recorder in Windows 95 and Windows 98 which could convert your samples to any sample rate and bit depth. But by 2001 the market was awash with samplers that had a “lofi” button. The Zoom Sampletrack, the Yamaha SU200. Roland were quite late to the market with that. In fact, I think Roland copied the resampling feature from the Yamaha SU200, which probably took it from the Yamaha SU700. And I think the SP202 was basically a rip of the Yamaha SU10. I love the sp303 though. They perfected the workflow with that.
Great video though. Looking forward to your journey through the SPs. I get the feeling that by the time you reach the Mark 2 you’ll be pining for the simplicity of the 303. Koala pretty much obsoloceses the Mark 2. But it can’t touch the sound of the 303. Not so much the effects, but the 303 compresses the samples using RDAC, which can’t be matched by WAV for warmth and tape-like quality, and that ringing on the lowest sample rate. That’s what it’s all about.
I had a Roland ms1 for many years and I loved the limitations and I would like to buy another one but they're too expensive for how crappy they are
Did you buy the 303 from Reverb in early 2018 (or somewhere around that time)? I sold mine at that time, after having attempted soldering a new jack onto it.
Much more recent, just got it a few months ago!
Great review, thanks! (It does take forever to delete a sample from a pad 😂)
What model scope are you using? That's super dope
th-cam.com/video/ghfMBVU_6tQ/w-d-xo.html
It's better in the long run to buy an Smartmedia to XD card converter & use the XD card to store/transfer you data.
@Jorb Don't forget about the SP-505 which came out before the 404...don't ask me why 🤔
The 505 is basically a larger-form 303 … Roland has never had much respect for consecutive/logical product numbering, lol.
@@kierenmoore3236 Still want him to do a video on it even though it was my first sample back in 2003 I would like to see his take on it.
I was looking for one of these as well, ebay alerts etc. I like the weird ones, I like the forgotten ones
@@JorbLovesGear I just got 1 on ebay but got to send it back cuz the audio keeps becoming distorted.
External Source Resample. 😀
the phono jacks on my unit i bought back in the 90s ..new with the dr 202 crapped out as well. not due to physical damage...may just be a faulty component? imo its the only downside to this unit
awesome possum
what is the oscilloscope to the left?
this in a mirror th-cam.com/video/ghfMBVU_6tQ/w-d-xo.html
I bought one of these a long time ago around the same time that I purchased an MPC 4K. I found the 4K way easier to learn and actually use lol. Obviously the 4K and the 303 are in totally different leagues sonically, but I expected the 303 to be the easier machine to learn. That wasn't the case at all. I kept the 4K and still have it to this day. I can basically make that thing do backflips and it's like an extension of my mind when I'm making stuff with it, but I sold the 303 after maybe a year or so of fighting with it. I didn't actually need to consult a manual to wrap my head around the 4K, but I couldn't figure the 303 out any other way, which is weird because the 303 is the much simpler and limited machine so it should be easier to learn, in theory. Maybe the 303 is really simple and easy to use when you finally figure it out, but in my view, something is poorly designed if I have to actually get the manual to use it. I get that people have a lot of love for these machines and I'm as big a fan of Madlib as anybody, but I just couldn't get on with them and don't understand the appeal. I found the workflow to be clunky, unintuitive, limited, and awful.
I almost traded a MS-20 Mini for a SP-303, but samplers just are not my jam really. Plus the more I looked into what it can do the more I realized it's workflow isn't my cup of tea. I do wish I would of gone for the trade for the simple fact I found out after I had turned the offer down is that you can often get more out of a SP-303 than a MS-20 Mini.
If you're not already aware:
'The filter on the MS20 is legendary, and the designers were kind enough to provide an external input for processing other gear...'
I dont see a use for this vs an mpc with jjos.
I like that you dont use an SM7B. Make the SM58 cool again 😂
Dude, you are clearing samples right? how does that work, this could really be very cool to hear you talk about tbh. Often i can free myself to do a creative part until i know its possible and doesnt put me in a bad spot.
I'm not, I highkey have no idea how to do it. I sent a few emails to tracklib about working on a video years ago because they simplify it, but maybe I've got the clout to get a response now...
OP, if your sampled music is under the radar then it really doesn't matter, or if your music ends up on a label they can deal with it (most independent labels are still very under the radar to bother with clearing stuff)... If you want to read up on this stuff, just search for 'sample clearance guides'...
Hi, Jorb! How much for this little scope? Is it not a mirror?
It's a my hardware scope, reflected in a mirror; th-cam.com/video/ghfMBVU_6tQ/w-d-xo.html
Madlib the bad kid
0:07 what is that little visualizer/oscilloscope thingy to the left?
this in a mirror th-cam.com/video/ghfMBVU_6tQ/w-d-xo.html
@@JorbLovesGear Ahhhh. Clever 😂😂😂
You said Vulf Compressor? The vst from vulfpeck?
Yup, it's based on the 303 vinyl sim compression!
Amazing! I didn’t know that, love your work man, keep up
I’m of the unpopular opinion that the 404 SX has a much better vinyl sim.
So where does the audio come out of ?
RCA jacks on top
The prices for smart media cards are the real downside of the SP-303.
They're like 5 bucks
@@cvltzilla checked ebay, they are still $128 for a 4mb card. Not sure if what your source is, because I would love a $5 smart media card.
Gear in Ireland has a different meaning all together.
Yeah I love that too
Theres Is no one on TH-cam that showcases the resample method as well as you.
Scattered thoughts are better than coherent thoughts to be honest
I just bought one of these, well gutted to find you can't use pitch to speed up or slowdown on the sp303, this is useless.
✋ "promo sm"!
That thing is just a paper weight now. Koala sampler way better, Embrace the future.