1:08:10 the teacher says about Muslims "we are not as closely connected as we think we are (he means in every aspect of life, ideas,culture,opinions, situations, etc) but we are emotionally connected and spiritually connected in a way that other communities are not". 💯 We are connected. Gaz a has proved it. Alhamdulillah. Jazakum Allah khairan for your work. Both of you. I have watched a few of your new videos, great host, great guests. Proud to call you my brothers. Keep the videos coming inshaaAllah!
@corporal283kd russian army killed 5 million muslim turks??? The Turkish population of the Ottoman Empire was 10 million in 1914, you're saying the russian army murdered half the turkish population?
It was the foolish and greedy arabs who fought for Nationalism. Even today Arabs always speak about Arab Nationalism. Thank God Arabs have lost honour because they started worshiping wealth than Allah
I thinking framing the discussion around the “fall” of the “Ottoman Empire” detracts away from the Khilafah being a fard. For example, no one discusses the “fall” of salah or the “fall” of the masjid. The whole discussion of salah is around obligation, reward, accountability, sinfulness, the prophetic way of performing salah, Islamic evidences etc. Now look at how we discuss Khilafah. Academic, political analysis, historical narratives etc.
situation is something like that... russian army invaded half the turkey.. and together with armenian militants they killed 5 million ottoman turk muslims. at the time unfortunately arabs were fighting together with british army against , ottoman army in arabia.. we could hardly survive against attacks from Greeks, Arabs, Biritish, French, Russian, Italian etc.. rest is the history.. today arab people are still suffering for their actions 100 years ago.
Brilliant! My understanding of the end of ottomans was limited to the analysis by Eugene Rogan, David Fromkin and other contemporary western historians of their likes (and I respect them very much). However this discussion was truly fascinating. The idea that the Uthmani Caliphate had the ability to get itself out the mess was truly a unique point, and the role of WWI really hits the cord. Additionally, young Turk movement not a reactionary or unIslamic movement was also interesting. Q: How do you distinguish between the young Turk movement from the movement of Mustafa Kamal Pasha and the reforms that he implemented after dissolving the Caliphate?
What is the relevance of the Sykes picot agreement to Muslims of the Subcontinent? How does it impact their psyche? Or those from the far east or from Africa or from central and Eastern Europe?
Turks made the ruling class for much of the entire muslim world. The Turkish fall meant the muslim world fell with it. Like wise the rise of the Turks hence will rise the entire Muslim world. This this is the secret as to how Muslims come out of their problems, support the Turks. They are the saviours of the islamic civilisation as they had been for the past 1000 years. All of these regions bar the odd one were ruled by Turkic dynasties from europe to east asia. In India the Mughuls were Turkic.
The Ottomans meant nothing in British India. Hundreds of thousands of British Indians incl Muslims fought in the British Indian army against the Ottomans in WW1 eg in Iraq and Palestine. Despite the Ottoman ‘Caliph’ instructing Muslims to support the Central Powers rather than the allies. Most Muslims didn’t care much about Ottoman delusions of leadership.
@@billyjesus5442 In my opinion it's time we stoped being provincial. Look at the Turks, Arabs, Indians as first and foremost MUSLIM. There is no preference of a Turk, an Arab An Indian etc.
I disagree, its time Muslims recognise the realities of history. Why do i say this? Not because of ego or personal benefit, but to me it seems so obvious. If you want to solve the problems of the islamic world, you have to unite behind the Turks. You have to let them lead as they lead for much of the past. The Turks today are the only Muslim majority nation trying to build a 5th generation fighter jet the KAAN. Turks went to the rest of the Muslim world and offered them to come in on the project, not one did. They rather buy american, french, british, russian or chinese. Fine but buying their crap doesnt help Muslim civilisation in the long run. Muslims want to come out of this hell, get behind the Turks. Allah knew what he was doing when he created them. History shows us this. Arabs went against the the Turks and we see Gaza today burning. @@Al-bq5yr
To be fair - The Brits, the French and the Soviets very ably helped by King Saud, Sheif Hussain's and the Arabs that followed these traitors of the Ummah. It was the Ottomon Caliphate that defended Palestine and Aqsa Mosque 🕌. The Brits n the French n succeeded by the backstab.
@Phantomshader You are joking, right? Erdogan does not want "islamic law," being conservative doesn't mean you want sharia, almost nobody in Turkey would want sharia law, except for the most extreme muslims...
44:00 Indians rejected helping to England right after they realise “white man” is not invincible after Turkish nationalist leaders show us the way of freedom from imperialism, whilst Abdulhamid have become servant of the same white man to keep his sultanate. I would recommend you to read Nutuk by Hz.Mustafa Kemal Atatürk to see from our Point of view.
The caliphate was abolished under British pressure. England approved the Lausanne treaty, which is the foundation of the turkish republic, only after the abolishment of the caliphate. AND... The caliphate was not terminated in the absolute sense, it was shifted to the Turkish Grand National Assembly. Under the right conditions, it can be spun off as a separate entity again.
what bullshit is this? Caliphe was already a puppet of Britain. Nowadays, Caliphate, Papa or someone else have no importance like in medieval times The world have changed.. Nice Dream (!)
Definitely not true. Brits probably welcomed the fact that there will be no caliph who would be a headache in their indian politics but that's it. There isn't one single item in the treaty that forces Turkey to terminate caliphate. As Dr. Yakoob Ahmed stated well in his speech, caliphate system had a strong tradition to impact political system and it is well documented how last caliph tried some political intervention which caused conflict of power. To avoid such conflict and change the centuries old system to a "republic" the caliphate system was chosen to be terminated.
@@jediTempleGuard Lausanne signed on July 24, 1923. Ratified by Turkey Aug 23, 1923. Caliphate abolished on March 3, 1924. Lausanne ratified by all other countries August 6, 1924. This did not need to be in Lausanne treaty explicitly. Ataturk was squarely in Britain's pocket. Brits still keep their communication with him secret up to this day.
@@jediTempleGuard in todays world how often do we ostensibly see the machinations of the USA/ NATO in world affairs ? In the turn of the century the puppeteers were the Pax Britainica in league with the Soviets n the French. The Caliphate had to go without which the Zio-Christian project couldn't take centre stage - so as to bring into fruition Zion. All attempts by the Ummah lead as it were by the Ulamah of the subcontinent and Indonesia to mount a resistance to the abolition of the Caliphate failed as a result of machinations of the Britain & Co. With hindsight the Caliphate had to go for 2 reasons - 1) creation of Zion/ Israel 2) 😊 The creation of the rationale for the return of the Caliphate in its pristine purity. Ultimately behind the scenes at the heart of the betrayal and destruction of the Caliphate were the Arabs lead by King Saud n Sherif Hussain) . The Caliphate can only rise again with the complete destruction of those Arabs n cronies that helped bring about the destruction of the Caliphate in the first place. Ultimately even in its weakened state the 'Ottomon' Caliphate couldn't have been put down without the Saud/ sherif Hussain treachery and backstab. Sadly for the phoenix to rise there has to be Ashes of these traitors. Ultimately God Knows Best!!
It was abolished because it was predicted that the caliphate could harm the Turkish future. The West, which was already in contact with most ethnic groups within the Ottoman Empire, promised everyone a state. If the caliphate was still with the Turks. Members of ethnic groups that had not rebelled might also face rebellion. It was a very natural decision at that time. Declaring a caliphate without any power in the region or the world will only harm the country that declared the caliphate. Nationalism is at a high level. To give an example, even when Palestinians are suffering so much, they still emphasize that they are Palestinians, not that they are Muslims.
Because it had to. It had run it´s course and had no survivability left, despite some last minute attempts to change it´s outlook, starting with the Tanzimat "revolution" end of the 1800s.
You didn't mention the silk letter conspiracy where the Mahmud Hassan and Hussain Ahmed tried to reach the Khalifa and got caught and sentenced to Malta by the British.
God knows best. But I think it was good thing abolishing khalifat for that time period. Otherwise caliph could be puppet of west for very long time maybe till today. And tradition for new caliph (father to son) couldnt be changed. If in the future muslims have chance to get chaliphate would be under better curcimstances. Arab countries hardly accepted by majority of muslims probably caliphate could be established in india-pakistan, indonesia, malaysia, maybe turks again etc. Also needs strong military to protect it.
The Caliphate does not have to be a person, it can be an institution, like the Great National Assembly. This was suggested by Ziya Gokalp and discussed by Muhammad Iqbal
52:34 so basically ottomans tried to play the game, and lost. To the victors go the spoils. Ottomans thought they could make some quick cheeky grab of lands and it backfired on them. No we have academics almost suggesting, ottomans we’re hard done by. No, the austrio Hungarian empire was probably older and more prestigious than the Ottoman Empire and they were also swept away with the tides of history. Stop crying for the Ottomans. As the guest alluded to himself, the Turks themselves are happy with their republic.
not really, you really need to speak someone Turkish who knows Turkish history. It fascinates me how many muslims of non-Turk ethnicity get it so so wrong.
You’re right. Too much nostalgia amongst Islamic activists. The idea of a United Caliphate Defending Muslims worldwide is a modern construction. The Ottomans were just another empire. The far stronger German, Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires also collapsed after WW1. It was the fruit of military defeat in the War.
@@fuadahmed5501 yes and no, no other race has fought and died more defending Islam then the Turks. The Ottomans up to a point were more powerful then all of those empires. The Russians used to pay the Ottomans tax to leave them alone. The Hapsburgs capital was Vienna and the Ottoman armies lands were on their borders. The Germans for much of Ottoman history were nothing but a thousand principalities. The problems the Ottomans had is that while Europe had many powerful global empires to ally together with and fight the Turks, the Muslims outside the Turks were pretty much weak and useless as they still are today. Today i see the Turks building a 5th gen fighter yet, meanwhile i see the pakistanis still struggling with basic hygine.
@@billyjesus5442 I was talking about the aftermath of WW1. All these more powerful European empires fell, so how could a weak empire like the Ottomans survive losing a world war? We saw exactly how weak modern Turkey is by the fact Turkey was forced to dial back its intervention in Syria once the Russian bear got involved and bombed Turkish soldiers in Syria. Secondly, when more than 40,000 died in the earthquake recently and the disaster response was so weak that foreign aid and expertise was needed. Finally, the Turkish 5th Gen fighter is being co-built by US firm Boeing, is powered by a General Electric engine and is still a concept yet to fly. 😂 So precious little Turkish about it.
The reasons why the caliphates collapsed or expelled in Spain or even the ottoman sultanate is because they loved the Dunya and were neglecting the shariah! The sulnatate were drinking Alcohol etc...
the kaffir love the dunya more and drink more and yet they conquered the world. Maybe our problem is that we dont love the dunya enough, maybe if we valued this life we would succeed.
It's all nice and dandy but if Ataturk was able to do away with the Caliphate with the stroke of a pen, was it then really a caliphate ? When Selim II defeated the Mamluks in 1517 in Egypt, and took with him the token "caliph" of the time Al Mutawakkil III, where he still was ceremonially a "Caliph" but with no 0 practical power. How can a caliph be so powerless ? And this idea of the loss a united caliphate in 1924 is fantasy. We do not have a fully united caliphate since the time of the Khulafaa Rashidine. During the abbasids, the umayyads ruled in spain, the idrissids ruleds in Morocco, the Aghlabids in tunisia, and so on and so forth... these are facts. Suleyman the magnificent called himself many titles : "in Baghdad, I am the Shah, in Byzantine the Caeser, and Egypt the Sultan..." he did not even mention the word "Caliph", that should tell you something.
On another note, one of the key reason of Islam's success in the world is its decentralized form of power. It always worked like that: keep the local elites for the administration and rule from afar. Learn your history people. Said otherwise, there is nothing that says we can't have multiple decentralized islamic states. As a matter of historical FACT, we always had ever since the Rashidine.
You can have multiple muslims states but the caliphate still needs to be there. This is ijma of the ulema. Through out the 1400 years of the ummah the khilifa exsisted in some manner
All that you have stated above are opinions and interpretations of some events. The gist of the discussion (in the video) is the overall role of Muslims in geopolitics in the relatively recent history.
Let young Çanakkale & Tripoli enter the convo. Before retreat from Syria. It is Japanese-tic matters. Tradition. We don't need to build just rebuild. It is already there.
As person with skin of left arm. 😂. You will make lot of peacock talks also gone. *It's gone in administration now here start, I watch, later it's gone of 'this'. I really love this.
If you historian you must read the letters betwen harington and lord curzon aound 1920 ,,1in every 3 soldier in british army was muslim and fighting agains the ottoman at ww1 ,,,whole ottoman dynasty is in england ,,some in oxford ,,,terminated by ataturk and he did it vey well ,,
This episode is obviously not intended towards someone who wants to learn about this sensitive topic from the outside? Everything is around the bush. Why is truth such that it must be tiptoed around, what is it that cant be said openly. Or is it cultural thing that it isnt polite to talk openly? I learned more from the comments section. Lots of sensitive things hidden between the lines, that I may guess right, I hope so. IMHO scolar task is to help create facts based science that is the same for all. Yet in science of history it is extremly difficult. The truth become skewd under political pressure of goverments. That is sad. My point is we all who have ears need to hear the truth, being Muslim or not.
He was a trator to his own People, Nation!. He dint whanted to live in The Hichaz land and in sted whent to live in San Remo Italy to have lots of freedom,Sex!.
There was nothing special about fall and dismantlement of Ottoman Empires. The time of empires had passed. Along wiht Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire, fell apart, aand were turned into Republic secular nation states. Followed two decades later by British Empire, and French Colonial Empire, Dutch Colonial Empire. Spanish Empire haviung been dismanteled by Americans after 1898 Spanish-American War. Time of empires had passed.
Western colonialists wanted us Muslims separated and still they do everything to separate us. But may Allah help Erdoğan who is tying to support whole the Muslim world as well as oppressed countries like Venezuela etc.
What is Erdogan gonna do lol , don’t be delulu please. He is a hypocrite. Occupying Cyrus and Syria, suppressing the Kurds, doing business with Israel (this is not a conspiracy, you can search it up). He destroyed the whole Turkish economy (60% inflation rate, highest on the planet). Do you actually follow geopolitics? The only real muslim leaders are Iran and Imran Khan (prison). Let’s be clear that i don’t support Iran, nor I’m a Shi’i. Just telling you facts.
Ottoman dymasty had no say in that. The parliement which was founded by Atatürk and other commanders and soldiers was the new government. After WW1, they abolished the dynasty and found a new republic. They dynasty was forced to leave the country with no wealth, some of them became beggars in Europe, some of them died in poor conditions, it was very bad for all of them. The sultan (Vahdeddin is the last sultan) could gather up an army and resisted against the parliement to secure the old way of ruling but he didn't want any bloodshed after that horrible WW1. So he and his family were forced to left Turkey with nothing.
Can we please mention the creation of Israel was one of the main reasons why ottoman empire fell apart , if you can't because of you're employment by Turkish government then I also understand. Modern day turkiye was created to shield Israel.
WW 1, UK, France, Arabs (they "trusted" the UK -should have supported the one person with intelligence and an INCORRUPTALBE spirit - Sultan Abdul Hamid II). And, the Young Turks "nationalism" movement.
The Ahmadiyya Khilafat The successors after The Promised Messiah(as) are known as the "Ahmadiyya Khilafat". Hazrat Hakeem Nooruddin(ra) Like Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Nooruddin established the unity of the Community after the death of the Promised Messiah. Hazrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad(ra) Also known as the "Promised Reformer", Hazrat Mahmud Ahmad introduced many improvements into the administration of the Community. Hazrat Mirza Nasir Ahmad(rh) As Khalifa, Hazrat Nasir Ahmad offered great leadership and guidance when Pakistan declared the Community to be non-Muslim. Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad(rh) In addition to his many notable achievements, Hazrat Tahir Ahmad launched the first Muslim satellite television network. Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(at) As the current Khalifa, Hazrat Masroor Ahmad is guiding the Community through a time of great global skepticism and animosity towards Islam.
Why should British Muslim need to study Ottoman History? I say this from the perspective that history is important for all students but Muslims don’t need a special syllabus to teach us how good or bad the Islamic kingdoms of the past were. We’ve all left our ancestral homelands and came here to make a new life. We should let go of the old world and make a British Muslim identity.
Haroon makes a very good point about the relevance of this subject to our everyday lives. Talking about ancient empires, conquests and occupations only creates bad blood both between Muslims but also in relations with Non Muslims.
It was a disfunctional empire that could only go the way of defeat and shame. The closest thing to a modern time caliphate also didn't work out, unlike Britain which still has a Commonwealth and friends. Can't put my finger in why a califate might be a bad idea.
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I get lies vibe , What are u talking about ? What is the difference between nationality and the idea of being the chosen ppl ? Turkey is another state of the still existing anglo empire.
We simply don’t need a Caliphate. We have the nation state now. Even the poorest country can marshal more resources today and do things eg provide universal education and access to basic health services tvat Ottomans couldn’t do in the medieval period. We should talk about subjects more relevant to our lives than an ancient empire!
It's clear that u haven't the magnificent achievements of the Otomon Caliphate. Maybe if u took the trouble to research this, you would appreciate their contributions
The Islamic caliphate fell after the Mamluk state marginalized the Abbasid caliph, then the Ottoman state wrested power from the Abbasid caliph in Egypt, so the Muslims no longer had a caliph. The Ottomans were sultans who invaded the Arab world with blood and took control of the Arab countries by invading the Levant and Egypt and overthrowing the Mamluk state Religiously: The Turkish Ottomans encouraged the building of shrines and the supplication of the dead instead of the Creator, and from behaviors that distance Muslims from loving this state, which contradicts the constants of religion. Ethnically: the Turks were racist towards the Arabs and had crimes against the Arabs, so a number of movements took place that contradicted the existence of the Ottoman Empire. Historically: The beginning of the Ottoman Empire in the Arab countries began with a war that swept across the Arab countries and wrested the rule of the Islamic world from the Abbasid caliph and overthrew the Mamluk state. Errors in religion and in racism and history.
The mamluks were Turks. They even called egypt back then Turkiye. Before the Ottomans entered the middle east the entire region was ruled by Turkic dynasties. Remember the seljuks Turks swept into the middle east 500 years before the Ottomans did. Turks had about 40 empires in history. After that point the Ottomans, Safavids and Muguls were all Turkic dynasties. The Turks are the Vikings of the Muslim world. The ruling class of the religion. Allah knows best.
this guy is an idiot. He is one these people who will always talk about arab superiority when it comes to islam. Talks about racism and history but is racist himself. If the turks were so "racist" towards the arabs, why did they stayed under them for 400 years and some even became voluntarily vassal states? Keep your hate in the gulf states. Arabs treat south east asians and somalis like slaves in the gulf states.
The Ottoman empire was not a Khilafah. The Sultans where not from Quraish and many left Islam due to major Kufr and Shirk like abandoning the Shariah or extreme Sufi practices such as grave worshipping or dua to "saints" or the prophet ﷺ.
what a bs... Here we have another gentleman deciding who is muslim, kuffar etc. Allah knows the best and he will judge us all. So be careful with your words.
As a turk, do not claim ottomans as a muslim empire. It was a turkic empire that was founded by turks, developed by turks and started to decline when they neglected the turks. We as turkish youth do not want anything remotely related to islam.
You are a minority incubated in Western Matrix human baby pods for the past 100 years. Rest of the 1000 years, Turks were Muslim and still are. Look at your MOON AND STAR FLAG and you will understand.
@@alp2ccc138 crescent moon and the star are most definitely turkic symbols far outdate islamic use. Turkic history and culture is much bigger than the egoist arabic religion's ego can handle.
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you.
Jazakallah khair brother Paul.
It would be great if you could get Dr Yakoob on the show Paul
Paul why dont you come on the thinking Muslim?
1:08:10 the teacher says about Muslims "we are not as closely connected as we think we are (he means in every aspect of life, ideas,culture,opinions, situations, etc) but we are emotionally connected and spiritually connected in a way that other communities are not". 💯
We are connected.
Gaz a has proved it.
Alhamdulillah.
Jazakum Allah khairan for your work. Both of you.
I have watched a few of your new videos, great host, great guests. Proud to call you my brothers.
Keep the videos coming inshaaAllah!
Masha'Allah, this is a topic that deserves to be talked about and vital for us to know about. Loving the roster of guests, alhamdulillah.
May Allaah bless you both abundantly and preserve you. Ameen
May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!
I always look foward for 19th centuries amd 20th centuries Ottoman from Dr Yakoob Ahmed!
From Libya, this is excellent and balanced reflection on what happened 99 years ago.
Jazakum Allah kher brothers
JazakaAllahu khairan
And the Young Turks.
Dr Yakoob is a friggin gem
Lost ww1, the arabs revolted, and the turks essentially chose nationalism over islam.
at the time arabs revolted , russian army killed 5 million muslim turks.. this is a trauma
@corporal283kd russian army killed 5 million muslim turks??? The Turkish population of the Ottoman Empire was 10 million in 1914, you're saying the russian army murdered half the turkish population?
It was the foolish and greedy arabs who fought for Nationalism. Even today Arabs always speak about Arab Nationalism. Thank God Arabs have lost honour because they started worshiping wealth than Allah
A Texan Ottoman here born in Constantinople, which Turks are you referring at?
@alp2ccc138 The Turks living in Turkey.
جزاک اللہ خیرا
I thinking framing the discussion around the “fall” of the “Ottoman Empire” detracts away from the Khilafah being a fard. For example, no one discusses the “fall” of salah or the “fall” of the masjid. The whole discussion of salah is around obligation, reward, accountability, sinfulness, the prophetic way of performing salah, Islamic evidences etc. Now look at how we discuss Khilafah. Academic, political analysis, historical narratives etc.
situation is something like that... russian army invaded half the turkey.. and together with armenian militants they killed 5 million ottoman turk muslims. at the time unfortunately arabs were fighting together with british army against , ottoman army in arabia..
we could hardly survive against attacks from Greeks, Arabs, Biritish, French, Russian, Italian etc.. rest is the history.. today arab people are still suffering for their actions 100 years ago.
And you got this information from your backside! 😂
May Allah SWT reward you ɓrothers
Brilliant! My understanding of the end of ottomans was limited to the analysis by Eugene Rogan, David Fromkin and other contemporary western historians of their likes (and I respect them very much). However this discussion was truly fascinating. The idea that the Uthmani Caliphate had the ability to get itself out the mess was truly a unique point, and the role of WWI really hits the cord. Additionally, young Turk movement not a reactionary or unIslamic movement was also interesting. Q: How do you distinguish between the young Turk movement from the movement of Mustafa Kamal Pasha and the reforms that he implemented after dissolving the Caliphate?
Ataturk joined young turks only briefly and left as they didint share the same goals! If was not high ranking in the young Turk movement
32:58 what name did he mention here? Something like 'Feroz yasmin' or what?
I couldn't catch
superb ending :)
What is the relevance of the Sykes picot agreement to Muslims of the Subcontinent? How does it impact their psyche? Or those from the far east or from Africa or from central and Eastern Europe?
Turks made the ruling class for much of the entire muslim world. The Turkish fall meant the muslim world fell with it. Like wise the rise of the Turks hence will rise the entire Muslim world. This this is the secret as to how Muslims come out of their problems, support the Turks. They are the saviours of the islamic civilisation as they had been for the past 1000 years. All of these regions bar the odd one were ruled by Turkic dynasties from europe to east asia. In India the Mughuls were Turkic.
The Ottomans meant nothing in British India. Hundreds of thousands of British Indians incl Muslims fought in the British Indian army against the Ottomans in WW1 eg in Iraq and Palestine. Despite the Ottoman ‘Caliph’ instructing Muslims to support the Central Powers rather than the allies. Most Muslims didn’t care much about Ottoman delusions of leadership.
@@billyjesus5442 In my opinion it's time we stoped being provincial. Look at the Turks, Arabs, Indians as first and foremost MUSLIM. There is no preference of a Turk, an Arab An Indian etc.
I disagree, its time Muslims recognise the realities of history. Why do i say this? Not because of ego or personal benefit, but to me it seems so obvious. If you want to solve the problems of the islamic world, you have to unite behind the Turks. You have to let them lead as they lead for much of the past. The Turks today are the only Muslim majority nation trying to build a 5th generation fighter jet the KAAN. Turks went to the rest of the Muslim world and offered them to come in on the project, not one did. They rather buy american, french, british, russian or chinese. Fine but buying their crap doesnt help Muslim civilisation in the long run. Muslims want to come out of this hell, get behind the Turks. Allah knew what he was doing when he created them. History shows us this. Arabs went against the the Turks and we see Gaza today burning. @@Al-bq5yr
The Ottoman Khalifa dint Fall it was destroyed by the British,France!.
To be fair - The Brits, the French and the Soviets very ably helped by King Saud, Sheif Hussain's and the Arabs that followed these traitors of the Ummah. It was the Ottomon Caliphate that defended Palestine and Aqsa Mosque 🕌. The Brits n the French n succeeded by the backstab.
@v_ilaristhere is no islamic law and it will never happen islamist terrorist
@Phantomshader Nope. You do not have enough knowledge
@Phantomshader Even if Ataturk didnt abolish it, it would fall eventually. It was inevitable.
@Phantomshader You are joking, right? Erdogan does not want "islamic law," being conservative doesn't mean you want sharia, almost nobody in Turkey would want sharia law, except for the most extreme muslims...
we still yearn for the honor of the caliphate, not even fully knowing what it realy was^^
44:00 Indians rejected helping to England right after they realise “white man” is not invincible after Turkish nationalist leaders show us the way of freedom from imperialism, whilst Abdulhamid have become servant of the same white man to keep his sultanate. I would recommend you to read Nutuk by Hz.Mustafa Kemal Atatürk to see from our Point of view.
What is the show he mentions at around 16:35.
Thanks
He is a Excellent History Teacher .Sir make video on Ataturk.
Why though ?
I hope they talk with a Turkish professor. Other than Turkic muslims, most people from middle east just slander him with absurd rumors.
Allah humma bariq!
Does Dr. Yakood Ahmed still hold online classes? Where are the details of his US tour? JazakAllahu Khayr
The caliphate was abolished under British pressure. England approved the Lausanne treaty, which is the foundation of the turkish republic, only after the abolishment of the caliphate.
AND...
The caliphate was not terminated in the absolute sense, it was shifted to the Turkish Grand National Assembly. Under the right conditions, it can be spun off as a separate entity again.
what bullshit is this? Caliphe was already a puppet of Britain. Nowadays, Caliphate, Papa or someone else have no importance like in medieval times The world have changed.. Nice Dream (!)
Definitely not true. Brits probably welcomed the fact that there will be no caliph who would be a headache in their indian politics but that's it. There isn't one single item in the treaty that forces Turkey to terminate caliphate. As Dr. Yakoob Ahmed stated well in his speech, caliphate system had a strong tradition to impact political system and it is well documented how last caliph tried some political intervention which caused conflict of power. To avoid such conflict and change the centuries old system to a "republic" the caliphate system was chosen to be terminated.
@@jediTempleGuard Lausanne signed on July 24, 1923. Ratified by Turkey Aug 23, 1923. Caliphate abolished on March 3, 1924. Lausanne ratified by all other countries August 6, 1924.
This did not need to be in Lausanne treaty explicitly. Ataturk was squarely in Britain's pocket. Brits still keep their communication with him secret up to this day.
shirk nullifies faith. The nationalists cannot even inherit their muslim fahters.
@@jediTempleGuard in todays world how often do we ostensibly see the machinations of the USA/ NATO in world affairs ?
In the turn of the century the puppeteers were the Pax Britainica in league with the Soviets n the French.
The Caliphate had to go without which the Zio-Christian project couldn't take centre stage - so as to bring into fruition Zion.
All attempts by the Ummah lead as it were by the Ulamah of the subcontinent and Indonesia to mount a resistance to the abolition of the Caliphate failed as a result of machinations of the Britain & Co.
With hindsight the Caliphate had to go for 2 reasons - 1) creation of Zion/ Israel 2) 😊 The creation of the rationale for the return of the Caliphate in its pristine purity.
Ultimately behind the scenes at the heart of the betrayal and destruction of the Caliphate were the Arabs lead by King Saud n Sherif Hussain) .
The Caliphate can only rise again with the complete destruction of those Arabs n cronies that helped bring about the destruction of the Caliphate in the first place. Ultimately even in its weakened state the 'Ottomon' Caliphate couldn't have been put down without the Saud/ sherif Hussain treachery and backstab. Sadly for the phoenix to rise there has to be Ashes of these traitors. Ultimately God Knows Best!!
It was abolished because it was predicted that the caliphate could harm the Turkish future. The West, which was already in contact with most ethnic groups within the Ottoman Empire, promised everyone a state. If the caliphate was still with the Turks. Members of ethnic groups that had not rebelled might also face rebellion. It was a very natural decision at that time. Declaring a caliphate without any power in the region or the world will only harm the country that declared the caliphate. Nationalism is at a high level. To give an example, even when Palestinians are suffering so much, they still emphasize that they are Palestinians, not that they are Muslims.
Was the rate of literacy around 10% in the Ottoman empire adressed anywhere in their considerations?
Because it had to. It had run it´s course and had no survivability left, despite some last minute attempts to change it´s outlook, starting with the Tanzimat "revolution" end of the 1800s.
Really appreciate this session.. but I didn't hit like .. as the likes are at the moment 313.. and I didn't feel like changing that number😍
Got it Bless you 😊
You didn't mention the silk letter conspiracy where the Mahmud Hassan and Hussain Ahmed tried to reach the Khalifa and got caught and sentenced to Malta by the British.
God knows best. But I think it was good thing abolishing khalifat for that time period. Otherwise caliph could be puppet of west for very long time maybe till today. And tradition for new caliph (father to son) couldnt be changed. If in the future muslims have chance to get chaliphate would be under better curcimstances. Arab countries hardly accepted by majority of muslims probably caliphate could be established in india-pakistan, indonesia, malaysia, maybe turks again etc. Also needs strong military to protect it.
The Caliphate does not have to be a person, it can be an institution, like the Great National Assembly. This was suggested by Ziya Gokalp and discussed by Muhammad Iqbal
52:34 so basically ottomans tried to play the game, and lost. To the victors go the spoils.
Ottomans thought they could make some quick cheeky grab of lands and it backfired on them.
No we have academics almost suggesting, ottomans we’re hard done by. No, the austrio Hungarian empire was probably older and more prestigious than the Ottoman Empire and they were also swept away with the tides of history.
Stop crying for the Ottomans.
As the guest alluded to himself, the Turks themselves are happy with their republic.
Pfft.. Sorry dude. Austrio is older than Turks? k.
not really, you really need to speak someone Turkish who knows Turkish history. It fascinates me how many muslims of non-Turk ethnicity get it so so wrong.
You’re right. Too much nostalgia amongst Islamic activists. The idea of a United Caliphate Defending Muslims worldwide is a modern construction. The Ottomans were just another empire.
The far stronger German, Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires also collapsed after WW1. It was the fruit of military defeat in the War.
@@fuadahmed5501 yes and no, no other race has fought and died more defending Islam then the Turks. The Ottomans up to a point were more powerful then all of those empires. The Russians used to pay the Ottomans tax to leave them alone. The Hapsburgs capital was Vienna and the Ottoman armies lands were on their borders. The Germans for much of Ottoman history were nothing but a thousand principalities. The problems the Ottomans had is that while Europe had many powerful global empires to ally together with and fight the Turks, the Muslims outside the Turks were pretty much weak and useless as they still are today. Today i see the Turks building a 5th gen fighter yet, meanwhile i see the pakistanis still struggling with basic hygine.
@@billyjesus5442 I was talking about the aftermath of WW1. All these more powerful European empires fell, so how could a weak empire like the Ottomans survive losing a world war?
We saw exactly how weak modern Turkey is by the fact Turkey was forced to dial back its intervention in Syria once the Russian bear got involved and bombed Turkish soldiers in Syria. Secondly, when more than 40,000 died in the earthquake recently and the disaster response was so weak that foreign aid and expertise was needed. Finally, the Turkish 5th Gen fighter is being co-built by US firm Boeing, is powered by a General Electric engine and is still a concept yet to fly. 😂 So precious little Turkish about it.
1909ad the day Sultan Abdul Hameed Khan stepped down , ottamans ended
Baghdadi wore a Fajr watch and not a Rolex, keep it real brothers
Proof?
Now it's been one hundred years
The reasons why the caliphates collapsed or expelled in Spain or even the ottoman sultanate is because they loved the Dunya and were neglecting the shariah! The sulnatate were drinking Alcohol etc...
the kaffir love the dunya more and drink more and yet they conquered the world. Maybe our problem is that we dont love the dunya enough, maybe if we valued this life we would succeed.
It's all nice and dandy but if Ataturk was able to do away with the Caliphate with the stroke of a pen, was it then really a caliphate ?
When Selim II defeated the Mamluks in 1517 in Egypt, and took with him the token "caliph" of the time Al Mutawakkil III, where he still was ceremonially a "Caliph" but with no 0 practical power.
How can a caliph be so powerless ?
And this idea of the loss a united caliphate in 1924 is fantasy. We do not have a fully united caliphate since the time of the Khulafaa Rashidine. During the abbasids, the umayyads ruled in spain, the idrissids ruleds in Morocco, the Aghlabids in tunisia, and so on and so forth... these are facts.
Suleyman the magnificent called himself many titles : "in Baghdad, I am the Shah, in Byzantine the Caeser, and Egypt the Sultan..." he did not even mention the word "Caliph", that should tell you something.
On another note, one of the key reason of Islam's success in the world is its decentralized form of power. It always worked like that: keep the local elites for the administration and rule from afar. Learn your history people. Said otherwise, there is nothing that says we can't have multiple decentralized islamic states. As a matter of historical FACT, we always had ever since the Rashidine.
Exactly
You can have multiple muslims states but the caliphate still needs to be there. This is ijma of the ulema. Through out the 1400 years of the ummah the khilifa exsisted in some manner
the meaning of the caliph lost its meaning since the abbasids. this did not starts with the ottomans.
It was not with a stroke of a pen. There were several precipitating events. The stroke of the pen was the straw that broke the camel's back.
All that you have stated above are opinions and interpretations of some events. The gist of the discussion (in the video) is the overall role of Muslims in geopolitics in the relatively recent history.
The Arab revolt and their cooperation with the the Western countries placed the nail in the coffin.
I require a second listen to fully grasp. Dense in content. Must read any books Dr Yaqoob Ahmed has written.
Let young Çanakkale & Tripoli enter the convo. Before retreat from Syria.
It is Japanese-tic matters. Tradition. We don't need to build just rebuild. It is already there.
Osmanoğlu also erudite European.
Remember when İsmet Paşa asked by British about Caliphate? It is internal matter of Turkish.
As person with skin of left arm. 😂.
You will make lot of peacock talks also gone.
*It's gone in administration now here start, I watch, later it's gone of 'this'.
I really love this.
So many papers, and drinks are gone without substance.
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The closed caption translates "diin" as "Dean."
Why you need to ask this question???????????????
If you historian you must read the letters betwen harington and lord curzon aound 1920 ,,1in every 3 soldier in british army was muslim and fighting agains the ottoman at ww1 ,,,whole ottoman dynasty is in england ,,some in oxford ,,,terminated by ataturk and he did it vey well ,,
The wahabis "reflect modernity"?
This episode is obviously not intended towards someone who wants to learn about this sensitive topic from the outside? Everything is around the bush. Why is truth such that it must be tiptoed around, what is it that cant be said openly. Or is it cultural thing that it isnt polite to talk openly? I learned more from the comments section. Lots of sensitive things hidden between the lines, that I may guess right, I hope so.
IMHO scolar task is to help create facts based science that is the same for all. Yet in science of history it is extremly difficult. The truth become skewd under political pressure of goverments. That is sad.
My point is we all who have ears need to hear the truth, being Muslim or not.
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He was a trator to his own People, Nation!. He dint whanted to live in The Hichaz land and in sted whent to live in San Remo Italy to have lots of freedom,Sex!.
There was nothing special about fall and dismantlement of Ottoman Empires. The time of empires had passed. Along wiht Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire, fell apart, aand were turned into Republic secular nation states. Followed two decades later by British Empire, and French Colonial Empire, Dutch Colonial Empire. Spanish Empire haviung been dismanteled by Americans after 1898 Spanish-American War. Time of empires had passed.
Western colonialists wanted us Muslims separated and still they do everything to separate us. But may Allah help Erdoğan who is tying to support whole the Muslim world as well as oppressed countries like Venezuela etc.
What is Erdogan gonna do lol , don’t be delulu please. He is a hypocrite. Occupying Cyrus and Syria, suppressing the Kurds, doing business with Israel (this is not a conspiracy, you can search it up).
He destroyed the whole Turkish economy (60% inflation rate, highest on the planet). Do you actually follow geopolitics? The only real muslim leaders are Iran and Imran Khan (prison).
Let’s be clear that i don’t support Iran, nor I’m a Shi’i. Just telling you facts.
Erdoğan is ruining Turkey with islamic fairy tales.
Why didn't osman dynasty gave up for power and replace another dynasty that will solve everything for the empire 😊😊😊
Ottoman dymasty had no say in that. The parliement which was founded by Atatürk and other commanders and soldiers was the new government. After WW1, they abolished the dynasty and found a new republic. They dynasty was forced to leave the country with no wealth, some of them became beggars in Europe, some of them died in poor conditions, it was very bad for all of them. The sultan (Vahdeddin is the last sultan) could gather up an army and resisted against the parliement to secure the old way of ruling but he didn't want any bloodshed after that horrible WW1. So he and his family were forced to left Turkey with nothing.
@@rumeysa4686 Dİlenci olmuşmuş yalanlara bak.
This is not SA.
@@rumeysa4686no as the beggars they were they took asylum in British like their Arab dogs
Can we please mention the creation of Israel was one of the main reasons why ottoman empire fell apart , if you can't because of you're employment by Turkish government then I also understand. Modern day turkiye was created to shield Israel.
Othman is headed by a Sultan Othmani is a Sultanate.
WW 1, UK, France, Arabs (they "trusted" the UK -should have supported the one person with intelligence and an INCORRUPTALBE spirit - Sultan Abdul Hamid II). And, the Young Turks "nationalism" movement.
A scouser?! Seriously?! You just undermined all your work 😂😂😂
Turks and ArBs fighting
Why didn't you ask a Turkish historian? It is Türkiye not 🦃
The Ahmadiyya Khilafat
The successors after The Promised Messiah(as) are known as the "Ahmadiyya Khilafat".
Hazrat Hakeem Nooruddin(ra)
Like Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Nooruddin established the unity of the Community after the death of the Promised Messiah.
Hazrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad(ra)
Also known as the "Promised Reformer", Hazrat Mahmud Ahmad introduced many improvements into the administration of the Community.
Hazrat Mirza Nasir Ahmad(rh)
As Khalifa, Hazrat Nasir Ahmad offered great leadership and guidance when Pakistan declared the Community to be non-Muslim.
Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad(rh)
In addition to his many notable achievements, Hazrat Tahir Ahmad launched the first Muslim satellite television network.
Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(at)
As the current Khalifa, Hazrat Masroor Ahmad is guiding the Community through a time of great global skepticism and animosity towards Islam.
No clue. Never heard of them. Must be part of a club
@@matthewmatthew1709fastest growing sect of Islam worldwide , look them up.
Wo mahzaz thy zamany main Muslman ho kar.
Tum kwar hohay tarik e QUR'AN ho kar.
Why should British Muslim need to study Ottoman History? I say this from the perspective that history is important for all students but Muslims don’t need a special syllabus to teach us how good or bad the Islamic kingdoms of the past were.
We’ve all left our ancestral homelands and came here to make a new life. We should let go of the old world and make a British Muslim identity.
The brother was allowed to just talk without really being challenged.
Haroon makes a very good point about the relevance of this subject to our everyday lives.
Talking about ancient empires, conquests and occupations only creates bad blood both between Muslims but also in relations with Non Muslims.
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If u don’t know ur history especially the ( the ottomans)
U can’t see ur future 👍👍👍
It was a disfunctional empire that could only go the way of defeat and shame. The closest thing to a modern time caliphate also didn't work out, unlike Britain which still has a Commonwealth and friends. Can't put my finger in why a califate might be a bad idea.
I find this man is saying alot and yet explaining nothing
Lol my thoughts exactly
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I get lies vibe , What are u talking about ?
What is the difference between nationality and the idea of being the chosen ppl ?
Turkey is another state of the still existing anglo empire.
The Armenians remember
Armenian PM Pasinyan : Turks didn't do genocide, it was Russian propaganda.
We simply don’t need a Caliphate. We have the nation state now. Even the poorest country can marshal more resources today and do things eg provide universal education and access to basic health services tvat Ottomans couldn’t do in the medieval period.
We should talk about subjects more relevant to our lives than an ancient empire!
It's clear that u haven't the magnificent achievements of the Otomon Caliphate. Maybe if u took the trouble to research this, you would appreciate their contributions
He is comfortable living in the uk. He loves his 9-5. He doesn’t care about changing his comfort
The Islamic caliphate fell after the Mamluk state marginalized the Abbasid caliph, then the Ottoman state wrested power from the Abbasid caliph in Egypt, so the Muslims no longer had a caliph.
The Ottomans were sultans who invaded the Arab world with blood and took control of the Arab countries by invading the Levant and Egypt and overthrowing the Mamluk state
Religiously: The Turkish Ottomans encouraged the building of shrines and the supplication of the dead instead of the Creator, and from behaviors that distance Muslims from loving this state, which contradicts the constants of religion.
Ethnically: the Turks were racist towards the Arabs and had crimes against the Arabs, so a number of movements took place that contradicted the existence of the Ottoman Empire.
Historically: The beginning of the Ottoman Empire in the Arab countries began with a war that swept across the Arab countries and wrested the rule of the Islamic world from the Abbasid caliph and overthrew the Mamluk state.
Errors in religion and in racism and history.
The mamluks were Turks. They even called egypt back then Turkiye. Before the Ottomans entered the middle east the entire region was ruled by Turkic dynasties. Remember the seljuks Turks swept into the middle east 500 years before the Ottomans did. Turks had about 40 empires in history. After that point the Ottomans, Safavids and Muguls were all Turkic dynasties. The Turks are the Vikings of the Muslim world. The ruling class of the religion. Allah knows best.
this guy is an idiot. He is one these people who will always talk about arab superiority when it comes to islam. Talks about racism and history but is racist himself. If the turks were so "racist" towards the arabs, why did they stayed under them for 400 years and some even became voluntarily vassal states? Keep your hate in the gulf states. Arabs treat south east asians and somalis like slaves in the gulf states.
Can we leave Judgement of what Shirk is or what isn't Shirk to Allah swt? A bit of Humility before Allah swt The Judge is in my opinion called for.
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Excuse us friend but I must say that ur worse than a pinnoChios
The Ottoman empire was not a Khilafah. The Sultans where not from Quraish and many left Islam due to major Kufr and Shirk like abandoning the Shariah or extreme Sufi practices such as grave worshipping or dua to "saints" or the prophet ﷺ.
what a bs... Here we have another gentleman deciding who is muslim, kuffar etc. Allah knows the best and he will judge us all. So be careful with your words.
True. Be careful what u say
Ottoman Muslim Turk here born in Constantinople, which the MOON and STAR ISLAMIC sign you use today came from, The Romans. WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
As a turk, do not claim ottomans as a muslim empire. It was a turkic empire that was founded by turks, developed by turks and started to decline when they neglected the turks. We as turkish youth do not want anything remotely related to islam.
You are a minority incubated in Western Matrix human baby pods for the past 100 years. Rest of the 1000 years, Turks were Muslim and still are. Look at your MOON AND STAR FLAG and you will understand.
I agree that the Ottomans neglected the Turks but we are muslim and followers of islam.
@@azovianace Then you will always remain the minority under the flag of Moon and Crescent which we Turks took from Constantinopolis.
@@alp2ccc138 crescent moon and the star are most definitely turkic symbols far outdate islamic use. Turkic history and culture is much bigger than the egoist arabic religion's ego can handle.