Bernadette Roberts on why the Trinity is NOT in Christianity
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- In this video Bernadette sticks up for Nestorius, combats Trithiesm, and says Christianity is now too close to Hinduism. To purchase the entire 9 hour long discussion called "The Essence of Christian Mysticism" (which will go down in history as the most important contribution to fundamental and mystical theology of all time) visit here:
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She recorded this just after finishing her final masterpiece called "The Real Christ". The second half is literally mind-blowing.
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Below for the first time ever is a link to all her talks for free! Enjoy, study, share, and have hope for Christianity.
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What she says cuts to my core, very liberating:)
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Me parece que estos temas deberían ser mas virales, para que las personas conozcan mas y no se queden cerrados a una sola realidad.
This video has helped me a lot
She is so spot on...
Excelente video :)
I’m all for dialogue in everything. But she is dangerous, following the intellectual dictum:
“A little bit of knowledge is a very dangerous thing.”
I’ve listened much of three of her talks, totaling about an hour. Everybody has something to say.
But in her case, she is so wrong in so many areas that it comes across as not worth the time to find out any good insights that need more exploring. If you are really into anti-institutional way of life, check out Celtic Spirituality, Shintoism, or Richard Rohr. These at least make some sense.
I used to meditate and study Buddhism, Hinduism (advaita vendetta), Catholicism, Course of Miracles.
And this video she did below about the description of the path to god makes sense to me. Albeit I'm not there yet, who knows how many more years. Suffering has reduced lots though!
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You say you are for dialogue but you bring up no salient points. your comment amounts to not much more than mudslinging. You say she knows too little. What do you know that she does not and can you back it up with reason?
...and I just found out that she dismisses reincarnation also. Which saints like Ramana didn't do, neither did Buddha.
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Never have I heard anything so ridiculous. No citations to any of the church fathers statue references nor their writings. None of the emperors that she claims call together the councils, etc. this is basically historical fiction with an opinion on top of it.
Bernadette is speaking from a place of having walked the path. She's not attempting to be a scholar here. She even repeatedly says the church fathers got it wrong anyways.
Oh I'm sure you've heard more ridiculous stuff in the Bible. This is her understanding as someone who has walked the path of Christ, and not someone who has considered "church fathers" as being more important than Christ. Is she heretical? Sure, just like the man that billions of people pretend to follow.
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Sounds like new age to me
It´s funny you should say that because she did not hold much of the new age movement in high regard. She is SuperOrthodox.
It all depends what is understood by "new age", in a sense this is true New Age, if we understand that we are entering a new age of understanding, when everything that has been hidden is revealed, a time when de whole true is made known. The age of light. And in that sense she is just one between many, a remarkable one, that comes from the Catholic church, so her message dispell the many errors in which the catholic teology and doctrine have fallen over the centuries. There may be other understandings of new age, of which I am not talking here.
@@JC-lk1mz She denied reincarnation tho.
Wow. This seems like something that is a mix between Christianity and something else!
I would say that "the something else" is Christ.
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This woman is being disingenuous. The church didn't reject the claim that jesus was a fully human person. It rejected the claim that jesus was merely a human person. The church agreed that he was fully human and fully divine. Thus both the gnostic and the arrian assertions were rejected, both of which this woman reasserts, against the orthodox teachings of scripture and church proper. Next.
You're being disingenuous, because Bernadette clearly distinguishes between the Christ and Jesus. The church clearly rejects the Christ-nature as being fully human, and this leads to this view that the person "Jesus" and "the Christ" are one in the same, with "Jesus" supplying the fully human element and "the Christ" being the fully divine element, which leads to Christianity being a Jesus-cult.
But this is wrong. The Christ-nature/Buddha-nature is fully human. Neither Jesus or the Buddha are supposed to be worshipped as divine or "higher" beings. They're just folks that extinguished the experience of self and became the Christ, became the Buddha, without any addition.
Read the church fathers. If jesus isnt fully god thats the Arrian heresy. If he isnt fully man thats the gnostic heresy. If they buddha is his equal thats the syncretic hermetic heresy.
@@chrisnelles Well, honestly I can't argue theology or what the church fathers said competently. That's not my area of expertise at all. I think Bernadette has talked about a lot of that and I'd have to defer to her to make those arguments.
But as far as knowing the Truth of things I can speak more competently. As far as that goes, Bernadette is spot on, and fascinatingly so because outside of (mostly Zen) Buddhism and Jed McKenna I've yet to see anyone express this. And the implication that Christianity is a pagan Jesus-cult is really prescient. No man is God. Any man or woman can become Christ/Buddha (and really already is). And I guess it doesn't matter to me if my views, or her's, are heretical in the eyes of the church. The church is just simply clueless.
Here's the thing about all of this though: there's an entire mass, a tangle, a jungle worth of different views. And I know my views on this stuff have changed a lot. I think the secret here is to drop the views and just go see for one's self. The contemplative practice is what's important. Anyone not doing the contemplative practice is not really a Christian, Buddhist, or doing any sort of useful spirituality. Go see for yourself. Don't take my word for it or Bernadette's or the church Fathers or even Jesus's word. Go do the practice and seek God for yourself.
@@MaryGwenDungan I think you can use reason to figure things out, at least to an extent. I didn't start taking my practice seriously until I figured things out rationally. But there has to be some wisdom already present, and a requisite level of intellect as well. I don't think it's worth the time for most people to do what I did, as there's only so far rationality will take you before you have to abandon the mind just as you abandon the senses.
But rationality can tell you that the idea that Jesus the human was the one and only God and you're required to worship him in order to be saved is clearly untrue and certainly unskillful. Like Bernadette says: it's a belief a teacher can work with, but somewhere along the path the holder of this belief will have to let go of it in order to make further progress. Any view can be a potential source of defilement. There's a Buddhist sutta that I think is perfect in explaining this: Ditthi Sutta (AN 10.93).
@@MaryGwenDungan I much prefer Buddhism myself, particularly Theravada, as it's more rational and methodical than its Mahayana counterpart. The problem is Jesus didn't have a 45 year teaching career post-crucifixion/enlightenment like the Buddha did, so he left almost nothing as far as enlightened disciples. That Paul became the main source of doctrine is a travesty and has corrupted Christianity since then.
The religion got off to a terrible start and has never recovered.
Trinity is an ancient Indo Aryan concept representing creation, sustenance and destruction...three aspects or faces of God.
I agree. It can be found elsewhere as well...
I think the Trimurti is actually newer than Christianity. It was an attempt to synchronize different religions in the Indian subcontinent, like Shaivism and Vaishnavism.
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