"Who took home the W?" This is what's wrong with a LOT of things today. NOBODY took a "W" or an "L" in this because it wasn't a competition. They're two adults. Two successful artists. They had an argument and then solved it. Not every situation in life is about winning or losing.
I agree with the first part, but it wasn't really an argument. It was Tyler expressing his opinion, the Eminem turning around and going "Fuck you faggot". Like that's just one sided beef, and tbh, really fucked up.
Em actually acknowledges this in his song "No Regrets" "I can make a mistake and erupt and end up takin' a dump. Or sayin' some dumb shit, thinkin' I run shit Misplacin' my anger enough to give Earl and Tyler, The Creator the brunt" Where he basically says that he was so pissed off at a lot of people talking shit at the time that he thought Tyler and Earl Sweatshirt's comments were also with the intent to diss him, but then he realizes than that wasn't the case.
ye also em on sway he that he actually liked tyler and earl ,and thought they we re cool,they hanged around and made jokes for them to talk shit on the internet,yk that s not cool you get pissed off i mean you talk with somebody then they talk shit is not cool
@@spiridonrobert16 that’s only how Eminem viewed it Anyone other than Eminem and his Stans saw what Tyler said as CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM And on the flip side of those comments. Tyler will big up Eminem at almost any time he comes up in discussion. The dude LOVES Eminem. He just ain’t walking around eggshells with the man
@@amanSpawn00 nah not only how em viewed,is not constructive criticism when you just call things trash dude😂 like tyler did with shady xv or walk on water cause those we re literally the reasons why em picked up on tyler and ik tyler loves em but still that s just hate at that point when you get on twitter and say,,oh that shit is trash,,constructive criticism is when you explain why you don t like it explain what he should be better so please don t be ingorant cause it s still not cool when you hang with somebody then thast guy hops on twitter and say your things are trash same with revival that shit mostly got slander not constructive criticism also let s not even talk about how people starte saying ,,but we miss the old em or his rage,,then dropped kamikaze like what people been asking from him and then they started saying ,,why em is always angry,,that s HYPOCRISY
@@spiridonrobert16 and he did in an interview. Tyler doesn’t detail things in tweets or social media posts So he said those comments and then radios wanted to ask him in-depth what he meant But a real homie will tell you straight up if shit is trash or not. That’s what I got out of Tyler’s comments And again, this isn’t the first time nor the last time Em will get comments he finds negative And I find it mad sensitive that he’s this way despite going through LITERAL riots against his shit by the LGBT movement
"Shoulda never made a response to the disdain, for the fake ones Them traitorous punks, 'cause snakes are just .... They can get ...... with eight hundred mother.... vibrators at once. " No regrets he dissed Tyler and Earl harder not being angry at them
I really don't think Tyler was "two-faced" at all, just because you see someone as an idol, doesn't mean you have to like every single they do, I think out of his love for Eminem he made those tweets and I really don't see it as two-faced to dislike an album, he doesn't have to worship every album just because he idolises Em
@@JustVinceNa Hes basically saying that Em himself knew he went too far. And not that Tyler did something that made Em apologize. I don't know if i explained it right but hope you got it
@@TheBeakertube You truly underestimate the pettiness out there fren. Like Einstein said about stupidity, I'll go one further and claim that while there may be an upper bound to how classy you can before it's pretentious there is no bottom for how petty some people be in their day-to-day even.
The thing about Em that people don’t talk about enough is how incredibly hilarious he is. Tyler is the same way. Both are brilliant and a couple of the funniest people
everyone complaining how Em changed when he got sober... i know with my personal experience with major addiction to opiates who is now sober and have been for years, i know what it can do to you. so when he got sober, he literally was a different person, his brain chemistry literally changed. i LOVE slim shady n how hard n raw he was, but i also LOVE being able to watch his growth as a person and artist n no matter how many "flops" he has, ill always be a Stan.
best comment I've read so far. It's so true, what you said about getting sober. I was terrified of the person who was gonna emerge when I finally did the deal and got my shit back in line. It's a scary transformation
Em has always been a caring and loving person, he's wrote songs about his daughter and family his whole life. It just doesn't sell and doesn't get you noticed when you're wrote off because of how you look and have no money. His view has changed on a few things over time, but that's just what happens. You learn you have to forgive certain aspects of your life and channel the caring in another form. People wouldn't struggle if they didn't care and drugs are usually used to cope, but as you learn to get over your problems the resentment goes and so do the drugs. They are linked, but I believe the attitude change stops the drugs. Some people never get over stuff or don't give themselves time to and they don't quit.
Being honest and talking shit online are different. Being honest is privately telling the person it concerns as to try help them. What Tyler did was try boost his views by talking about Eminem on a social media platform and lower Em's sales by forcing his opinion on the public. Tyler got let off. Em's worst mistake was apologising to him, only a sell out more bothered about public opinion than what's right/wrong would be forced into that.
@realBIG1500 It's just not. Instead of trashing the album, Tyler could have messaged Em or his team personally and said try do this instead. Or even publicly said hey yo em I think that was slightly off, why not give this a try. But to say Em has Dre, 50 and many other closer than Tyler is to him, that actually know music and opinion matters, unlike Tyler, he doesn't even need friendly advice from him. It's like an out-of shape football fan saying a player is terrible because he didn't kick the ball with the foot the fans prefers. Like who gives a crap, Eminem's worst work is better than Tyler's best. Hell even if Em lost every one of his senses he'd still out rap and write Tyler.
When you love someone you want them to stay the way they were when you met them but people grow and change. Being famous is tough, you’re livelihoods and reputation Is dependent on you finding a way to stay exactly the same without getting boring. Crazy
I think we got to listen to songs of a person growing up going through stages of life and it's really priceless learning experience that anyone can pick up. Much love
I know for most of my life, I would immediately get defensive when receiving criticism and it wasnt until my mid 30s (I'm 42 now) that I learned to receive criticism with as much grace as I would receive praise. It was one of the most difficult character flaws I've ever learned to overcome and I think that's because I had to be completely honest with myself and unlearn reactionary behavior that was deeply rooted in me from a young age. Once I got there, I realized that the insight gained from criticism is just as valuable as insight gained from praise. Once you apply that correction to the specific aspect being scrutinized, it will result in positive growth. I think Tyler is such a big fan of Em and has so much respect for him that he didn't want to do him the disservice of giving him biased, dishonest feedback. For me personally, I respect honesty and uncompromising integrity in someone's feedback or crtique; it's genuinely helpful and impactful for someone who strives toward positive growth. Now, for someone like Eminem, I can only imagine that struggle, to learn and grow, amplified by 1000%. The fact that he realized his mistake and acknowledged it is impressive and extremely uncommon for someone at the top of their profession. Much respect for both Tyler the Creator and the G.O.A.T. Eminem.
To take a quick quote out from the mitchell's vs the machines "this man has found a way to override his programming" lol ok something like that I believe one the robots said
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…Em’s biggest haters are also his biggest fans. Look at MGK, Budden, Earl, Game etc. It’s fine, I get it, I also wanna tell Em what he should do, how he should sound, what producers to use and who he should collab with. At the end of the day we’re all a bunch of selfish fans
i mean mgk was literally a stan and somehow literally ended like him ,from loving to hate on him and rap devil being like the ending from the stan where he throw himself off the brigde and exactly em can t please everyone he even said it if he drops smth political and not slim shady some fans will like it others will hate it if he gets back to being angry and the slim the same,at the end of the day em just does what he wants to do and we should be happy that he s still around not retired or dead like other legends ,if em would ve died from that overdose today everyone would ve accepted his status and also twitter is not a real place
@@czubimane welp ye he said in the sway interview he actually liked tyler and earl ,he hanged with them just for them to say shit about him ,yk it s not cool you get pissed off,i mean you talk with someone you re cool then they talk shit behing your back
Tyler addressed the situation the most Em way possible. Just because someone is your idol doesn't mean you have to back everything they do. If anything that tweet is what Em needed.
I think everyone is missing some massive context in this, Eminem now has a non binary child, a member of the lgbtq community. He has a lot more empathy than he used to, especially in regards to that.
i loved walk on water, it showed how human eminem was, honestly i think it was fans being salty that he sobered up, became way more complicated and technical with lyrics, to where he started seeming inhuman and the fans lost relatability, he changed from being a hood rat to a chilled out mellow man, dude just grown up while his fnbase didnt due to their atmosphere, and life comlications, it hurt his fans, they couldnt relate to who he became, and became salty, but i appreciated his change as if he didnt, he would of literally died, its a blessing he is still here making music, people need to learn to appreciate what we still have rather then dwell on the past, my favorite album is honestly relapse as its the last time we got wild crazy gangster slim shady, but i still love his new stuff as his skill is unbelievable , he makes great music now and back them, people just get too attached to one thing and wont let it go, feeling like the newer is an imposter trying to replace what they hold dear. , mad respect to both forms as both were masterpieces whether old fans want to accept it or not,
You are probably 100% correct. That's kinda the vibe I've gotten from people who don't like his newer stuff; they just want more of the same and aren't willing to expand their musical interest. When I go back and listen to his older stuff and compare it to his newer stuff, it's blatantly obvious that Eminem has grown as an artist and shows increased technical skill, wisdom, and intellectual nuance. When you're, not only the best at what you do, but appear to be superhuman at times, people will try to find flaws that may or may not exist; either out of jealousy or inability to comprehend. The intellectually challenged human beings of the world, unfortunately make up the majority of human beings of the world.
@@jeffreyval9665 he's referring to Em getting sober. If he hadn't, it would have killed him. In that context, it's not dramatic at all to suggest that he would have died had he not made changes to better himself.
No he only apologized because he called Tyler fake gay and then em did an interview with Elton saying he’s bigger than that so em apologized it was all for LGBT nonsense
The problem is that someone ur brining on a tour with u, and 4-5 months later ur music is getting trashed publicly, where literally nobody asked about ur opinion either, and this was the first time Tyler trashed Em which was in 2014. In 2017 Tyler did it again. Go read those tweets. After that u should go hear what Em had to say. It was well deserved from Em’s side.
@@yousafshady no it wasn’t, it was another time where Eminem got mad sensitive about someone talking on him Which is perfectly fine. But then him and his fans act like that’s not the case Sounds more like after being a star for so long, he forgot what it was like to be honestly critiqued and not had the blow softened cuz of how much Tyler respected Eminem
@@amanSpawn00 Wtf are u talking about? I’m talking about the main reason why Eminem choosed to diss Tyler. He didn’t let him slide the second time he run his ahh to Twitter.
@@yousafshady I’m saying none of that was ‘well deserved’ Tyler gave his critique like a good friend would Furthermore, he said it on an open platform. Cuz like Jay Z. It’s hard to contact the main man. So he put it where it would easily be seen by Eminem. And figured since Em has that idgaf attitude. He would draw from the comment what Tyler meant and not take offence to it Eminem then TOOK OFFENCE to it and dissed him up and down on a song Again, being MAD SENSITIVE. Which is fine as long as you accept it. It takes a real man to accept what he is despite what he portrays Eminem backtracked and then gave a sob story about ‘friends backstabbing him’ when that wasn’t the case at all Ergo, tryna garner sympathy for him basically throwing a temper tantrum on beat Again, had he simply accepted it like shit maybe I jumped the gun, it would’ve all been fine It’s like if I bitch slapped you then when we meet the next day. I act like that wasn’t the case. I’m sorry but that’s some beta male shit. Or at the very least, some mad sensitive shit And seeing as how Eminem had LGBT riots against him in the past. This should feel like nothing Especially coming from Tyler. Someone who was so inspired by Em but didn’t jack his style. Rather he let Eminem influence him to create his own style of Hip Hop within the genre and culture Remember, just like Eminem, Tyler wasn’t accepted in Hip Hop or the media He’s someone who would understand Eminem’s position more than anyone
@@amal-wo2ww he didn’t humiliate him though. He gave an honest critique. As he felt Marshall was the same way. Speaking what was really on his mind and not giving a fuck if anyone took offense to it. He literally commented on the albums like Eminem would if he was seeing it from the outside in The problem is? The world and the media got so SOFT due to everyone bending to PC culture. That somehow THIS sounds offensive when it’s anything BUT that
@@Alexis_7 well ENINEM hasn’t been too private about his opinions either as much as I love him other people just as much as him have the right to have their own opinions and post them online (legal opinions ofc nothing threatening something or someone) em should’ve reached out to Tyler we gotta remember when you put music out everyone’s opinion will be out and he should’ve asked about it a little Tyler wasn’t trying to be condescending just a bit critical of it the whole thing could’ve easily been avoided culture is changing and people are softening up but em knows it isn’t 2002 and he can’t be saying that shit unless he wants gen z on his back tryna cancel him I love him so much but trust me gen z is super petty and soft they’ll find a way to cancel him I’m not even sure how they haven’t even done so yet 😂 but the whole feud wasn’t much just could’ve been mature about it
@@BarbaraSanchezz so youre telling me em cant name drop in a song with enough reason but tyler can leave his opinion about a legend that apreciets him back on tt?
@@gprada Tyler apparently thought it was a really harsh diss. But then again that sounds like Tyler, he's very much the type to respond to a diss with "you owe me an apology."
Tyler name dropped "Paul Rosenberg." As someone who grew up in the Hamptons, I was offered jobs at the "Rosenberg Estate" in Bridgehampton. The very same mansion that hosted Russell Simmons house parties, 1 I'd been to & was S.A.ed by the "house manager" when I was 16 & went with my 18 year old sister, before we knew any of this stuff was real. The VERY same Estate, where a good portion of Diddy's White Parties occured. People should seriously be investigating the Rosenbergs... Wonder if Tyler was a victim & why Em felt to apologize. Many of these people, understand the specifics of how interconnected the spiderweb that is the Industry.
He didn’t make Eminem apologise, Eminem explained he was a little harsh on Tyler. Also, he said in No Regrets “Weapon never unholstered without firing”, meaning even if Tyler backtracked and apologised before Em clapped back, it’s too late. He shoots then asks questions later lmao, always been this way with everyone.
The fact that Em apologized to Tyler just says that he still appreciates Tyler as a long-term supporter. And he's evolving as a man. Also, Idgaf what anyone says, the BET freestyle was dope. ✊🏽
If music is enough to "endanger" anything, be that somebody's mental health, or someone's faith in their religion, then that person was unhinged and soft to begin with
Bruh I thought Walk On Water was fantastic. It's a true look into his heart. Doesn't need to be him spitting rhymes like he was as a 20 year old, 24/7.
@@yousafshady he did not apologize directly like “Tyler I’m sorry” but he realized it wasn’t right he should’ve because that’s his friend but they’re in good terms now I’m pretty sure
Tyler wasn’t two-faced by not liking his stuff. Just because you’re friends with someone doesn’t mean you have to like everything they make and doesn’t mean you can’t say something about it. It’s moronic to pose the question “does this guy deserve to be called a slur for not liking a song?” Of course he doesn’t deserve it it’s a song, you’re not required to like songs, and the songs he disliked were widely disliked, so it’s not any kind of betrayal.
And nobody gonna talk about how Dre made Eminem apologise to Snoop? “Just called Snoop and I talked to him, we all cool Dre, me and the Dogg good, Doc, we got you”
Eminem is the definition of suffering from success. Once you hit a current point it’s extremely hard to maintain that due to people’s views change and you don’t want all your stuff to sound the same
I won't lie, I actually hated Revival whenever it first dropped (mind you I was 12 at the time of it's release). But after taking a random notion to listen to it, I actually took somewhat of a liking to it after a few years (when I was 16). It's definitely not his best project, although it does have some good songs on it in my opinion, those being Believe, River, Nowhere Fast, Offended, In Your Head, Castle, and Arose.
People complaining about Revival because it's "too political" & "tackled social issues" are just people who have never grown up. If you're a rapper and you're still rapping about the same shit when you're 40 that you did when you were 20, then you have literally haven't grown mentally or emotionally.
its not about the content tbh, his political freestyle was trash from a rap theory standpoint altogether. the entire rhyme scheme was weak when you break it down, very short repeated rhyme setups with no evolution in the entire thing. Em was known for pushing what could be done with a rhyme scheme, creating many flows that a lot of rappers have made their entire flow. Em now isnt really pushing for the sake of hiphop anymore, he just pushing for clout.
@@IVIUT3D a lot of people simply missed the more intricate things, for example, chloraseptic is very often criticised for the flow fighting the beat but he makes it very clear at the start that he is riding the high-hats People in the U.S weren't ready hear that they have to work together to fix their problems. But it performed par for the course everywhere else and was the best selling album Christmas time in the U.K 2017
Oh you THINK THAT’S the issue people had with Revival?😂😂😂 oooooh buddy buddy BUDDY! That ain’t it chief The reason it’s hated on is due to the PRODUCTION. Which, in turn, severely affected Eminem’s lyrics. Was the message there? Yes. However, due to Eminem playing off what he got from the terrible production and mixing, people couldn’t hear the message And at that point, it doesn’t matter what he was saying. Cuz to anyone outside of Eminem’s fan base, it’s UNLISTENABLE Nobody complained about Eminem attacking social issues In fact he should do that MORE. The problem was the production which in turn affected the lyrics. Em writes not only to be complex, but to play off the feeling he gets FROM the beats If you rap over terrible production, what do you think happens to the lyricism when you’re playing off of that? Kamikaze had a ton of the production that woulda changed the Revival album for the better
@@amanSpawn00 even if the beats were all terrible, the worst it can get from bad beats alone is 8/10 Sadly most fans don't understand the origin of beats in rap and that many beats were made to be unlistenable to push away casual listeners when discussing serious topics
@ANTI aka Kalamite It seems that was the issue FOR YOU. No matter what you try to say it doesn't change the fact that all music is SUBJECTIVE. If you're the kind of person that values production over substance that's fine. But there are just as many people out there who will hear a song and think it's amazing just due to the message alone. Some are lyrics people, some are musical people, and some are both. It's why 3 people can all listen to the same song and end up having 3 wildly differing opinions about it. It's why ANY song, we'll use Miley Cyrus' 'Wrexking Ball' as an example, can make one person break down into tears feeling It's the greatest song ever written, while at the same time you might hear nothing but pure trash. Unless you're a literal child, and if you are then no offense (but also go tf to bed), then you should have learned this by now. Nobody thinks it's cool to be a music snob my dude. I mean when you break it down it's hilarious that you think YOU, a random person with absolutely ZERO SUCCESS in the music industry, knows more about how someone else's music should've been produced & mixed than one of the most talented & successful artists of all time, who's also working with some of the talented producers & engineers in the game. Nah, it's makes way more sense that they didn't know what they were doing but YOU do lmaooo. So one question to you then: if you're the one who's right about all that's wrong with the album, then tell me logically how, according to you, all of the producers & engineers on the album were somehow able to all "fail" in turning out great music? Because going by your logic, these people who are in the very top of their fields, somehow ALL failed to notice that the work they were doing was just trash? Or does it seem much, much more likely that music is simply subjective? 🤔
I think Tyler the creator clearly had a strong impact on Em and that Em respected him. So when Tyler did this yeah it hurt but I think sometimes seeing past the hurt and looking back at it, I personally think Em would thank him for pushing him to do better because it worked. Em definitely should have apologized for that slur he knows it wasn't even a good or legit comeback and he was trying. Can't hate on Tyler for speaking the truth.
I dont think the issue was him saying the song/album was bad. I think the issue was that instead of it being recieved in a DM or a phone call, saying hey man I don't feel this. It was instead repeatedly put on social media. If your boy is messing up you're going to sit him down and have a talk about it. Not post on his facebook or instagram.
@@Stephen_Vieleit’s hard to say like yeah he should’ve hit him up when honestly idk how many artists could be on that wavelength to even say something direct to him that’s negative. Many artists idolize him and he rarely reciprocates. So if you ain’t close enough to hang out outside of work how tf you gunna be like Marshall I know you’re the goat but this shit is fucking trash. Imagine a bench player telling jordan bro Wtf you went 5/30 with 3 turnovers. my grandma could do better. Just retire already
@@Stephen_Viele exactly. Tyler wasn't obligated to trash on Em's album, if you're cool with someone you just don't bash him publicly when he's down. People make excuses for Tyler saying that he was honest but that's not how this shit works. I still think Eminem made a mistake dissing him, he just had to ignore him and he would have been the bigger man.
I think people need to recognize that his music is changes because he is aging. Like... he isnt a rage filled, drug fueled 20-30something anymore. He is getting older and his perspectives are changing. His music is going to chanfe with it, thats just how it works.
@@spaced4433 Acknowledging a mistake is probably the biggest part of an apology. saying sorry just because the public is angry doen't really cut it. It doesn't matter if he didn't explicitly say sorry, just acknowledging the mistake that he made is so much better
@@mclama1139 imo an apology wasn't needed to begin with. As for doing things because the public is angry, fuck 'em, they'll be angry regardless and you'll never please them. you also didn't prove me wrong. All you said was it can be a part of an apology, and it can. Its important to add acknowledgement of a mistake into an apology to show sincerity, but what i said still isn't wrong.
A few people iterated the fact that Tyler seeing Em as an idol doesn't grant Em cart-blanche to make whatever project and have his fans lick it off the floor. Tyler genuinely respects Em and all the tweets shown in the video never said "Em, YOU'RE trash", they only called the song/album trash or bad or not the same. It's Tyler basically saying "Bro, I KNOW FOR A FACT you have it in you. You've done it before. I KNOW you can do it again." It's the delivery that could be called into question. As to who won? There is no win or lose here.
I think its all fair game for both sides. Two men speaking their mind and being vocal about their feelings. It's okay. Sometimes people get hurt. Sometimes we say things we don't mean, sometimes we say things we mean and regret them later. It's just part of life. I do feel like both Em and Tyler have love for each other at the end of the day though. Wouldn't be surprised if they collab at some point one day.
I don't think Tyler was being 2faced like you said in the video at 11:01 he looked up to Eminem and if you have status in the industry like Tyler has, you're gonna be heard. Every artist receives backlash at some point in their career and Eminem got it from Tyler and a bunch of other people as well.
Bro let's face it, Em comes from a time where that was normal. He doesn't regret shit, he's just saving face because he angered an entire group of people. He probably could not give 2 shits about Tyler. Also, this problem where musicians who make anger-driven music lose their touch is pretty common in metal. Slipknot and Korn are prime examples. It's hard to stay angry when you are living your dream and making millions in the process, and that unfortunately translates into their music.
@@assassin8636 Em is not sorry he dissed Tyler. He's sorry he could've gotten a lot of backlash from the lgbt community. I'm not saying he's homophobic, but he for sure doesn't mind slurs.
No one can win. Can't change or you'll be labeled as a sell out. Can't stay the same or people get bored and then you start getting people calling you a sellout because you're a whatever year old trying to cash in on your early career.
It’s amazing to me hearing people call any of his work bad walk on water was one of the best songs EVER. Just because it was different don’t hate on it. Damn people one day he will be gone then everyone will miss his shit.
I have always loved Eminem's music, regardless of all drama about bad albums and whatever, he has definitely been a source of inspiration for the music that I create, I have enough self restraint to make the choice that the world doesn't need negative music and I don't want to give the impression that I'm a bad person for the dark subject matter in some of my tracks but I need to say that if it wasn't for Eminem's music that I wouldn't have been able to express what goes on in my head, but those tracks I keep private and I don't share them with the world, for example, I don't post them on soundcloud or any sort of social media, whether that's youtube, or any other outlets like that, just because I don't want to give a bad example of who I am or what I believe in.
LOL that was not even a sombero . that hat is called a montera for bull fighters, but I can see how it can get confusing . not taking shis.. just had to check if that part from 0:06 was correct. I mean D12 was wear a sombro, not not Eminem .
As mutch as its right to apologize/acknowledge mistakes, i love the way he didnt give a fuck about people's feelings, and just said whatever in his songs back in his prime. But times have changed now, and people cant even say shit without getting canceled
Well, Eminem never apologised for nothing to noone. What he said in that interview with Sway was that he was angry for what Tyler has been saying against Eminem and that album, and since he never expected Tyler to make fun of Eminem's work, he was in dilemma. Hence, he said what he said. Infact, Em has always praised Tyler for his creativity and work since the beginning. He didn't like/wanted spiting bars against Tyler, but had to do what he did in that song because of Tyler's double role and standard. He never apologised, nor he said SORRY. He just made it clear why he replied Tyler in his song. That's it !
The biggest issue EM has with Tyler wasn't that he clowned the album but the fact that 2 weeks before it dropped Eminem invited multiple people he respected to Dr Dres house/studio for a listening party. Tyler & Earl both arrived, The album started playing front to back & Tyler & Earl both told him & Dre they thought it was dope. So then the album drops & Tyler tweets that & then Earl does but when he was in the same room listening he was going crazy about it being dope as fuck. It came off as super 2 faced to Eminem & Dre because when EM & Dre invited you over it was because they respect ya ear for music & you pull some wild shit like that it just wasn't cool at all ....
Gotta really appreciate this. The way Tyler reacted to Eminem dissing him was like water off a duck's back, and Em isn't so much sorry about what he called Tyler but rather that he dissed him out of frustration rather than a real reason.
Em was my go to MC when I was a teenager. Like 24/7 Em & D12 albums on repeat. Then I guess growing older you start to realize that he's the god of techniques but his content is mid. Even when he tries the social political stuff, it never hits you like a Kendrick or J Cole track would. I still enjoy a good bar by bar breakdown of any new song Marshall drops, but that's all I listen to... Just one time for the "wow" and then move on to anything else 🤷🏻♂️😔 I don't think Em needs to do it differently. I think his fan base just grew older and might not be too much into his style no more. And teenagers these days are not into Eminem at all 😥
@@roycepierson9297 that's exactly what he calls himself, that's why Em said "I see why you call yourself a f###ot " , he still muted the word on the song and said he shouldn't have put it on the track as in his quest to hurt him, he could be hurting a lot more listeners, people are far to soft nowadays.
If Tyler really respected Em as a friend, he would have just told him in privately when they hung out. Not make a huge announcement to the world. He had to have known Em was going to say something eventually. Isn’t that one of the reasons why Em was on of Tyler’s Idols? Because Em wouldn’t hold back towards shit? Em is only at fault in a lot of peoples eye’s because the times are different. If we went back 20 years ago and Em said some of the shit he was saying now, people would eat it up. I’m not on anyone’s side, but I feel like saying that should be a no brainer…. 😟
“What Tyler said was messed up” bro he was criticizing him for making a shitty project it’s not like backstabbed him by doing that either it’s like your friends saying “hey dude that drawing sucked” but you know he’s joking but being a little serious just because Em was one of Tyler’s idols doesn’t devoid him from criticism from Tyler
I liked some of the songs on Revival because they were human as fuck. It's easier to appreciate the artistry in a project without the bias goggles of being a long-time super-fan used to one style. Anyone who hated Walk on Water either isn't an artist and can't relate ipso facto isn't the target audience for it, or is an artist but a narsisistic one. In a profession, any artistic profession, audible or visual, if you don't believe you're the best you'll never be the best. If you don't understand the pressure that comes with, famous or not, then you don't need to be knocking that track. That track hit me HARD. I'm a visual artist by profession and I feel that impostor syndrome and blank-canvas syndrome and self-hatred every single day that I don't kill it with a new life-altering piece.
"Who took home the W?" This is what's wrong with a LOT of things today. NOBODY took a "W" or an "L" in this because it wasn't a competition. They're two adults. Two successful artists. They had an argument and then solved it. Not every situation in life is about winning or losing.
Spoken like someone that takes a lot of Ls
@bigFatPaulie83 Well aren't you just the most clever piece of trash in the trailer patk.
I agree with the first part, but it wasn't really an argument. It was Tyler expressing his opinion, the Eminem turning around and going "Fuck you faggot". Like that's just one sided beef, and tbh, really fucked up.
It's not that deep
@@Ted_Sheckler spoke like someone who is immature and taking the biggest "L's" in life.
Em actually acknowledges this in his song "No Regrets"
"I can make a mistake and erupt and end up takin' a dump. Or sayin' some dumb shit, thinkin' I run shit Misplacin' my anger enough to give Earl and Tyler, The Creator the brunt"
Where he basically says that he was so pissed off at a lot of people talking shit at the time that he thought Tyler and Earl Sweatshirt's comments were also with the intent to diss him, but then he realizes than that wasn't the case.
ye also em on sway he that he actually liked tyler and earl ,and thought they we re cool,they hanged around and made jokes for them to talk shit on the internet,yk that s not cool you get pissed off i mean you talk with somebody then they talk shit is not cool
@@spiridonrobert16 that’s only how Eminem viewed it
Anyone other than Eminem and his Stans saw what Tyler said as CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM
And on the flip side of those comments. Tyler will big up Eminem at almost any time he comes up in discussion. The dude LOVES Eminem. He just ain’t walking around eggshells with the man
@@amanSpawn00 nah not only how em viewed,is not constructive criticism when you just call things trash dude😂 like tyler did with shady xv or walk on water cause those we re literally the reasons why em picked up on tyler and ik tyler loves em but still that s just hate at that point when you get on twitter and say,,oh that shit is trash,,constructive criticism is when you explain why you don t like it explain what he should be better so please don t be ingorant cause it s still not cool when you hang with somebody then thast guy hops on twitter and say your things are trash
same with revival that shit mostly got slander not constructive criticism also let s not even talk about how people starte saying ,,but we miss the old em or his rage,,then dropped kamikaze like what people been asking from him and then they started saying ,,why em is always angry,,that s HYPOCRISY
@@spiridonrobert16 and he did in an interview. Tyler doesn’t detail things in tweets or social media posts
So he said those comments and then radios wanted to ask him in-depth what he meant
But a real homie will tell you straight up if shit is trash or not. That’s what I got out of Tyler’s comments
And again, this isn’t the first time nor the last time Em will get comments he finds negative
And I find it mad sensitive that he’s this way despite going through LITERAL riots against his shit by the LGBT movement
"Shoulda never made a response to the disdain, for the fake ones
Them traitorous punks, 'cause snakes are just ....
They can get ...... with eight hundred mother.... vibrators at once. " No regrets he dissed Tyler and Earl harder not being angry at them
I really don't think Tyler was "two-faced" at all, just because you see someone as an idol, doesn't mean you have to like every single they do, I think out of his love for Eminem he made those tweets and I really don't see it as two-faced to dislike an album, he doesn't have to worship every album just because he idolises Em
facts bro, this vid is pointless
Same shit with MGK. Difference is, MGK killed Marshall
@@rh4709 💀💀mgk is terrible lmao what, eminem made mgk turn from rap into gay emo rock
Exactly what I came here to say.
Actually, openly expressing an honest opinion is pretty much the opposite of being two faced no?
@@Xtennsion His rock albums sold more than Em's last rap album, but go off king
Tyler didnt make em apologize, he realized what he did and apologized.
wh-
@@JustVinceNa Hes basically saying that Em himself knew he went too far. And not that Tyler did something that made Em apologize. I don't know if i explained it right but hope you got it
Semantic. Concern yourself with better things than the technical correctness of a yt title.
The thing I don’t get is why do people say Tyler MADE Eminem apologize? He didn’t make him? Eminem apologized on HIS own
@@TheBeakertube You truly underestimate the pettiness out there fren. Like Einstein said about stupidity, I'll go one further and claim that while there may be an upper bound to how classy you can before it's pretentious there is no bottom for how petty some people be in their day-to-day even.
The thing about Em that people don’t talk about enough is how incredibly hilarious he is. Tyler is the same way. Both are brilliant and a couple of the funniest people
Eminem is miserable lol what are you on about
U are 👍@@TannerisSmol97
@@TannerisSmol97 kiss my white lily ass 😂 u fool....... Lots of stuff haha
louaista is the type of guy that extends a twitter drama to 11 minutes of content.
hahaha yeah i am. i like go by the saying "a tweet is worth a million words"
@@louaistawell said
@@louaista”here comes the money”
@@louaista nah thats actually fire props to you my guy thats some real talent no joke lmfao
@@louaistastop making things complicated bro
everyone complaining how Em changed when he got sober... i know with my personal experience with major addiction to opiates who is now sober and have been for years, i know what it can do to you. so when he got sober, he literally was a different person, his brain chemistry literally changed. i LOVE slim shady n how hard n raw he was, but i also LOVE being able to watch his growth as a person and artist n no matter how many "flops" he has, ill always be a Stan.
best comment I've read so far. It's so true, what you said about getting sober. I was terrified of the person who was gonna emerge when I finally did the deal and got my shit back in line. It's a scary transformation
Em has always been a caring and loving person, he's wrote songs about his daughter and family his whole life. It just doesn't sell and doesn't get you noticed when you're wrote off because of how you look and have no money. His view has changed on a few things over time, but that's just what happens. You learn you have to forgive certain aspects of your life and channel the caring in another form. People wouldn't struggle if they didn't care and drugs are usually used to cope, but as you learn to get over your problems the resentment goes and so do the drugs. They are linked, but I believe the attitude change stops the drugs. Some people never get over stuff or don't give themselves time to and they don't quit.
I don't think Tyler was two faced at all. Dude is just really honest. People's feelings get hurt when you're honest. Plain and simple.
Being honest and talking shit online are different. Being honest is privately telling the person it concerns as to try help them. What Tyler did was try boost his views by talking about Eminem on a social media platform and lower Em's sales by forcing his opinion on the public. Tyler got let off. Em's worst mistake was apologising to him, only a sell out more bothered about public opinion than what's right/wrong would be forced into that.
Tyler still did not have to tweet that though he could have kept that to himself
@@kylehowson4094this comment clearly shows you have absolutly no idea who Tyler Is as a person lmao
@@kylehowson4094 sometimes talking shit is being honest man
@realBIG1500 It's just not. Instead of trashing the album, Tyler could have messaged Em or his team personally and said try do this instead. Or even publicly said hey yo em I think that was slightly off, why not give this a try. But to say Em has Dre, 50 and many other closer than Tyler is to him, that actually know music and opinion matters, unlike Tyler, he doesn't even need friendly advice from him. It's like an out-of shape football fan saying a player is terrible because he didn't kick the ball with the foot the fans prefers. Like who gives a crap, Eminem's worst work is better than Tyler's best. Hell even if Em lost every one of his senses he'd still out rap and write Tyler.
Walk on water is a classic! Like he said...even wen he puts out trash he still gets the bag.
When you love someone you want them to stay the way they were when you met them but people grow and change. Being famous is tough, you’re livelihoods and reputation Is dependent on you finding a way to stay exactly the same without getting boring. Crazy
Okay?
@@assassin8636fym okay😭😭
I think Tyler and Eminem should just give each other a real hug 😔
Em ain't with tagat gei $hit
@@derrick1511Well, maybe he should man the f*ck up and hug the boy anyways. Him being such a baby is why people don't respect the guy anymore.
@@sporeham1674 says the one who just bleeped himself
@themealbuddies7676
Probably due to youtube deleting comments with certain words etc.
"shake your hands and say sorry" ahh comment
He didn't MAKE him do anything, he just knew he was wrong in that instance.
eminem is not gon fw you bro
Bro stop Stanning so hard, its the same thing
Its literally the same thing dude
stop blowing him off bro he does not know u
@@haadyabdul1683 is not staning is true :)it still not an apologize also tyler didn t make him apologize em actually liked tyler lol
I really don't see how voicing your opinion whether good or bad makes someone 2 faced ? Its honesty and respect .
I think we got to listen to songs of a person growing up going through stages of life and it's really priceless learning experience that anyone can pick up. Much love
I know for most of my life, I would immediately get defensive when receiving criticism and it wasnt until my mid 30s (I'm 42 now) that I learned to receive criticism with as much grace as I would receive praise.
It was one of the most difficult character flaws I've ever learned to overcome and I think that's because I had to be completely honest with myself and unlearn reactionary behavior that was deeply rooted in me from a young age.
Once I got there, I realized that the insight gained from criticism is just as valuable as insight gained from praise.
Once you apply that correction to the specific aspect being scrutinized, it will result in positive growth.
I think Tyler is such a big fan of Em and has so much respect for him that he didn't want to do him the disservice of giving him biased, dishonest feedback.
For me personally, I respect honesty and uncompromising integrity in someone's feedback or crtique; it's genuinely helpful and impactful for someone who strives toward positive growth.
Now, for someone like Eminem, I can only imagine that struggle, to learn and grow, amplified by 1000%.
The fact that he realized his mistake and acknowledged it is impressive and extremely uncommon for someone at the top of their profession.
Much respect for both Tyler the Creator and the G.O.A.T. Eminem.
well put 👍
I got great respect for you.
To take a quick quote out from the mitchell's vs the machines "this man has found a way to override his programming" lol ok something like that I believe one the robots said
However, Em is a great Rapper and lyricist, IMO 10× more talented than Drake. He isn't my goat, but he has my respect.
Bruce Lee said it best: “Correct a wise man and he will thank you. Correct a fool and he will hate you.”
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…Em’s biggest haters are also his biggest fans. Look at MGK, Budden, Earl, Game etc. It’s fine, I get it, I also wanna tell Em what he should do, how he should sound, what producers to use and who he should collab with. At the end of the day we’re all a bunch of selfish fans
Facts, this also the case for some other artist
i mean mgk was literally a stan and somehow literally ended like him ,from loving to hate on him and rap devil being like the ending from the stan where he throw himself off the brigde and exactly em can t please everyone he even said it if he drops smth political and not slim shady some fans will like it others will hate it if he gets back to being angry and the slim the same,at the end of the day em just does what he wants to do and we should be happy that he s still around not retired or dead like other legends ,if em would ve died from that overdose today everyone would ve accepted his status and also twitter is not a real place
I know I can attest to me being a huge fan and a huge hater at the same time.
@@breejordon6042 is kinda weird to love and hate a guy at the same time but at least you can give bro his props :)
I mean there's a difference between tyler and earl just not liking his newer music and mgk being straight up nasty about his daughter
He still made it clear in the beginning of the song called NO REGRETS that he wouldn't change anything
yeah but he also said "Misplacin' my anger enough to give Earl and Tyler, The Creator the brunt"
@@czubimane welp ye he said in the sway interview he actually liked tyler and earl ,he hanged with them just for them to say shit about him ,yk it s not cool you get pissed off,i mean you talk with someone you re cool then they talk shit behing your back
@@czubimane He just meant that he shouldn’t have rage out on traitors.
he was probably reffering to his career and all the controversies he caused with his songs and violent lyrics tho
@@spiridonrobert16take the L
Tyler addressed the situation the most Em way possible. Just because someone is your idol doesn't mean you have to back everything they do. If anything that tweet is what Em needed.
True, respected idols need to handle criticism.
Tyler continued to go on complaining about ems work every time he was interviewed it was more than criticism
I think everyone is missing some massive context in this, Eminem now has a non binary child, a member of the lgbtq community. He has a lot more empathy than he used to, especially in regards to that.
"made" is strong word. Tyler just criticised him, em didnt like it but realised he was in the wrong. Nobody made him
Tyler still proclaims his love for em. They’re still good. I really hope at some point we get em and T
That would be fire, but i think tyler has diverged musically to make it fit
i loved walk on water, it showed how human eminem was, honestly i think it was fans being salty that he sobered up, became way more complicated and technical with lyrics, to where he started seeming inhuman and the fans lost relatability, he changed from being a hood rat to a chilled out mellow man, dude just grown up while his fnbase didnt due to their atmosphere, and life comlications, it hurt his fans, they couldnt relate to who he became, and became salty, but i appreciated his change as if he didnt, he would of literally died, its a blessing he is still here making music, people need to learn to appreciate what we still have rather then dwell on the past, my favorite album is honestly relapse as its the last time we got wild crazy gangster slim shady, but i still love his new stuff as his skill is unbelievable , he makes great music now and back them, people just get too attached to one thing and wont let it go, feeling like the newer is an imposter trying to replace what they hold dear. , mad respect to both forms as both were masterpieces whether old fans want to accept it or not,
Lord it's not that deep 😂
People just angry Em grow up. How long people want him to be angry slim shady ?
You are probably 100% correct. That's kinda the vibe I've gotten from people who don't like his newer stuff; they just want more of the same and aren't willing to expand their musical interest.
When I go back and listen to his older stuff and compare it to his newer stuff, it's blatantly obvious that Eminem has grown as an artist and shows increased technical skill, wisdom, and intellectual nuance.
When you're, not only the best at what you do, but appear to be superhuman at times, people will try to find flaws that may or may not exist; either out of jealousy or inability to comprehend.
The intellectually challenged human beings of the world, unfortunately make up the majority of human beings of the world.
He wouldn't of died!! Stop being so dramatic!!
@@jeffreyval9665 he's referring to Em getting sober. If he hadn't, it would have killed him. In that context, it's not dramatic at all to suggest that he would have died had he not made changes to better himself.
Bro you have a way with making me listen to your stories back to back WELL DONE
For Em to apologize, I think that question answers itself….sometimes we make mistakes. He’s a GOAT and man enough to own it.
No he only apologized because he called Tyler fake gay and then em did an interview with Elton saying he’s bigger than that so em apologized it was all for LGBT nonsense
@@behappybemad2828fuck are you yapping about
Tyler was just speaking his mind like Eminem does what's the problem
The problem is that someone ur brining on a tour with u, and 4-5 months later ur music is getting trashed publicly, where literally nobody asked about ur opinion either, and this was the first time Tyler trashed Em which was in 2014. In 2017 Tyler did it again. Go read those tweets. After that u should go hear what Em had to say. It was well deserved from Em’s side.
@@yousafshady no it wasn’t, it was another time where Eminem got mad sensitive about someone talking on him
Which is perfectly fine. But then him and his fans act like that’s not the case
Sounds more like after being a star for so long, he forgot what it was like to be honestly critiqued and not had the blow softened cuz of how much Tyler respected Eminem
@@amanSpawn00 Wtf are u talking about? I’m talking about the main reason why Eminem choosed to diss Tyler. He didn’t let him slide the second time he run his ahh to Twitter.
@@amanSpawn00 Em has always been the idgaf guy since day one and he will respond to u no matter who u are or how much u lowkey respect him.
@@yousafshady I’m saying none of that was ‘well deserved’
Tyler gave his critique like a good friend would
Furthermore, he said it on an open platform. Cuz like Jay Z. It’s hard to contact the main man. So he put it where it would easily be seen by Eminem. And figured since Em has that idgaf attitude. He would draw from the comment what Tyler meant and not take offence to it
Eminem then TOOK OFFENCE to it and dissed him up and down on a song
Again, being MAD SENSITIVE. Which is fine as long as you accept it. It takes a real man to accept what he is despite what he portrays
Eminem backtracked and then gave a sob story about ‘friends backstabbing him’ when that wasn’t the case at all
Ergo, tryna garner sympathy for him basically throwing a temper tantrum on beat
Again, had he simply accepted it like shit maybe I jumped the gun, it would’ve all been fine
It’s like if I bitch slapped you then when we meet the next day. I act like that wasn’t the case. I’m sorry but that’s some beta male shit. Or at the very least, some mad sensitive shit
And seeing as how Eminem had LGBT riots against him in the past. This should feel like nothing
Especially coming from Tyler. Someone who was so inspired by Em but didn’t jack his style. Rather he let Eminem influence him to create his own style of Hip Hop within the genre and culture
Remember, just like Eminem, Tyler wasn’t accepted in Hip Hop or the media
He’s someone who would understand Eminem’s position more than anyone
None of them took the W imo. I can see why Tyler was saying this type of stuff cuz the realest homies are always the ones that are real with you
but i feel like instead of doing it when you both have a huge fan base and kind of humiliating your homie you would talk to them privately
@@amal-wo2ww he didn’t humiliate him though. He gave an honest critique. As he felt Marshall was the same way. Speaking what was really on his mind and not giving a fuck if anyone took offense to it. He literally commented on the albums like Eminem would if he was seeing it from the outside in
The problem is? The world and the media got so SOFT due to everyone bending to PC culture. That somehow THIS sounds offensive when it’s anything BUT that
YEAH when you do it on a phone call or private conversation not on twitter
@@Alexis_7 well ENINEM hasn’t been too private about his opinions either as much as I love him other people just as much as him have the right to have their own opinions and post them online (legal opinions ofc nothing threatening something or someone) em should’ve reached out to Tyler we gotta remember when you put music out everyone’s opinion will be out and he should’ve asked about it a little Tyler wasn’t trying to be condescending just a bit critical of it the whole thing could’ve easily been avoided culture is changing and people are softening up but em knows it isn’t 2002 and he can’t be saying that shit unless he wants gen z on his back tryna cancel him I love him so much but trust me gen z is super petty and soft they’ll find a way to cancel him I’m not even sure how they haven’t even done so yet 😂 but the whole feud wasn’t much just could’ve been mature about it
@@BarbaraSanchezz so youre telling me em cant name drop in a song with enough reason but tyler can leave his opinion about a legend that apreciets him back on tt?
Gotta love that Eminem dissed Tyler so deeply that even Em felt he did him too dirty 😂
The diss wasn’t even all that great tho. He just said a slur because he was angry 💀
@@gprada Tyler apparently thought it was a really harsh diss. But then again that sounds like Tyler, he's very much the type to respond to a diss with "you owe me an apology."
@@ThatGirlMisty LMAOOO when you put it like that you’re right
@@ThatGirlMisty Tyler weren't bothered why the cap
@@ThatGirlMisty dumbasshoeswholistentoraparetheworst
imagine calling someone out for quitting drugs
Tyler name dropped "Paul Rosenberg."
As someone who grew up in the Hamptons, I was offered jobs at the "Rosenberg Estate" in Bridgehampton. The very same mansion that hosted Russell Simmons house parties, 1 I'd been to & was S.A.ed by the "house manager" when I was 16 & went with my 18 year old sister, before we knew any of this stuff was real. The VERY same Estate, where a good portion of Diddy's White Parties occured.
People should seriously be investigating the Rosenbergs...
Wonder if Tyler was a victim & why Em felt to apologize. Many of these people, understand the specifics of how interconnected the spiderweb that is the Industry.
Bro been grinding lately on the long forms 🔥 keep it up!
thanks man! you as well! we're making it out the hood 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Bro em just felt he was wrong in that instant nothing more nothing less
Tyler didn’t mess up at all, he just said he didn’t like the album
This was a very good breakdown....I think it's just a progression of 2 guys having an issue seeing eye to eye, and gradually gettin it together
He didn’t make Eminem apologise, Eminem explained he was a little harsh on Tyler.
Also, he said in No Regrets “Weapon never unholstered without firing”, meaning even if Tyler backtracked and apologised before Em clapped back, it’s too late. He shoots then asks questions later lmao, always been this way with everyone.
He also apologized in yellow bricks road but made an even more controversial statement the second after💀
That apology was needed. You can have beef with someone, but going so far as to calling them slurs is way too wrong
The fact that Em apologized to Tyler just says that he still appreciates Tyler as a long-term supporter. And he's evolving as a man.
Also, Idgaf what anyone says, the BET freestyle was dope. ✊🏽
He didn’t apologize tho 😭
If music is enough to "endanger" anything, be that somebody's mental health, or someone's faith in their religion, then that person was unhinged and soft to begin with
He knew he was wrong, but I don’t think he would’ve apologized to anyone. Tyler definitely has respect for sure
Bruh I thought Walk On Water was fantastic. It's a true look into his heart. Doesn't need to be him spitting rhymes like he was as a 20 year old, 24/7.
I just wish RiRi was on it instead of old girl
You’d be in the vast minority
Eminem realized his mistake they've stopped "the beef" tyler didint take a W Eminem just realized what he said was wrong and said sorry
He never said sorry and he don’t need to
@@yousafshady he did not apologize directly like “Tyler I’m sorry” but he realized it wasn’t right he should’ve because that’s his friend but they’re in good terms now I’m pretty sure
@@yousafshady it’s like ure tryna make ppl perceive em as a man child lmfao
Tyler wasn’t two-faced by not liking his stuff. Just because you’re friends with someone doesn’t mean you have to like everything they make and doesn’t mean you can’t say something about it. It’s moronic to pose the question “does this guy deserve to be called a slur for not liking a song?” Of course he doesn’t deserve it it’s a song, you’re not required to like songs, and the songs he disliked were widely disliked, so it’s not any kind of betrayal.
And nobody gonna talk about how Dre made Eminem apologise to Snoop?
“Just called Snoop and I talked to him, we all cool
Dre, me and the Dogg good, Doc, we got you”
Eminem is the definition of suffering from success. Once you hit a current point it’s extremely hard to maintain that due to people’s views change and you don’t want all your stuff to sound the same
I won't lie, I actually hated Revival whenever it first dropped (mind you I was 12 at the time of it's release). But after taking a random notion to listen to it, I actually took somewhat of a liking to it after a few years (when I was 16). It's definitely not his best project, although it does have some good songs on it in my opinion, those being Believe, River, Nowhere Fast, Offended, In Your Head, Castle, and Arose.
You have to be musically inept if you think River and Believe are good songs
castle and aros shouldve been left for a better album, way too good to have been wasted on revival
People complaining about Revival because it's "too political" & "tackled social issues" are just people who have never grown up. If you're a rapper and you're still rapping about the same shit when you're 40 that you did when you were 20, then you have literally haven't grown mentally or emotionally.
its not about the content tbh, his political freestyle was trash from a rap theory standpoint altogether. the entire rhyme scheme was weak when you break it down, very short repeated rhyme setups with no evolution in the entire thing. Em was known for pushing what could be done with a rhyme scheme, creating many flows that a lot of rappers have made their entire flow. Em now isnt really pushing for the sake of hiphop anymore, he just pushing for clout.
@@IVIUT3D a lot of people simply missed the more intricate things, for example, chloraseptic is very often criticised for the flow fighting the beat but he makes it very clear at the start that he is riding the high-hats
People in the U.S weren't ready hear that they have to work together to fix their problems. But it performed par for the course everywhere else and was the best selling album Christmas time in the U.K 2017
Oh you THINK THAT’S the issue people had with Revival?😂😂😂 oooooh buddy buddy BUDDY! That ain’t it chief
The reason it’s hated on is due to the PRODUCTION. Which, in turn, severely affected Eminem’s lyrics. Was the message there? Yes. However, due to Eminem playing off what he got from the terrible production and mixing, people couldn’t hear the message
And at that point, it doesn’t matter what he was saying. Cuz to anyone outside of Eminem’s fan base, it’s UNLISTENABLE
Nobody complained about Eminem attacking social issues
In fact he should do that MORE. The problem was the production which in turn affected the lyrics. Em writes not only to be complex, but to play off the feeling he gets FROM the beats
If you rap over terrible production, what do you think happens to the lyricism when you’re playing off of that?
Kamikaze had a ton of the production that woulda changed the Revival album for the better
@@amanSpawn00 even if the beats were all terrible, the worst it can get from bad beats alone is 8/10
Sadly most fans don't understand the origin of beats in rap and that many beats were made to be unlistenable to push away casual listeners when discussing serious topics
@ANTI aka Kalamite It seems that was the issue FOR YOU. No matter what you try to say it doesn't change the fact that all music is SUBJECTIVE.
If you're the kind of person that values production over substance that's fine. But there are just as many people out there who will hear a song and think it's amazing just due to the message alone.
Some are lyrics people, some are musical people, and some are both. It's why 3 people can all listen to the same song and end up having 3 wildly differing opinions about it. It's why ANY song, we'll use Miley Cyrus' 'Wrexking Ball' as an example, can make one person break down into tears feeling It's the greatest song ever written, while at the same time you might hear nothing but pure trash.
Unless you're a literal child, and if you are then no offense (but also go tf to bed), then you should have learned this by now. Nobody thinks it's cool to be a music snob my dude. I mean when you break it down it's hilarious that you think YOU, a random person with absolutely ZERO SUCCESS in the music industry, knows more about how someone else's music should've been produced & mixed than one of the most talented & successful artists of all time, who's also working with some of the talented producers & engineers in the game.
Nah, it's makes way more sense that they didn't know what they were doing but YOU do lmaooo.
So one question to you then: if you're the one who's right about all that's wrong with the album, then tell me logically how, according to you, all of the producers & engineers on the album were somehow able to all "fail" in turning out great music? Because going by your logic, these people who are in the very top of their fields, somehow ALL failed to notice that the work they were doing was just trash? Or does it seem much, much more likely that music is simply subjective? 🤔
I think Tyler the creator clearly had a strong impact on Em and that Em respected him. So when Tyler did this yeah it hurt but I think sometimes seeing past the hurt and looking back at it, I personally think Em would thank him for pushing him to do better because it worked. Em definitely should have apologized for that slur he knows it wasn't even a good or legit comeback and he was trying. Can't hate on Tyler for speaking the truth.
I dont think the issue was him saying the song/album was bad. I think the issue was that instead of it being recieved in a DM or a phone call, saying hey man I don't feel this. It was instead repeatedly put on social media. If your boy is messing up you're going to sit him down and have a talk about it. Not post on his facebook or instagram.
@@Stephen_Vieleit’s hard to say like yeah he should’ve hit him up when honestly idk how many artists could be on that wavelength to even say something direct to him that’s negative. Many artists idolize him and he rarely reciprocates. So if you ain’t close enough to hang out outside of work how tf you gunna be like Marshall I know you’re the goat but this shit is fucking trash. Imagine a bench player telling jordan bro Wtf you went 5/30 with 3 turnovers. my grandma could do better. Just retire already
@@Stephen_Viele exactly. Tyler wasn't obligated to trash on Em's album, if you're cool with someone you just don't bash him publicly when he's down. People make excuses for Tyler saying that he was honest but that's not how this shit works. I still think Eminem made a mistake dissing him, he just had to ignore him and he would have been the bigger man.
Revival was, and is not bad. River is a beautiful song that has a beautiful message and wordplay that is incredibly unappreciated.
I think people need to recognize that his music is changes because he is aging. Like... he isnt a rage filled, drug fueled 20-30something anymore. He is getting older and his perspectives are changing. His music is going to chanfe with it, thats just how it works.
lots of people hate revival and relapse I liked those albums tbh
I think em was just mad at the time but he took Tyler words to hart and saw what he ment and that he wasn't really trying to be harmful
*heart *meant
Eminem didn't apologize to Tyler. He said that maybe he shouldn't have dissed him, but still...no regrets.
He literally said I just crossed the line
@@sethbertrand3343 that's called acknowledging a mistake, not apologizing. The two things aren't synonymous.
@@spaced4433 Acknowledging a mistake is probably the biggest part of an apology. saying sorry just because the public is angry doen't really cut it. It doesn't matter if he didn't explicitly say sorry, just acknowledging the mistake that he made is so much better
@@mclama1139 I agree, saying sorry / regretting it is just a symptom
@@mclama1139 imo an apology wasn't needed to begin with. As for doing things because the public is angry, fuck 'em, they'll be angry regardless and you'll never please them.
you also didn't prove me wrong. All you said was it can be a part of an apology, and it can. Its important to add acknowledgement of a mistake into an apology to show sincerity, but what i said still isn't wrong.
Eminem apologized for something he knew he should’ve, Tyler is stating honest opinions, that’s it
When did he apologize tho
just because you like him doesn't mean you have to like every thing he produces lmao, Tyler is just sincere, not "two faced"
Tyler should feel very honored the only person to ever get a real apology from eminem
0:13 poor babys got thare feelings hurt
All the people I know who use the flag on your pfp are either furries or rascist, your choice
MAMAAAAAAA HE PUSHED ME DOWN THE SLIDEEEEEEE
This corny as hell
Fr lol
Wrong there bud, it's their not there.
Shady XV has some really great tracks on it. Its a good album in my opinion.
Same
A few people iterated the fact that Tyler seeing Em as an idol doesn't grant Em cart-blanche to make whatever project and have his fans lick it off the floor. Tyler genuinely respects Em and all the tweets shown in the video never said "Em, YOU'RE trash", they only called the song/album trash or bad or not the same. It's Tyler basically saying "Bro, I KNOW FOR A FACT you have it in you. You've done it before. I KNOW you can do it again." It's the delivery that could be called into question.
As to who won? There is no win or lose here.
kamizaze and tha carter 5 came out around the same time and got me through the roughest time in my life. forever two of the closest albums to my heart
9:05: "YOU'RE SACK-RELIGIOUS"!!!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
YESSSS
I think its all fair game for both sides. Two men speaking their mind and being vocal about their feelings. It's okay. Sometimes people get hurt. Sometimes we say things we don't mean, sometimes we say things we mean and regret them later. It's just part of life. I do feel like both Em and Tyler have love for each other at the end of the day though. Wouldn't be surprised if they collab at some point one day.
I don't think Tyler was being 2faced like you said in the video at 11:01 he looked up to Eminem and if you have status in the industry like Tyler has, you're gonna be heard. Every artist receives backlash at some point in their career and Eminem got it from Tyler and a bunch of other people as well.
Bro let's face it, Em comes from a time where that was normal. He doesn't regret shit, he's just saving face because he angered an entire group of people. He probably could not give 2 shits about Tyler.
Also, this problem where musicians who make anger-driven music lose their touch is pretty common in metal. Slipknot and Korn are prime examples. It's hard to stay angry when you are living your dream and making millions in the process, and that unfortunately translates into their music.
Tyler better
Um what are you saying here?
@@assassin8636 Em is not sorry he dissed Tyler. He's sorry he could've gotten a lot of backlash from the lgbt community. I'm not saying he's homophobic, but he for sure doesn't mind slurs.
@@cako666 I don't know em that well
@@cako666 Em has been getting backlash throughout his entire life, he doesn't care, but he knows he maybe crossed the line when dissing Tyler
I really like that photo at the end where Em is flipping off like a cool guy and Tyler's just got Heinz
Slim Shady wouldn't apologize, he'd call him worse things.
I still don't understand why nobody want their favourite artists to grow
I mean they've to, there's nothing they can do
No one can win. Can't change or you'll be labeled as a sell out. Can't stay the same or people get bored and then you start getting people calling you a sellout because you're a whatever year old trying to cash in on your early career.
Tyler da one going backwards
It’s amazing to me hearing people call any of his work bad walk on water was one of the best songs EVER. Just because it was different don’t hate on it. Damn people one day he will be gone then everyone will miss his shit.
I HATE CANCEL CULTURE
If it were a thing, it would work, and it'd be shown very clearly
Hell yea great work man! I love relapse. Probably because I like Shady more than Eminem by far.
Once you make "fuck you" money, you can make whatever album you want. He did just that. I respect it.
I have always loved Eminem's music, regardless of all drama about bad albums and whatever, he has definitely been a source of inspiration for the music that I create, I have enough self restraint to make the choice that the world doesn't need negative music and I don't want to give the impression that I'm a bad person for the dark subject matter in some of my tracks but I need to say that if it wasn't for Eminem's music that I wouldn't have been able to express what goes on in my head, but those tracks I keep private and I don't share them with the world, for example, I don't post them on soundcloud or any sort of social media, whether that's youtube, or any other outlets like that, just because I don't want to give a bad example of who I am or what I believe in.
LOL that was not even a sombero . that hat is called a montera for bull fighters, but I can see how it can get confusing . not taking shis.. just had to check if that part from 0:06 was correct. I mean D12 was wear a sombro, not not Eminem .
He also apologized to Rihanna because a old song where he says stuff about her got leaked
You can't take what Em says lightly, he put a lot of thought into his lyrics. So for him to say he was wrong, I believe he meant it.
As mutch as its right to apologize/acknowledge mistakes, i love the way he didnt give a fuck about people's feelings, and just said whatever in his songs back in his prime. But times have changed now, and people cant even say shit without getting canceled
No he’s just matured
Ya'll are funny. Em was cancelled before cancel culture was even a thing. Y'know, getting banned from MTV and stuff?
Relax guys I like gay men right Ken gimme an Amen😂
Amennn
He didnt make Em apologize, he just made em overreact and tweak out on him, feel bad and offer a retraction later
ye he also said in the interview on sway that he basically liked earl and tyler
Well, Eminem never apologised for nothing to noone. What he said in that interview with Sway was that he was angry for what Tyler has been saying against Eminem and that album, and since he never expected Tyler to make fun of Eminem's work, he was in dilemma. Hence, he said what he said. Infact, Em has always praised Tyler for his creativity and work since the beginning. He didn't like/wanted spiting bars against Tyler, but had to do what he did in that song because of Tyler's double role and standard.
He never apologised, nor he said SORRY. He just made it clear why he replied Tyler in his song. That's it !
Um what? What are you talking about?
@@assassin8636the truth lol
The only way to truly win beef is to squash it, or truly stop caring. Otherwise, how you feel about it is wholly dependent on the other.
It's not being "two-faced", it's just called "growing up and learning and changing your opinion". Both Em and Tyler did.
8:45 is probably what you're looking for.
🙏 My man
Em apologized on Iggy too. As Em fan, he was wrong about that Rape bar.
EMINEM Definitely my top 5 because he works so hard but he needs more Dr Dre melman and 45 king production thats the Eminem i miss
The biggest issue EM has with Tyler wasn't that he clowned the album but the fact that 2 weeks before it dropped Eminem invited multiple people he respected to Dr Dres house/studio for a listening party. Tyler & Earl both arrived, The album started playing front to back & Tyler & Earl both told him & Dre they thought it was dope. So then the album drops & Tyler tweets that & then Earl does but when he was in the same room listening he was going crazy about it being dope as fuck. It came off as super 2 faced to Eminem & Dre because when EM & Dre invited you over it was because they respect ya ear for music & you pull some wild shit like that it just wasn't cool at all ....
Gotta really appreciate this. The way Tyler reacted to Eminem dissing him was like water off a duck's back, and Em isn't so much sorry about what he called Tyler but rather that he dissed him out of frustration rather than a real reason.
Em was my go to MC when I was a teenager. Like 24/7 Em & D12 albums on repeat.
Then I guess growing older you start to realize that he's the god of techniques but his content is mid. Even when he tries the social political stuff, it never hits you like a Kendrick or J Cole track would.
I still enjoy a good bar by bar breakdown of any new song Marshall drops, but that's all I listen to... Just one time for the "wow" and then move on to anything else 🤷🏻♂️😔
I don't think Em needs to do it differently. I think his fan base just grew older and might not be too much into his style no more. And teenagers these days are not into Eminem at all 😥
Those 2 guys you mentioned look up to Eminem. He's going down as one of the GOATs.
@@milaninter2442 he didn't say they didn't or he isn't?
@@Antwannnn Okay?
@@milaninter2442 okay? sooo wtf was the point in bringing it up? Get Ems balls out your mouth for just sec
LMAOOO 2:30 WHAT SONG IS this💀💀💀😭
Tron Cat - Tyler.
Maybe you found it/don’t care anymore by the time I wrote this. But just putting it out there
"did Tyler get what he deserved by dissing eminem"
Bro em called him a literal slur 💀nobody deserves that shit
Well I’m pretty sure they made up
@@BarbaraSanchezz No, Eminem actually said the slur.
@@roycepierson9297 that's exactly what he calls himself, that's why Em said "I see why you call yourself a f###ot " , he still muted the word on the song and said he shouldn't have put it on the track as in his quest to hurt him, he could be hurting a lot more listeners, people are far to soft nowadays.
you can and should keep crying about it
Cry about it
I think that the fact Eminem chose to apologize in this case shows real growth.
Cold Wind Blows is still one my favorite songs ever. I'm glad he did Recovery.
not Eminem stans tryna defend him in the comments💀
bro did you see the guy who wrote a whole movie script defending him? like, why take so much time of your life
Defending him from what exactly ?
If Tyler really respected Em as a friend, he would have just told him in privately when they hung out. Not make a huge announcement to the world. He had to have known Em was going to say something eventually. Isn’t that one of the reasons why Em was on of Tyler’s Idols? Because Em wouldn’t hold back towards shit? Em is only at fault in a lot of peoples eye’s because the times are different. If we went back 20 years ago and Em said some of the shit he was saying now, people would eat it up. I’m not on anyone’s side, but I feel like saying that should be a no brainer…. 😟
Dude Tyler is a kid he was doing what kids do
@@thestonecanoe3159 bro at that time he was like 26, not a kid at all
I like stringed beans
Slim Shady pussed out. He should have just left it alone.
No apologies needed, it wasn't too far back then, it's not now, sensitivities of gone too far.
I didn't care about anything in this vid, but Eminem apologising to an OG Rapper...Now that's respect.
“What Tyler said was messed up” bro he was criticizing him for making a shitty project it’s not like backstabbed him by doing that either it’s like your friends saying “hey dude that drawing sucked” but you know he’s joking but being a little serious just because Em was one of Tyler’s idols doesn’t devoid him from criticism from Tyler
I liked some of the songs on Revival because they were human as fuck. It's easier to appreciate the artistry in a project without the bias goggles of being a long-time super-fan used to one style. Anyone who hated Walk on Water either isn't an artist and can't relate ipso facto isn't the target audience for it, or is an artist but a narsisistic one. In a profession, any artistic profession, audible or visual, if you don't believe you're the best you'll never be the best. If you don't understand the pressure that comes with, famous or not, then you don't need to be knocking that track. That track hit me HARD. I'm a visual artist by profession and I feel that impostor syndrome and blank-canvas syndrome and self-hatred every single day that I don't kill it with a new life-altering piece.
People wanted the old Eminem and that's exactly what they got in the Fall. Bro is ruthless
Royce is true friend that’s your response regardless if the album is trash or not