Is this ‘McOverrated’ hot take the most ridiculous take ever?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Jay Onrait was joined by TSN Hockey analyst Mike Johnson to get his thoughts on the ‘McOverrated’ hot take, whether Connor McDavid vs. Gustav Forsling is the most intriguing matchup in the Stanley Cup Final, if Evan Bouchard has a realistic chance at the Conn Smythe, whether the Oilers blueline can handle the Panthers depth, and much more.
McDavid is 100 percent the most talented player in the game. He is generational. He does need to win the cup to be considered legendary.
Agreed, but Connor himself probably wouldn't accept it.
@Julia_Hammelsbe quiet female
@Julia_Hammels one player, even Gretzky in his prime, couldn't win a Stanley Cup on his own. There is no "I" in team.
On an individual basis, he is clearly the best player today. And like dynamic duos, Mario - Jagr, Crosby - Malkin, the odds do go up (McDavid and Leon), eventually will make your argument mute.
@Julia_HammelsLol wut
@Julia_Hammels Did you like your own comment?
McDavid is a generational talent. But he can’t do it alone. It’s team that win games and the series.
This is exactly what people said about Dallas, the depth, the physicality...
Dallas does not play D nowhere near like the Panthers play. Panthers all day!
panthers stick to one style. they arent a rush team. they dont do anything outside of who they are. and have arguably the best goalie in the world minus Igor.
@@Jimmyfly215 You never watched the Panthers. One of the things that make Panthers good is that they can play EVERY style. They CAN be a rush team, in fact, they have one of the fastest transition games in the league
@eberkovich that's entirely not true. They are not a rush team, numbers prove that.. And they can play any style, but they bully teams to their style. Get your eyes checked, and maybe your brain
@@eberkovich Absolutely I think these folks out there in Oil land need to check the tape. Florida just does not play to one style of system. They can beat you multiple ways.
I want to see the Oil go from tied for Last to the Stanley Cup Champs..
Not happening.. Not this year
@@gperezniners4949where’d you get your crystal ball?🔮
@@Bill-Shakespeare No crystal ball. Just what I see
@@gperezniners4949 why not?
@gperezniners4949 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm guessing your 1 of those right wing Muricans eh....fkn tool
It's unbelievable how difficult it is for people to understand that one player, no matter who they are, can't win a cup. It takes 20 guys playing at the height of their abilities, it takes the coaching staff making the right calls and right moves, and even when everything is going perfect, you still have to beat four other teams who are after the very same thing. Cup wins, much like Olympic medals, have so little to do with any one player that they shouldn't even be considered personal accomplishments.
Click bait and it gets circulated by other media outlets.
It's great locker room material for McDavid though. Not that McDavid wouldn't perform his best anyways, this nobody "journalist" may have poked the bear and accomplish the complete opposite of what he was intending to do, with the added bonus of being known as complete tool for the rest of his career,
"Hockey is a team sport" is the first thing people need to know before they open their mouths.
Exactly an no one plays better team hockey than the Panthers do
@@gperezniners4949 I don't know, seems like the Knights beat them at it last year, and we'll see what happens this year.
@@Marixa1979 Last year was last year.
Different team this year. More seasoned
@@gperezniners4949 Yeah, that applies to both teams.
@@gperezniners4949 You're saying something different than "Mc overrated."
Confused with 34
On the golf course, Yes!
Reminds me of the silly 34 counts of silly kangaroo court felonies assigned to Trump lol
@@gunman462 Reminds me of solid actual felony counts and Trump being a convicted felon. Cope
@eberkovich keep your ridiculous American politics away from hockey
@@tomwilson3969 He was replying to the dude who brought politics into the convo. Go have a word with him instead
Ovechkin didn't win the cup until his thirteenth season, and I don't remember people saying he was overrated. I actually do think he was overrated, but not because of that.
Mcdavid is a god, this guy is highlight real every game, 8 minute highlight real, the guy is literally 6 minutes of it, every game his line produces, every single game.
It’s not every game he’s was shotless in a game vs the Canucks and pointless at times but he usually responds with a huge game after a bad night
bro are u being real or are you nit picking words, obviously everyone has a game with no points, the guy is a highlight real every fucking week bro, this guy is literally always clean and everything is perfect.
The only people that consider McD overrated are fans of teams where McD doesn’t play
@Julia_Hammels so you don’t actually watch the oilers then do you?
@Julia_Hammels Right. Cups are totally individual awards. McOverrated can’t even put on goalie pads and tend the goal. Is he stupid? Why doesn’t he just win?
- Something people like you would say.
@@mcj44 he literally made Hyman a 50 goal man. He helped Nuge set career highs WITHOUT Leon being on the line. He literally makes any player who plays with him better. Just look at Patrick Maroon for proof of that.
@Julia_Hammelsyou haven’t debunked anything,all you have done is shown your ignorance 🫡
@Julia_Hammels you're a clown
He’s from Florida, obviously he knows nothing about sports, let alone hockey. Miami is probably the worst sports town in North America. Their baseball team is a perpetual joke, they did manage to win a World Series and couldn’t give away tickets. Their football team has finally managed to put together a halfway decent team, and they play in front of empty seats. Their basketball team when they were in the finals, with lebron James on the team couldn’t sell out the barn in the finals. The hockey team survive because of all the ex pat Canadians who live there, and they have some of the cheapest tickets in the league.
Panthers have had 63 consecutive sell-outs. Miami Heat have basically sold out every game for the last 5-6 years. Here you are talking of someone's ignorance yet you spout even more ignorance on your own.
Talk about Forsling's defensive prowess, show highlights of him scoring. :D
McDavid is the best player in the game and hopefully the Oilers beat the Panthers to win the cup so the haters can never say that McDavid should not be considered one of the greatest to play since he never won the cup
If I'm Kane...the first thing i do is grab Thachuk or Bennet or both and rag doll them like Kassian did to the turtle. Wait until Florida plays in front of real hockey fans as the sixth player...btw Edmonton is one of the bigger teams in the League
So, what you're saying is Bruins fans and Rangers fans are not real hockey fans? Sounds like you are.
Kane and Perry both proven playoffs producers and tuff it's happened twice now soon as a city starts b.s talk they hex there team Vancouver and Dallas both did this by saying disrespectful during anthems whatever you will curse your team
Well they lost both games to the Panthers this year (5-3, 5-1)
@eberkovich who said anything about Bruins or Rangers...anyway hockey is a religion in Canada...so yeah we have better more knowledgeable fans...
@@YoriSch5179 regular season means squat Vancouver rolled over Edmonton in the regular season.
Honestly nobody cares what a Miami sports writer says about mcdavid, not understanding player stats and not understanding that Gretzky won because of his team not him personally and that’s why mcdavid hasn’t won yet shows he’s a horrible sports writer.
So true. Strange numbers of people forget that Gretz had Mess, Kurri, Anderson, Huddy, Coffey, Fuhr, Tikkanen, Simpson, Lowe etc. etc. etc.
"Hockey is a team sport" is the first thing people need to know before they open their mouths.
yeah the funniest part is some clown from Miami talking about hockey.
Exactly. They worship Dan Marino but Marino could not have done it alone to win those SuperBowls.
A TH-cam commenter not understanding a sportswriter's job is not to be right, but to get people to comment on their articles 🤣
As a lifetime Florida Resident, we don’t claim Greg
I got many cups….. I don’t see anyone talking bout me?
Coffee anyone?
Cup of tea thanks! 🙃
I have three Stanley Cups...the pink one, the white one and the purple one.
I wish the Panthers team thought McDavid was overrated. 😂 Some how I don’t think they do.
As a lifetime Florida resident, we do not claim Greg his takes are astronomically absurd 99% of the time
@@premiumnapping5627 Thank you.
No it wasn’t! That fraud went into witness protection in game 6 & 7 when his team needed him most. The best player in the world is Aleksandr Barkov, LETS GO PANTHERS!!!
Also on TSN "What will it take to get McDavid going?". Checks stats....
I’m a Canucks fan and I think you would have to be absolutely oblivious to not think Connor McDavid is the best player in the world, possibly of all time skill wise.
I was the first person to use the term McOver-rated. I wouldn't call Craig Janney a superstar and by the same token I wouldn't call McDavid a superstar.
He only scored 8 goals in 25 playoff games in the recent playoffs. That's terrible.
Jay Onrait ...You Get the Show!!! 😂😂😂
Did you know there is a McDavid time-pricing painting by Joseph Charles Colin priced by time and worth a couple million bucks?
Didn’t score a point in game 6 or 7 is Greg Cote Still wrong on what he said ???
In my 40 years on Earth he is the most talented player I have seen. Lemieux and Gretzky are great, strides ahead of where McDavid is right now, but give him a cup and he inches closer to them.
Im a diehard Oilers fan since the Gretzky days and I had an Oilers sticker on each side of my car. Some leafs fan/ Oilers hater slashed one of my tires while I had it parked in the office parking lot. No other car was damaged since my car was the only one with Oilers stickers. This happened in Toronto while I was visiting
Guess really going to be pissed off in a year when mcdavid is a Toronto Maple Leaf , gonna look geat in his childhood teams Blue and White.
Hahahaha😂😂😂ok youngster.@@AK-ix6xg
Perhaps GREG should stick to sports He understand like High School sports , Senior Lawn Bowling, maybe become an expert in Rhythmic Gymnastics.... Please TSN do something about Onrait.... he is meant to be the Clown in a Circus.
More fuel for the fire that helps the Oilers win the cup! Keep doubting them it really helps!
Nothing matters unless you win the cup - sports writer for a team that has never won the cup
Oilers fan here, can we just let this go? its the opinion by one dude who rights in a newspaper and everyone's freaking out about it, including analysts for a major sports company. Yeesh.
They need stuff to talk about for a week before the final.
They don’t have anything else to talk about.
@@WizardsAndDragons Bruh u should low key be happy about this!! This... plus Him getting hugged by a Grown Man...in front of his Wife... is about to make Him go Super Saiyan fo real!! The ice is literally the only place he can take out that "Aggression" Cats are cooked!!
It's literally a clickbait article from someone in Miami... Not exactly hockey Mecca. Oilers fans should absolutely let this go because it's a bad look if they don't.
I'm pretty sure that giving McDavid more reasons to tear apart Florida in the finals is a bad strategy for a Florida fan. The guy gets better when the stakes are higher.
Comparing Gretzky to McDavid purely on length of time it takes to win a cup is not fair. Gretzky played before the salary cap. It is much harder for teams now to field "dynasty" style teams and the Oilers team that Gretzky won the cup with was one of the best teams in NHL history. They actually won the cup again after Gretzky was traded. Remember that. Everyone is saying McDavid should lead his team to win the Stanley Cup but the Edmonton team was so good they proved they could win the cup without Gretzky. The current Edmonton oilers wouldn't even be in the playoffs without McDavid. Gretzky never won a cup again after he left that Edmonton team... of course, he was passed his prime then.
IMO, the only position that truly can win a cup for a whole team is goalie and Practick Roy proved that.
Make sure Connor reads this please.
Let the results in this next round speak for themselves.
100 percent the best player that ever lived, so far
That's a good one! 😂
@@chelious1973 oh why
@@chelious1973 that's what I thought
You cant be serious? 🙄 Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Orr, Howe are above him just to name a few. And he has yet to win anything. He is barely the best today let alone all time. Kuch and Mac are nipping at his heels. Kucherov espicially.
@@chelious1973 I really don't think winning a Stanley Cup is the be all end all for a players success... He's broken so many records even though it's much harder to score now... And to say he hasn't won anything is ignorant at best
Florida will be physical with the top 3 guys. Usually less penalties in the final, advantage Florida. McDavid has not proved himself yet. He is very dependent on his wingers to go to the hard spots. He is not very good defensively. Does not mean he can't do it. Goaltending usually decides. That is a big ask for Skinner and a defence prone to mistakes. Deck stacked against Edmonton.
Is Mike Johnson using a green screen in his bathroom?
You guys are just homers. McDavid is No Gretzky
Lol, How about all the other players??? lol, PK - PP more points than any panther / EX Flames player .And we all know what happens to the flames every year when contending with the Oilers.........Done in 5 !...... .. .
Oilers already lost twice to the Panthers this year , 5-3 and 5-1!
@@YoriSch5179 Oilers lost 4 times to the canucks, and 3 times to the Stars..See the similarities....
Dear god. I'm a Panthers fan but my god, way to give them poster board material 🙄
The Miami Herald 😂😂
Florida fan here, but Greg Cote is as irrelevant when it comes to hockey down here as he is in Canada. South Florida newspapers barely cover the Panthers and only started now that the team has had more success of late. Fans and locals that know anything about puck down here know how good and dangerous Mcdavid is and not overlooking a guy who more then likely will be #2 greatest to ever play. Should be a great series.
Bouchards defensive analytics crush Forsling this playoff run so far
Mcdavid IS overrated until he wins the Stanley Cup. And even then, with all the talent that Edmonton has, that they haven't been able to muster a cup yet, is an abomination. The reason why Gretzky only has four but Edmonton has five cups is because the entire team gelled around Gretzky and that core unit managed to win another one. Mcdavid has a core unit right now and yet no cup. The reason why Gretzky never got another cup is because he didn't have time to gel a team around him. The guy who wrote the article that brought me to this video doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
IF Mcdavid was playing for a American based team there would probably be no debate imo
It is absolutely ridiculous. So is Cote. And, he's fooling you all into allowing him to gobble up your clicks. That's what he does at this point. He's not a serious person.
Who’s greater? Dionne or sakic/yzerman? Dionne ahead of both in points but I can’t imagine anyone who would put him ahead of either simply because they have the rings. Hard to disagree with that take. Although I do feel mcdavid is so good his greatness is truly on another level.
I have a wild take for them
Mcdavid is underated!!!!
This is a typical (although surprising) story from someone who doesnt understand hockey is the ultimate team sport.
Why didnt ovechkin grew this kind of scrutiny for not winning a cup during his career as much as mcdavid? (Until he did win one). Was it because of social media now, because mcdavid is in canada market? Or is it because mcdavid is the best player and ovechkin was not considered the best because crosby?
Mcdavids leadership is underated. Check his defensive stats. Hit hits, his face off % , his takeaways are all higher then anyone career wise and especially this past last year when u compare his to other top players who rival mcdavid for MVP. Kuch, mackinnon etc.
Mcdavid is so underated. Dont let the constant media stats persuade you hes overated.
Mcdavid is underated imo
i dont get the Mcdavid over rated thing ...he's basically on the same pace (should the oilers win the cup) that Yzerman was when he finally won in the late 90s...and like Yzerman he had to wait for the team to get better though those Wings teams had TON more depth and better goal tending ,,,if McDavid wins this yr it will be with a team thats probably not as good overall as the Yzerman had when they won the first time in the 90s....granted Mcdavid is playing at higher level then Yzerman(with his injury problems) was by the mid /late 90s
Yeah… I think they’ll win this year…. But let’s be honest, to say the oilers only had 1 player all 9 seasons of mcdavids career, is also ridiculous. No team has had more top draft picks than Edmonton, and still couldn’t get it done until now.
soooo let me be clear. once you need 3 players on a single one, to make sure he doesn't score a goal, it is called a good player. Ask florida. they just kept him under pressure whole game in game 7 and they won the cup. The second you have to make sure a player doesn't play to hit the win, he's a good player.
Dallas’ D was as good or better than floridas. So was vans. Keep hyping it up but the Oil are gonna truck the cats in 5. Maybe no one has noticed that the Oil have become a great defensive team in the playoffs.
How long did it take Ovi to win a cup? So either he is also overrated (there is a big difference in points per season to consider between the two), or it’s a statement of individual talent against team composition.
Ovi ran into 2010 Halak. 54 shots by Caps 4-1 loss.
Ovi was never considered generational by Canadian Media. Crosby was the only one.
while i picked FLA to win the cup, greg cote is a certified pylon. i got no issue with edmonton, and mcjesus is far from overrated. if EDM can pull off the win, it would cement his legacy and certify greg cote as a a legendary cement-head. 💩
2024 entry draft final rankings?
Let the Oilers make “Greg” eat his word salad.
dudes got nearly 300 pts over his past two seasons, and hes somehow "overrated" ???? oook
Funny. Matthews has lead his team to 1 series win and everyone thinks he’s in the greatest of all time convo. Matthews couldn’t tie mcdavids skates.
I thought dallas would be a tougher battle for the oilers and it turned out that the oilers beat them physically so i think Florida is riding high cuz they are overconfident and the oilers win series 4-2. Oilers are completely different from what the panthers have played in their last 3 series.
Panthers beat the oilers 5-3 and 5-1 this year.
@@YoriSch5179 season means nothing.
Canucks and Stars both dominated the oilers in the season….look what happened. Season and Playoffs are different animals…i had the Panther’s pegged to win the cup against Dallas but not against the oilers.
Thanks to that guy from Miami. Let him unleash the beast!
That's god 'ole City vs City writing! Obvs he's trying to get under the skins of Oilers fans & players alike. It's great for the sport!
Down 0-3 in the Finals hasn’t scored a Goal….
Jerry won't let a Canadian team win the cup let the phantom calls begin, one more year and mcdavid is a Toronto Maple Leaf.
They will find out.
Mcdavid will win the cup he’s catching fire at the perfect time. The hockey gods have said it’s time for a Canadian team to win to promote hockey because the ratings have fallen.. so it’s rigged lol I seen a TH-cam add edm vs fla when the series wasn’t even over yet at 3-2 for both teams
LOL....McDavid is BETTER tan Gretz in his PRIME. This guy is soooo far ahead of his peers it isn't even debatable
He's a top 10 player for sure. But taking him over Gretzky, or Mario, or Bobby Orr.. You're smoking son.
Greg Cote knows absolutely nothing about hovkey. There is nothing else to say.
Greg who?
He was right and ya know it!
Any team would want McDavid on their team.
The player that is fkn overrated is Mathews!!!!! Best goal scorer in the world?? One of the worst playoff player ever, pain and simple.
Inexperience? Florida made the final last year and got their ass kicked. They won one game.
Great Heel move by Greg.
McDavid *IS* overrated.
That is, however, thanks to the unrealistic picture that "fans" and fans have of him, not because he isn't insanely skilled.
He's the best offensive forward, but he's also human and makes mistakes. He does get outplayed sometimes.
Everyone does.
Wait, did ppl think Cote was being serious lol?
He is a great player he has all the tools!! But but he doesn't have agreat team with him !! Old oilers great goiltender fuir great defence coffey great top 3 lines to many names to mention!!! Conners great the overall team is a lot weaker!! Its always been a team game!!!!!
Yes it’s a stupid take, consider the source and put them on blast
Calling Forsling a tough matchup for McDavid is crazy. The team defense and Bobrovsky make him look a lot better than he is. Put him on most other teams and it’s painfully evident that he’s not Nick Lidstrom, he’s barely a Hampus Lindholm. There’s a reason he was waived twice.
Everyone said Dallas would wipe the Oil also... Oilers in 6 ends the Canadian drought. Ez pz
The Most OVERRATED player in sports history and it won’t be close once he finishes his career.
The words to accurately describe how awful and unintelligent of a take that is simply don’t exist
They don't get the show
Don’t give him CLOUT!!
McD gonna send this guy to the shadow realm lol
Miami sports writers are my number one source for hockey insights.
And Floridians are NOT garbage humans.
@DB-gr7ch just like most canadian-born hockey fans aren't delusional and thin skinned lol. 😳
@@carparthero Irony, meet projection.
@@DB-gr7ch your cognitive dissonance is shining bright like the florida sun lol.
while i picked FLA to win the cup, i actually got no issue with mcjesus. it's the insanely retarded, solipsistic hockey fans here in canada. not all of them are, but enough of them.
cheers 😉
You could be the best at what you do but still be overrated.
YOU DON’T GET THE SHOW
I think that some American sports writers fail to realize that hockey is more of a team game than basketball. In Hockey the best forwards play 25 minutes a night, far less influence over the game than the stars of the NBA.
He’s just trying to get his 5 secs of fame.
I guess Alex Ovechkin was just a bum and not good, even though got close to Wayne Gretzkys all time goals. Let me check cause i thought he only won 1 Stanley Cup. I guess if the only metric you pic is Stanley Cup wins, lots could then be excluded then. Just how many Stanley Cups they and team won hmmmmm
hes the best player since he has been in the league. and hes the best overall talent since Mario. nobody is actually close
That's very disrespectful with Crosby.
@@HopefulNihilist its OK to say Mcdavid is more gifted and better than Crosby. It’s evolution. Someone will come out better than Mcdavid in 20 years. It’s part of sports
@@Jimmyfly215
Is he tho? Is he really? People love to forget how good Crosby was offensively in a tougher to score era and he's also much better defensively.
Thinking McDavid is better than Crosby is ok, but not even close?? That's ridiculous. If that's the case than why not say he's already better than Mario and Gretzky?
@@HopefulNihilist when you put up numbers that Crosby can’t come close to by 27, and yes, when your playoff numbers really only Gretzky and Mario have done other than you. I mean, he is kind’ve pushing that class. He is the best talent since Mario. I’m not pulling back on my original comment.
Are you people really taking GREG COTE's take seriously?! From the LeBatard show? That show is all about fun and self-aware hot takes meant to rile morons, lol
Mcbaby is an NHL franchise player. We'll protected by the league. Longer leash to non. Good player but overrated and over hyped. It's put in other players heads that he is tough to play against end of the day he is only human
That’s funny
Why would he give McDavid extra fuel in this series? Not like he needs it..But here we go.Let the fun begin 🫡
Cote should follow some other sport. What a foolish article.
These TSN announcers are always wrong. Bodes well for Florida.
Keep comparing Dallas va Florida. They don’t play nothing alike
Florida man is at it again.
McGambling
“Ridiccaluss”