It's good that you and your twin brother are working together in the shop again. I was worried there was some family drama and you weren't speaking to each other.
In addition to being educational and informative, your videos are some of the most entertaining I know of. Thanks so much for letting us watch and for your excellent video editing!
One trick to counteract the jiggle is to fill the extruded aluminum of the frame with sand. Fill it just so much that it still has some room to move an cap it of with hot glue. The mass of the sand and the fact that it can move inside the Aluminium will greatly reduce vibration and jiggle
I like the way you do things. I always learn something new or another way of doing it. I also like that you reuse a lot of things that you have saved earlyer. Everything has another purpose of use. Your Video editing ist great. Many greetings from Germany.
Anyone else notice how he handled that 1” MDF board?? If memory serves, those things are very heavy and that was a full sheet. Turns out the soft spoken humble retired guy can bend you in half if you get out of hand! 😂
Well, he was manhandling gigantic logs in a previous video, described as "the largest piece he could handle safely" or something to that effect. I think it was for the wheeled stairs. Frank appears to be unexpectedly really strong :)
Hi Frank ! Great news ! Cory guided me through acceleration profiles the XY movements in Mach 4 for the machine to shake a little less, and it has made a true difference for me ! (The cutting straying at the same speed)
Do you mind sharing the values you're using on your machine? We got a guide from them, but not any suggested changes. we have a 5x10 pro series with the 3hp spindle.
Frank, I was taught to immediately seal the ends of your freshly milled lumber with beeswax before storing/stacking to dry. Otherwise the ends dry out much faster which encourages cracking and warping. Sealed ends help the lumber to dry out at an even rate.
As always a incredible video. You make the video so different and special. I look forward to see the new project you will make on this CNC table. I wish you and your family a great week. All the best from Jan in Norway
I am really enjoying my new machine with the new upgraded sensors. I am always walking into the old ones that stick way out. I did make some brackets to protect them but now I just smash my hip on the brackets. Thinking I will upgrade the other machine soon as well...
Great video as always!. If you did have some sealer on the oak exposed end grain I couldn't tell in the video but think that would help a lot with the checking.
As a video editor I’m curious what your data storage workflow is for your footage to be able to pull up a ten year old clip-presumably -on a whim. Love your work!
Nice. I'll suggest again, the C&C computer probably doesn't need to be close to the machine. Putting it in a dust free area and running a cable may be a better solution. Not sure if it's worth the time and effort, but it's a thought.
Have you thought about putting the hinge for the vertical portion on the bottom instead of in the joint? Then you could have it at the same level as the main table surface and not have the hinge in the way. You could then even resurface the entire table surface (including the vertical extension) at the same time. I know if would take some reconfiguration of the hardwood piece, but I think it would be worth it.
time to get a "big boy" bit (4" or 6" diameter) and see what sorts of depths of cut you can actually take. Maybe get it to make real chips and not dust. I wonder if the new spindle has speed control.
Hi ... interesting build! ... you're lucky to have such a great machine! I was under the impression, could be wrong, that the surface of MDF has a greater hardness factor than the interior because of the high pressure manufacturing process ... if you intend to resurface the spoil board from time to time, you may lose the out-of-the-box dead smooth glassy surface ... maybe this is not a concern? ... just wondering .... Cheers Farmer John, Ontario, Canada
Marius Hornburger just put a new spindle on his CNC and had some very clever techniques to get it perfectly aligned which he uploade to YT. Wish I had a space like yours to work in.
Btw an impact driver will not torque twist your wrist like a combi drill will. A 12v one will suffice for light to fairly moderate tasks and are lighter too.
Frank, great video. Your drill though! Doesn't it drive you batty that it's so wobbly when you're using it? The chuck doesn't seem setup right at all. I bet Milwaukee would send you a new unit that is setup right, because every time you drive in a screw, or take one out it's noticeable. All the best!
Hi, Have you considered plastic nails (shot through a nail gun) to hold down items on your CNC table? If hit, the bit cuts through without damage and removal of the pinned down pieces is an easy lateral tap.
@@cgstadler IIRC he said that he only realized it was bent when he watched the video, not while he was building. funny, that. but if i had a bent bit, i'd replace it.
Great video. I enjoy understanding your whys & how's to address certain issues. What softwares are you using: CAD ? And (CAM) translator (from CAD to g-code) to control the router ? Is it a 3D packard ? I'm considering getting a CNC router but no one explains what SW tools they utilize. Your answer will be appreciated !
Awesome as always sir! I hesitate to point this out, but conventional wisdom says to never use MDF as stickers when stacking wet wood, as MDF and moisture don't get along, and your stickers will gradually become shims over time... Also, with oak I would be concerned about marking due to oak's tannin content etc. Enjoy the new spindle!
As always, fun to watch. I always love seeing you do two things at once. I am curious, I have noticed that you haven't been using the dust collection, How come?
Watch out using compressed air to clean out your compressor, I killed one doing exactly the same, guess it generated static in the line, maybe grounding the nozzle might prevent it
You have much 3 phase machinery. I would like to know what kind of phase converter you use. The CNC comes with its own converter? You run single phase 220v to it at how many amps? I'm looking to expand my machinery. Seems there are more options for 3 phase machines.
Hey Frank. I built a CNC PC rig for a friend a few years ago. They sell thicker dust filters very cheap and it will probably prolong your computers life. Search 'dustproof fan protector computer', it's usually under $10 and you can keep that dust from destroying your fans and building up in the heat sinks.
Probably because the torque of the impact driver is not as controllable as the drill. In a few instances, you can hear the sound of the clutch when it tightens.
@@tobyb9559 disagree. The variable speed control on the impact is quite precise. I just think it works better for spinning screws and bolts. My opinion obviously
A variable clutch drill/driver is definitely the way to go with machine assembly... Setting the clutch to the bolt torque you need is more precise, and it will be much less likely to cross thread.
@@biguprochester Mine doesn't have a clutch, but based on your comment I looked on the Mkita website and I see that the new ones do. I will make sure to seek that out when I go to replace mine.
Ok, I haven't gotten through the whole video yet, but WHAT!? 8.7 HP (~6500 watts)? Does it require 3 phase power? Because even at 240V that's almost 30 amps. Or am I looking at this wrong?
So let me get my terminology correct. Z axis is the vertical movement. Why would you want to from 12in to 8in in vertical height for the machine? Does not appear to be any height restrictions in your shop.
@@gimmepowder It's only less ridged if you use the height. At the new current height of 8 in, it should have the same rigidity as the 8 in level of the old Z axis.
if i look at the speeds you usually go.. the 2.2kw was more then enough. i usually go full depth in medite 313 mdf.. so 18mm in one go or birch ply 18 mm in one go. what most people do with cncs .. is not going fast enough. you can easily go a few meter a minute full depth.
I used to operate one of those tables at a shop in Burbank, and it did tend to shake. Granted, I'm sure the guy who owned the company was responsible for it being out of tram, square, plumb, level, etc.
I was wondering about this too. You get the full 6.5 kw (8.7 hp) of spindle power on 3-phase, and get 27 % less spindle power (4.7 kw) on 220 volt single phase according to the Avid website. Any comments ?
you might already know but all of what you call bolts are screws. bolts use the support of a nut two hold two materials together and a screw uses a material to hold itself and another material together. they're called machine screws
Frank, every time my wife catches me watching one of your videos, she slaps me in the back of the head as if to say, why aren't you more like Frank; get out there in that woodshop that we're still paying for and make something. Still, I love watching your videos and my coworkers have gotten used to the constant bruising and my wife isn't putting as much oomph into it as she used to. Cheers.
Be careful removing dust from power supplies. The thermal shock can crash the supplies. Remove the dust bit by bit over a series of days. In dusty conditions you need a dust filter near the air inlets.
@@michaelseery5588 Personal experience from maintaining older machines with identical power supply designs, which have not changed much in 30 years. Capacitors & transfomers in power supplies blew which has years of dust, then dust blowned out and the temperature dropped mechically contractions causing electrical failures. Heat creates expansion, cold contractions. Blow dust out regularly as magnetic fields attract dust, despite fans in power supplies. Best to have dust filters on power supplies in dusty areas. Dust is a thermal insulator, so it holds in the heat.
@@michaelseery5588 Yes, but remove the large amount of dust bit by bit over long period of time to allow it cool slowly, unless you regularly air brush it out regularly and have filters after getting new equipment/power supplies. Regular Prevention Maintenance is crucial. Prevention of dust getting in via air filters is preferable.
I was waiting for the "bed goes up" and "bed goes down" .... 😂🤣
Me too Roy, it would have been great wouldn't it?
I just said it in my head but it wasn't the same...
Me too!!!
Quite. I am disappointed in him.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
It's good that you and your twin brother are working together in the shop again. I was worried there was some family drama and you weren't speaking to each other.
In addition to being educational and informative, your videos are some of the most entertaining I know of. Thanks so much for letting us watch and for your excellent video editing!
I was hoping for some Homer Simpson with the end table, haha
Me too!
Bed goes up. Bed goes down.
Missed opportunity
D'oh!
Me too
Thank you for putting this out there. My avid cnc is on order and Im going to change to the 8hp spindle. Your comments helped me make up my mind.
One trick to counteract the jiggle is to fill the extruded aluminum of the frame with sand. Fill it just so much that it still has some room to move an cap it of with hot glue. The mass of the sand and the fact that it can move inside the Aluminium will greatly reduce vibration and jiggle
My shins would for sure find those sharp corners on the aluminum braces.
Id love to watch a time-lapse of leveling the table
I like the subtle flex at 4:19 showing how much you paid for your wrench....we get it, that TH-cam money is nice! 😆😉
"we see him rollin'..." 🤑
chinese-ium steel. we really should stop giving them our money.
no doubt a priceless garage sale find
I'm impressed with how much use you've gotten out of all the materials that came out of that pool.
I’m sure you’re going to enjoy all the upgrades you’ve been waiting so long to install. Have fun!
You have A very relaxing voice. It is like listing to A.S.M.R.
Great film. Always excellent work. 17:20 remembering drafting tables... : ) Mahalo for sharing!
I like the way you do things. I always learn something new or another way of doing it. I also like that you reuse a lot of things that you have saved earlyer. Everything has another purpose of use. Your Video editing ist great. Many greetings from Germany.
Anyone else notice how he handled that 1” MDF board?? If memory serves, those things are very heavy and that was a full sheet. Turns out the soft spoken humble retired guy can bend you in half if you get out of hand! 😂
He’s a machine! 😉😂
My back spasmed when I saw him carrying it.
I sure saw it! I have a difficult time managing a full sheet of 3/4” by myself.
In the next shot he was wearing that hand-thing.. :D
Well, he was manhandling gigantic logs in a previous video, described as "the largest piece he could handle safely" or something to that effect. I think it was for the wheeled stairs. Frank appears to be unexpectedly really strong :)
What an amazing CNC you've got, Frank. Thanks for sharing your excellent engineering and assembly skills with us.
An impressive piece of equipment, Frank. You are truly a master of all things mechanical.
Thanks for sharing this video with all of us here, Felix!
Coming here on the recommendation of Jeremy Fielding! Incredible video!
Always a pleasure to watch when Frank is tinkering in his shop.
Hi Frank ! Great news ! Cory guided me through acceleration profiles the XY movements in Mach 4 for the machine to shake a little less, and it has made a true difference for me ! (The cutting straying at the same speed)
Thanks, I will have to ask about that.
Do you mind sharing the values you're using on your machine? We got a guide from them, but not any suggested changes. we have a 5x10 pro series with the 3hp spindle.
Very interesting upgrade Frank. Always enjoy your videos! Thanks for posting
Hope, your arm is well again. Thanks for showing. Regards from Germany.
I have said this before, and i will said it again: when i grow up i want a shop like yours :D
Thank you for another great video! Always love to watch your projects. Very therapeutic 😁
How have you watched a 21 minute video in 9 minutes? 😂
@@Kingdomfire1 I watch in very fast forward! 😂
@@jwv6985 😂😂👍🏻
Frank, I was taught to immediately seal the ends of your freshly milled lumber with beeswax before storing/stacking to dry. Otherwise the ends dry out much faster which encourages cracking and warping. Sealed ends help the lumber to dry out at an even rate.
As always a incredible video. You make the video so different and special. I look forward to see the new project you will make on this CNC table. I wish you and your family a great week. All the best from Jan in Norway
Nice job on the upgrades Frank! Thanks for always sharing with us!💖👌👍😎JP
I'm the only one who was expenting in the first seconds of the video for him to appear with a "pop" ? Hehehe ! :D Thanks for sharing !
I did as well.
Jeezz... I'm glad ONE of us knew what we were doing.... Another great video Frank (y)
I am really enjoying my new machine with the new upgraded sensors. I am always walking into the old ones that stick way out. I did make some brackets to protect them but now I just smash my hip on the brackets. Thinking I will upgrade the other machine soon as well...
Looking fantastic, as ever! Thanks for the new video and cheers from New York!
Thanks Frank, this was really interesting to watch.
Great video Frank!
“There’s probably a precise tension to the belt”
A man after my own heart
You should look into moving that Pc to a cleaner location or install passive cooling on it.
Thanks for the info Frank.
Just got my 21 boxes from UPS
And your info will help greatly in my upcoming assembly!
Cheers 🍻
With an 8hp motor I would think that you could use a flycutter for large surfacing operations.
That exposed C channel on the outside if the table looks painful from here.
Always paint the ends of the slabs to sealed them before stored them. Prevent to crack.
Great video as always!. If you did have some sealer on the oak exposed end grain I couldn't tell in the video but think that would help a lot with the checking.
As a video editor I’m curious what your data storage workflow is for your footage to be able to pull up a ten year old clip-presumably -on a whim. Love your work!
Nice.
I'll suggest again, the C&C computer probably doesn't need to be close to the machine.
Putting it in a dust free area and running a cable may be a better solution.
Not sure if it's worth the time and effort, but it's a thought.
Have you thought about putting the hinge for the vertical portion on the bottom instead of in the joint? Then you could have it at the same level as the main table surface and not have the hinge in the way. You could then even resurface the entire table surface (including the vertical extension) at the same time. I know if would take some reconfiguration of the hardwood piece, but I think it would be worth it.
That outer horizontal bracing looks like an absolute shin ripper.
time to get a "big boy" bit (4" or 6" diameter) and see what sorts of depths of cut you can actually take. Maybe get it to make real chips and not dust. I wonder if the new spindle has speed control.
I want to play in Frank's shop. Do you have a calendar for available time slots?
Oh man, I'd totally forgot the workshop was once a pool!!! That was so long ago haha
when you remove the electronics box for the old spindle you can see in your half wall a plug hanging halfway out of the socket...
Hi ... interesting build! ... you're lucky to have such a great machine! I was under the impression, could be wrong, that the surface of MDF has a greater hardness factor than the interior because of the high pressure manufacturing process ... if you intend to resurface the spoil board from time to time, you may lose the out-of-the-box dead smooth glassy surface ... maybe this is not a concern? ... just wondering .... Cheers Farmer John, Ontario, Canada
Marius Hornburger just put a new spindle on his CNC and had some very clever techniques to get it perfectly aligned which he uploade to YT. Wish I had a space like yours to work in.
Btw an impact driver will not torque twist your wrist like a combi drill will. A 12v one will suffice for light to fairly moderate tasks and are lighter too.
WOW! Impressive!
A new Frank Howarth upload, tis a good day
Frank, great video. Your drill though! Doesn't it drive you batty that it's so wobbly when you're using it? The chuck doesn't seem setup right at all. I bet Milwaukee would send you a new unit that is setup right, because every time you drive in a screw, or take one out it's noticeable. All the best!
Hi, Have you considered plastic nails (shot through a nail gun) to hold down items on your CNC table? If hit, the bit cuts through without damage and removal of the pinned down pieces is an easy lateral tap.
Is that still the same bent bit you had when you built the machine?
Glad it is the bit. I thought Frank had dropped his drill or something.
@@cgstadler
IIRC he said that he only realized it was bent when he watched the video, not while he was building. funny, that.
but if i had a bent bit, i'd replace it.
yes
@@frankmakes
why didn't you replace it? or try to fix it?
Great video. I enjoy understanding your whys & how's to address certain issues.
What softwares are you using: CAD ? And (CAM) translator (from CAD to g-code) to control the router ? Is it a 3D packard ?
I'm considering getting a CNC router but no one explains what SW tools they utilize. Your answer will be appreciated !
8.7 HP spindle fort woodworking!?!? I must have miss heard that! I have a 3hp router and have never bogged it down.
Awesome as always sir! I hesitate to point this out, but conventional wisdom says to never use MDF as stickers when stacking wet wood, as MDF and moisture don't get along, and your stickers will gradually become shims over time... Also, with oak I would be concerned about marking due to oak's tannin content etc. Enjoy the new spindle!
Holly Batman,your awesome
I was so disappointed in not hearing Homer say the table goes up the table goes down. Lol 😂
Adding weight to ours is our next step. We just replaced the spoilboard and added their vertical workholding kit.
You and Marius Hornberger should collab. Of course, we will have to wait for saner times, first.
Project idea: A house with filters for the CNC PC.
As always, fun to watch. I always love seeing you do two things at once.
I am curious, I have noticed that you haven't been using the dust collection, How come?
Pure genius
Watch out using compressed air to clean out your compressor, I killed one doing exactly the same, guess it generated static in the line, maybe grounding the nozzle might prevent it
You have much 3 phase machinery. I would like to know what kind of phase converter you use. The CNC comes with its own converter? You run single phase 220v to it at how many amps? I'm looking to expand my machinery. Seems there are more options for 3 phase machines.
Hey Frank. I built a CNC PC rig for a friend a few years ago. They sell thicker dust filters very cheap and it will probably prolong your computers life. Search 'dustproof fan protector computer', it's usually under $10 and you can keep that dust from destroying your fans and building up in the heat sinks.
It’s interesting how you use a drill instead of an impact driver.
Probably because the torque of the impact driver is not as controllable as the drill. In a few instances, you can hear the sound of the clutch when it tightens.
@@tobyb9559 disagree. The variable speed control on the impact is quite precise. I just think it works better for spinning screws and bolts. My opinion obviously
A variable clutch drill/driver is definitely the way to go with machine assembly... Setting the clutch to the bolt torque you need is more precise, and it will be much less likely to cross thread.
@@biguprochester Mine doesn't have a clutch, but based on your comment I looked on the Mkita website and I see that the new ones do. I will make sure to seek that out when I go to replace mine.
Hey Frank. Caught wind of your channel from another. Was curious if you're doing commission work with that big router.
Why would you make it smaller (12in > 8in)?
If you're not using it now, you might need it later. Always useful... Right?
Hello, where can i get a bit like this 19:25 for T-track?
Ok, I haven't gotten through the whole video yet, but WHAT!? 8.7 HP (~6500 watts)? Does it require 3 phase power? Because even at 240V that's almost 30 amps. Or am I looking at this wrong?
I was waiting for a Homer coment on the table going up and down! 😂
So let me get my terminology correct. Z axis is the vertical movement. Why would you want to from 12in to 8in in vertical height for the machine? Does not appear to be any height restrictions in your shop.
Rigidity.
@@gimmepowder It's only less ridged if you use the height. At the new current height of 8 in, it should have the same rigidity as the 8 in level of the old Z axis.
if i look at the speeds you usually go.. the 2.2kw was more then enough. i usually go full depth in medite 313 mdf.. so 18mm in one go or birch ply 18 mm in one go. what most people do with cncs .. is not going fast enough. you can easily go a few meter a minute full depth.
I agree
Whenever I need to upgrade my CNC, I have to go to the gym.
Bravo!
Avid CNC website is down. Did they go belly up?
Beautiful. Time for a new driver bit that isn't bent. ;-)
Hi Frank! What happened to your wrist?
I used to operate one of those tables at a shop in Burbank, and it did tend to shake. Granted, I'm sure the guy who owned the company was responsible for it being out of tram, square, plumb, level, etc.
NASA does woodworking.
I'm sure other people are asking already, but what happened to your arm?
on your computer change your fan from in to out
How are you powering that new spindle? 3phase? How many amps?
I was wondering about this too. You get the full 6.5 kw (8.7 hp) of spindle power on 3-phase, and get 27 % less spindle power (4.7 kw) on 220 volt single phase according to the Avid website. Any comments ?
What's that Frank your doing a CNC spindle giveaway.
you might already know but all of what you call bolts are screws. bolts use the support of a nut two hold two materials together and a screw uses a material to hold itself and another material together. they're called machine screws
Frank, every time my wife catches me watching one of your videos, she slaps me in the back of the head as if to say, why aren't you more like Frank; get out there in that woodshop that we're still paying for and make something. Still, I love watching your videos and my coworkers have gotten used to the constant bruising and my wife isn't putting as much oomph into it as she used to. Cheers.
Metal shop!
If you put cheese cloth over computer intake a lot less dust get in tks
What cad software should I get for this machine? I own a Mac.
Cool!!👍👍👍🇺🇦
"Yes Sir, I know saving these oak timbers from the U S S Constitution are taking up room, someday we will need them. Sill true today.
So how do I get Avid to send me some stuff for my CNC? Suppose illy have to order…
Be careful removing dust from power supplies. The thermal shock can crash the supplies. Remove the dust bit by bit over a series of days. In dusty conditions you need a dust filter near the air inlets.
Wow, that’s interesting. Is there anywhere I can read more about this?
@@michaelseery5588 Personal experience from maintaining older machines with identical power supply designs, which have not changed much in 30 years. Capacitors & transfomers in power supplies blew which has years of dust, then dust blowned out and the temperature dropped mechically contractions causing electrical failures. Heat creates expansion, cold contractions.
Blow dust out regularly as magnetic fields attract dust, despite fans in power supplies. Best to have dust filters on power supplies in dusty areas. Dust is a thermal insulator, so it holds in the heat.
@@RealLimerickman I think I understand.You’re saying that if you apply a blast of air to a hot capacitor, that can cause thermal shock. Right?
@@michaelseery5588 Yes, but remove the large amount of dust bit by bit over long period of time to allow it cool slowly, unless you regularly air brush it out regularly and have filters after getting new equipment/power supplies. Regular Prevention Maintenance is crucial. Prevention of dust getting in via air filters is preferable.
19:45 - Bed didn't go up, bed didn't go down, bed didn't go up, bed didn't go down... 🙁
Was I the only one waiting for "bed goes up" "bed goes down" when reattaching the end table ?
1:47 "that's what she said."