As the most die hard Ohio State fan, I can comfortably say the SEC is the best conference currently and have been for the last 10+ yrs. Idk why its so hard for people to use their eyeballs. I do believe the gap is slowly getting smaller between the big ten and sec however that will still take years more of results to prove. Just enjoy the sport folks. Who cares what conference they play in.
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@@OSU2010 LSU has more titles since inception of BCS than BOTH tOSU and Michigan. Even more than the ENTIRE left coast combined. MORE than the lil xii ALL added TOGETHER. SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC !!!!!!!!
@@FredPitre-o4bthere it is. Thanks for proving my point. B1G fans, are fans of their team, win or lose. All of the mid SEC team's fans are the ones talking about the conference. Fans of teams that haven't won a chip in 75 years will argue all day about their conference. Here's the truth though. You had Saban at LSU and Bama. Georgia recently. Auburn with a generational Cam. LSU with a Burrow. Urban Meyer. Just removing Saban would drop the conference to about third place.
@@OSU2010 in 2024, you have Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Georgia, and Ole Miss as all top 15 teams (possibly Missouri as well but verdict is still out). SEC increased its strength a lot by adding Oklahoma and Texas.
1st 3 weeks should be the CFB conference power struggle 4 power conferences Schedules should be 3+9 3 out of conference, 1 team from each of the other P4’s Then 9 in conference games to find your champ… I’d watch the heck out of that
Big ten 1-0 vs SEC this yr didn’t Michigan beat Bama didn’t Washington beat Texas Missouri beat a completely different Ohio state team that was your last win vs big ten bro
@@elliotthoward4738Washington beating Texas has nothing to do with the Big10 or the SEC. Neither of those teams were a member of either of those conferences. 😂
@@elliotthoward4738not to mention, we are not about to sit here and act like Michigan this year is half of what they were last year, while trying to discredit Missouri’s win over Blowhio
@elliotthoward4738 first I'm a PSU fan boy. Second 1 off wins do not make a point. It takes 3 years to get a trend going. The fact is the BIGTEN hasn't been promoting football to the level the SEC has.. there's a lot of reason why, but they are starting to. In 2027 it's going to look a lot different then it does today. Big games, better recruiting better development at the lower tiers will led to a deeper more interesting BIG10. Iowa will have to hire an Offensive staff and support staff, psu will need to nearly double their support staff again to get it to the level of an osu and MiCheaters.
I’m guessing your model and fanduel take into account “neutral sites” are historically in the SEC’s backyard (ATL, NOLA, DAL). But when the neutral site is Las Vegas, 4pt favorite #13 LSU loses by a 7pts to underdog #23 USC. Funny how that even things out a bit, isn’t it? Not saying B1G or SEC is better. Just sayin’
@@knothyselfknotruth Ohio State backed out of a home and home with Georgia. Texas going up to Michigan this week. Southern boys would wreck you up north like anywhere else. They seem to do fine up north in the NFL as well, since they’re the most drafted conference for the 100th year straight.
@jpDragna The reason Georgia played Clemson in ATL is because when they played 2 years ago, it was in North Carolina. Georgia also has played @ ND recently, and had OSU cancel a home & home they had scheduled in a couple years.
Ive got another measure for you. Hey Siri: Which conference produces the most NFL draft picks? The SEC finished with the most NFL draft picks of any conference, as has come to be expected after notable dominance in that category over the last 10-15 years.
@@partydelcarmen I would think the SEC dominating with the most NFL draft picks shows how much more talent is in the SEC. NFL scouts jobs depend on talent evaluation and it is against their interest to be biased on conference.
@@knothyselfknotruth Yea peoples whose jobs depending on finding the best players, wherever they come from, allow themselves to be biased. LMAO do you hear yourself? And yea if you have by far the most overall picks each year, you are likely to have the most busts and successes. Thats how basic statistics work. The point you tried to make only further proved me right. hahaha
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Why would you lie like that? Nobody has ever heard a fan of a B1G team, chanting Big Ten! 😂😂😂 Only SEC fans sit around talking about being a fan of a whole conference. Guess what though, it's rarely a Bama or Georgia fan. It's always fans of the also rans who have to share the glory.
It isn't always just overreacting to a specific game!!! As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, it is eye test as well, and being a die hard for 42 years, it just looks different in a great way!!! Defense is elite again, never been a problem, but offense has always had tons of talent and depth, but the new OC is making us light years better!!! WE ARE 🏈 Unrivaled
These models are based off perception as we don’t have enough data and looks at this years teams. We need to get past week 3 before we start to have a clue.
He is not talking about the past!!!!! He is talking about right now, people need to realize once the national title was done last year, it means nothing right now!!!! WE ARE 🏈 Unrivaled
This video aged horribly!!! The Big Ten is clearly the better conference as I write this on January 3rd 2025!!! Think about this... - Michigan STARTED & ENDED 2024 by beating Alabama straight up!!! - Ohio State RAG DOLLED Tennessee in the CFP!!! - Penn State is looking like a beast in the CFP!!! - Several SEC teams lost bowl games to Big Ten teams!!! - The 2024 national title game was played between Michigan (Big Ten) and Washington (current Big Ten) - Its looking like the 2025 national title game will ALSO be 2 Big Ten teams playing...Ohio State vs Penn State! Argument over!!!!! The Big Ten is CLEARLY the better conference!!!
It’s actually mind blowing that this is even a discussion rn. The SEC has won 6 of the last 9 championships and 15 of the last 21. Oregon was argued as potentially the best team in the B1G and was struggling with Idaho from the Sky Conference. Michigan struggled with Fresno State which is basically the same if not worse that Colorado State who Texas beat by 50. Meanwhile Ohio State despite spending $20M in NIL is too scared to play a power 4 conference team in the non conference. The only thing the B1G hangs on is USC beating the 6th best team in the SEC in LSU in a game that took everything. People don’t even recognize that LSU has been on a downslope the past 4 years and lost all of their past 4 season openers. Yet USC and Joel Klatt celebrate like they won the natty. Sad. Don’t listen to your Joel Klatts or your Colin cowherds who work for Fox and spread B1G propaganda. Watch the actual games and you’ll see the truth quickly.
Last year Ohio State played Notre dame at Notre dame, the year before they played Notre Dame at home. This year they don’t have a deal to play a P5 game, those games are decided before Ohio state even thought of spending all that money. Also, why are we going after them for playing an FBS team while Alabama and Ole Miss played Western Kentucky and Furman. Don’t be hypocritical, watch the games maybe
I'm not sure we're seeing the same games? B1G has dominated the SEC this year with very few exceptions (Mizzou). Your flagship team just lost QB1 to portal money at Miami. Bama used to stack their roster with 5's and 4's. None of them are going to sit a season, so they are all for hire. Just look at the number hitting the portal from Tennessee immediately after their blow out loss. The game is for sale to the highest bidder. Start mortgaging your house if you want to keep pace with the Phil Knights of the world. The lucrative ESPN contract won't float the SEC because it can't be used for NIL.
I'm a huge UGA fan, but mizzou +2000 to win the sec is a value buy. I don't think they'll win it, but look at their schedule. They certainly have the easiest path to the title game
SEC first, and I'm a Big 12 fan saying this. B1G is now interesting because you got 4 big time additions to start the year. Honestly, had it only been USC and UCLA, it would be nowhere near enough to contend with SEC, getting Washington and Oregon was the real win and now you a more balance for schools from high and low tier to compete, before it was just Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State. Now its those 3, USC, Washington, and Oregon with the possibility of Nebraska and maybe Wisconsin doing something great this year going forward in future seasons. But the fact of the matter is, the SEC just well rounded overall with matchups that worth watching regardless and the best new additions to league is the perfect cherry on top for them. If there are any schools now that should just the the SEC to really seperate itself as a independent football power conference dynasty, landing Ohio State and Michigan would seal the deal, and trade Vandy for Notre Dame (sorry Vandy). Just thinking aloud but that would be a hell of football conference and on top of that, ESPN and CBS whatever media rights partner would throw a shit ton extra money where each school would be making a fixed least $75-85 million per school year because all games would be considered superbowl and CFP matchups.
This was my thinking coming in from the last season, even with Michigan winning it all, I just thought everything past Michigan and OSU has been such a disappointment, PSU included, that there's nothing really to compare. This year though, man I'm quickly having my mind changed. It's not just what the B1G got, and the surprise starts for PSU and USC for their offensive and defensive production respectively, or that Nebraska has an exciting piece at QB which is always good for ratings. All of that is great, but I think lost in the ACC's...well let's say it's the grand karmic retribution of the rest of the ACC for fun, was the absolute stink bomb the SEC threw week 1. Georgia and Clemson battled for all of two quarters before Dabo's insistence on believing in Klubnik lost him his future job security (probably) showed up early in the 3rd quarter when Clemson had the ball on Georgia's 7 yard line to make it a 1 score game, but that was it. The rest of the "top" of the league spent the weekend playing in glorified pre-season matchups that were boring even for fans, and then they went on to fail their 3 big tests against Miami, Notre Dame, and USC. Vandy upset a mediocre VaTech team that returned a lot of players who didn't really play very well last year, and that was it. I know plenty of people will come on here and talk about how none of those teams were anywhere near the top of the SEC, but they still all lost, two of them at home in "SEC Country" and all three were picked by SEC fans to win. That whiplash of losing all three got SEC people saying none of them were supposed to be any good, and others might as well have played I don't know Furman or something.
As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, 4 big additions???? Lol They are going to find out they couldn't even keep their garbage ass conference together, and they are in trouble!!! WE play elite defense in Happy Valley, Big House, Columbus and Iowa and Wisconsin!!!! WE ARE 🏈 Unrivaled
There is no practical way to decide which conference is better top to bottom year to year and is just a silly question. The conference is going to get respect by how they do in bowls and championships, but like he said those are not evenly matched and now most of the top players sit out for the draft. Also, I’m not a Nebraska fan, but they might be one of the better Big Ten teams this year and they are not even on this list somehow. Silly to make such a list and argument after one game.
Maybe because live in a state with major pro sports teams (skip the Detroit jokes) but I can’t fathom taking pride from the accomplishments of teams my school is the homecoming for simply because of the same conference sticker
I trust the betting odds more than any other measuring stick out there to determine the overall strength of teams. However, I wouldn't blindly trust the odds or hypothetical spreads alone. The oddsmakers bake points in based on what they think will draw in the most bettors. There could be a standard deviation variance of 3-5 points for each game. For example, oddsmakers know more bettors would bet on Georgia over Ohio state. So, in this hypothetical, if Georgia was only -2 over ohio state, that would likely result in less money being wagered in the market than if Georgia was -4.5 as it is now because of the fact that bettors would worry that ohio state is better than they thought or Georgia is not as good as they thought and as a result they'd bet less $$$$ or not bet at all.
Josh youre looking at it all wrong, the big10 teams have the power to bring the other team down to their level, there is no logic vs a big10 team suddenly things go off the rails and leave you disgusted and ashamed after the game win or lose
One bad quarter in the first game and the buckeyes are clearly trash…bama plays 4 quarters of trash ball and they are elite….josh make it make sense…..
USC is being totally disrespected in the AP & Coaches polls at #11 they should be well ahead of Oregon, Michigan & Penn St. all three of those teams don't look very solid at all right now plus USC has a better win than any of them. I Thought Oregon was just buying players but I didn't know they were buying rankings SMH. Moving over to the SEC teams outside of Georgia & Texas concerning Alabama. Ole Miss & Missouri & to some degree even Tennessee has literally played nothing but trash scrimmage level teams. Georgia looks real good but truth is they real haven't played anyone yet either unless you consider Clemson valid which I don't but it was a Good win for Georgia & Salute to Texas. The truth is outside of Texas & Georgia we really don't know what any of the next 4 SEC teams are really about yet they have played no one excpet Saint Mary's Girls School but we do know USC beat LSU one of the top teams in the SEC & USC is noticeably better than Missouri. I would put USC at 4 right now just based on the opposition they beat & how. Miami is also being disrespected I would put Miami ahead of both Penn St & Oregon at least for right now. 1 Georgia 2 Texas 3 Ohio St. 4 USC concerning 5,6,7,8,9 & 10 put them where you like but Miami should be ahead of at least 2 of the SEC teams. Even in the playoff era the SEC bias still exist.
The fact that B10 fans make such a big deal about when they do win reveals it’s the exception, not the rule, when they do. SEC is way better. Deal with it
Well...not a direct measurement but indirectly, by looking at the best players / conference over say the last 20 years .....how many times has each won the NFL draft (SEC won that ... what ... 18 years in a row ?) If we assume those who put these things together are fairly adept at what they do .... looking at strength of schedule. Strength of Schedule average SoS for every team in the conference. The only one that looks out of place to me is the ACC ... SEC 21.81 Big 10 29.17 ACC 40.76 Big 12 45.06 Ind 77.67 PAC 83.00 MWC 95.42 SBC 95.50 MAC 98.08 SBC 105.50 AAC 110.57 USA 108.80 By this metric, with SEC at 21.81 and Big 10 at 29.17, .... the gap is 7.36 .... Last year it was 25.07 and 60.36 for a gap of 35.09 ... so by that metric, the gap has closed a lot. The shocker for me is the ACC coming in higher than the Big 12. The ACCs No 10 is now unranked, ant the No. 11 is now 25/
Lol top SEC teams: Georgia Mizzou Texas Ole Miss Tennessee Your best OOC wins are a rebuilding Michigan and a subpar Clemson team. Ole miss, mizzou and Tennessee beat up on weak teams and somehow they’re top 10? Same shit Every year.
When the Big 10 wins 13 out of the last 18 national titles and 7 straight like the SEC has done from 2006-present then we’ll talk. Big 10 has 2 total in the same span.
That doesn’t represent a conference. That means you might have had the best team. That’s like saying all those years the patriots won the Super Bowl there division was the best.
@@JM-wf2to I think his argument is the SEC hasn't had depth. It kind of pans out. Take Saban out of Alabama and how many titles does the SEC have in that span? How many of the top teams under Georgia and Alabama on a yearly basis were teams that had big OOC wins? Texas A&M hasn't looked great, LSU loses all the time, Florida beat Utah then just laid a dusty egg against Miami in the Swamp. I'm not saying these are the best teams in the SEC, but name someone Ole Miss has beaten outside of the SEC that made you think they were great. Because last year their best win was against Tulane. They outscored an LSU team that couldn't play defense, and beat an SEC schedule that was under .500 overall. When they played Alabama they lost by 2 scores, and they got blown the heck out by Georgia 52-17 I think. Most of the SEC "depth" each year has looked like that. Teams look like like they have good resumes because they had the honor of losing to Alabama or Georgia.
There is a reason why the S.E.C has thirteen of the last eighteen National Championships. Maybe people should start going back to watch the past eighteen NFL Drafts. Soon the BIG 10 will be called the Pathetic 18
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@@RadicallyOptimistic I mean, I get it as a good business decision. I still love the show, but I also remember when it wasn’t just about Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio state.
Actually it does matter. The SEC has more contenders every year because they take a week off in mid November. Imagine if you didn’t show up to work one week. You’d be fired
Georgia > Ohio State Texas ??? Michigan Alabama > Oregon Ole Miss > Penn State Tennessee > Iowa Missouri ??? USC Oklahoma ??? Wisconsin the top tier and bottom tier team is better in the SEC compared to the B1G
If these “neutral sites” were played in mid November in the Upper Midwest and Pacific Northwest, the Big 10 team would be favored almost every time. It is a shame that every big bowl game is played in the southern half of the country. Time to bring real weather to this sport
@@GoatedAtNFS "Ever" is a pretty big word there. Penn State has lost five games to three teams in the last two seasons and hasn't lost a game by more than two possessions in 21 games. Ohio State has four losses to three teams over the last two seasons and has lost a game by more than two possessions in the last 15 games (both 14+ point losses for PSU and OSU were to Michigan). The only difference between Penn State and Ohio State is Penn State has lost to Ohio State. Other than that, they're both crushing everyone that's not Michigan, dropping their most recent bowl game, and generally holding on in one or two possession games when they do lose.
In the Rose Bowl the Line was in favor of Michigan to draw bets on Bama. Josh and other folks picked Bama. The House won and Michigan covered with their worst game of the year and Bama's best game. Besides, this is after week 1, let's not overreact people.
Bro calm down it was one game against a Florida team with their head coach about to be fired. Miami’s toughest opponent will be Louisville as of right now, they have a soft schedule. They don’t even play Clemson. Hope this helps your delusions🤭
SEC lost 3 meaningful games in week 1 alone. Other than UGA Clemson the other SEC winning games were mostly DIV2 scrimmages. Why not take all teams in both conferences to do this exercise vs just 10? B1G was 16-1 through week 1. Nice way to skew the data in your favor though.
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As a Rutgers fan, I'm just happy to be included
Laughs in IU alum
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Hey! Rutgers avoid 4 big dogs so that 9-3 will be looked at very mightily!
As the most die hard Ohio State fan, I can comfortably say the SEC is the best conference currently and have been for the last 10+ yrs. Idk why its so hard for people to use their eyeballs. I do believe the gap is slowly getting smaller between the big ten and sec however that will still take years more of results to prove. Just enjoy the sport folks. Who cares what conference they play in.
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You mean Bama has been better…
@@OSU2010 LSU has more titles since inception of BCS than BOTH tOSU and Michigan. Even more than the ENTIRE left coast combined. MORE than the lil xii ALL added TOGETHER.
SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC !!!!!!!!
@@FredPitre-o4bthere it is. Thanks for proving my point. B1G fans, are fans of their team, win or lose. All of the mid SEC team's fans are the ones talking about the conference. Fans of teams that haven't won a chip in 75 years will argue all day about their conference. Here's the truth though. You had Saban at LSU and Bama. Georgia recently. Auburn with a generational Cam. LSU with a Burrow. Urban Meyer. Just removing Saban would drop the conference to about third place.
@@OSU2010 in 2024, you have Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Georgia, and Ole Miss as all top 15 teams (possibly Missouri as well but verdict is still out). SEC increased its strength a lot by adding Oklahoma and Texas.
1st 3 weeks should be the CFB conference power struggle
4 power conferences
Schedules should be 3+9
3 out of conference, 1 team from each of the other P4’s
Then 9 in conference games to find your champ…
I’d watch the heck out of that
Nah. I’d like random OOC games in October and November.
Imagine if Texas @ Mishitgan on November 2.
No undefeated Indiana or 1 loss Illinois
Can I say this maybe the real trend is that the bigten is finally starting to take football as seriously as the SEC.
Big ten 1-0 vs SEC this yr didn’t Michigan beat Bama didn’t Washington beat Texas Missouri beat a completely different Ohio state team that was your last win vs big ten bro
@@elliotthoward4738Washington beating Texas has nothing to do with the Big10 or the SEC. Neither of those teams were a member of either of those conferences. 😂
@@elliotthoward4738not to mention, we are not about to sit here and act like Michigan this year is half of what they were last year, while trying to discredit Missouri’s win over Blowhio
@elliotthoward4738 first I'm a PSU fan boy. Second 1 off wins do not make a point. It takes 3 years to get a trend going. The fact is the BIGTEN hasn't been promoting football to the level the SEC has.. there's a lot of reason why, but they are starting to. In 2027 it's going to look a lot different then it does today. Big games, better recruiting better development at the lower tiers will led to a deeper more interesting BIG10. Iowa will have to hire an Offensive staff and support staff, psu will need to nearly double their support staff again to get it to the level of an osu and MiCheaters.
@@elliotthoward4738 don’t forget about ole miss
Will there be an apology for this video?
Always a fiction that all or most SEC teams were Alabama in quality.
To be fair, LSU was the betting favorite vs USC… doing this by betting odds doesn’t seem quite right.
I wouldn't favor A&M 9pts against air
Big10 is not as deep as the SEC.
ESECPN cool aid
Sorry who were the playoff finalists last year? Who won the natty?
@@Mmmmmk247 That didn't age well.
@Mmmmmk247
Yeah what a joke cheating Michigan your coach left and I am glad you all will suck this season 😅
@@Mmmmmk247bro got smacked by texas 😂how deep is the sec now
Texas vs Michigan should answer this question.
I’m guessing your model and fanduel take into account “neutral sites” are historically in the SEC’s backyard (ATL, NOLA, DAL). But when the neutral site is Las Vegas, 4pt favorite #13 LSU loses by a 7pts to underdog #23 USC. Funny how that even things out a bit, isn’t it? Not saying B1G or SEC is better. Just sayin’
Do you think Big10 is better if half neutral site games are played in the north or west?
SEC shill bro dnt take his take too serious
@@ThemDawgsIsHellDontTheyabsolutely! It's a reason those cowards won't play home & homes . afraid to leave the South East
@@knothyselfknotruth Ohio State backed out of a home and home with Georgia. Texas going up to Michigan this week.
Southern boys would wreck you up north like anywhere else.
They seem to do fine up north in the NFL as well, since they’re the most drafted conference for the 100th year straight.
ok. so when Alabama travels to Madison and stomps on Luke Fickell then what?
Wonder if the spreads would change a little if neutral sites commonly included cities like DET, INDY, CLE, PIT, MINN, CHI, SF, San Diego, NYC etc
If “let’s play in the cold was a person” 😂😂
Seriously though. Gotta love the SEC constantly playing neutral site games in NFL stadiums in states their team are from.
@jpDragna The reason Georgia played Clemson in ATL is because when they played 2 years ago, it was in North Carolina. Georgia also has played @ ND recently, and had OSU cancel a home & home they had scheduled in a couple years.
Ive got another measure for you. Hey Siri: Which conference produces the most NFL draft picks? The SEC finished with the most NFL draft picks of any conference, as has come to be expected after notable dominance in that category over the last 10-15 years.
There is no correct answer to the bigger question. One can frame their opinion to either conference.
@@partydelcarmen I would think the SEC dominating with the most NFL draft picks shows how much more talent is in the SEC. NFL scouts jobs depend on talent evaluation and it is against their interest to be biased on conference.
Draft picks mean absolutely nothing! Only means esecpn propaganda works on scouts. SEC also has the most NFL draft bust
@@Mott2 that is a great fact/stat. B1G has their own too.
@@knothyselfknotruth Yea peoples whose jobs depending on finding the best players, wherever they come from, allow themselves to be biased. LMAO do you hear yourself? And yea if you have by far the most overall picks each year, you are likely to have the most busts and successes. Thats how basic statistics work. The point you tried to make only further proved me right. hahaha
B1g 4 sec 1
You always have a big10 fan asking this question and never a sec fan. Sec fans don’t think about the big10. We know we have the better conference.
Big 10 fans know too
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Why would you lie like that? Nobody has ever heard a fan of a B1G team, chanting Big Ten! 😂😂😂 Only SEC fans sit around talking about being a fan of a whole conference. Guess what though, it's rarely a Bama or Georgia fan. It's always fans of the also rans who have to share the glory.
@@Al-Rudigor nah ur wrong
The sec has proven they're better every year. The sec has made everyone else better. That's not a bad thing.
1:42 That could not work down the line because 2 teams in the Big 10 would have nobody to play
Penn State vs Bowling Green, Mich vs Tex
It isn't always just overreacting to a specific game!!! As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, it is eye test as well, and being a die hard for 42 years, it just looks different in a great way!!! Defense is elite again, never been a problem, but offense has always had tons of talent and depth, but the new OC is making us light years better!!! WE ARE 🏈 Unrivaled
FINALLY some cogent analysis on this subject. Thank you sir 🤝
😂😂 sec trash
@@knothyselfknotruth nice facts 👍
These models are based off perception as we don’t have enough data and looks at this years teams. We need to get past week 3 before we start to have a clue.
To hell with perception, give me that hardware, show me the gold!!
He is not talking about the past!!!!! He is talking about right now, people need to realize once the national title was done last year, it means nothing right now!!!! WE ARE 🏈 Unrivaled
Mich 7 5 beat bama 9 3
This video aged horribly!!!
The Big Ten is clearly the better conference as I write this on January 3rd 2025!!!
Think about this...
- Michigan STARTED & ENDED 2024 by beating Alabama straight up!!!
- Ohio State RAG DOLLED Tennessee in the CFP!!!
- Penn State is looking like a beast in the CFP!!!
- Several SEC teams lost bowl games to Big Ten teams!!!
- The 2024 national title game was played between Michigan (Big Ten) and Washington (current Big Ten)
- Its looking like the 2025 national title game will ALSO be 2 Big Ten teams playing...Ohio State vs Penn State!
Argument over!!!!!
The Big Ten is CLEARLY the better conference!!!
It’s actually mind blowing that this is even a discussion rn. The SEC has won 6 of the last 9 championships and 15 of the last 21. Oregon was argued as potentially the best team in the B1G and was struggling with Idaho from the Sky Conference. Michigan struggled with Fresno State which is basically the same if not worse that Colorado State who Texas beat by 50. Meanwhile Ohio State despite spending $20M in NIL is too scared to play a power 4 conference team in the non conference. The only thing the B1G hangs on is USC beating the 6th best team in the SEC in LSU in a game that took everything. People don’t even recognize that LSU has been on a downslope the past 4 years and lost all of their past 4 season openers. Yet USC and Joel Klatt celebrate like they won the natty. Sad. Don’t listen to your Joel Klatts or your Colin cowherds who work for Fox and spread B1G propaganda. Watch the actual games and you’ll see the truth quickly.
Last year Ohio State played Notre dame at Notre dame, the year before they played Notre Dame at home. This year they don’t have a deal to play a P5 game, those games are decided before Ohio state even thought of spending all that money. Also, why are we going after them for playing an FBS team while Alabama and Ole Miss played Western Kentucky and Furman. Don’t be hypocritical, watch the games maybe
Klatt >
I'm not sure we're seeing the same games? B1G has dominated the SEC this year with very few exceptions (Mizzou). Your flagship team just lost QB1 to portal money at Miami. Bama used to stack their roster with 5's and 4's. None of them are going to sit a season, so they are all for hire. Just look at the number hitting the portal from Tennessee immediately after their blow out loss. The game is for sale to the highest bidder. Start mortgaging your house if you want to keep pace with the Phil Knights of the world. The lucrative ESPN contract won't float the SEC because it can't be used for NIL.
Now what about Big 12 versus ACC? Clear to me, but what will you put on the record?
If only that LSU line was real I would put my mortgage on it
After further thought there should just be an sec poll and others just play for fun
I'm a huge UGA fan, but mizzou +2000 to win the sec is a value buy. I don't think they'll win it, but look at their schedule. They certainly have the easiest path to the title game
I don’t think even a B1G homer would argue they’re better than the SEC
How u have to do is check out if conf record vs other power 5's! Not how they look against FCS d3 teams
Just like “from Dixie with love”
I think the SEC is better in 2024 but the B1G has the ability to be better than the SEC. Both are pretty solid leagues.
Big XII is the best conference.
Look Josh, when they say stuff like that, you are kind of responsible to Take away the drugs and alcohol and ask them to consider rehab.
*Hey Josh, remember when you said Michigan had the better PROGRAM than Ohio State?*
We remember.
Go Bucks.
SEC first, and I'm a Big 12 fan saying this. B1G is now interesting because you got 4 big time additions to start the year. Honestly, had it only been USC and UCLA, it would be nowhere near enough to contend with SEC, getting Washington and Oregon was the real win and now you a more balance for schools from high and low tier to compete, before it was just Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State. Now its those 3, USC, Washington, and Oregon with the possibility of Nebraska and maybe Wisconsin doing something great this year going forward in future seasons.
But the fact of the matter is, the SEC just well rounded overall with matchups that worth watching regardless and the best new additions to league is the perfect cherry on top for them. If there are any schools now that should just the the SEC to really seperate itself as a independent football power conference dynasty, landing Ohio State and Michigan would seal the deal, and trade Vandy for Notre Dame (sorry Vandy).
Just thinking aloud but that would be a hell of football conference and on top of that, ESPN and CBS whatever media rights partner would throw a shit ton extra money where each school would be making a fixed least $75-85 million per school year because all games would be considered superbowl and CFP matchups.
This was my thinking coming in from the last season, even with Michigan winning it all, I just thought everything past Michigan and OSU has been such a disappointment, PSU included, that there's nothing really to compare.
This year though, man I'm quickly having my mind changed. It's not just what the B1G got, and the surprise starts for PSU and USC for their offensive and defensive production respectively, or that Nebraska has an exciting piece at QB which is always good for ratings. All of that is great, but I think lost in the ACC's...well let's say it's the grand karmic retribution of the rest of the ACC for fun, was the absolute stink bomb the SEC threw week 1. Georgia and Clemson battled for all of two quarters before Dabo's insistence on believing in Klubnik lost him his future job security (probably) showed up early in the 3rd quarter when Clemson had the ball on Georgia's 7 yard line to make it a 1 score game, but that was it. The rest of the "top" of the league spent the weekend playing in glorified pre-season matchups that were boring even for fans, and then they went on to fail their 3 big tests against Miami, Notre Dame, and USC. Vandy upset a mediocre VaTech team that returned a lot of players who didn't really play very well last year, and that was it.
I know plenty of people will come on here and talk about how none of those teams were anywhere near the top of the SEC, but they still all lost, two of them at home in "SEC Country" and all three were picked by SEC fans to win. That whiplash of losing all three got SEC people saying none of them were supposed to be any good, and others might as well have played I don't know Furman or something.
SEC is trash. Propaganda frm ESECPN saves that cowardice conference
As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, 4 big additions???? Lol
They are going to find out they couldn't even keep their garbage ass conference together, and they are in trouble!!! WE play elite defense in Happy Valley, Big House, Columbus and Iowa and Wisconsin!!!! WE ARE 🏈 Unrivaled
There is no practical way to decide which conference is better top to bottom year to year and is just a silly question. The conference is going to get respect by how they do in bowls and championships, but like he said those are not evenly matched and now most of the top players sit out for the draft. Also, I’m not a Nebraska fan, but they might be one of the better Big Ten teams this year and they are not even on this list somehow. Silly to make such a list and argument after one game.
Maybe because live in a state with major pro sports teams (skip the Detroit jokes) but I can’t fathom taking pride from the accomplishments of teams my school is the homecoming for simply because of the same conference sticker
I think there is a stronger sense of regionality in the south writ large, and this is just a by-product of that larger cultural phenomenon
I trust the betting odds more than any other measuring stick out there to determine the overall strength of teams. However, I wouldn't blindly trust the odds or hypothetical spreads alone. The oddsmakers bake points in based on what they think will draw in the most bettors. There could be a standard deviation variance of 3-5 points for each game. For example, oddsmakers know more bettors would bet on Georgia over Ohio state. So, in this hypothetical, if Georgia was only -2 over ohio state, that would likely result in less money being wagered in the market than if Georgia was -4.5 as it is now because of the fact that bettors would worry that ohio state is better than they thought or Georgia is not as good as they thought and as a result they'd bet less $$$$ or not bet at all.
HaHa, they surpassed them all right.
Wisc. Higher chance than Nebraska? No Nebraska? Not a Husker fan here and I don't get that.
Team > Conference 🤷🏾
After 1 what an absurd topic? The sample sizes are tiny.
Too who replied...take their lunch money...I say...lmaoooo!!!!!
So ya i definitely still see the sec ss best, but its closer than ever before
It was week 1
And we dont want to hear about hangover of ND they damn sure aint in the top 10 and yes I can name the teams that are better on the field
Josh youre looking at it all wrong, the big10 teams have the power to bring the other team down to their level, there is no logic vs a big10 team suddenly things go off the rails and leave you disgusted and ashamed after the game win or lose
One bad quarter in the first game and the buckeyes are clearly trash…bama plays 4 quarters of trash ball and they are elite….josh make it make sense…..
USC is being totally disrespected in the AP & Coaches polls at #11 they should be well ahead of Oregon, Michigan & Penn St. all three of those teams don't look very solid at all right now plus USC has a better win than any of them. I Thought Oregon was just buying players but I didn't know they were buying rankings SMH. Moving over to the SEC teams outside of Georgia & Texas concerning Alabama. Ole Miss & Missouri & to some degree even Tennessee has literally played nothing but trash scrimmage level teams. Georgia looks real good but truth is they real haven't played anyone yet either unless you consider Clemson valid which I don't but it was a Good win for Georgia & Salute to Texas. The truth is outside of Texas & Georgia we really don't know what any of the next 4 SEC teams are really about yet they have played no one excpet Saint Mary's Girls School but we do know USC beat LSU one of the top teams in the SEC & USC is noticeably better than Missouri. I would put USC at 4 right now just based on the opposition they beat & how. Miami is also being disrespected I would put Miami ahead of both Penn St & Oregon at least for right now. 1 Georgia 2 Texas 3 Ohio St. 4 USC concerning 5,6,7,8,9 & 10 put them where you like but Miami should be ahead of at least 2 of the SEC teams. Even in the playoff era the SEC bias still exist.
The fact that B10 fans make such a big deal about when they do win reveals it’s the exception, not the rule, when they do. SEC is way better. Deal with it
Every conference sucks
Well...not a direct measurement but indirectly, by looking at the best players / conference over say the last 20 years .....how many times has each won the NFL draft (SEC won that ... what ... 18 years in a row ?)
If we assume those who put these things together are fairly adept at what they do .... looking at strength of schedule.
Strength of Schedule average SoS for every team in the conference. The only one that looks out of place to me is the ACC ...
SEC 21.81
Big 10 29.17
ACC 40.76
Big 12 45.06
Ind 77.67
PAC 83.00
MWC 95.42
SBC 95.50
MAC 98.08
SBC 105.50
AAC 110.57
USA 108.80
By this metric, with SEC at 21.81 and Big 10 at 29.17, .... the gap is 7.36 .... Last year it was 25.07 and 60.36 for a gap of 35.09 ... so by that metric, the gap has closed a lot. The shocker for me is the ACC coming in higher than the Big 12. The ACCs No 10 is now unranked, ant the No. 11 is now 25/
NFL draft means absolutely Nothing!! Look at all those Georgia boys getting cut or not seeing the field frm that "historic" defense
Dream on!!!
Lol top SEC teams:
Georgia
Mizzou
Texas
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Your best OOC wins are a rebuilding Michigan and a subpar Clemson team.
Ole miss, mizzou and Tennessee beat up on weak teams and somehow they’re top 10? Same shit Every year.
This aged hilariously lol
Josh Pate on the world’s most pointless topic.
Vandy win was bigger than usc
No it wasn't.
Who they play Nicholls St 😅
😂😂 VA Tech lost to James Maddison in non conf last yr and Old Dominion yr b4 that
@@Steeledawg VT is known for losing to bad teams, they lost to Old Dominion and James Madison. SC beat the 13th ranked team.
This is what they said in the last playoffs and Bama and Texas both lost😂
When the Big 10 wins 13 out of the last 18 national titles and 7 straight like the SEC has done from 2006-present then we’ll talk. Big 10 has 2 total in the same span.
That doesn’t represent a conference. That means you might have had the best team. That’s like saying all those years the patriots won the Super Bowl there division was the best.
Ya but that's two or three teams. The argument is depth
@@bradleydorsey6707true
@@JM-wf2to I think his argument is the SEC hasn't had depth. It kind of pans out. Take Saban out of Alabama and how many titles does the SEC have in that span? How many of the top teams under Georgia and Alabama on a yearly basis were teams that had big OOC wins? Texas A&M hasn't looked great, LSU loses all the time, Florida beat Utah then just laid a dusty egg against Miami in the Swamp. I'm not saying these are the best teams in the SEC, but name someone Ole Miss has beaten outside of the SEC that made you think they were great. Because last year their best win was against Tulane. They outscored an LSU team that couldn't play defense, and beat an SEC schedule that was under .500 overall. When they played Alabama they lost by 2 scores, and they got blown the heck out by Georgia 52-17 I think. Most of the SEC "depth" each year has looked like that. Teams look like like they have good resumes because they had the honor of losing to Alabama or Georgia.
@@bradleydorsey6707draft picks? Current nfl rosters? Top 25 finishes? What’s your metric
Too early. Let it play out.
There is a reason why the S.E.C has thirteen of the last eighteen National Championships. Maybe people should start going back to watch the past eighteen NFL Drafts. Soon the BIG 10 will be called the Pathetic 18
😂😂 Casual tell SEC to play home & homes, 9 Conf games, and stop playing FCS schools in NOVEMBER! ESECPN IS A FRAUD CONFERENCE SAVED BY THEIR SUGA DADDY THE WORLD WIDE LEADER...
Texas Georgia Alabama tennessee ole miss.. there's only 1 team that can defeat or come close to all those.. that's ohio state.. how is big 10 better
Love this show, but Josh will do anything to make sure the SEC fans are happy.
Because his audience is all SEC fans. How you gonna trust a dude from rural Georgia? This show even started in Georgia and now in Nashville
ESECPN cult
@@RadicallyOptimistic I mean, I get it as a good business decision. I still love the show, but I also remember when it wasn’t just about Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio state.
Is this a joke? SEC is by far the real deal. Go Vols
How is Nebraska not above Rutgers or Maryland by the model lmao
Because Pate "Homer" State wouldn't get the result he wanted.
@@edwardcorrado2541he’s a rutgers maryland homer? Lmao good one
Bc rutgers had more wins last szn with a harder schedule and will likely have more wins this year with an easier schedule
Why? It's all based somewhere on opinion. So come on now.
The streets 😆
Why does no one ever bring up that the sec plays less conference games than B1G?
Because it doesn’t matter
Actually it does matter. The SEC has more contenders every year because they take a week off in mid November. Imagine if you didn’t show up to work one week. You’d be fired
Georgia > Ohio State
Texas ??? Michigan
Alabama > Oregon
Ole Miss > Penn State
Tennessee > Iowa
Missouri ??? USC
Oklahoma ??? Wisconsin
the top tier and bottom tier team is better in the SEC compared to the B1G
People are just gonna scream SEC bias like there isn’t a statistic the SEC is better than every conference at.
You could argue that any of the SEC teams listed above could beat tOSU. No one could argue convincingly the same about Georgia.
I also feel confident that all of the above matchups will be a greater than sign by the end of the season…
Ole miss over Penn st? Stfu
And u don't know if usc would beat Missouri????? Usc just beat lsu and lsu would beat mizzou. Think before u speak
This is a cute video. Way to make these B10 folks think they’re great just the way they are, Josh.
that fact you hace lsu missouri and a&m over ou is blasphemous
Please, too many scrubs in the big 10
You’re wrong pate !!!!! BigTen always been overhyped overpriced especially most of all overrated 3X
Big 10 has Always been better! Tell those cowards down there to play home & homes and 9 Conf games
If these “neutral sites” were played in mid November in the Upper Midwest and Pacific Northwest, the Big 10 team would be favored almost every time. It is a shame that every big bowl game is played in the southern half of the country. Time to bring real weather to this sport
Sec is the best
What's up thumb suckered is your team gonna win
Big10 not better. USC/lsu two even teams with home team pulling out a win in a close game.
“Home team” lmao this game was neutral. Just as “neutral” as when Oregon flew into the South to play Auburn and barely lost
ACC!
(Just kidding)
I hate that there were so many cupcake games on opening Saturday. I wish that wouldn’t happen anymore.
The fact that this is even a debate is crazy. The big 10 is still a 2 team conference.
@Cam-i2s Michigan is nothing anymore, Penn st won’t win a big game. USC Is all hype.
@Cam-i2swhat has Penn State ever done to convince you they’re legit
@@GoatedAtNFS "Ever" is a pretty big word there. Penn State has lost five games to three teams in the last two seasons and hasn't lost a game by more than two possessions in 21 games. Ohio State has four losses to three teams over the last two seasons and has lost a game by more than two possessions in the last 15 games (both 14+ point losses for PSU and OSU were to Michigan). The only difference between Penn State and Ohio State is Penn State has lost to Ohio State. Other than that, they're both crushing everyone that's not Michigan, dropping their most recent bowl game, and generally holding on in one or two possession games when they do lose.
@@Alxnickpenn state has also never demonstrated the ability to move the ball on a high level defense
That's literally the SEC two horse for a decade
So.... The obvious question... Did they ALSO favor LSU???
In the Rose Bowl the Line was in favor of Michigan to draw bets on Bama. Josh and other folks picked Bama. The House won and Michigan covered with their worst game of the year and Bama's best game. Besides, this is after week 1, let's not overreact people.
Exactly. SEC Josh doesn’t even listen to his own numbers
You think that was Bama's best game?
Conference strength is still one of the dumbest debates in sports
Big ten is not better than the SEC. With that said, Miami would take the lunch money of any SEC or Big Ten team
Georgia, Alabama, Ole Miss and TN would smash Miami.
As would Penn st Ohio st possibly Michigan oh and oregon
Bro calm down it was one game against a Florida team with their head coach about to be fired. Miami’s toughest opponent will be Louisville as of right now, they have a soft schedule. They don’t even play Clemson. Hope this helps your delusions🤭
@@reyb1649 And then u woke up. Nice dream though
@@WeAre044 oh u got jokes today.
BIG with USC has surpassed the Sec. I know “ it means more “ but BIG is now better.
😂😂😂 its SEC all day everyday i bet the champ is an SEC team Bama or Georgia or Ole Miss or Missouri or more likely Tennessee lol
Lol cope. Natty dnt determine Conf strength . How u fair in non conf shows superiority . SEC 1-3 vs games with a ranked opponent
@@knothyselfknotruth flordia wasnt even ranked and ND was a top 10 team too wait until end of season and see what it looks like
Rise B1G!
SEC lost 3 meaningful games in week 1 alone. Other than UGA Clemson the other SEC winning games were mostly DIV2 scrimmages. Why not take all teams in both conferences to do this exercise vs just 10? B1G was 16-1 through week 1. Nice way to skew the data in your favor though.
Wow, SEC bias we are shocked???? Didn’t they take LSU also to beat USC??
L. M. A. O. Not even close
Josh trying to start some arguments 😂
Big 10 foe USC beats SEC LSU AND WHO SAID PAC 12 HAVE WEAK DEFENSE S😂
Should be Nebraska vs Auburn not Fckn Rutgers 😂😂 are you High?
The transfer portal is evening out the playing field
It was week 1.