The surprising origins of the word “lesbian” - Diane J. Rayor

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  • Discover the works of poet and songwriter Sappho, and find out why only fragments of her poetry still survive.
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    Over 2,500 years ago, one of ancient Greece’s most celebrated popstars and erotic poets enraptured listeners. The singer-songwriter offered a uniquely intimate perspective on love, passion, and longing, and was the first on record to combine the words “bitter” and “sweet,” to describe the ups and downs of romance. So, who was this revered figure? Diane J. Rayor uncovers the writings of Sappho.
    Lesson by Diane J. Rayor, directed by Amir Houshang Moein.
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  • @nada__
    @nada__ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7432

    2021 : do you listen to girl in red ?
    600 BCE : *do you listen to Sappho ?*

  • @mansi8438
    @mansi8438 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6784

    This "someone in another time will remember us" hits really hard!

    • @elisal8693
      @elisal8693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      that gave me the chills

    • @jessieplexer
      @jessieplexer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      will use this phrase in my new video - so strong and emotional in the same time

    • @gharmanis
      @gharmanis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Posthumous fame(ysterophimia) in Ancient Greece was a high value. To be remembered in another time was something big that is why many men fought ferociously or others created marvelous buildings(temples) and art. Money was not so important like it is today.

    • @nonybrighto
      @nonybrighto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I dey tell you!

    • @plantsanimateddavidinventa871
      @plantsanimateddavidinventa871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah

  • @PozoBlue
    @PozoBlue 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5158

    Plato, who wasn't exactly fond of women, was so blown away with Sappho's work he called her "the Tenth Muse", essentially calling her one of the goddesses of inspiration (the 9 muses). That's how highly of a compliment you could think of.

    • @MrBryan-hr1rp
      @MrBryan-hr1rp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +466

      When an Ancient Greek philosopher with casual Old World misogyny labels you a goddess of creation, you have thus peaked

    • @EM2theBee
      @EM2theBee ปีที่แล้ว

      And the Christians, specifically the Catholics demonized it, and tried to erase any of the notion that it was acceptable.

    • @kittyn5222
      @kittyn5222 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I mean that is a good one

    • @rugma1696
      @rugma1696 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      was Plato a misogynist

    • @alfredyau2344
      @alfredyau2344 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That’s true.

  • @BuiHieuDong
    @BuiHieuDong 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3155

    Sadly to hear that we only discovered about 10% total works of this talented girl :(

    • @harrietjameson
      @harrietjameson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +207

      but at least we didnt loose all of it, imagine how much talented people lost all their work to time

    • @kinyacat5919
      @kinyacat5919 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      wait, how did people know it's 10% of it?

    • @cleetus_
      @cleetus_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kinyacat5919 ☠️☠️

    • @meischrisv
      @meischrisv ปีที่แล้ว

      I u

    • @BlueSmoke216
      @BlueSmoke216 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      @@kinyacat5919 Looking at Wikipedia, there's evidence of how much of her work was originally recorded - at least eight books worth. Testimonies from ancient authors.

  • @shainashresth2941
    @shainashresth2941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3726

    People should not always associate “ancient” with “underdevelopment”. There are different periods in history, which saw different developments in different fields. Keep in mind that we too are “ancient” for people who will come to earth in the future.

    • @InMaTeofDeath
      @InMaTeofDeath 2 ปีที่แล้ว +135

      It's not really untrue though, we are underdeveloped if we compare ourselves to our future just as our past was to us. That doesn't make them any less great or intelligent. Just means they lacked the same advancements. Really the problem is associating underdeveloped people with stupidity or incompetence.

    • @ximec.r.2643
      @ximec.r.2643 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Ancient describes it perfectly, as in a long time ago.

    • @ornessarhithfaeron3576
      @ornessarhithfaeron3576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      @@InMaTeofDeath Several ancient cultures are far more advanced than most of us imagine. For example I recall how close the Greeks had come to inventing technology that we wouldn't actually (re?) invent until the final centuries of the previous millennium.

    • @shainashresth2941
      @shainashresth2941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      @@ornessarhithfaeron3576 Also the Harappa/Indus Valley Civilisation
      They had an immensely successful drainage system- more successful than what modern countries today have

    • @kellydalstok8900
      @kellydalstok8900 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@ornessarhithfaeron3576 Blame christianity

  • @MarkArandjus
    @MarkArandjus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3195

    "And then a bunch of theocratic prudes who hated fun came along"
    Every damn time, eh.

    • @josephmariani9945
      @josephmariani9945 2 ปีที่แล้ว +170

      I think its important to remember just how much of Sappho’s work was lost due to her poems just not being recorded. She wrote in the Aolic dialect of Greek which became much less known after Alexander the Great standardized Greek into the Koine This led to many scholars one or two generations after her death simply not knowing how to read and record her work, causing them to slowly fade with time. So by the time the Roman Catholic Church even came along there was very little even around. Of course all of the writers who plugged in their own canons and stories about Sappho’s life were certainly the worst.

    • @MarkArandjus
      @MarkArandjus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@josephmariani9945 👍

    • @linhhoang1363
      @linhhoang1363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@josephmariani9945 sad story indeed

    • @fiatlux4058
      @fiatlux4058 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Crusades remember. Church was antichrist all the time

    • @thecorlorlesspig1993
      @thecorlorlesspig1993 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I would like but it's 666

  • @sohamacharya171
    @sohamacharya171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1394

    I screamed "No!" at my computer for three seconds when I heard that 10000 of her verses were in the Library of Alexandria.

    • @bruhseriously9297
      @bruhseriously9297 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      mood

    • @michaelvstemerman
      @michaelvstemerman ปีที่แล้ว +138

      @chu Harry The Library of Alexandria was famously (partially) destroyed due to Julius Caesar's rushed evacuation of the city during his civil war. (Most of the building still survived, but given that fire tends to destroy flammable things, even in the sections of the building that survived, most of the works were consumed by the fire)

    • @Runix1
      @Runix1 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@michaelvstemerman The fire is mostly overblown. Depressingly, time and neglect did much more damage. She also wrote in a rather obscure dialect, which didn't help.

    • @michaelvstemerman
      @michaelvstemerman ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@Runix1 I've heard that, but from my limited understanding, the library was simply not seen as valuable enough to rebuild, especially after such a costly civil war. In retrospect, of course more could have been done to preserve it, but by that point, it was a relic of a bygone era. The same way we don't spend public money recreating Roman architecture that was destroyed long ago, they felt the same way about the library. "Who cares, it was cool while it lasted, but couldn't we put something more useful there instead now that it's gone, like a port?" It truly is depressing the extent of the lack of care though, as even at the time, the works in the library were studied by scholars across the Republic/Empire (It depends on how you define the start date of the Empire or end date of the Republic). I'd imagine if her works were transcribed into Latin before the fire, much more would have survived.

    • @slvt4legion498
      @slvt4legion498 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      me when i lie for views

  • @goodgirl140
    @goodgirl140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2222

    It’s always so heartbreaking to hear when amazing pieces from history are destroyed 😥

    • @Ratigan2
      @Ratigan2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      So much knowledge lost to ignorance...

    • @nathanwright5543
      @nathanwright5543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      and it usually always done by religious leaders

    • @trisha8066
      @trisha8066 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      And most of the time it's always womens work. That's the very agriviating part.

    • @hahayuck2169
      @hahayuck2169 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      If only we can time travel :/

    • @kuromistan645
      @kuromistan645 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      :( makes my heart cry

  • @Nicks721
    @Nicks721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3038

    Sappho is one of the greatest lyrical poets ever. Her poems, especially in the original with her beautiful vocabulary and placing of the words,are amazing!!!

    • @Nicks721
      @Nicks721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @Lorenzo Panza yes, I am Greek and I study classics

    • @mochiii-.
      @mochiii-. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Γτ δεν την εχουμε μαθει στο δημοτικο🥺💞

    • @devinsmith4790
      @devinsmith4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nicks721
      Lucky you.

  • @odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347
    @odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1369

    Where Boys cried: Avengers Infinity War
    Where Men cried: Wall E
    Where Historians, Writers, Archeologists, Intellects, and Authors cried: Burning of Ancient Literature

    • @19andshy
      @19andshy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      and i cried on this comment...it's so true.😭

    • @naira8315
      @naira8315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      and readers.

    • @dreamcanvas5321
      @dreamcanvas5321 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      "And then we'll make the whole theater cry when the cockroach is crushed!"
      "Brilliant! MWHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!"

    • @cristian-bull
      @cristian-bull ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Infuriating. Reason #169 to not like religions.

    • @justintime3656
      @justintime3656 ปีที่แล้ว

      its just so sad

  • @mishkasooful4318
    @mishkasooful4318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1865

    'Thought to have married a man' is a bit of a joke because the man she is thought to have married was named 'Kerkylas of Andros'.
    Kerkylas wasn't really a name in Greek times, and it is similar to the word 'kerkos', which refers to a man's... ahem.
    Andros, besides being one of the Greek Islands, is also a word for 'man' in Greek.
    So her 'husband's name literally translates to '*ahem* of man', which is clearly a cheeky joke, and why some scholars believe she was never married. :)

    • @bshuynhthienphuc
      @bshuynhthienphuc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      ...My FRIEND'S name means man! (Việt Nam)

    • @Baby1234Blue
      @Baby1234Blue 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      What about the name "Hercules" then? Does it also have something to do with... :D It sounds kinda similar.

    • @mikamaybenerdy
      @mikamaybenerdy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      really named her "husband" P***s McMale

    • @zekia7595
      @zekia7595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@Baby1234Blue Hercules is not Greek, it's Roman. His Greek name is Heracles Funny enough his name has nothing to do with d*cks and everything to do with the goddess Hera.

    • @kahinaoftheelements4845
      @kahinaoftheelements4845 2 ปีที่แล้ว +136

      @@Baby1234Blue Hercules or Heracles, translating to "Ηρακλης" is coming from the words Hera( Ήρα=Goddess) Cles(κλεος=glory) so basically the Glory of Hera

  • @weirdbookshelf49
    @weirdbookshelf49 2 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    There was a poem about literally shaking and sweating at the sight of how pretty someone was
    Very platonic indeed just sappho and her friend suuuuurrreee

  • @joermnyc
    @joermnyc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1138

    Can’t remember the comedian who said this, but they were of Greek heritage and their grandmother came from Lesbos. They asked grandma, “what do they call people from Athens? Athenians. What about (they went through a few places with similar results). Then they asked, “what do they call people from Lesbos grandma? Les….Greeks.

    • @zwhsantwnopoylos5972
      @zwhsantwnopoylos5972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      What it your point? Can't tell if it's a joke or you have a point.

    • @TheFuriousBrother
      @TheFuriousBrother 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@zwhsantwnopoylos5972 looks like it's just an anecdote to me

    • @aditisk99
      @aditisk99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@zwhsantwnopoylos5972 Uhhh Leabians?

    • @zwhsantwnopoylos5972
      @zwhsantwnopoylos5972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@aditisk99 yeah we use that jokingly

    • @abcdtemp
      @abcdtemp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lesbosians?

  • @angelodiavolo3915
    @angelodiavolo3915 2 ปีที่แล้ว +553

    Italian most famous poet, Leopardi, Wrote "the Last Lyrics of Saffo" about her death. It is a romantic version of her suiciding over the abandon by her beloved. Loved that poem a lot

    • @angelodiavolo3915
      @angelodiavolo3915 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Lorenzo Panza se la giocano in Italia

    • @devinsmith4790
      @devinsmith4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Lorenzo Panza
      I mean he's famous outside his native Italy.

    • @devinsmith4790
      @devinsmith4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Lorenzo Panza
      I've read neither so I can't say who is better, though Dante is more famous.

    • @angelodiavolo3915
      @angelodiavolo3915 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dante è più famoso all'estero (e anche in Italia) per l'importanza della Commedia. Ma 9 persone su 10 che hanno letto Leopardi lo preferiscono a Dante. È semplicemente più moderno. Poi Dante si studia di più ma fino al secolo scorso Leopardi aveva tutta un'altra importanza nei licei

    • @angelodiavolo3915
      @angelodiavolo3915 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Lorenzo Panza no ma ti parlo in generale: leopardi è più moderno. La preferenza personale è un conto, ma oggettivamente leopardi è più vicino a noi di Dante (non dico cronologicamente eh). Secondo me poi si studia anche parecchio male e la si butta solo sul pessimismo e solite cose. Ma di Leopardi starebbe da leggere il mondo, ciò che pensa sull' Italia, sulla bellezza fisica, sulla ipocrisia... Dante è molto più antico per certi aspetti, molte delle cose più anacronistiche semplicemente a scuola non si studiano, ma dovendo leggere il pensiero di un intellettuale e politico del '200 molte cose sarebbero del tutto nuove per gli studenti ( sarà che seguo troppo Barbero, ma penso che abbia ragione, Dante a scuola non lo si studia per niente come uomo medioevale, ti sembra quasi un contemporaneo perché lo studi dal 3o al 5o anno, al fianco di Boccacio Petrarca ma anche di Montale e Pirandello). Leopardi invece ti parla in italiano in primis, e soprattutto di tematiche molto più novecentesche: l'amore vero e non ideale, la realtà esistenziale e l'inutilità dell'uomo... sono tutte cose che la filosofia di oggi ha ripreso. Però la si butta sempre in caciara sul pessimismo e invece il suo pensiero è complessissimo e cambia molto in 30 anni

  • @mbbbits4847
    @mbbbits4847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +920

    As a Greek I am so happy to see one of the most interesting figures of our cultural sphere have a video of her own and a beautiful one at that. Ευχαριστώ πολύ!

    • @nragen
      @nragen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Γειά φίλε!

    • @Nicks721
      @Nicks721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nragen γεια σου κι εσένα μπάρμπα

    • @Thermopylae66
      @Thermopylae66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Γεια σε όλους!

    • @karapapaxatzidimitrakopoulos
      @karapapaxatzidimitrakopoulos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@nragen γεια σου απο Ελλάδα, φιλε στην Κύπρο!

    • @mbbbits4847
      @mbbbits4847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Γειά σε όλους!

  • @corslibrary
    @corslibrary 2 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    "No you guys dont get it, they were friends, uh because uh, well, by saying she quenched her thirst on the bed uh **sweats intensely** she meant uh she drank juice at a sleepover, thats uh thats all"

    • @thuthaopham2404
      @thuthaopham2404 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @sahaanat4619
      @sahaanat4619 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      *sweats even more agressively * um yes just juice

    • @r1v3r74
      @r1v3r74 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      At least try to make it more poetic than juice 😭 lol

  • @biswasbudhathoki8144
    @biswasbudhathoki8144 2 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    Instead of "someone in another time", a lot of people are remembering Sappho's work in every time there is.

  • @meemeleem
    @meemeleem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    4:25 that is literally the straightest explanation i’ve ever heard, why can nobody just agree that she liked women and leave it at that

    • @40watt53
      @40watt53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the church

  • @nragen
    @nragen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +368

    Even though I'm Greek (but my nationality is Cypriot) I didn't get taught about ancient Greek history or Greek literature when I was at school. It makes me happy to watch videos from Ted-Ed so I can learn more about the country's literature (and generally many countries literature)

    • @user-yj4qz5lo6k
      @user-yj4qz5lo6k 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why where do you live

    • @nragen
      @nragen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@user-yj4qz5lo6k cyprus, it is my nationality

    • @mikloscsuvar6097
      @mikloscsuvar6097 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In Hungary, at least 20 years ago, Sappho was part of the mandatory high school curriculum.

    • @gabrielgarcia7554
      @gabrielgarcia7554 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh wow that’s crazy, I live in the US and even we had some exposure to Ancient Greek literature in the public schools. You didn’t even read the Iliad or the Odyssey?

    • @nragen
      @nragen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gabrielgarcia7554 Well, I only read a single extract from the Odyssey at some point in middle school but other than that not that I remember...

  • @h-i-i-i
    @h-i-i-i 2 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    Finally, someone who actually admits that sappho's poems are about love, not friendship.

  • @korliyon2283
    @korliyon2283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Sappho: "I say someone in another time will remember us."
    Christianity: "I'm about to ruin this woman's whole career."

    • @russergee49
      @russergee49 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Interestingly, TED-ed got this part kind of wrong - there were a couple of claims in the renaissance period that Christianity was to blame, but these claims don’t seem to be backed up by any real evidence. It’s far more likely that, because no one could understand her dialect, her works kind of faded in popularity and no one maintained them because they couldn’t understand them.

  • @ennist5619
    @ennist5619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    The fact that I have learnt about Sappho in school in a country like Albania really impresses me.We have studied some of her poems and also a legend that a man artist loved her but he got refused because she dedicated herself to teaching the girls.

    • @AF-ge4pe
      @AF-ge4pe หลายเดือนก่อน

      The fact that we in Greece have not one mention of her in schools...

  • @gf4453
    @gf4453 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    This has got to be one of the most beautiful Ted Ed videos. Not only regarding its content, but also because of the delicate and exquisite animation. Would love to see more by this artist.

  • @overcookedwater1947
    @overcookedwater1947 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    1:58 ohhh. Now the "I thought you were American" kid's statement made even more sense

    • @overcookedwater1947
      @overcookedwater1947 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wat?

    • @overcookedwater1947
      @overcookedwater1947 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm sure you got the wrong comment. Nice copy paste tho

    • @StomachAcid
      @StomachAcid ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@overcookedwater1947 Wait, but it looks like all the comments are from you.

  • @abhiroopdas3232
    @abhiroopdas3232 2 ปีที่แล้ว +311

    If in some far off future Time Travel to the past becomes a reality, humanity ought to make the Library of Alexandria its first mission.

    • @Napoleonic_S
      @Napoleonic_S 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The power to destroy causality has far more implications than that. Not sure if reality allows that.

    • @abbadons8476
      @abbadons8476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Napoleonic_S Just make sure you don't run into anyone who doesn't die, then steal all the literature and bring it with you to the future. Paradoxes avoided :)

    • @40watt53
      @40watt53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That'd create a Grandfather Paradox situation.

    • @abbadons8476
      @abbadons8476 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@40watt53 How?

    • @KRISHNA-si1tx
      @KRISHNA-si1tx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Damn true!!!

  • @griffithfrancis7004
    @griffithfrancis7004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    Please do a piece on Canada's Residential Schools. I think your level headed and well educated/researched approach would really help spread the knowledge and help people understand this dark and recent piece of Canadian history

    • @rckflmg94
      @rckflmg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      in their typically Leftist and biased fashion.

    • @JunoCat1890
      @JunoCat1890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hey!
      You mean what they did to native children in the past?

    • @keribere244
      @keribere244 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JunoCat1890 yes, taking indigenous children from their families to residential schools to “christianize” them, literally an attempt to take away their culture.

    • @keribere244
      @keribere244 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@importantstuf8870 indigenous elder’s experiences as well as written history has no evidence?

    • @importantstuf8870
      @importantstuf8870 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@keribere244 the children really were taken from them and forced into schools, that's true and its horrible, but the whole mass graves thing is a hoax

  • @iamtrying3094
    @iamtrying3094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    History has always been cruel to those who have dared to dream…

  • @hannigraham5831
    @hannigraham5831 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    If i could time travel i would definitely go and meet her.

    • @peace-ur6ns
      @peace-ur6ns 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ✨th-cam.com/video/G1xzbRDSAaU/w-d-xo.html🌿🌹🌿

    • @frontandcenter7941
      @frontandcenter7941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And when I meet her I'm gonna beatbox so she can rhyme on it.

    • @willfakaroni5808
      @willfakaroni5808 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Never meet your heroes

    • @Anniebellsupremacy
      @Anniebellsupremacy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@willfakaroni5808cause they will disappoint you?

    • @emi_is_here.
      @emi_is_here. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@willfakaroni5808cause they’ll disappoint you 😔
      But she could never disappoint us

  • @finnorir5709
    @finnorir5709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    I love Sappho so much her poems are so beautiful

  • @jessieplexer
    @jessieplexer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    It's sad to see that only fragments of her poetry still survive

  • @StarCrusher.
    @StarCrusher. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Strange to think that 2000 years ago people were more progressive and tolerant than now in some regards.

    • @user-op4mc1cu3o
      @user-op4mc1cu3o 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      abrahamic religions are a disease

    • @boondocks8002
      @boondocks8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-op4mc1cu3o explain pkease

    • @chickenwarriorr
      @chickenwarriorr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@user-op4mc1cu3o actually the spread of Christianity and the chrstionaisation of countries wiped out several cultures as well

    • @user-op4mc1cu3o
      @user-op4mc1cu3o 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@chickenwarriorr im from the philippines and you are speaking FACTS. pre-colonial philippines was much more progressive when it comes to equality

    • @chickenwarriorr
      @chickenwarriorr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@user-op4mc1cu3o As one of these comments said Thanks Christianity! For the destruction of cultures...

  • @furanrabbits
    @furanrabbits 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Because nothing says platonic more than the line “you quenched your desires in my bed” 🙄

  • @Jobe-13
    @Jobe-13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Sappho was very close friends with her students.

    • @cramerfloro5936
      @cramerfloro5936 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      VERY close

    • @eliasfilipe1106
      @eliasfilipe1106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It reminds me a certain french philosopher

    • @erlinacobrado7947
      @erlinacobrado7947 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@eliasfilipe1106 Spreading STDs with his students...

    • @tapwater8357
      @tapwater8357 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@erlinacobrado7947 wha

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cramerfloro5936 Well, the ancient Athenians were very open to that sort of thing

  • @augenblick9925
    @augenblick9925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +198

    That unique artwork/the characters. Ted-Ed has and will always be ahead in this. Love and Appreciate your hard work! Well done again.

  • @spiderliliez
    @spiderliliez 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This is beautiful. Thank you Ted Ed!
    Breaks my heart so many of her works are lost forever.

  • @VallisYT
    @VallisYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Contemplating the lives of people so far detached from our contemporary world who still dealt with much the same questions and emotional problems as we do is truly humbling, for it sets or own life and problems into perspective.

  • @thaliagrace6631
    @thaliagrace6631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Sappho will be remembered, and I hope more people know of the positive and unwavering effect she has on homosexuality today..

  • @ent7337
    @ent7337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love how the mood of the animation matches the topic.

  • @CrisSelene
    @CrisSelene 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    It breaks my heart how destructive religious dogma can be. We lost so much human cultural products because this or that religious leader decided it did not align with their beliefs (I'm not referring only to Christianity here)

    • @ehhdt.3909
      @ehhdt.3909 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yup my country's culture was very different before colonization.

    • @OraProduction
      @OraProduction ปีที่แล้ว

      My religion (I think, I’m not too sure) is very ancient so I’m lucky to hear stuff from them

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      @antman477a ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    • @RB-xj9kr
      @RB-xj9kr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why on Christianity? All religions are destructive

  • @deadlycucumber9020
    @deadlycucumber9020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    there are two types of historical videos.
    1) then the pope came along and destroyed everything
    2) then the *insert european country* colonials came along and destroyed everything

    • @MutantMonke
      @MutantMonke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There exist many others. Wonder why you only noticed these.

    • @fum4491
      @fum4491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You sure are a person who is very interested in history. Maybe read or do some reaserch yourself sometime instead of watching two videos and closing the subject.

    • @mercerholt8299
      @mercerholt8299 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or insert Marxists government that destroyed anything that conflicted with their world veiw.

    • @ScorpionClaws789
      @ScorpionClaws789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@mercerholt8299 yes, all of those Marxist governments. The ones that followed Marx's ideas. Y'know. Those ideas that. Fundementally require no government. All of those ones.

    • @mercerholt8299
      @mercerholt8299 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ScorpionClaws789 Well Marx basically calls for the anhilation of anything that doesn't fit his dream of a "utopia" so anything that conflicts with that must be removed. So if you question the state toy must be removed. Marxism invariably leads to tyranny because as long as there are people there will be sociopaths who take advantage of the system to play God. Marxs system is flawed to begin either and the ideals are used by tyrants to get in and stay in power. He called religion the opiate of the masses, but created the world's worst cult by doing so.

  • @samuelhoffmann162
    @samuelhoffmann162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Awesome video. I love ancient history, typically leaning about life back then and individuals, however unique or ordinary seeming. Can't wait to watch similar videos from you in the future!

  • @phoenixdai3878
    @phoenixdai3878 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Ted-Ed should have more videos about the LGBT people from history. This is beautiful ❤

  • @treefarm3288
    @treefarm3288 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good video. Interesting to hear more about Sappho. I read her a little in Greek 4 and my male teacher certainly didn't criticise her, but I had forgotten how early she was. As you suggest, hopefully more of her work will appear. Thanks.

  • @tunasandwich1135
    @tunasandwich1135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Truly an icon, her poetry is beautiful, even though we only have fragments of it.

  • @KonSimpl72
    @KonSimpl72 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The artistry in this video is almost too good for youtube. Bravo!

  • @chuubaccatheworld9075
    @chuubaccatheworld9075 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    seeing the title before the thumbnail, sappho on my mind already

  • @favb7931
    @favb7931 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    To become complete in the future, we must thoroughly grasp our past to preserve our presentness.

  • @jacksrandomadventures2769
    @jacksrandomadventures2769 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    imagine how frustrating it would be to have all that work of hers on scrolls but unable to open them..

  • @aayushilalita7788
    @aayushilalita7788 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Why don't we study about sappho .. in English literature???

  • @kathaboral3197
    @kathaboral3197 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    is it because of sappho that the word "sapphic" came to origin?

    • @mogenoof
      @mogenoof ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i think so

    • @titichartay7216
      @titichartay7216 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes that is the origin 😊

  • @pumpkinclouds3049
    @pumpkinclouds3049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The wisest people understand the degradation of time and come to embrace it and Sappho was one of them

  • @rgarlinyc
    @rgarlinyc 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Indee, "thankfully we do: (remember Sappho. This is a beautiful remembrance of Sappho, crafted with superlative words, voice, and elegant decoration!

  • @fableagain
    @fableagain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The animation in this episode is especially beautiful. I'm glad.

  • @ratuangsa3314
    @ratuangsa3314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i never heard about sappho until now, thank you!

  • @visasv.429
    @visasv.429 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is unrelated but I really love the background music and vocals for this, I wish there was an OST available for it

  • @canlyhansen1588
    @canlyhansen1588 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this video is like a poetry itself. soothing and poetry-ish.

  • @yumibro8121
    @yumibro8121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Me at the beginning of the video: “She wrote erotic poems and was from a place called ‘Lesbos’? If those poems were secretly about women that would be one heck of a coincidence, wouldn’t it?”

  • @simonsuarez5314
    @simonsuarez5314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hooray for Sappho! I got to read fragments of her work in translation in my Ancient Literature class last school year.

  • @luisandrade2254
    @luisandrade2254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It’s really sad how much of ancient knowledge we lost

  • @twinkletwinklefallingstar3399
    @twinkletwinklefallingstar3399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    FINALLY, A VIDEO ON SAPPHO😭💜💜
    My god, the animation is stunning. Wonderful job Ted-Ed!!

  • @MrsJudithWright
    @MrsJudithWright 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Beautiful, interesting and valuable. Great writing. The animation works so well at creating a time and place, customs and sounds. Well done TED-Ed.

  • @tasnime_88
    @tasnime_88 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Someone in another time will remember us" Sappho

  • @Cheddrrr
    @Cheddrrr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    i’ve been looking forward to a new video for the longest time

    • @leviathan5095
      @leviathan5095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it’s been 2 days boy

  • @cta524
    @cta524 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "What is remembered lives." - Pagan saying. Thank you for helping us remember these ancient truths. Long live Sappho!

  • @zylen3167
    @zylen3167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had to learn some poems by heart at school :D
    and analysis of the text ... :)

  • @stressedflipflop
    @stressedflipflop หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sappho's words were so timeless she even wrote about us and those after us. We are the someone in another time that will remember. And I shall remember in this life and the next.

  • @sammytech9464
    @sammytech9464 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Illustrations were awesome!

  • @Darsh.r.m_20
    @Darsh.r.m_20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Historians: What amazing friends!

  • @devinsmith4790
    @devinsmith4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Good video, but the reason little of Sappho's poetry survives to the present isn't because early Christians considered her work to be blasphemous. The real reason is because the dialect of Greek she wrote in was considered archaic and hard to read in later periods of antiquity. The myth that her works were destroyed by early Christians dates only far back to humanist scholars of renaissance Italy.

    • @stolenshortsword
      @stolenshortsword 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      sources please?

    • @gchatz6480
      @gchatz6480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Because christian zealots NEVER destroyed whatever did not fit their agenta, right? Dark ages is just a fairytale after all ;)

    • @devinsmith4790
      @devinsmith4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@gchatz6480
      Pretty much. The only works early Christians destroyed were simple magic texts, texts from Christians they considered heretical, and anti-Christians tracts by pagan writers, most early church fathers (aside from Tertullian) were pretty much fans of the classics the works of philosophy. Indeed the reason many works from antiquity survives to the present is thanks to Christian scribes and copyist transmitting them throught the medieval period.
      Also, the idea of calling the Middle Ages the "Dark Ages" is pretty much an outdated term no longer used by historians. While the middle ages were far from idyllic, it's far from stereotypically backwards society as it's portrayed in pop culture.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@devinsmith4790 The Dark Ages only refers to some but not all of the Middle Ages.

    • @4evarwithU
      @4evarwithU 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for sharing this info.

  • @fariashabnam5047
    @fariashabnam5047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i just learned about her but i think she's one of my most favourite people ever

  • @christosgeorgiafentis4825
    @christosgeorgiafentis4825 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's too bad Sapho didn't have the internet back then. You know what they say; what goes on the internet, stays on the internet.

  • @pocolocoxi
    @pocolocoxi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    and 2000 years later I am watching this video about Sappho...
    May all the Sapphos of today's on this land write their voice of hearts once again...

  • @xelal7898
    @xelal7898 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The most disturbing thing about being Greek is hearing all the wrong accentuation when you re trying to translate Greek names.
    Her name was Sapfό - Σαπφώ NOT Sάpfo!!
    But that video was amazing and totally true.
    Thank you for your time! Ευχαριστούμε για τον χρόνο σας!

    • @RB-xj9kr
      @RB-xj9kr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most people don’t know about accents.

  • @actonechick
    @actonechick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This was so much gayer than I expected it to be and I am elated by that

  • @matheusroberto3259
    @matheusroberto3259 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Her name is the reason of relationship between women that like women are Sapphic relationship

  • @lotusgal313
    @lotusgal313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    She was almost immortalized as Wonder Woman’s catchphrase. “Suffering Sappho!!”

  • @lifeonmars3147
    @lifeonmars3147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I knew about Sappho, but I didn't _know_ about her. Here to learn part of my communities history, because I feel like not enough lgbt+ people do these days.

    • @SamuelSamuelSamuel1
      @SamuelSamuelSamuel1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nah Fr. LGBT history is cool!
      Sappho, (for the girl kissers)
      Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum (for the male enjoyer’s)
      And Michael Dillon
      (For the Shape shifters) 💀

    • @miguelpadeiro762
      @miguelpadeiro762 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SamuelSamuelSamuel1 The shape shifters what

    • @SamuelSamuelSamuel1
      @SamuelSamuelSamuel1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@miguelpadeiro762 it’s a joke about trans people 💀

    • @miguelpadeiro762
      @miguelpadeiro762 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SamuelSamuelSamuel1 Do they turn into cylinders or parallelepipeds?🤔

    • @Ieatchildren1881
      @Ieatchildren1881 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SamuelSamuelSamuel1 Gilgamesh?

  • @keeboikeeboi7168
    @keeboikeeboi7168 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the background music

  • @kirbymarchbarcena
    @kirbymarchbarcena 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sappho's lyrics have more sense and subtlety than what I've been hearing in today's music.

  • @abhikbhaduri7252
    @abhikbhaduri7252 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just finished reading her poems in last semester

  • @sidritvejseli704
    @sidritvejseli704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We just talked about sapho today in literature class

  • @366jayapandey7
    @366jayapandey7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I don't know why always entire world is like this so cruel.

    • @antman477a
      @antman477a ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

  • @skulletzv
    @skulletzv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pretty sure there's a side quest in AC Odyssey related to the Sappho poem. It was a good reference

  • @cazzoneso2456
    @cazzoneso2456 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video is super educating and accurate. However, Sappho's works were kind of well known already in the nineteenth century (in the video it is said that she was rediscovered about a century ago). One of Italian most famous writers, Ugo Foscolo, actually mentions her in his most notorious work, "Le ultime lettere di Iacopo Ortis" ('Iacopo Ortis' last letters'), published in 1802, in order to heighten the protagonist's feelings towards his beloved.

  • @sheikhfariahossain8825
    @sheikhfariahossain8825 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I could know which music is used in this video. So beautiful ❤️

  • @emmavrijburg6676
    @emmavrijburg6676 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So.. is she on Spotify?

  • @serpentmaster1323
    @serpentmaster1323 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    3:48 breaking news in the reading fragile scrolles department! A word of a scroll from Herculaneum (recovered from the ashes of vesuvius !) Has just been read using a CT x ray scanned image put through an AI algorithm. The Greek word 'purple' has been deciphered. We may be able to recover more of the scrolls soon.

  • @eto7194
    @eto7194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Lets take a moment to appreciate this amazing piece of animation

  • @RascalOutdoors
    @RascalOutdoors 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the video ❤️

  • @deepakkumarmishra583
    @deepakkumarmishra583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mind blowing explanation

  • @rinbabyrinlover2283
    @rinbabyrinlover2283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ohhh I wish this video came out 2 weeks ago :( I have a seminar on love/eros and we just discussed one of her works! Incredible poetry and I wish there was more to read..

  • @HonaMalta
    @HonaMalta หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a beautiful work.

  • @Ratteni
    @Ratteni 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wish I could read Sapho's poetry 😔

  • @kyawoue
    @kyawoue ปีที่แล้ว +2

    DOES ANYONE KNOW THE NAMES OF THE MUSIC PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND?? ITS SO LOVELYLYYYY

  • @extraordinarybee
    @extraordinarybee ปีที่แล้ว +9

    SO THE WORD SAPPHIC WAS ORIGINATED FROM SAPPHO??

  • @mukulikaadhikary7484
    @mukulikaadhikary7484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a wonderful story

  • @zaggodofblood7537
    @zaggodofblood7537 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sappho and her friend were roomates and nothing more/j

  • @evangelia_vita3364
    @evangelia_vita3364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    as i person living in lesvos i am really sad me and others we are not knowing all this stuff this is si intresting

  • @Dougiewoof
    @Dougiewoof ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Her name is also where we derive the word sapphic

  • @caifancabr0n699
    @caifancabr0n699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    anybody know the name of the song in the beginning?