Why Manual Porsches Are (Usually) Overrated
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Do manual Porsches keep their value better than automatics ones? In this video we will have a look at the price trends of various 911, Cayman, and Boxster models.
When it comes to depreciation patterns, it is a common conception that manuals keep their value better than automatics one. In some cases, manuals could be seen as being more desirable, hereby creating more demand and, therefore, sell for higher prices. Thing, for example, about the GT models such as the GT3. These cars are often bought by petrol heads who desire maximum driver engagement. The reason reasoning might be applied to older cars. Old automatic transmissions are not always smooth, making the manuals an attraction option.
However, looking at the price trends, we can see that there is no difference between the automatics and the manuals. This applies to most 911, Cayman, and Boxster market. It even applies to the 991 GT3.
There is, though, one model where the manuals kept their value better; The Porsche 911 Turbo. 996 and 997.1 manual prices soared. Moreover, it are the especially the low mileage cars that pushed prices up.
So should you buy a manual Porsche because it will keep its value better? Usually not.
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Content
00:00 Why a manual could be the best choice
00:58 Approach
02:45 GT models and older Porsches
07:39 Manuals increase more for this model
09:38 Why manuals are (usually) overrated
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In my 25years of Porsche ownership covering 9 cars including 2 GT3’s and a 993 turbo, all of them were manuals. When I sold my 981 GT4 last September to buy a mint 2K mile one owner 991.2 GT3 I went for a pdk car at the urging of my long time racing buddy who’s been a master technician at Porsche for over 30 years. He was adamant that the pairing of the 4.0L GT motor and pdk was a magic combination, just as it is in the Cup cars. Boy - he wasn’t wrong. Even though I’ve owned 23 manual cars in my life, paddle shifting with the pdk is brilliant in these cars.
Upgrading what you have had in your history of manual cars then turn into a PDK an amazing assumption
My macan taught me “pdk good”
@@sunnohh I love my PDK Macan too, this is my ski car, but I also love my manual Boxster, this is my beach car.
I own a 997.2 turbo s, have the urge to get into a gt3 with a preference on a 991.2. Worth the extra $$?
As good or better for lap times, or driving engagement / enjoyment? I noticed you weren’t specific.
I am owner of manual Spyder, waiting to price go down so I can to buy manual Gt3, Manual is only option for me. I do own 617HP automatic bmw X5 m, it is fast but lack of engagement makes it boring to drive
Although to be fair, X5M (I have one too) is boring not only because it's auto. It's just a boring car due to lacking engagement and tactility on other parts of engaging with the car whether it's steering or even buttons.
I also have a PDK 981 GTS, and being able to just shift up and down none stop is a different type of fun than the manual cars.
I do miss manual engagement, also have a Spyder on order and waiting for a 991.2 GT3 manual to drop down in price to trade in the 981 GTS
My manual Cayman is so much more satisfying to drive than a pdk.
Maybe not track faster, but way more fun
I'm older now. Had a 964 and a 993.2 w/MT. Glad I got a 2011 997.2 w/PDK. If you read the owner's manual and get everything dialed in, you're good to go. Easier in heavy traffic, too.
I will only drive and own a manual Porsche 911
Exactly. My 993 and 991.1 GTS are both manuals by choice.
I can see the advantages of a PDK in: 1) competitive racing, 2) when on a Driver Developement Track (tight track that requires constant shifting) while on the Porsche Track Experience course and I want to concentrate on driving techniques, and 3) in bumper to bumper traffic in cities, but then, why waste a Porsche in stop 'n go traffic. I am on back roads and enjoy my manual transmissions.
@@a.c.e.7568 Absolutely there is no better experience.its not about speed for me it's about the engagement with the machine and in this world of dissengaged digital stuff it's a breath of fresh air and fun
@@michaelgenias8491 Spot on.
@@michaelgenias8491 Exactly, I never track my cars and I would never daily drive a sports car again.
I recently bought my first 911 and I'm one of those people that doesn't know how to drive an automatic and refuses to learn. One thing I noticed as soon as I clicked the "manual" checkbox was the prices went up. Even though it is fair to say that the prices are trending the same way, it is pretty obvious at a glance that you will pay a small premium for that third pedal. I'd like to see a similar comparison on other cars like the Murcielago or Gallardo. My gut tells me that cars that were replaced with automatic-only models have probably increased the desirability of their predecessors.
In any case, it seems that other people like me that choose the manual are usually unwilling to compromise on it. Driver's cars have become more and more rare on the new car market and it seems that older models - particularly ones that have strong parts availability still - have exploded because of it.
Congratulations with your first 911. Must be a great feeling. Indeed, there are markets where transmission type can make all of the difference.
Thanks man, you had promised this and you did deliver!
I have a 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 in a great color and well specc'd. 1st owner put less than 1500 miles on her. She's a PDK car and incredibly engaging were I drove her, daily driver, local and highway driving, weekend mountain roads. I bought her to keep and drive. Huge smile on my face every time I put the key in the ignition.
Maybe ask should I get a new one if I can get it at MSRP? How would compare this car with PDK vs Manual ?
Anything with wheels depreciate, unless u hv a special edition with zero miles limited to only a few units.
You didn’t mention anything about the 997.2 and 987.2 market. My anecdotal observation is that manuals command a pretty significant price premium over PDK variants in this generation. Would be interesting to see what the data shows. Especially on the 997.2 GTS models.
I excluded all the segments with too low supply. Manuals indeed tend to demand a significant premium.
depends if you want track car as track use pdk is preferred
Give me an idea of when the hand made British 2020 Lotus Evora GT will be appreciating. Thanks.
It is a Porsche, not a Rembrandt! So get over this pricing thing. As for manuals, some of us are drivers and some of us are passengers and I have driven both, a manual and a PDK.
Hold my coffee while I do this j-turn. All is fun and games until you have to service the PDK. Porsche will tell you pdk is better because they will make more money selling the new transmission. You humble technician will tell you manual is more cost effective. If you need an auto, buy it and drive it. If you want a manual to row gears, buy a Concept2 Rower and exercise.
I prefer the feel of manuals on slow cars and will spec out one for a 911t but if I ever got a gt car it would be pdk
PDK usually cost more on non GT models as separate option, but PDK cars cost less and loose value more
Can you look into the 957 gts manuals? Are the price increase the same on both sides of the Atlantic?
Mine is PDK. manual is good for track? bad shifts, burnt clutches. PDK is better everywhere else.
Excellent video 🙌🏻
Do a review on the NSX new vs old and variants
I will upload a quick market update for the new one next week.
What’s most interesting is not the recent price developments for old Porsches, but the fact that the manuals consistently sell for thousands of dollars more than the automatics on the used market, even though they generally cost thousands of dollars less to buy new.
A part of this results from a difference in milage. Manuals tend to have a lower one.
Love a manual car on a sunny day, when I have time to enjoy it. But not sitting in traffic in rain. Seem to spend most of my time in traffic….keep your manual!
What car(-s) do you own yourself, and why did you buy them?
Please show your sample sizes. Thank you.
The detailed market update videos for each model contain information on the supply levels.
First :). VIdoe idea: Which 3 cars would you buy and why?
Thanks, good idea.
I think race circuits should only allow manuals the skill levels would have a wider range. Anyone could drive a pdk fast
Most 911 drivers buy for status and are not true enthusiasts and therefore prefer an automatic. So manuals are more rare and therefore more expensive.
so essentially the true driver's cars that are actually driven would be the automatics. The ones people buy more of when new. shocker!
When I was looking for my 991.2 GT3 in the last 5 months I noticed that manual cars were about 10k cheaper than pdk ones.
This is actually not the case, assuming cars with same mileage and specs …
Not at all.
Perspective.
Though probably just the result of chaunce
I've owned two Porsches; a Cayman GTS & Boxster S & although they're great cars, they are overrated - manual or pdk - & not very impressive in terms of head-turning either; people just think "Another Porsche, okay nice but meh!" whereas I now have a 2021 F-Type P450 AWD & I can tell you categorically it gets more attention despite being dynamically less competent in pretty much all aspects!
To me, not getting attention is a huge plus. I had a car which attracted a lot of attention. People would come and talk to me at the gas station all the time. Head turning etc. It got old very quickly, so I sold it. To each their own though.
I got me a PDK because it’s faster🤙
Next video why porsches are overpriced
Better get whatever it is you’re after soon. Porsche is stopping production of ICE powered cars altogether cars in 2025. Prices for all these cars will eventually get even more ridiculous. As it is I won’t be able to get an older 911 with a manual to go with my 981 w/ PDK. Meanwhile 80% of the world isn’t destroying its own economies with radical environmentalism. Smdh.
"Porsche is stopping production of ICE powered cars altogether cars in 2025" So no ICE cars at all, or do you mean they will be all at least hybrids? Could you please list the source of this info? - Thanks
@@RealEstateClub-. This “2025” cłam is his own invention.
@@RealEstateClub- 7 Months later, no source, as expected 🤣. Porsche will always produce ICE cars after 2025, although not for each model. The 911 will be hybrid, bu an ICE version will also be proposed. Up to now, Porsche is silent on this.