Yeah, I have to agree. I’m not even someone who’s ever followed the Tour de France or cycle racing, but I actually do enjoy this stuff because I’m a nerd for technology and data and this stuff is just plain cool. Things like this are what has actually _started_ to get me interested in bike races and some of their associated accoutrements.
😂 57! lol. Reminds me of a vintage shop jersey I have from Handlebars Cycle Co in Tonawanda NY, circa 2000. It has 6 bike brand logos on it. I love and appreciate you saying that just because sponsored riders are using a piece of gear doesn’t make it good. Keep up the good work!
Amazing content as usual! I normally find other channels walk arounds boring, but yours are engaging and informative as usual! I imagine the pros come and ask your opinion on what products they should be using, decals blacked out of course! 😂
BEFORE ANYONE ASKS, masks are required to be worn in the team areas (see 0:26) to reduce the risk of them getting sick (e.g. cold, flu, or any other respiratory illness) as the teams have dedicated a lot of their lives to get to the TdF and it would be a huge waste if they got sick and had to miss out because someone else doesn't understand science.
"understand science" is laughable. zero science supports wearing masks outdoors. it's just some feel-good measure that accomplishes nothing. still, media people need to follow the rules whether they agree or not
@@andrewmcalister3462 lol he chose to pull out. we really have no idea how bad he was really feeling. he won the tt stage on the same day he was supposedly "sick". Any other respiratory virus in past years and athletes would have just kept plugging along until they couldn't. No one knows whether he could have finished the Giro or not
@@ChrisCapoccia Evenpoel doesn't go to GTs to 'finish'. If he had no chance of winning, or if he risks jeopardizing the rest of his season by riding through illness, he'll pull out. Which he did.
@@mmcewen9789 that's the same as choosing to pull out. Risk of long term impacts from Covid are dependent on severity of disease and there is no way his case was severe. See Quinn et al "Comparison of Medical and Mental Health Sequelae Following Hospitalization for COVID-19, Influenza, and Sepsis"
One of my close friends is racing the Tour and using his own personal power meter pedals alongside the sponsor equipment because he claims that the supplied power meter isn't at all accurate and drifts over time. For obvious reasons, I won't say who it is but they don't look at the numbers during the race and want to have something meaningful for later analysis.
Great insight, Ray. Would be fun for you to review how the former Titans of the TdF have fallen - who rides Campy now? Where are the Look frames? How long since we saw Time pedals - the TdF seems to be about sponsorship and innovation that works, fail in either and you're on the sidelines!
I think the main reason is business. It makes sense for a company to sell a more complete product up front with a power meter pedal attached because that gives them a better profit margin for business. If they go to try and stock up on all the power meter pedals and/or crank lengths you've just introduced a lot of costs that you have to absorb during the selling process. So it makes perfect sense to translate this into the pro peloton and the bikes they are riding for the same reason, business.
They used the SRM PC7 last year. This year, the drivetrain isn’t actually even sponsored by Shimano. I asked Team UAE about it, the whole bike is sponsored, and that’s the drive train that happened to come on it this year. Kinda notable.
Having an Italian power meter make pedals,i found an unusual thing,if i am on the wahoo its takes the trainers power reading, if i am on rollers the pedals do the reading,so basically my pedal hack into the wahoo to get a more accurate reading,the pedals by them selves are 30-40 watts out,what do people think about this
Garmin Rally pedals are the only power meter I've ever used and I love them! Didn't the recent generation of Dura-Ace power meter cranks have major issues with accuracy?
q-factor is actually different for almost every bike type. But generally, aside from the Favero Assioma DUO-SHI, the q-factor is the asme between most of the Look/SPD-SL pedal types (power or non-power).
I'm just guessing, but as much as pros ride, im sure they charge them after every stage just to be sure. I think switching out a battery is much easier for mechanics. Swap it out and your done. No waiting if they run out of battery and want to do a cool down or want to move the bus and riders want to ride. Just a big hassle for teams with integrated batteries. At least the Di2 and Sram shifting systems last longer but from a team owner point of view, you do not want them running out of power on a critical stage on a climb.
The Shimano system is an integrated battery. So charging would be an issue there if so. Plenty of other things to charge, no big deal for team mechanics.
Powermeter pedals FTW I have good cranks on my track and road bikes already, I don't want to have to change them and make them twice as expensive overall.
Going sub-6.8kg is trivial if the teams wanted to. Especially if they take advantage of things like the integrated bolt screw for the Wahoo computers, so that weight counts as being included.
@@Dcrainmaker It may be trivial to go to or below 6.8kg (it's just money :-), but do they get the reliability, aero efficiency and ride quality in race conditions they need? Who knows if it's true or not, but supposedly Vingegaard (and before him Roglic?) has been using a 1X setup in some stages/races so that he can use an aero bike that's not too much heavier than his climbing bike. Maybe it's just sponsor SRAM telling them to do that in an effort to reintroduce 1X to the pro road racing scene after the Aqua Blue debacle (at the expense of sponsor Cervelo since the implication is that their aero bikes are "too heavy"?). And so many race bike weigh-in videos I've seen from recent times from other bike tech youtube channels show most bikes they can get on their scales to be closer to the wrong side of 7+ kg than of 6.8- kg these days (except for the most weight-weenie and teeny tiniest climbers' bikes).
When I raced cars at a semi pro level, Sponsors would post contingency money for he winner and runner up at a race. The driver/ owner would decal up the car (per the rules). But, the point was the money went to the car racer/owner if they placed. After the race, with winner car and runner up car would be inspected with a check sheet for the decals they actually had. The official would notify the sponsor of this but it was up to the racer to hound the sponsor for the bucks. Some sponsons where notoriously bad for paying. This was different if the car owner had a big 1:1 sponsor who paid for a season, regardless of racer performance. Is this much different? Sounds like it’s a team contingency and the team gets the bucks regardless of how they finish in pro cycling
@@uptown710 those threads in the pedal and crankshaft would be gone after a few passes. I have one fast bike where my powermeter is on, the other one has not so aggresive ride position, so its more for when I just want to take an easy trip.. then I dont care about powermeters either :)
If you look at the Strava files of the pro riders there is no power, so those are probably just plastic covers without any electronics inside to save weight while still maintaining sponsorship.
Strava has a default option to not show power. Many use it for competitive reasons. Every single team requires power for their riders these days, and is considered an essential part of their pro-riding resume (so teams can judge whether or not they have power potential in recruiting). Further, some teams even write the ANT+ ID's of their power meter units on the handlebars, so riders can quickly pair again if they swap bikes mid-race. Nobody is running empty power meter internals today in the pro peloton.
How can you say that the bikes are struggling to maintain weight above 6.8kg when every bike they weigh is 7.3+kg. This is just not true... it was when they were riding rim. no more
Because again, if they cared about saving weight, they wouldn’t ride with the Edge 1040. They’d ride the Edge 130 and save 100g. They can easily hit that 6.8kg level if they want. I’m
Love this vlog style behind the scenes look at The Tour!
Thanks!!!
Yeah, I have to agree. I’m not even someone who’s ever followed the Tour de France or cycle racing, but I actually do enjoy this stuff because I’m a nerd for technology and data and this stuff is just plain cool. Things like this are what has actually _started_ to get me interested in bike races and some of their associated accoutrements.
😂 57! lol. Reminds me of a vintage shop jersey I have from Handlebars Cycle Co in Tonawanda NY, circa 2000. It has 6 bike brand logos on it. I love and appreciate you saying that just because sponsored riders are using a piece of gear doesn’t make it good. Keep up the good work!
Amazing content as usual! I normally find other channels walk arounds boring, but yours are engaging and informative as usual! I imagine the pros come and ask your opinion on what products they should be using, decals blacked out of course! 😂
Thanks!!!
The blue Willier paint looks amazing 😊
Good stuff as always! Love the open chat. Personally on my TT bikes I run a P2M, and on the roadie Garmin Vector 3.
Reminds me of my favourite quote from “Lock, Stock”.
“Guns for show, knives for a pro.”
Shimano for show, Favero for a pro.
BEFORE ANYONE ASKS, masks are required to be worn in the team areas (see 0:26) to reduce the risk of them getting sick (e.g. cold, flu, or any other respiratory illness) as the teams have dedicated a lot of their lives to get to the TdF and it would be a huge waste if they got sick and had to miss out because someone else doesn't understand science.
"understand science" is laughable. zero science supports wearing masks outdoors. it's just some feel-good measure that accomplishes nothing. still, media people need to follow the rules whether they agree or not
Remco Evenepoul had to pull out of the Giro in May while wearing the leader’s jersey because of Covid.
@@andrewmcalister3462 lol he chose to pull out. we really have no idea how bad he was really feeling. he won the tt stage on the same day he was supposedly "sick". Any other respiratory virus in past years and athletes would have just kept plugging along until they couldn't. No one knows whether he could have finished the Giro or not
@@ChrisCapoccia Evenpoel doesn't go to GTs to 'finish'. If he had no chance of winning, or if he risks jeopardizing the rest of his season by riding through illness, he'll pull out. Which he did.
@@mmcewen9789 that's the same as choosing to pull out. Risk of long term impacts from Covid are dependent on severity of disease and there is no way his case was severe. See Quinn et al "Comparison of Medical and Mental Health Sequelae Following Hospitalization for COVID-19, Influenza, and Sepsis"
One of my close friends is racing the Tour and using his own personal power meter pedals alongside the sponsor equipment because he claims that the supplied power meter isn't at all accurate and drifts over time. For obvious reasons, I won't say who it is but they don't look at the numbers during the race and want to have something meaningful for later analysis.
Indeed, I'd even guess your friend is on one of the Shimano-equipped teams. 🙃 - Good luck to him!
6:40 ”when you have Shimano you can throw accuracy out the window” 😂
Truth hurts 😂
You deserve a thumb-up based solely on counting those 57 sponsors! 🤣
Great insight, Ray. Would be fun for you to review how the former Titans of the TdF have fallen - who rides Campy now? Where are the Look frames? How long since we saw Time pedals - the TdF seems to be about sponsorship and innovation that works, fail in either and you're on the sidelines!
Loved Time pedals and their cleat placement jig. Easy to be consistent.
Cofidis: Look.
I think the main reason is business. It makes sense for a company to sell a more complete product up front with a power meter pedal attached because that gives them a better profit margin for business. If they go to try and stock up on all the power meter pedals and/or crank lengths you've just introduced a lot of costs that you have to absorb during the selling process.
So it makes perfect sense to translate this into the pro peloton and the bikes they are riding for the same reason, business.
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Thanks!!!
do you happen to know what powermeter UAE used last year when they were still on Campagnolo drivetrains?
They used the SRM PC7 last year. This year, the drivetrain isn’t actually even sponsored by Shimano. I asked Team UAE about it, the whole bike is sponsored, and that’s the drive train that happened to come on it this year. Kinda notable.
Also don't forget Intermarche is actually Intermarche-Wanty-Gobert, so that's 3 title sponsors.
Hahaha...good point!!!!
i imagine the future state is shimano will eventually deliver an accurate PM on a future dura ace model.
One can hope one day!
Having an Italian power meter make pedals,i found an unusual thing,if i am on the wahoo its takes the trainers power reading, if i am on rollers the pedals do the reading,so basically my pedal hack into the wahoo to get a more accurate reading,the pedals by them selves are 30-40 watts out,what do people think about this
Garmin Rally pedals are the only power meter I've ever used and I love them! Didn't the recent generation of Dura-Ace power meter cranks have major issues with accuracy?
Q-Factor can be different for pedal PM
q-factor is actually different for almost every bike type. But generally, aside from the Favero Assioma DUO-SHI, the q-factor is the asme between most of the Look/SPD-SL pedal types (power or non-power).
I'm just guessing, but as much as pros ride, im sure they charge them after every stage just to be sure. I think switching out a battery is much easier for mechanics. Swap it out and your done. No waiting if they run out of battery and want to do a cool down or want to move the bus and riders want to ride. Just a big hassle for teams with integrated batteries. At least the Di2 and Sram shifting systems last longer but from a team owner point of view, you do not want them running out of power on a critical stage on a climb.
The Shimano system is an integrated battery. So charging would be an issue there if so. Plenty of other things to charge, no big deal for team mechanics.
Great vid DC...Question, what is attached to the right hand side of the fork? visible at 7:31?
gps transponder
A timing chip from the race organizer.
pedal power meters afe the best! and true left and right😊
Powermeter pedals FTW
I have good cranks on my track and road bikes already, I don't want to have to change them and make them twice as expensive overall.
5:43 Barely any bike in WT is close to 6.8 kg, most "lightweight" bikes are a bit over 7 kg
Going sub-6.8kg is trivial if the teams wanted to. Especially if they take advantage of things like the integrated bolt screw for the Wahoo computers, so that weight counts as being included.
@@Dcrainmaker It may be trivial to go to or below 6.8kg (it's just money :-), but do they get the reliability, aero efficiency and ride quality in race conditions they need? Who knows if it's true or not, but supposedly Vingegaard (and before him Roglic?) has been using a 1X setup in some stages/races so that he can use an aero bike that's not too much heavier than his climbing bike. Maybe it's just sponsor SRAM telling them to do that in an effort to reintroduce 1X to the pro road racing scene after the Aqua Blue debacle (at the expense of sponsor Cervelo since the implication is that their aero bikes are "too heavy"?). And so many race bike weigh-in videos I've seen from recent times from other bike tech youtube channels show most bikes they can get on their scales to be closer to the wrong side of 7+ kg than of 6.8- kg these days (except for the most weight-weenie and teeny tiniest climbers' bikes).
When I raced cars at a semi pro level, Sponsors would post contingency money for he winner and runner up at a race. The driver/ owner would decal up the car (per the rules). But, the point was the money went to the car racer/owner if they placed. After the race, with winner car and runner up car would be inspected with a check sheet for the decals they actually had. The official would notify the sponsor of this but it was up to the racer to hound the sponsor for the bucks. Some sponsons where notoriously bad for paying. This was different if the car owner had a big 1:1 sponsor who paid for a season, regardless of racer performance.
Is this much different? Sounds like it’s a team contingency and the team gets the bucks regardless of how they finish in pro cycling
How do they handle different pedals with a neutral service vehicle? Shimano/LOOK or Speedplay do they carry all three brands as spares?
Another reason why the Shimano neutral sponsor bikes are completely and utterly useless.
They do indeed carry all three brands, as Nils Politt found out last week.
@@zroeder they should just have 3 size medium (56cm) with 3 different pedal varieties
For me, I rather have the powermeter in the crankshaft (which I have :D All the pedals was way more expensive when I bought my 4iiii.
Depending if you’re riding multiple bikes, it would actually be more cost effective to buy the pedals. Way easier to install too 🤣
@@uptown710 those threads in the pedal and crankshaft would be gone after a few passes. I have one fast bike where my powermeter is on, the other one has not so aggresive ride position, so its more for when I just want to take an easy trip.. then I dont care about powermeters either :)
@@uptown710 but i can buy 2 crankshaft powermeters for the same price as a pair of pedals anyway, so i rather do that if I really need to :)
@@AndrewTSq you can? I got my set for $700
Whatever works though
I’m super happy with my 4iiii on my gravel bike but it wouldn’t fit on my road bike. I went with the Faveros and have been very happy with them.
😂 that’s the reason why I got 9200P . I got eBay sponsorship . I won the auction for 400 bucks 😂 accuracy suddenly is no longer an issue .
If you look at the Strava files of the pro riders there is no power, so those are probably just plastic covers without any electronics inside to save weight while still maintaining sponsorship.
Strava has a default option to not show power. Many use it for competitive reasons. Every single team requires power for their riders these days, and is considered an essential part of their pro-riding resume (so teams can judge whether or not they have power potential in recruiting). Further, some teams even write the ANT+ ID's of their power meter units on the handlebars, so riders can quickly pair again if they swap bikes mid-race. Nobody is running empty power meter internals today in the pro peloton.
Nice Thanks again
How can you say that the bikes are struggling to maintain weight above 6.8kg when every bike they weigh is 7.3+kg. This is just not true... it was when they were riding rim. no more
Because again, if they cared about saving weight, they wouldn’t ride with the Edge 1040. They’d ride the Edge 130 and save 100g. They can easily hit that 6.8kg level if they want. I’m
57 sponsors but you forgot to count the main sponsors giving the team it's name of " Intermarche Wanty Gobert "
You forgot main sponsors... So I guess 59?
😂
Ha, I'm sure those tour sponsors won't be thrilled talking about truth but keep it up 🤣👍
Nice 😎🤝
There were a few sponsors on that line of stickers more than once. Look and coca cola for one. But yeah, still ridiculous!
When ya got extra stickers…use them? 🤣
@@Dcrainmaker 🤣🤣🤣 Just like kids back in school that put stickers on everything!!!
they probably paid more, to get extra space.. and thought their stickers would be bigger.. instead they got two :)
Maybe pedals are more likely to get damaged in a crash, so it's probably safer to host the power meter in the crank axle or crank spider.
Can I get a sponsor?
I think that greyed out/half-removed one on the side of the team bus might be available now.
My brain is having to do so much work to listen to this. Maybe I’m just stupid.
I counted 58
Pink Floyd-> Money. Whoops, I mean sponsorship.💲💲💲
Quick, buy your power meter pedals before they shoot up in price!
hahahaha, 57 sponsors?!?!? "welcome to the Tour", lol
56-57 😂
What's with the face mask
Covered in the first 45 seconds...
Haha. Great video btw
I can’t hear you with that mask on.
None of the other 20,000 people had a problem. Sounds like you should get you’re hearing checked.
0,75 video speed
@@Dcrainmaker wow. I used to like you, but I see now how full of yourself you are.
@@tristramcharnley2581m not an native speaker, and I have hearing loss in one ear and I understood every single word. Stop being an arse.
be glad they are not in the tour, makes them cheaper, you don't have to pay for the tour the france 🤣
Masks…🤣🤣🤣
Mask in 2023 ? Having some bad flashbacks
These drivertrains look spotless. 🤌