NEVER Speed Train Heavy! (Golf Speed Training)
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One of the biggest misconceptions and myth's in the golf world is that in order to effectively speed train to gain speed and distance with your golf swing, is that you need to speed train with an overweighted (heavier than your driver) training aid. We have debunked this myth not only to prove why it isn't necessary in your pursuit of more speed and distance, but also why it is actually counterproductive in helping you drive the golf ball further and to shoot lower scores.
1. Swinging anything heavier than your driver exponentially increases your risk for injury from your speed training. We'll go over the force calculations to illustrate how even though you're swinging a heavier item slower, it actually puts more stress and strain on your body each swing. Think swinging a sledge hammer as fast as you can 15 times vs swinging a driver as fast as you can 15 times. After swinging both, the sledge hammer clearly causes more fatigue and strain on your joints, ligaments, tendons, and muscles?
2. Swinging heavier objects creates poor swing habits. In order to swing a heavier object, your body needs to recruit larger muscles. The golf swing is a finesse movement, not a brute strength move, the larger the muscles you swing with (think of an over the top, all arms swing), the worse your timing, sequencing, and positions will be.
3. It promotes MOVING SLOWER. The heavier the object, the slower you will swing, that's a simple concept. And the more swings we perform at slower speeds, the most comfortable our body is at moving slower. This is speed training, we want to raise our speed ceiling to break through barriers to train our fast twitch muscles and Central Nervous System to move faster than it is used to swinging, translating to our controlled on course swing for further drives.
Have you considered the effect that a driver head has on the shaft opposed to the toad? At speed would the driver head not torque the shaft a bit different?
The weight of the driver head, plus the impact of the golf ball, makes the Speed Toad easier on the shaft than your actual driver. I hope that answers your question? 👍
I think you are understating benefit of Speed Toad having less force on the body and shaft.
The centripetal force is
Fc = mv^2/r
Fortunately, you can largely ignore the mass of the shaft and grip (and arms) which are moving slower and are the same for driver vs toad. We can also ignore conversions and units since they are the same on both sides. Radius stays the same as well.
(0.14)(Vt^2)/r = (0.195)(100^2)/r
Vt = 118 mph with a 140g Toad to have the same force as a 195g driver at 100mph.
As far as the 245mph record: 245 / 1.5 = 163 mph club
Relative force (163/100)^2 = 2.67x of a 100mph swing.
The head has 2.67 times the energy as well (0.5mV^2).
I will do all the math you want for the next video in exchange for a Toad. 🧮😁
This is a great and interesting way to look at it! We'll have to dig deeper on centripetal force, since we were simply looking at force applied to the golf ball in each swing/weight, great thinking!
This is clearly not getting a lot of traction, rather, a lot of push-back in the comments. However, I find it very interesting. I've been speed training using the OG Speed Sticks and the PRGR and utilizing their most recent protocols. I was a good golfer but had slow speed but I immediately picked up about 10mph + and went from a 220-240 golfer to a 260-290 + golfer. At 50 years old, I was pretty happy. I have been diligent in my training and lifting, but it always seems that when I do SS I end up with a sore lower back and lately I just haven't seen the results. I have never been able to break the plateau that I reached early, which has resulted in max on course of 110, but usually more like a max of 107. I'm very fit and work out a lot and smart, and I'm tired of having a sore lower back every time I speed train. This idea of not using the heavy implements to swing really makes sense to me. I wonder what Sasho and Phil Cheatham and the other experts out there say? Anyway, thank for the idea. I'll give it a try.
Thanks for watching and reaching out! Sorry you've been dealing with injuries, I wish you were the first we've heard of that. We were in the same boat two years ago before inventing the Speed Toad, so we know the frustration! I'll paste the link to two extensive blog articles we wrote on this in comments below. It has been conventional wisdom the last 10 years that heavy "clubs" are needed for gaining speed, so it's tough to see coaches who have preached this method for a decade admit otherwise. But our thousands of Speed Toad users with incredible speed gains, along with two speed world records by our cofounder, have proven the Speed Toad (and app) is all that is needed for gaining speed. We actually have a video on our channel interviewing a 64 year old who trained with the Speed Toad this past year (no injuries). Let us know if you have any other questions!
thespeedtoad.com/blog/golf-speed-training-biggest-myth-busted-/
thespeedtoad.com/blog/golf-speed-training-and-high-injury-risk-/
@@TheSpeedToad Thank you so much for replying. I look forward to checking out these links.
I use a 175g head for speed training as well as my regular driver. 630N vs 620N is a percent and a half...not a major injury concern, just not a speed benefit. More wt can help you feel the head and improve your sequence, but agree with chance of recruiting the wrong muscles. I am sure Speed Toad protocol would work for about anyone.
245mph is super human. What is the peak force during that?
Ya know, I've never been on force plates so I'm not sure. Force into the ball would be the weight of my driver x the speed, in that fancy Newtons calculation formula
Speed training is to overtrain the muscles corresponding to a golf swing. It’s the same principle with any weight training for athletic pursuit. Small muscles are all attached to bigger muscles, and while it is true the most speed came from the release of the club, a stable core and connecting muscles are the foundations to support and achieve those speed. Look at the speed related events like 100 meter dash, those athletes are actually very muscular and explosive. The way you stated, it sounded like a skinny body with Popeye wrists is the way to go, I don’t think so. I do think a correct concept of a golf swing with the correct sequence of action and coordination of the muscles involved is essential for speed training. There are many cases of evidence that speed trading with added weights have achieved significant swing speed. While your method might very well also benefit gaining swing speed, it’s not a proof that swinging with weights is useless. About injury, it’s how and how much you do. All gains involve overloading principle, it is the foundation of athletic gain, especially concerning power and speed gain. It’s unavoidable and best supervised by professionals.
thespeedtoad.com/blog/golf-speed-training-biggest-myth-busted-/