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You girls are possibly the only reactors out there that give a chance to all characters and not just pick a side and hate on the other one for the rest of the show, i love that about you, keep it up!
@@Hear.myvoice I get them trying to make her the good character but why do you want her to be bad? or what actions of hers would make her seem bad? I think in season 1 she was young which breeds rebelliousness, I just curious about the “washed” do you not want her shown in a good light? Or what would you like to see different?
@@_Josh_98 That's what I'm talking about... There is no good or bad there are humans in this story. And that's the heart of it. Not the heroes vs villians nonsense.
I really like how Lola and Milena consider absolutely every point and don't go headlong on one side, it's impressive, and even more so in a show where it's very easy to fall into the "etiquette" and flag of which side is good or the bad, who is crueler than the other. Cheers girls.
I agree with you ladies, the Aemond scene was difficult to watch, his only safe space where he can express/show his true vulnerability to be discovered, destroyed and to top it off , to be publicly humiliated by HIS own brother was both disturbing and heartbreaking to watch. I can only say that, Aegon is extremely lucky his ranking as king is above Aemond’s, if it was anyone else he would have quickly injured/killed them. Aemond’s act of confidently walking away, appearing unaffected was a controlled and smart move, however I wouldn’t be surprised if Aemond does some how eventually repay Aegon for this humiliation.
Exactly aemond always puts this facade on except when he's with sylvie, even put it perfectly as he was very affected by him and you could see that on his face when his back is turned but as soon as he turns to aegon the facade is back on, a perfect use of nudity to help charcaterize aemond and enhance the scene
Aegon was nice to Aemond because he thought of him as loyal to him but we all know it is not completely true but he never acted on his want for taking Aegon's crown but on council meeting he mocked Aegon's bravery he did not like that then Larys got in his head and that his brother and mother want his to go and die so Aemond can be king like Otto did already so started doubting like another person who want betray me ? so when he found out Aemond in his safe place while being drunk of course it was Aegon think to mock him as a revenge and because that is how Aegon is so i cannot blame Aegon fully people go against him mock him , call him names,slap him, and then regret .
@@jjosifovic In terms of morality? Probably. But Criston doesn't have the charisma to make people love him regardless of his actions so he gets the worse rep.
I mean he wasn't last episode. People just hated him so they found a reason to hate him more in every scene. And this episode where he's framed as more of a good guy people downgrade it to "ok so he's not the worst in every scene"
The thing about Daeron comes from in episode 8 of last season, when Viserys was like "I'm so happy to see all my children gathered here" and no one brings up that Daeron isn't there, lol. That and the show not bothering to mention that he exists until now is why it became a meme for book readers
'm I the only one ? or no reaction channel recognized Diana in that tavern scene. She was Aegon Maid sent away by Alicent because of "what happened to her"
@@fourth-dimensionalbeing9737 who knows the commoners condition ? Family ? Sick parent who can’t survive the journey across the continent ? her coin was stolen by a drunken dad or uncle ? She seemed worst then we last saw her and she is serving in what seems like a Flea bottom tavern. Who knows 🤷♂️
@@KrivitskyM No no it was deliberate she froze when the guy slapped her posterior and she acted distraught while serving Aegon when he was throwing peanuts at his squire but he didn't recognize her. (it's her)
23:30 actually yes!!! I watched this episode in a big tv screen, i could see a little black line next to the sun, i spotted the dragon right away, when she looks down, you can see a little light dot amongst the green reflecting the sun on their armours. Little details man, little details 😌
I know that this scene is over the top and it didn’t really make logistical sense, but I still really liked it. Not only are the actors both wonderful, the relationship between these two is at the core of the show. They needed to have another interaction before the fighting began, even if the circumstances don’t quite make sense. Sometimes it’s worth “jumping the shark”, if only for a brief moment, in exchange for a great scene.
The dialogue was really not worth the suspension of disbelief needed and the weird pacing. They meet later on anyway so having this placed in this episode was so unneeded. “Jumping the shark” is never a good idea and diminishes the quality of a show.
@@gee2541 I understand your criticism. I’m just someone who is usually not too bothered by “plot holes” in stories. Obviously it becomes a problem when there are so many that it breaks the logic of the world (don’t get me started on season 8). But in general, I think pointing out plot holes is the lowest kind of criticism. Critics who only ever talk about logical inconsistencies in a story are missing the bigger picture in my opinion. There is no right answer though. All art is subjective.
The golden dragon on the green banner is in honor to Aegon's dragon Sunfyre the golden, the most beautiful dragon in history and he will appear next episode🔥
Well the beautiful thing is definitely propaganda by the Maesters. Nonetheless the show fucked up by not capitalizing on that. They made freaking Moondancer look better than Sunfyre just going off the previews, what a waste. Sunfyre gets maimed and is all injured and fucked up after next episode, so they messed up by not introducing us to Sunfyre episodes prior and, like Caraxes, making it an iconic design that's fun to look at
An explanation of Daemon's dream is potentially that the version of Rhaneyra he saw was the more innocent version he fell in love with. And he sees how his crime has hurt her. But another proposed explanation could be that the version of Rhaenyra he sees is from back when Rhaenyra had no power over him.
What I love about you two is every series I’ve seen your reactions to, you are incredibly fair and are willing to look into the layers of all the characters you see. As someone who thinks Alicent is the best written character and extremely compelling it’s refreshing to see you appreciate her rather than just hate her ignoring her own situation and her reasons for doing what she did.
Yes ! I'm tired of people just saying she is a monster and diabolising all her actions even when she do no wrong. I've even see people saying she is worst than Cersei. What a joke. she is really well written but some people now only see things in black and white
@@aegnor2102 Yeah it is such terrible discourse out there when she is brought up lol. Lots of people ignore every single one of her layers and there’s so many reasons I could theorise on but at the end of the day it doesn’t make it any less annoying lmao.
@@jo0rd73 yes. People can't ampathize it's crazy. And when I see how people react in films or shows at characters actions or how they can't even try to understand why they do some things or try to push an agenda against characters when they do nothing, it make me think that I understand why there are so many conflicts in our world
criston is SO funny. the midlife (third-life? idk i know criston is supposed to be older but fabien frankel is like 30) crisis bangs….having a panic attack before his first day on the job…..getting microaggressed by alicent’s brother…..he’s really going through it.
I find Criston a pretty relative person. He is trying to do his best despite being (clearly) not prepared for the role he is ocupying. He is just a guy good for war, but not a good politician and clearly not very smart. But he isnt evil, he fell in love with Rhaenyra and now im sure he fell in love with Allicent, yes he makes horrible things, but most of them come from his inhability to control his emotions rather than evilness or ambition as many other characters. Overall he is a very human character, gray like Daemon or Aemond, but not so flashy, much more grounded to what a real human is. I find it weird how many people hates him, comparing him to characters like Joffrey or Twynn from GoT... I think Cole is what almost every real man would be if given his life and position... A dumbass
Rhaenys: "Otto Hightower would never have allowed this" Lola: "That's true it was too dumb." Meanwhile, Otto, 4 episodes ago: "Lord Commander Westerling, take your knights to Dragonstone. Be quick and be clean."
She was talking about his wits not his morals !! Otto would not have allowed it now. but he would have when he had the chance to end Rhaenera's claim before she has any support.
@@Drew-po6juexactly they would just let him in especially after that dinner where it seemed like alicent and rhaenyra were starting to mend their friendship
lol another moron thinking he is smart. Rhaenyra was oblivious of the kings death at that time. Westerling could have traveled to dragonstone and got an audience with the queen to be. They would have welcomed him with open arms! a bit different then sending a lone assasin when the war has started, wouldnt you agree? :)
@@Drew-po6ju I think this would hardly work even if the assassins were able to get to Dragonstone before Rhaenys. This could even help Rhaenyra claim to the throne, more houses would support her.
Yes but Alicent managed to get to Aegon before her father during the coup. She could try to convince him to respect his father's request and try to reach an agreement with Rhaenyra
The Blackwoods and Brackens actually appeared last season too when Rhaenyra was at Storm's End looking for potential marriage suiters. One of the Blackwoods proposed a marriage pact with Rhaenyra and a Bracken insulted him in front of her which caused a duel. The two side have presumably been at each others throats until the legal justification arose to start a fight.
You cant win oscar for a series, it would be an Emmy. Also i think Anthony Starr deserves it this year. Probably they will put Emma Darcy in the female category.
As I saw in twitter. That last scene between Rhaenyra and Alicent is the equivalent of Catelyn Stark and Cersei Lannister talking to each other after Ned was killed and Jaime was captured. Made absolutely no sense how she was able to just sneak away, and made absolutely no sense that if Alicent was all about stopping the war that she wouldn't just give up Rhaenyra right there after all avenues were exhausted. I'm glad the scene happened though, because if from now on, even for a second Rhaenyra starts to doubt her actions then I'm just dropping the show like a sack of potatoes. Because if they were willing to do such a nonsense scene just to bury the hatchet on the whole Aegon thing, Rhaenyra better be raining hell from Ep4 onwards.
Ryan Condal the producer of the show stated in an interview that Daemon saw young Rhaenrya because she was around that age when he made his first big decision that destroyed her life, and they were talking about when he abandons her and marries Laena and goes to pentos for 10 years. In those 10 years, Rhaenrya's life was hell staying in KL and being emotionally abused by Alicent. She felt alone because he was not with her, it's Daemon's first big regret. Daemon's arc this season will be about him confronting his choices that ultimately hurt the one person he cares about most: Rhaenrya.
I think Rhaenyra placing her sons in the care of Rhaena is more a move out of desperation than it is a statement about her views on gender roles. Unfortunately Rhaena is putting the same pressure on Rhaena that her parents put on her to be a mother but in this instance, it's more because she is forced into the position where she doesn't trust anyone else.
FINALLY some reactors that don't hate Alicent and can stan both black and green teams!! I love your reactions and I feel the same about Rhaenyra and Alicent, they're the most powerful here. They day they allie, it will be the next step to finish the war.
I thought the way they rushed Rhaenyra over to King's Landing this episode felt strangely forced, but I guess it was probably worth the weirdness to get another scene between her and Alicent
This season has been really good at showing the ordinary people, at least aside from the main family. The con artist in the pub, the blacksmith's family earlier, all suffer or take advantage of the situations their rulers put them in.
I could feel you both 😭 the encounter between Alicent and Rhaenyra was MONUMENTAL! Even the episode's director Geeta Vasant Patel emphasized of how important and iconic this scene was, and to be honest Alicent's reaction does make sense. The director said usually when any humans hears the real deal about something that they have been considering as truth, no one accepts it at first instance.... it's after much contemplation do they realise of how wrong they were
The girl you saw in Harrenhal is a character by the name of Alys Rivers. She is quite an interesting and mysterious figure in the book and I won’t spoil it for you but her story is connected to other characters besides Daemon later on 👀 That’ll be in season three. It’s interesting that you enjoy the pacing as that’s one of the show’s main faults imo. This season was supposed to be ten episodes but HBO only gave them eight which is why they’re trying to hit key moments as fast as possible and we don’t get to let events breathe. Compare this to Game of Thrones where the pacing was so much better and you could have great and emotional dialogue with characters sitting at a table talking. Honestly probably one of my least favorite episodes of the whole show personally; really didn’t like the Rhaenyra/Alicent scene. The way it was structured felt rather silly and the whole set-up was also hard to take seriously. I don’t see why Rhaenyra would place herself in such a vulnerable position. It’s a HUGE risk. I also dislike the idea that women are naturally these pacifists who seek peace and don’t want to spill blood - the men in the episodes are being framed as impulsive and unwise but they’re right. The time to act is NOW and Rhaenyra didn’t suggest any actual terms for peace. Did she just expect Alicent to convince the Greens Aegon should give the throne to Rhaenyra? It feels naive and is poor writing in my opinion. The “misunderstanding” with the prophecy isn’t even as important as the show is making it out to be since Otto was still planning on making Aegon king. I have to say I’ve noticed a clear decline in quality with the writing from last season to this one. Hopefully the next ones are better.
I hope they give Jace more protagonism and role as prince, in the books for example he is the one that sends Rhaena and the boys to the Vale. The blacks counsel made me so nervous hahaha, it's pure chaos and Rhaenyra seems lost , hope He has a voice later in the season. I also didnt like the point of Rhaenyra trying to make peace again I thought that was lost with luke's and the little kid death and it was perfect. Bringing azor ahai... seems forced. Love the reaction!
I am always blown away when I see your reactions. HOTD delivers a great story, but it demands a lot from the viewer: attention, nuance, and good will… things that are very hard to find online. You, on the other hand, deliver that and more. It's so refreshing to find people who try to understand ALL the characters and appreciate all the nuance and humanity that the writers have worked so hard to create (and sadly - sometimes annoyingly - ignored by the public and especially the fandom). GREAT JOB, girls! Keep it up! ❤️❤️❤️
Rhaenys calling out Jaehaerys name was so stupid and so funny book wise she was made ''Queen who never was'' because of Jaeherys he preferred men and would never support Rhaenyra
@@BhlackBishop No she said she is wearing his crown so she deserve respect for some reaso and claim but what that have to do it what Rhaenyra idk he would never choose Rhaenyra jusr like he never chose Rhaenys because it only cause wae but Jaherys was not Viserys fhe dumbass
Really good episode, the conversation between them was good.. but Rhaenyra beimg able to sneak into King's landing in a post Jaeherys beheading felt like such a jump the shark moment that i could not get into the scene at all
@BhlackBishop you can slice it up however you please, for me it just took me too far out. Neither party deserved to have that conversation, that clarity.
@@Krossiant That's just called being unreasonable and close minded. It's not the 21st century that you're used to. Unless they have facial recognition or physically check the faces of everyone in a city with a million population by 1000 or so gold cloaks then I don't see why you expect fort Knox type security from this lot.
Moondancer swooping in while the greens run for their life, reminded me a little about getting caught on a train trestle while the train is bearing down
Alecent knows that she misunderstood now, but she has to double down on the lie because there's too much momentum toward war now. If she tried backing out, she'd be marginalized by her son and advisors and be completely out of influence. She's committed now and she knows it's built on a mistake.
I think what shook the door is supposed to be the Ghost of Harrenhal. It's a thing. Actually at this time in history, there are only two Aegons; Aegon I aka Aegon the Conqueror and Aegon II which is Viserys and Alicent's son. The Conqueror has been dead for a VERY long time. There was no way for Alicent to know Viserys was talking about him especially since he never told her about the SOIAF. We know what happens to Rhaenyra. Joffrey told the viewers about her end in GoT.
@@BhlackBishop Well would've been cool if the show actually shown it. In this universe, smashing someone's skull shouldn't be a particular skill. I expect more of him
Aemond is badass obviously, I disagree alot with lola on that , he has a vulnerable side like most do but he’s also one of the best swordsman in the realm and ride the largest dragon in the world and is ruthless like Daemon in that regard, tho Daemon is the most badass in the realm…Aemond is second in terms of swordmanship and his dragon.
I think Matt Smith is the first name in the intro because he has appeared in the most episodes out of anyone, equal to Otto I believe, but I'm not sure either way
It's probably because he's the best-known actor in the cast and has the most professional clout... That's true for the order of most cast listings, but not all of them.
If alicent truly believed what viserys said, then she has proved again she's utterly stupid, nothing viserys said pointed out he wants aegon on the throne, Alicent interpreted it as she likes since many years ago she wanted aegon to rule, she poisoned her kids against her & it doesn't make sense she wasn't aware her father was planning that since many years before, Otto didn't hide his intention from her. Their friendship is so stupidly & inconsistently written & so forced
Im sorry but I had to love st Rhaenys mentioning Jaehaerys. First Jaeherys didnt choose her or her son to success him even when shes his firstborns daughter. Second she literally and unnecessarily burst through the earth killing dozens of innocent people during Aegons coronation. And now shes Team Peace?😂
I think your take is the most level-headed one in the middle of all the (team black or team green) craziness. Because this is the tragic story of a family, you're not supposed to root for one side over the other, or to want one side dead. I LOVE your reactions
I'm starting to think house Strong is tied to witchcraft and dark magic of some kind. She might be one of those red priestesses of Ashai, that woman who told Daemon he would die there. Is that lord Stong's daughter? I can't tell
Buenas Noches, And to calm hormones, Rhaenys raises her grandfather, King Jaehaerys, knowing that it was precisely he who took away her right to the Throne... and all this display of conscience, to defend his Queen with mastery and honor; I never felt like a Queen who wasn't, with so much right to rule
Im definitely inclined to believe Daemon will die at Harrenhall based on the fact every witch in Westeros seems to be pretty accurate with their prophecies. I mean, maybe he'll die at the age of 85 in bed while visiting a dear friend. But this being Westeros, Daemon being Daemon and the necessities of dramatic storytelling I imagine it will be more cinematic than that.
helaena saying "i forgive you" in the prophetic tense has me so........ theres so much boring surface level stuff (criston) to be forgiving her for but i feel like with helaena its always deeper.
Knowing what happend and what will come, I can confidently say that there are only two really good people in HOTD except for the children, the old king Jehaerys I Targaryen and Lord Cregan Stark The rest deserve each other
The only reactors who atleast don't act like twitter stans and go yass girl slay kween 😂 and i am grateful for that becos unfortunately showrunners have ruined the very essence of the story and playing it as some feminist girl power story which isn't what it was about. To whitewash one side and to narrate the story from only one pov is atrocious we see the other side also from their opposition's pov and that's exactly where the story fell flat on face anyone who is able to interpret fiction beyond surface level and isn't a cult follower or a casual and can analyse and interpret will be disappointed how this is being shown. Also in their lame attempt to link it to GOT they r doing the prophecy clownery 😂 trying so hard to give a dany doppelganger. This is CW level modern writing catering to sm generation and for sm what a waste
I dont see Criston as a pathetic person, I think he is a very simple man with a huge problem to control his emotions. He was not born to be in such political positions, he is good fighting and commanding an army because in a peace age, he is one of the few who has fought many wars. But he isnt pathetic nor evil, his sins are all born from his emotions wich cant control. I just find it amazing how many people hate him or compare him to characters like Joffrey or Twynn lannister.
For another dragon show, check out the film, "Reign of Fire" (2002) with Christian Bale and Matthew McConaughey. Note: You might have a hard time recognizing McConaughey. Its not a medieval like HotD show since it takes place in modern times, but with world conquering dragons.
Also I’m sorry I know they have been trying to make Rhaenys the older wiser woman that speaks truth but I personally could never take her seriously after that dumbass nonsensical mess that was her blowing up the ground of the coronation. If you want to make a character appear wise, maybe don’t make them do the dumbest shit possible, IDK.
I thought that was supposed to show that Targaryens don't really give af about the small folk. It wasn't dumb from her perspective because she suffered no consequences by doing that.
@@seanyoung9014 No the scene was only put in there for shock value and because the head writer thought it would look cool. She already confirmed that as being the reason. The theory that it was supposed to show that Targs don’t care about small folk was a theory some fans clung to to try and rationalize that scene, but there is no rationalizing stupidity. Rhaenys is clearly supposed to the morally correct character, and the one that doesn’t want violence, she just spent these last 3 eps trying to stop senseless killing, that’s why having that dumbass moment in S1 completely negates everything she is saying now. I can’t take her seriously at all, and it’s purely the writers fault.
Hi Lola, Hi Milena, it's back to the Dragon show. Damn, I wish Baela had unleashed some dragon fire on Christian Coles a** ! The last scenes between Alicent and Rhaenyra were great. Larys is such a conniving snake in the grass, low level Littlefinger. Looking forward to the wars to come. ✌
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You girls are possibly the only reactors out there that give a chance to all characters and not just pick a side and hate on the other one for the rest of the show, i love that about you, keep it up!
True but this show espeically this episode really tries to wash Rhaenyra in every way... I have to admit it even if she is my favourite.
@@Hear.myvoicein what way ?
@@_Josh_98 The show tries to make her the good character and I hate it because that's not why I loved her in season 1.
@@Hear.myvoice I get them trying to make her the good character but why do you want her to be bad? or what actions of hers would make her seem bad? I think in season 1 she was young which breeds rebelliousness, I just curious about the “washed” do you not want her shown in a good light? Or what would you like to see different?
@@_Josh_98 That's what I'm talking about... There is no good or bad there are humans in this story. And that's the heart of it. Not the heroes vs villians nonsense.
I really like how Lola and Milena consider absolutely every point and don't go headlong on one side, it's impressive, and even more so in a show where it's very easy to fall into the "etiquette" and flag of which side is good or the bad, who is crueler than the other. Cheers girls.
I agree with you ladies, the Aemond scene was difficult to watch, his only safe space where he can express/show his true vulnerability to be discovered, destroyed and to top it off , to be publicly humiliated by HIS own brother was both disturbing and heartbreaking to watch.
I can only say that, Aegon is extremely lucky his ranking as king is above Aemond’s, if it was anyone else he would have quickly injured/killed them. Aemond’s act of confidently walking away, appearing unaffected was a controlled and smart move, however I wouldn’t be surprised if Aemond does some how eventually repay Aegon for this humiliation.
Exactly aemond always puts this facade on except when he's with sylvie, even put it perfectly as he was very affected by him and you could see that on his face when his back is turned but as soon as he turns to aegon the facade is back on, a perfect use of nudity to help charcaterize aemond and enhance the scene
Aegon was nice to Aemond because he thought of him as loyal to him but we all know it is not completely true but he never acted on his want for taking Aegon's crown but on council meeting he mocked Aegon's bravery he did not like that then Larys got in his head and that his brother and mother want his to go and die so Aemond can be king like Otto did already so started doubting like another person who want betray me ? so when he found out Aemond in his safe place while being drunk of course it was Aegon think to mock him as a revenge and because that is how Aegon is so i cannot blame Aegon fully people go against him mock him , call him names,slap him, and then regret .
Oh he does. Aemond has his moment in the sun.
During the battle at Rook's Rest Aemond and Vhagar are the only ones that come out unscathed, I think this is where he repays Aegon.
That guy stomps Aegon and his dragon
Rare episode where Cristan Cole isnt the worst person in every scene
And Milly Alcock returned! It's like we're back in the first half of season 1
lol really i thought daemon was the worst person in every episode n every scene
@@jjosifovic In terms of morality? Probably. But Criston doesn't have the charisma to make people love him regardless of his actions so he gets the worse rep.
What's interesting is, Cole's worst behavior is DRIVEN by his low self-esteem and shame. Nobody hates Cole, more than Cole!!!
I mean he wasn't last episode. People just hated him so they found a reason to hate him more in every scene. And this episode where he's framed as more of a good guy people downgrade it to "ok so he's not the worst in every scene"
The thing about Daeron comes from in episode 8 of last season, when Viserys was like "I'm so happy to see all my children gathered here" and no one brings up that Daeron isn't there, lol. That and the show not bothering to mention that he exists until now is why it became a meme for book readers
I really liked a line of Daemon’s this episode, “men should obey their liege lord, no matter his condition.” No way he isn’t thinking of Viserys.
You guys understand this show more than any other reactor i watch, love it!❤
'm I the only one ? or no reaction channel recognized Diana in that tavern scene. She was Aegon Maid sent away by Alicent because of "what happened to her"
when I saw her I was like: "why are you still in King's Landing?! go move to Old town or something"
@@fourth-dimensionalbeing9737 who knows the commoners condition ? Family ? Sick parent who can’t survive the journey across the continent ? her coin was stolen by a drunken dad or uncle ? She seemed worst then we last saw her and she is serving in what seems like a Flea bottom tavern. Who knows 🤷♂️
Probably isn't supposed to be her character. GoT had plenty of reused extras / actors for minor characters.
They're really bad with faces. yeah she was the one Alicent had to send away.
@@KrivitskyM No no it was deliberate she froze when the guy slapped her posterior and she acted distraught while serving Aegon when he was throwing peanuts at his squire but he didn't recognize her. (it's her)
23:30 actually yes!!! I watched this episode in a big tv screen, i could see a little black line next to the sun, i spotted the dragon right away, when she looks down, you can see a little light dot amongst the green reflecting the sun on their armours. Little details man, little details 😌
I know that this scene is over the top and it didn’t really make logistical sense, but I still really liked it. Not only are the actors both wonderful, the relationship between these two is at the core of the show. They needed to have another interaction before the fighting began, even if the circumstances don’t quite make sense. Sometimes it’s worth “jumping the shark”, if only for a brief moment, in exchange for a great scene.
The dialogue was really not worth the suspension of disbelief needed and the weird pacing. They meet later on anyway so having this placed in this episode was so unneeded. “Jumping the shark” is never a good idea and diminishes the quality of a show.
Heavy disagree. If a scene doesn't make sense, then it shouldn't happen at all, regardless of the "need" for it to happen.
@@gee2541 I understand your criticism. I’m just someone who is usually not too bothered by “plot holes” in stories. Obviously it becomes a problem when there are so many that it breaks the logic of the world (don’t get me started on season 8). But in general, I think pointing out plot holes is the lowest kind of criticism. Critics who only ever talk about logical inconsistencies in a story are missing the bigger picture in my opinion. There is no right answer though. All art is subjective.
How didn't it make "logistical sense" it was a great scene
The golden dragon on the green banner is in honor to Aegon's dragon Sunfyre the golden, the most beautiful dragon in history and he will appear next episode🔥
If 90% of the reactors dont go "Oooh that's a beautiful dragon", you know someone did a bad job😭
It's a travesty we haven't seen him so far...
tell us the plot of the next episode while you're at it
Well the beautiful thing is definitely propaganda by the Maesters. Nonetheless the show fucked up by not capitalizing on that. They made freaking Moondancer look better than Sunfyre just going off the previews, what a waste. Sunfyre gets maimed and is all injured and fucked up after next episode, so they messed up by not introducing us to Sunfyre episodes prior and, like Caraxes, making it an iconic design that's fun to look at
@@BhlackBishop If that's your wish🤭
An explanation of Daemon's dream is potentially that the version of Rhaneyra he saw was the more innocent version he fell in love with. And he sees how his crime has hurt her. But another proposed explanation could be that the version of Rhaenyra he sees is from back when Rhaenyra had no power over him.
I saw it more as a representation of guilt. She's been cleaning up/paying for his messes and mistakes since she was a child.
@@elioharringtonalong with his guilt for grooming her, maybe
What I love about you two is every series I’ve seen your reactions to, you are incredibly fair and are willing to look into the layers of all the characters you see. As someone who thinks Alicent is the best written character and extremely compelling it’s refreshing to see you appreciate her rather than just hate her ignoring her own situation and her reasons for doing what she did.
Yes ! I'm tired of people just saying she is a monster and diabolising all her actions even when she do no wrong. I've even see people saying she is worst than Cersei. What a joke. she is really well written but some people now only see things in black and white
@@aegnor2102 Yeah it is such terrible discourse out there when she is brought up lol. Lots of people ignore every single one of her layers and there’s so many reasons I could theorise on but at the end of the day it doesn’t make it any less annoying lmao.
@@jo0rd73 yes. People can't ampathize it's crazy. And when I see how people react in films or shows at characters actions or how they can't even try to understand why they do some things or try to push an agenda against characters when they do nothing, it make me think that I understand why there are so many conflicts in our world
@@aegnor2102 Yeah exactly, tribalism is easily sparked between people. It’s extremely unfortunate.
criston is SO funny. the midlife (third-life? idk i know criston is supposed to be older but fabien frankel is like 30) crisis bangs….having a panic attack before his first day on the job…..getting microaggressed by alicent’s brother…..he’s really going through it.
Criston is close in age to Daemon, who is nearing 50 by this point.
alicent siccing gwayne on criston is so funny she knew it would drive him crazy.... i feel no sympathy for that 50yo creep
@@Arctic_Starkthat’s what i thought! lmao i think it’s fun that he gets to be young and hot forever
I believe Criston was supposed to be around 24 in season 1 episode 1 so he should be around 46ish now.
I find Criston a pretty relative person. He is trying to do his best despite being (clearly) not prepared for the role he is ocupying.
He is just a guy good for war, but not a good politician and clearly not very smart. But he isnt evil, he fell in love with Rhaenyra and now im sure he fell in love with Allicent, yes he makes horrible things, but most of them come from his inhability to control his emotions rather than evilness or ambition as many other characters. Overall he is a very human character, gray like Daemon or Aemond, but not so flashy, much more grounded to what a real human is.
I find it weird how many people hates him, comparing him to characters like Joffrey or Twynn from GoT... I think Cole is what almost every real man would be if given his life and position... A dumbass
Rhaenys: "Otto Hightower would never have allowed this"
Lola: "That's true it was too dumb."
Meanwhile, Otto, 4 episodes ago: "Lord Commander Westerling, take your knights to Dragonstone. Be quick and be clean."
Team black in that 4 episodes ago was not aware of Viserys death. Otto surprise assassination towards the black would’ve ended the war.
She was talking about his wits not his morals !! Otto would not have allowed it now. but he would have when he had the chance to end Rhaenera's claim before she has any support.
@@Drew-po6juexactly they would just let him in especially after that dinner where it seemed like alicent and rhaenyra were starting to mend their friendship
lol another moron thinking he is smart. Rhaenyra was oblivious of the kings death at that time. Westerling could have traveled to dragonstone and got an audience with the queen to be. They would have welcomed him with open arms! a bit different then sending a lone assasin when the war has started, wouldnt you agree? :)
@@Drew-po6ju I think this would hardly work even if the assassins were able to get to Dragonstone before Rhaenys. This could even help Rhaenyra claim to the throne, more houses would support her.
Otto was going to take the throne anyway. Didn't matter if Alicent was wrong
Yes but Alicent managed to get to Aegon before her father during the coup. She could try to convince him to respect his father's request and try to reach an agreement with Rhaenyra
@@amitkenan3878 And since when did men listen to women in this time?
@@gradybridges He listened to her when she told him not to be friends with Rhaenyra's children, right?
@@amitkenan3878 What? this makes no sense and not relevant to the patriarchy in Westeros
The Blackwoods and Brackens actually appeared last season too when Rhaenyra was at Storm's End looking for potential marriage suiters. One of the Blackwoods proposed a marriage pact with Rhaenyra and a Bracken insulted him in front of her which caused a duel. The two side have presumably been at each others throats until the legal justification arose to start a fight.
The acting by Olivia Cooke and Emma D'Arcy is incredibly good. They both deserve an Oscar.
They have better chances of getting Emmys, hahaha!
You cant win oscar for a series, it would be an Emmy. Also i think Anthony Starr deserves it this year. Probably they will put Emma Darcy in the female category.
It was ok.
Nothing to write home about.
Give them a Balon d'Or.
I’ve been saying Olivia Cooke deserves an Oscar since her performance in Thoroughbreds
@@happyslapsgiving5421there’s always one comment like this no matter how good something is lol
As I saw in twitter. That last scene between Rhaenyra and Alicent is the equivalent of Catelyn Stark and Cersei Lannister talking to each other after Ned was killed and Jaime was captured. Made absolutely no sense how she was able to just sneak away, and made absolutely no sense that if Alicent was all about stopping the war that she wouldn't just give up Rhaenyra right there after all avenues were exhausted. I'm glad the scene happened though, because if from now on, even for a second Rhaenyra starts to doubt her actions then I'm just dropping the show like a sack of potatoes. Because if they were willing to do such a nonsense scene just to bury the hatchet on the whole Aegon thing, Rhaenyra better be raining hell from Ep4 onwards.
You must not have any idea what actually happens in this story. There's not going to be any peace for anyone.
Aegon really is as fearsome as any of them. You will see.
Ryan Condal the producer of the show stated in an interview that Daemon saw young Rhaenrya because she was around that age when he made his first big decision that destroyed her life, and they were talking about when he abandons her and marries Laena and goes to pentos for 10 years. In those 10 years, Rhaenrya's life was hell staying in KL and being emotionally abused by Alicent. She felt alone because he was not with her, it's Daemon's first big regret. Daemon's arc this season will be about him confronting his choices that ultimately hurt the one person he cares about most: Rhaenrya.
if you listen carefully when Alicent is praying alone in the sept, you can hear the priest chanting "Gospode Pomiluj" xD
You two are becoming one of my fav duo reactors to HOTD! 👍🏾
Your reaction to the Alicent and Rhaenyra scene is the best I've seen out of the half dozen I've watched so far.
Always have to wait for your reactions. Watched like 10 minutes of normies and couldn't stand it.
😂...what was the last straw?
Well at least you know what you get when you watch "The Normies".
like every reactor of this show switch off their brains before starting this show, except lola & milena.
I think Rhaenyra placing her sons in the care of Rhaena is more a move out of desperation than it is a statement about her views on gender roles. Unfortunately Rhaena is putting the same pressure on Rhaena that her parents put on her to be a mother but in this instance, it's more because she is forced into the position where she doesn't trust anyone else.
The order in which actors appear in the credits is a contractual matter!
Can you elaborate on this?
It's nice to see them lean into the idea of Harrenhal being cursed/haunted this episode. Very spooky.
lol your eyes are elsewhere when aemond stands
FINALLY some reactors that don't hate Alicent and can stan both black and green teams!! I love your reactions and I feel the same about Rhaenyra and Alicent, they're the most powerful here. They day they allie, it will be the next step to finish the war.
I don’t know if you two noticed, but three of those eggs Rhaenyra sent with Rhaena are Drogon, Rhaegal, and Viserion’s.
thank u, you’re the smartest reactors of this series.. love the reaction ❤️
I thought the way they rushed Rhaenyra over to King's Landing this episode felt strangely forced, but I guess it was probably worth the weirdness to get another scene between her and Alicent
This season has been really good at showing the ordinary people, at least aside from the main family. The con artist in the pub, the blacksmith's family earlier, all suffer or take advantage of the situations their rulers put them in.
I could feel you both 😭 the encounter between Alicent and Rhaenyra was MONUMENTAL! Even the episode's director Geeta Vasant Patel emphasized of how important and iconic this scene was, and to be honest Alicent's reaction does make sense. The director said usually when any humans hears the real deal about something that they have been considering as truth, no one accepts it at first instance.... it's after much contemplation do they realise of how wrong they were
The girl you saw in Harrenhal is a character by the name of Alys Rivers. She is quite an interesting and mysterious figure in the book and I won’t spoil it for you but her story is connected to other characters besides Daemon later on 👀 That’ll be in season three. It’s interesting that you enjoy the pacing as that’s one of the show’s main faults imo. This season was supposed to be ten episodes but HBO only gave them eight which is why they’re trying to hit key moments as fast as possible and we don’t get to let events breathe. Compare this to Game of Thrones where the pacing was so much better and you could have great and emotional dialogue with characters sitting at a table talking. Honestly probably one of my least favorite episodes of the whole show personally; really didn’t like the Rhaenyra/Alicent scene. The way it was structured felt rather silly and the whole set-up was also hard to take seriously. I don’t see why Rhaenyra would place herself in such a vulnerable position. It’s a HUGE risk. I also dislike the idea that women are naturally these pacifists who seek peace and don’t want to spill blood - the men in the episodes are being framed as impulsive and unwise but they’re right. The time to act is NOW and Rhaenyra didn’t suggest any actual terms for peace. Did she just expect Alicent to convince the Greens Aegon should give the throne to Rhaenyra? It feels naive and is poor writing in my opinion. The “misunderstanding” with the prophecy isn’t even as important as the show is making it out to be since Otto was still planning on making Aegon king. I have to say I’ve noticed a clear decline in quality with the writing from last season to this one. Hopefully the next ones are better.
I hope they give Jace more protagonism and role as prince, in the books for example he is the one that sends Rhaena and the boys to the Vale. The blacks counsel made me so nervous hahaha, it's pure chaos and Rhaenyra seems lost , hope He has a voice later in the season. I also didnt like the point of Rhaenyra trying to make peace again I thought that was lost with luke's and the little kid death and it was perfect. Bringing azor ahai... seems forced.
Love the reaction!
I wonder how else you guys think Rhaenys could’ve escaped with her dragon. she had no other way to get the dragon out other than to crash the ceiling.
Why is the guy in harrenhall (I can't remember his name right now) my favorite character?
Who daemon ?
@@glockbabyap3883 the guy just wanting to eat his cabbage and peas LOL
Simon Strong, he is the castellan of Harrenhall because Larys Strong is at King's Landing.
@@frnknstndrgqn He is the castle keeper for Larys basically.
I am always blown away when I see your reactions. HOTD delivers a great story, but it demands a lot from the viewer: attention, nuance, and good will… things that are very hard to find online.
You, on the other hand, deliver that and more. It's so refreshing to find people who try to understand ALL the characters and appreciate all the nuance and humanity that the writers have worked so hard to create (and sadly - sometimes annoyingly - ignored by the public and especially the fandom).
GREAT JOB, girls! Keep it up! ❤️❤️❤️
I love Rhaenyra's look there at the end, validation, vindication and a renewed sense of purpose.
"😖....ah I DONT KNOW" at 31:17 😂 Milena was so stressed i love it
A war based on misunderstanding. Alicent was right, it is too late.
"... and dragons began to dance."
SPOILER ALERT :
Daemon will die in this place - Harrenhal.
Rhaenys calling out Jaehaerys name was so stupid and so funny book wise she was made ''Queen who never was'' because of Jaeherys he preferred men and would never support Rhaenyra
That's not what she meant. She's saying Rheanyra rules like Jaeherys who's last lasted the longest so have some faith in her
@@BhlackBishop No she said she is wearing his crown so she deserve respect for some reaso and claim but what that have to do it what Rhaenyra idk he would never choose Rhaenyra jusr like he never chose Rhaenys because it only cause wae but Jaherys was not Viserys fhe dumbass
Rhaenys is such a funny character. Talking about whats right and wrong... after killing 100+ Innocent people lol.
we love our unbiased queens ❤
Really good episode, the conversation between them was good.. but Rhaenyra beimg able to sneak into King's landing in a post Jaeherys beheading felt like such a jump the shark moment that i could not get into the scene at all
Bro it's not like they have cameras and facial recognition. And the best security in the world is still useless if you have a man on the inside.
@BhlackBishop you can slice it up however you please, for me it just took me too far out. Neither party deserved to have that conversation, that clarity.
@@Krossiant That's just called being unreasonable and close minded. It's not the 21st century that you're used to. Unless they have facial recognition or physically check the faces of everyone in a city with a million population by 1000 or so gold cloaks then I don't see why you expect fort Knox type security from this lot.
i think you guys are the only people who should be allowed to watch this show. forever.
monsters anime fans! the next poll this month will have monster 😭❤️
Moondancer swooping in while the greens run for their life, reminded me a little about getting caught on a train trestle while the train is bearing down
Alecent knows that she misunderstood now, but she has to double down on the lie because there's too much momentum toward war now. If she tried backing out, she'd be marginalized by her son and advisors and be completely out of influence. She's committed now and she knows it's built on a mistake.
I think what shook the door is supposed to be the Ghost of Harrenhal. It's a thing. Actually at this time in history, there are only two Aegons; Aegon I aka Aegon the Conqueror and Aegon II which is Viserys and Alicent's son. The Conqueror has been dead for a VERY long time. There was no way for Alicent to know Viserys was talking about him especially since he never told her about the SOIAF. We know what happens to Rhaenyra. Joffrey told the viewers about her end in GoT.
Daemon and Rhaenyra’s also have a son Named Aegon but yeah they aren’t that many
love your reactions. people who appreciate Rhaenyra and Alicent are the ones who understand the story best. 🤩
Criston Cole being competent is a huge W.
May this continue until his death lmfao
....He's always been competent in battle just don't invite him to the strategy meeting
@@BhlackBishop Well would've been cool if the show actually shown it. In this universe, smashing someone's skull shouldn't be a particular skill. I expect more of him
@@bobisuncanny2760 ......he fought in the Dornish war and unseated Prince Daemon. That's why Rheanyra named him to the Kingsguard
Aemond is badass obviously, I disagree alot with lola on that , he has a vulnerable side like most do but he’s also one of the best swordsman in the realm and ride the largest dragon in the world and is ruthless like Daemon in that regard, tho Daemon is the most badass in the realm…Aemond is second in terms of swordmanship and his dragon.
Does nobody remember that Harrenhal is actually haunted?
I think Matt Smith is the first name in the intro because he has appeared in the most episodes out of anyone, equal to Otto I believe, but I'm not sure either way
It's probably because he's the best-known actor in the cast and has the most professional clout... That's true for the order of most cast listings, but not all of them.
Daemon has been in 12 episodes so far. He wasn't in 109. Otto has been in 11 episodes. He wasn't in 106 & 203.
Yeah, as everyone is saying, top billing goes to the biggest star. It also means he DEFINITELY got the largest paycheck in season 1.
Hi girls, I love your reactions, especially this one, haha. I've been following you since attack on titan. From Brazil 🇧🇷
If alicent truly believed what viserys said, then she has proved again she's utterly stupid, nothing viserys said pointed out he wants aegon on the throne, Alicent interpreted it as she likes since many years ago she wanted aegon to rule, she poisoned her kids against her & it doesn't make sense she wasn't aware her father was planning that since many years before, Otto didn't hide his intention from her. Their friendship is so stupidly & inconsistently written & so forced
Im sorry but I had to love st Rhaenys mentioning Jaehaerys. First Jaeherys didnt choose her or her son to success him even when shes his firstborns daughter. Second she literally and unnecessarily burst through the earth killing dozens of innocent people during Aegons coronation. And now shes Team Peace?😂
How are you missed this 'Господи помилуй "in the beginning of scene in septa 😂?
I think your take is the most level-headed one in the middle of all the (team black or team green) craziness. Because this is the tragic story of a family, you're not supposed to root for one side over the other, or to want one side dead. I LOVE your reactions
on a side note whats up with season 3 of the bear?
I MISSED Y'ALL FROM AOT, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU REACTED TO HOUSE OF THE DRAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well Otto can manipulate Aegon way easier than Aemond, that was showed in ep 1 but I agree with alot of what you guys said.
I'm starting to think house Strong is tied to witchcraft and dark magic of some kind. She might be one of those red priestesses of Ashai, that woman who told Daemon he would die there. Is that lord Stong's daughter? I can't tell
Buenas Noches, And to calm hormones, Rhaenys raises her grandfather, King Jaehaerys, knowing that it was precisely he who took away her right to the Throne... and all this display of conscience, to defend his Queen with mastery and honor; I never felt like a Queen who wasn't, with so much right to rule
Im definitely inclined to believe Daemon will die at Harrenhall based on the fact every witch in Westeros seems to be pretty accurate with their prophecies. I mean, maybe he'll die at the age of 85 in bed while visiting a dear friend. But this being Westeros, Daemon being Daemon and the necessities of dramatic storytelling I imagine it will be more cinematic than that.
The war didn't start based on misunderstanding, green council had already plotted against rhaenyra
You guys are the best
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1:00:52 Let them cook
Can you please react to succession? I believe it will climb to your top 5 series ever.
"There was fucking seven Aegons"🤣
The 100 mention in 2024…. those reactions made me subscribe to you guys
Love your guys accent. Obsessed ❤️❤️❤️
helaena saying "i forgive you" in the prophetic tense has me so........ theres so much boring surface level stuff (criston) to be forgiving her for but i feel like with helaena its always deeper.
baela better than me cause the way i would’ve dracarys that whole forest idc
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I love alicent
Knowing what happend and what will come, I can confidently say that there are only two really good people in HOTD except for the children, the old king Jehaerys I Targaryen and Lord Cregan Stark
The rest deserve each other
Don’t really matter who did what to who. Fact is we went to war. If it’s a lie, then we fight on that lie”- slim Charles
Girlss you should watch interview with the vampire!!!!!! It is so good and i bet you gonna love it
The lack of playlist is killing me
go for the bear SE 3
Everyone’s opinions are pissing me off this episode, but I know y’all have common sense, so I love you two.
Yay the dragon show!! 🤗🤗🤗
Dearon is coming next season ❤
The only reactors who atleast don't act like twitter stans and go yass girl slay kween 😂 and i am grateful for that becos unfortunately showrunners have ruined the very essence of the story and playing it as some feminist girl power story which isn't what it was about. To whitewash one side and to narrate the story from only one pov is atrocious we see the other side also from their opposition's pov and that's exactly where the story fell flat on face anyone who is able to interpret fiction beyond surface level and isn't a cult follower or a casual and can analyse and interpret will be disappointed how this is being shown. Also in their lame attempt to link it to GOT they r doing the prophecy clownery 😂 trying so hard to give a dany doppelganger. This is CW level modern writing catering to sm generation and for sm what a waste
I dont see Criston as a pathetic person, I think he is a very simple man with a huge problem to control his emotions. He was not born to be in such political positions, he is good fighting and commanding an army because in a peace age, he is one of the few who has fought many wars. But he isnt pathetic nor evil, his sins are all born from his emotions wich cant control. I just find it amazing how many people hate him or compare him to characters like Joffrey or Twynn lannister.
Such a person who is unable to deal with his emotions properly should not be the commander of the king's guard, let alone the hand of the king
No he's pathetic, he never misses any opportunity to call Rheanyra names like they're still in middle school or something
Perfect opportunity to execute Rheneyra gone to waste. The king wouldn't take likely to Alicent if he ever finds out.
For another dragon show, check out the film, "Reign of Fire" (2002) with Christian Bale and Matthew McConaughey. Note: You might have a hard time recognizing McConaughey. Its not a medieval like HotD show since it takes place in modern times, but with world conquering dragons.
daeron is the best of alicents children. the only sane one of the bunch we can say.
The showrunner of this episode confirm that the eggs what appears are the sames of GoT. Yes, are Daenerys's eggs.
Biggest "ups" in the world😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Also I’m sorry I know they have been trying to make Rhaenys the older wiser woman that speaks truth but I personally could never take her seriously after that dumbass nonsensical mess that was her blowing up the ground of the coronation. If you want to make a character appear wise, maybe don’t make them do the dumbest shit possible, IDK.
I thought that was supposed to show that Targaryens don't really give af about the small folk. It wasn't dumb from her perspective because she suffered no consequences by doing that.
@@seanyoung9014 No the scene was only put in there for shock value and because the head writer thought it would look cool. She already confirmed that as being the reason. The theory that it was supposed to show that Targs don’t care about small folk was a theory some fans clung to to try and rationalize that scene, but there is no rationalizing stupidity. Rhaenys is clearly supposed to the morally correct character, and the one that doesn’t want violence, she just spent these last 3 eps trying to stop senseless killing, that’s why having that dumbass moment in S1 completely negates everything she is saying now. I can’t take her seriously at all, and it’s purely the writers fault.
@@nyeishaclark95 Hm okay
yeah that's dumb then
Will you one day react to Demon Slayer?🥹
Milena is so beautiful 🥰
Lol! Last time I checked, there are TWO smart, morally decent and beautiful ladies on this channel!
True but both are beautiful
Hi Lola, Hi Milena, it's back to the Dragon show. Damn, I wish Baela had unleashed some dragon fire on Christian Coles a** ! The last scenes between Alicent and Rhaenyra were great. Larys is such a conniving snake in the grass, low level Littlefinger. Looking forward to the wars to come. ✌
Considering Daemon is her dad, I almost expected her to burn down the forest just to get Cole.
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