Sorry, you'll have to use Google. That's how I found it. I don't want to be accused of being a shill. "Tie Fighter Handlebar" should get you useful results
I was burned so many times on Vector 2 and Vector 3. Think I went through three sets of Vector 3 via Garmin's support. Not a single issue with Favero Assiomas over the last 18 months. If Garmin had moved to a sealed battery compartment, I might consider Vector again in the future. As it stands with the many iterations of battery cover, seals, baby oil, etc. Not a chance.
My right side pedal seems to have just decided to die... Worked back and forth with Garmin and they sent me "new" refurb pedals after trying a battery circuit board replacement that still didn't fix the original dead pedal. All up and running smoothly again now with the new pedals. Garmin continuing to be great at customer support!
Took me 5 months to warranty a faulty Assioma, every week they gave me a new set of tasks to perform. Luckily I had multiple power meters on my bike and was able to prove to them that their pedal was off using DC Rainmaker's analyzer tool and they finally sent me one but not until they confirmed that my old one was disabled. Truly appalling customer service. The replacement ones work perfectly btw, and I'm pretty sure that most people's pedals do too but I can't get behind a company that treats their customers this way because even the best products have a potential to need customer support one day so I'm getting rid of mine as soon as my Rallys arrive.
Battery seal issue has been fixed on my vectors. Nightmare to begin with granted with plastic threads getting stripped, but Garmin replaced under warranty and have since had no problem
Wow, could be time to resurrect my Vector3's. I've always hated the huge, clumsy cleats for road pedals and dreamed of an SPD power meter. Thanks for this review!
Thanks for the review. I was holding out a little hope, but these are just way too expensive. Crank based meters are really beating these pedal meters.
Az first I was like "sweet, finally an SPD pedal powermeter!" and then I saw the prices... for 1000USD, you get a Dura Ace crankset together with the 2-sided powermeter from Stages/4iiii...
Nice review as always although I have to admit my interest waned when you mentioned the price! I know power meters are expensive, they were never gonna be 200 bucks but there’s always the hope that maybe this is the year that power meters will become more mass market... hey ho maybe 2022 then!!!
DCR - love that t-shirt! Care to share the deets on how to own one? As for the pedals . ..such great timing was about to purchase the V3 and then convert (From Shimano) to the Look system - finally a win. As always great content.
Great review. I am definitely a Garmin Fan Boy. I was an early adopter of the original vector and still use Vector 2’s. I have had no technical issues and the gen2 pedal pods have been flawless. I have seriously considered other options, especially the Assioma pedals but unlike others here I have had such a great experience with Garmin and their support that I have no real reason to try anything else.
Bettter buy Power2Max! Install, load the battery and forget. I just works perfect for 100s of hours till the next charing cycle and then you are good to go for the next 100s. And you get 5 years warranty.
Great overview Ray! I'm actually impressed with the pedal body conversion kits. I *think* athletes might be up for using them. XC in the winter and RK/RS in the summer? 🤷🏻♂️
Fun fact: It's actually a dual-sided 4iiii. :) I literally sent them in an XX1 crankset just like any other order and was like: Umm...can you make it a double?
So I'll wait to see if the Rally are more reliable than the Vector's. I'm hoping for a new Favero model. The CR 1/3N batteries are rather pricey and harder to come by.
I hear you but I also hear the word « Garmin » and think of all of my past issues with their products. Including things like the Garmin Scale that just up and died while unused. Software that is still buggy 10 major versions in. I’m not sure I’d want to take the price risk.
you mention cost toward the end - the big sell for me was the ability to use the spd on multiple bikes - I can use on my mountain and gravel set ups - you are not locked into a crank-based meter - I race/ride gravel - cx - and mtb - and can use these pedals on all three - to upgrade all those bikes to power using crank-based would surely be more -
"Not a lot of value there" for cycling dynamics -- so RS100 the logical choice. Judging from the comments, few got the memo that there's a much cheaper option.
The rally xc SPD's are the logical choice for those of us who can't afford multiple pm's and the ability to take the pedals with you on trips where you rent a bike is another advantage. You can buy a new bike and not have to take the crank with you to the new bike!
Have you tested the TREK Domane+ e-assist bikes? Having had the opportunity to use one Domane+ on long term loan while waiting delivery of my Domane+ SLR7 giving me a total of 18 months use. I have experienced vrious problems with the chain comming off eventually so badly the crank had to be dismantled by TREK to alow the final part of the chain to be removed from bertween the PRAXIS chin ring and the TQ motor. Following which the e-assist became steadily less effective. Then the TQ Control Panel had to be replced under warranty and the e-saasistbecame steadily more ineffective. The bike is on its way back from TREKS facility in England who claim to have found no problems. To my surprise TREK claim they relied upon the STRAVA calculated power during test rides. For my personal tests rides I used my Garmin Rally XC 200 on the Domane + and then on my Domene + 7 SLR none e-assist bike as a comparison. A very interesting test for an expert like you.
Hi, thanks for your video I have a doubt regarding this product and Favero Assioma Duo Shi, I think for Shimano user (spd-sl) is obvious to get Garmin rally, right? I mean that Assioma has got a larger Q factor that could impact on the knees…
I got excited about an SPD pedal power meter you can actually get hold of, but can't find a retailer in the UK with the single sided SPD version in stock yet. Garmin says they should ship in 3-5 weeks. Oh well, another month for IQ² to ship their SPD version 😅.
Ask and you shall receive! Wiggle has it in stock, and if you order in the next 39 mins, it'll be there tomorrow: www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=1857&awinaffid=609955&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiggle.co.uk%2Fgarmin-rally-xc100-pedal-power-meter (Link helps support the channel)
Summary: So they tweaked a few things on their 4 year old pedal, changed the name and are charging $100 more when the pricing of power meters has been trending downwards. Maybe they didn't get the memo that the competition is producing power meters that are just as good (I would argue better) at half the price. The ability to switch bodies is a moot point when you can have almost 3 separate full time power meters on your bikes for the price of these + a conversion kit.
As ever, great data analysis. But, bottom line these are tall, heavy, cheapo second rate pedals with an average power meter connected (and a woeful reliability record). Garmin aren't a pedal manufacturer. A 4iiii/Shimano crank can be swapped in 2 minutes and a road one will easily serve for gravel, or XC/trail. Yeah, not LR, but that's unnecessary. SRAM is harder to cover, but Quark is fine, if harder to swap. Garmin are gonna be blown out the water once SRAM integrate power into Time pedals. Avoid.
When if comes to the parameters, except Advance Dynamics is there any other difference between XC100 and XC200? Is there anything extra that XC200 is showing?
Can I effectively train with the single sided setup? I'm buying something for my NICA racing daughters who are 12 and 14. So these seem pretty inexpensive considering power meters
I was thinking of getting a Garmin Rally XC200 as I'm doing research you had answered a couple of questions 1 was the off-road usage but the other & most important I want to get them for Medical My knees are very weak My left knee has been replaced and I've had 10 knee surgeries possibly 11 coming Yup on the same knee other knee has 3 no hardware as of yet. I told my doctor about these petals and if he can back me up on him and I think he will but I wanna see if they're worth getting i Have a E bike and I'd like to know if they will fit on that type of bike. Would you recommend this to keep track of Pressure And do you have to be clipped onto those pedals that's the only drawback that I don't like is it they're small And do you have to clip on Hope you can help me out. Thanks
I got the Garmin Rally XC200 from a Garmin store for 840 dollars, new. They were 25% off. I'm a degenerate that rides a road bike with MTB pedals, so it was an obvious choice for me.
Hello, could you please tell me what type of grease I should put on the bearings. It would be great if you could give me the name or maybe you see an amazon link. Thanks
@@JulianAndresKlode I haven't read or heard of Favero rechargeable batteries failing. Mine are still going strong with no discernible degradation. If replaceable batteries work for you and the addition cost doesn't bother you, then Garmin is the way to go for you.
@@cusebike5391 I have not heard of failures yet either, but it's guaranteed; after 250 charge cycles Li-Ion batteries have lost 80%, if they get cold or hot during use, the cells damage more. Now I'm not sure how long it takes to reach 250 cycles. Let's assume you ride 2.5h per day, one cycle will be 20 days, so 250 cycles will take 20*250=5000 days or - assuming you ride every day of the year - 13.7 years of riding. So I guess it's not really going to be a problem in practice, unless there's catastrophic deep discharge (that's how I killed a laptop battery once :/)
@@JulianAndresKlode 17/18 hours a week? Wow! I'm pretty sure the pedals will give out before the batteries. Folks have had these pedals for up to four years. I think they'd be noticing a problem by now.
Really depends on whether or not you plan to move the pedals, or use them elsewhere. If not, I see little reason to get the pedals. The Quarq will 'just work', be less prone to damage, and costs less.
Hey Ray, does Garmin Rally allows you to unclip 'heel in' rather than 'heel out'? I cant twist outwards like most riders and had this issue with favero assioma not being able to twist inwards.
why would ppl buy this over Favero just to change cleat brand....KEO is basically the same thing, I'm a new-ish rider and have tried both and both clip in and do the same exact thing, ppl just trying to be loyal to something I guess.
Keo cleats aren't as nice for me vs shimano. I don't feel as locked in, walking on the keo isn't as nice (I rarely even walk but if i wanna stop and get coffee i don't wanna slip. Shimano cleats last longer).
The meter doesn't auto temperature correct or auto zero. It might be "accurate" but only if you calibrated it correctly which means the pedal has to be 100% at the ambient temperature that you'll be you're riding at then you better say a prayer that it doesn't see much of a temperature difference during your ride......good luck with that considering it's 12" above the surface that you're riding on. These differences can make as much as a 10-15% difference in the readings that you'll see. Garmin and this review missed the mark on this one.
@@Dcrainmaker We'll have to agree to disagree. I've written Garmin and they've confirmed my first sentence. Additionally, I've performed very controlled tests with a crank based based power meter along side the Garmin under varying temperature conditions. The Garmin didn't fair too well. I stand by my comments.
@@mikevw6767 Yeah, that's simply not true. It has both auto-zero and temp comp. That's very well-proven and confirmed by countless people. In fact, I even noted the singular bug with temp comp in this very review, which ironically enough was fixed last week (Thurs) in the first Rally firmware update (which addresses massive 'instant' temp swings like bringing a bike indoors from a cold-weather ride). But simply comparing to another single crank based power meter doesn't make Rally wrong. It just means you have a difference that needs to be determined. Which is why I test with 2-4 *other* power meters.
@@Dcrainmaker I've tested with the new 3.0 firmware update. I actually hoped that it would solve the problem but it didn't. I've been suspicious about this meter for some time. My suspicions finally broke when I rode two laps around around a local mtn bike trail and got very interesting results. Measurable temperature gradients were involved. The bike was in a warm car for 30 minutes before I arrived at the trail, it was 40 deg F outside and I calibrated the unit as soon as I took it out of the car. The outside air changed by 15 deg F during my two laps. I took a 10 minute break between laps. The head unit shut off, and I didn't recalibrate when I turned it back on, I didn't think I needed to. Both laps were nearly identical in time and heart rate, but the average watts and NP between the rides differed by 15%. The power trace looked nearly identical when I placed the two laps over top of each other, just one was shifted 15% downward. That just seems like a very odd result. The laps were done within 30 seconds of each other over a hour ride, same HR, same course, the wind didn't change, same tire pressures (i checked between laps) but the power was 15% different?? The trail was fairly flat, not much variation. That's when I started honing in on the temperature issue. So I performed some very controlled tests much like you do, with the Garmin pedals on the same bike with a crank based meter that temperature corrects. I've been able to conduct controlled tests under varying temperature conditions and it's not hard to replicate the 10-15% difference between the meters when temperature comes into play. I contacted Garmin and they've told me twice, the unit doesn't auto zero or temperature correct so nothing can be done. I have ZERO trust in this meter especially when it's spit out NP numbers on rides way higher than I know is right or that I am capable of. It's been a disappointing purchase to say the least.
@@Dcrainmaker Guess I owe you a retraction! You got into my head if I had done my testing as controlled as I should have. After all, you're a pro at this stuff. So I placed the pedal in a freezer for a few hours, took it out, calibrated it immediately then I warmed it to simulate what'll happen when it warms during a ride. I only let it warm for 10-15 in front of a fan, it felt warm, so I thought I let it warm up far enough. I then noticed the same big errors when I had the bike on a smart trainer. I was right so I thought, I had further proof. What's this DC rainmaker talking about!? Then a few hours went by, so I thought if my theory is correct, the pedal is certainly at room temperature by now so I should still see the same huge errors if it doesn't compensate. Well......the readings I got from it actually matched the smart trainer a little better than the crank based meter! It still doesn't explain the same mtn bike laps...same lap times, same HR, but 10-15% difference in power output. Thanks for your replies and patience! At least you lead me to have confidence in this pedal now. If it self compensates as I just demonstrated, then why is a calibration necessary before every ride??
My only takeaway is how much I need that t-shirt.
found them on redbubble
Prove it.
@@JoshMcGehee eh ?
@@Finx5008 prove it = link
lol
Sorry, you'll have to use Google. That's how I found it. I don't want to be accused of being a shill. "Tie Fighter Handlebar" should get you useful results
That Tshirt is bloody awesome!
Came to the channel because I wanted a power meter but now I just want that shirt.
I bought a pair of vector 3 pedals three weeks ago to help with my rehab. Love them so far! Glad to hear they haven’t changed much.
Good, honnest review. The end bit about the "right" questions one should be asking oneself is spot on
Can always rely on you to do the most in depth and informative reviews, thanks!
Thanks Ben!
So... Two pairs of favero assioma for one garmin? That's an easy pick!
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I was burned so many times on Vector 2 and Vector 3. Think I went through three sets of Vector 3 via Garmin's support. Not a single issue with Favero Assiomas over the last 18 months. If Garmin had moved to a sealed battery compartment, I might consider Vector again in the future. As it stands with the many iterations of battery cover, seals, baby oil, etc. Not a chance.
Though I haven’t returned my V3 pedals (yet), I have found the Assiomas to be so much more RELIABLE.
Used Assioma duo for 12 months, so far so good 😊
@@perryvath7617
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What happens when battery invariably dies do you need to buy new pedals? Looking to buy some Power meter pedals and this concerns me.
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My right side pedal seems to have just decided to die... Worked back and forth with Garmin and they sent me "new" refurb pedals after trying a battery circuit board replacement that still didn't fix the original dead pedal. All up and running smoothly again now with the new pedals. Garmin continuing to be great at customer support!
Still prefer the trusty favero assioma. No need to worry about battery seal
Riding/training/coaching with since 2003 - Favero was/is a game changer!
Favero FTW!
Took me 5 months to warranty a faulty Assioma, every week they gave me a new set of tasks to perform. Luckily I had multiple power meters on my bike and was able to prove to them that their pedal was off using DC Rainmaker's analyzer tool and they finally sent me one but not until they confirmed that my old one was disabled. Truly appalling customer service. The replacement ones work perfectly btw, and I'm pretty sure that most people's pedals do too but I can't get behind a company that treats their customers this way because even the best products have a potential to need customer support one day so I'm getting rid of mine as soon as my Rallys arrive.
Battery seal issue has been fixed on my vectors. Nightmare to begin with granted with plastic threads getting stripped, but Garmin replaced under warranty and have since had no problem
Or $400
Still assioma duo for me. No water ingress and no need to change batteries. Plus IAV! Power meter should not be complicated to use.
Wow, could be time to resurrect my Vector3's. I've always hated the huge, clumsy cleats for road pedals and dreamed of an SPD power meter. Thanks for this review!
Finally SPD-SL.... great if I hadn’t already replaced everything with Keo to go with my vectors! My 3s work well fortunately.
Been waiting a long time for the off road pedals!
7:20 Ha Ha - I hate those slippery tree roots just off parallel to the trail. Never say Ray doesn't give it all up for a Great Review!
Been there, felt that. I mostly use flat pedals on sketchy roots now. I’m 63 & don’t heal very quickly any more.
Thanks for the review. I was holding out a little hope, but these are just way too expensive. Crank based meters are really beating these pedal meters.
Az first I was like "sweet, finally an SPD pedal powermeter!" and then I saw the prices... for 1000USD, you get a Dura Ace crankset together with the 2-sided powermeter from Stages/4iiii...
Yup, as noted at the end - different requirements for different people.
Benefit is that you can move between bikes though.
Has stages or 4iiii solved the shimano double sided power meter problems? That's another thing to consider
@@pablogsm91 Nope, no change there.
@@pablogsm91 Shimano GRX (Gravel) are not affected in theory.
Nice review as always although I have to admit my interest waned when you mentioned the price! I know power meters are expensive, they were never gonna be 200 bucks but there’s always the hope that maybe this is the year that power meters will become more mass market... hey ho maybe 2022 then!!!
DCR - love that t-shirt! Care to share the deets on how to own one?
As for the pedals . ..such great timing was about to purchase the V3 and then convert (From Shimano) to the Look system - finally a win.
As always great content.
Thanks! Yup, so normally here (threadandspoke.com/collections/star-wars) - but they don't seem to sell it there anymore. :-/
@@Dcrainmaker i found them on redbubble....
@@Finx5008 lower design fidelity knockoffs :(
Really nice shot at 15:40. I saw you making the shot in Schoorl with the cableway. Nice video!
Thanks! And haha...small world indeed! Next time you should save hi, would have saved me 90 mins for another rider to film. 🤣😂
Yeah good idea next time I would help you with filming.😂
Marketing going mad... what is wrong with RK1 and RK2... 1 side and 2 side easy !!! great review as always Ray
I agree, I don't really get the 100/200 thing.
Great review. I am definitely a Garmin Fan Boy. I was an early adopter of the original vector and still use Vector 2’s. I have had no technical issues and the gen2 pedal pods have been flawless. I have seriously considered other options, especially the Assioma pedals but unlike others here I have had such a great experience with Garmin and their support that I have no real reason to try anything else.
Bettter buy Power2Max! Install, load the battery and forget. I just works perfect for 100s of hours till the next charing cycle and then you are good to go for the next 100s. And you get 5 years warranty.
Just picked up some XCs keeping my fingers crossed.
Useful advice on the cycling dynamics data. I was thinking of upgrading to dual sided for this. May hold off now
If anyone has doubts about the stacked coincell. Ever since I used that in my vector 3, it has been flawless
This 👆🏼. I bought a few through amazon. No issues since
Thanks Ray, awesome video. Great content and visuals as always. 🙌🏾
Great overview Ray! I'm actually impressed with the pedal body conversion kits. I *think* athletes might be up for using them. XC in the winter and RK/RS in the summer? 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks Matt!
3:33 Anyone notice Ray is running a Quarq Spider with a 4iiii left side?
Fun fact: It's actually a dual-sided 4iiii. :) I literally sent them in an XX1 crankset just like any other order and was like: Umm...can you make it a double?
The fact that Garmin made them interchangeable is freaking genius..... thank you! I can use my 3s as SPDs which i would so much prefer.
That must have been the plan all along! (Since Vector 3s work as well)
@@toadlguy pretty smart to think a head like that for a pedal power meter.
So I'll wait to see if the Rally are more reliable than the Vector's. I'm hoping for a new Favero model. The CR 1/3N batteries are rather pricey and harder to come by.
That's a cool t-shirt, I want one. That's my take from this video. Oh that and power meters are still crazy expensive versus their benefits.
Great review! I'm in for the Garmin Rally.
I hear you but I also hear the word « Garmin » and think of all of my past issues with their products. Including things like the Garmin Scale that just up and died while unused. Software that is still buggy 10 major versions in. I’m not sure I’d want to take the price risk.
you mention cost toward the end - the big sell for me was the ability to use the spd on multiple bikes - I can use on my mountain and gravel set ups - you are not locked into a crank-based meter - I race/ride gravel - cx - and mtb - and can use these pedals on all three - to upgrade all those bikes to power using crank-based would surely be more -
Great review is always. Just a heads-up at 14:30 you mentioned the pedal swap video up in the corner but I don't think that you put the card up 😉
Ahh, doh. Thanks!!!
@@Dcrainmaker maybe check the other video too, it might have the same problem ;)
Like the Star Wars bike geek t-shirt! The pedal review was good too...
"Not a lot of value there" for cycling dynamics -- so RS100 the logical choice. Judging from the comments, few got the memo that there's a much cheaper option.
Finally an spd-l power pedal
The rally xc SPD's are the logical choice for those of us who can't afford multiple pm's and the ability to take the pedals with you on trips where you rent a bike is another advantage. You can buy a new bike and not have to take the crank with you to the new bike!
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT SHIRT?? Ty-fighter handlebars...so freaking cool!!
found them on redbubble
endurance conspiracy
I couldn't find it on either site... dang
Kinda disappointed there were no gummy bear scientific measurements or calculations... lol... great review!
I've been told by a certain someone that I may be purchasing too many scientific measurement devices lately....
@@Dcrainmaker 😆😆😆🙌🏽
Appreciate, precise and to the point.
The new battery boards with the "uppy" contacts shipped with my third revision Vector 3 battery doors.
So are these $1100 boat anchors once the pedal bearings wear out? or can you replace the bearings?
Have you tested the TREK Domane+ e-assist bikes? Having had the opportunity to use one Domane+ on long term loan while waiting delivery of my Domane+ SLR7 giving me a total of 18 months use. I have experienced vrious problems with the chain comming off eventually so badly the crank had to be dismantled by TREK to alow the final part of the chain to be removed from bertween the PRAXIS chin ring and the TQ motor. Following which the e-assist became steadily less effective. Then the TQ Control Panel had to be replced under warranty and the e-saasistbecame steadily more ineffective. The bike is on its way back from TREKS facility in England who claim to have found no problems. To my surprise TREK claim they relied upon the
STRAVA calculated power during test rides. For my personal tests rides I used my Garmin Rally XC 200 on the Domane + and then on my Domene + 7 SLR none e-assist bike as a comparison. A very interesting test for an expert like you.
Hi DC, thanks for a great review, please can I have you opinion on the Garmin RK200 vs the Look Exakt peddles. I look forward to your thoughts
6:53. Do you use standard mount for Garmin Edge? Is it hold good on mtb riding or is better any different type?
Wow, impressive content, presentation, pace and quality. I subscribed and will check out the rest of your content
Can you test the accuracy after using them a few years? Only dualrecording? Theres no calibrationservice right?
Hi, thanks for your video I have a doubt regarding this product and Favero Assioma Duo Shi, I think for Shimano user (spd-sl) is obvious to get Garmin rally, right? I mean that Assioma has got a larger Q factor that could impact on the knees…
I got excited about an SPD pedal power meter you can actually get hold of, but can't find a retailer in the UK with the single sided SPD version in stock yet. Garmin says they should ship in 3-5 weeks.
Oh well, another month for IQ² to ship their SPD version 😅.
Ask and you shall receive! Wiggle has it in stock, and if you order in the next 39 mins, it'll be there tomorrow: www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=1857&awinaffid=609955&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiggle.co.uk%2Fgarmin-rally-xc100-pedal-power-meter
(Link helps support the channel)
Summary: So they tweaked a few things on their 4 year old pedal, changed the name and are charging $100 more when the pricing of power meters has been trending downwards. Maybe they didn't get the memo that the competition is producing power meters that are just as good (I would argue better) at half the price. The ability to switch bodies is a moot point when you can have almost 3 separate full time power meters on your bikes for the price of these + a conversion kit.
Not SPD though. I don't want road cleats when I'm doing gravel or just touring.
As ever, great data analysis. But, bottom line these are tall, heavy, cheapo second rate pedals with an average power meter connected (and a woeful reliability record). Garmin aren't a pedal manufacturer. A 4iiii/Shimano crank can be swapped in 2 minutes and a road one will easily serve for gravel, or XC/trail. Yeah, not LR, but that's unnecessary. SRAM is harder to cover, but Quark is fine, if harder to swap. Garmin are gonna be blown out the water once SRAM integrate power into Time pedals. Avoid.
Thanks for the review. I love that shirt. Where did you get it?
Thanks Ray,
I have that shirt. I am sad that Thread + Spoke discontinued that design.
DCR, any guidance for my first ever power meter for triathlon training??? Budget? As low as you can go with a good product!!!!
So that is why the Vectors just dropped in price. They just seem better value now or is there anything extremely new and better about the new ones?
The good news is that with a less expensive Vector 3, you can still use the Rally bodies just fine.
I ride a recumbent trike, looking for a single side meter. I use 20mm pedal extenders, will these work for this application?
I ride with spd cleats on road shoes but I want to use spd-sl, do I need to buy new shoes??
Hi, nice review. Do you know if these pedals are compatible with the Polar Grit X Pro? Both are bluetooth but I can't find that info anywhere. Thanks
When if comes to the parameters, except Advance Dynamics is there any other difference between XC100 and XC200? Is there anything extra that XC200 is showing?
Hi great review!
you mentioned that the favero pedals can be “hacked” into to make an SPD pedal….is there any online resource for that
Here ya go: th-cam.com/video/ybAFIhKahnM/w-d-xo.html
Can I use my existing cleats if I am going from SPD SL to SPD SL?
Any update on this video now they’ve been out a few years
Do i need a cycling computer or can i use them with a Garmin Fenix 7 watch?
Can I effectively train with the single sided setup? I'm buying something for my NICA racing daughters who are 12 and 14. So these seem pretty inexpensive considering power meters
I was thinking of getting a Garmin Rally XC200 as I'm doing research you had answered a couple of questions 1 was the off-road usage but the other & most important I want to get them for Medical My knees are very weak My left knee has been replaced and I've had 10 knee surgeries possibly 11 coming Yup on the same knee other knee has 3 no hardware as of yet. I told my doctor about these petals and if he can back me up on him and I think he will but I wanna see if they're worth getting i Have a E bike and I'd like to know if they will fit on that type of bike.
Would you recommend this to keep track of Pressure And do you have to be clipped onto those pedals that's the only drawback that I don't like is it they're small And do you have to clip on Hope you can help me out.
Thanks
For mountain biking what would u buy to use? I’m just looking for basics thank you
I got the Garmin Rally XC200 from a Garmin store for 840 dollars, new. They were 25% off. I'm a degenerate that rides a road bike with MTB pedals, so it was an obvious choice for me.
jupp..... t-shirt is king :-)
LOVE your shirt. Where did you get it?
Hello, could you please tell me what type of grease I should put on the bearings. It would be great if you could give me the name or maybe you see an amazon link. Thanks
How compatible are with a Whaoo Elemnt Bolt? Do you get some cycling dynamics like L/R balance?
Loving the T 😆
I want the off road pedal but really £1000 plus price tag
Ok when riding on Zwift which would be more accurate for power, my elite suito or the Garmin rally rs200 pedals in your opinion ?
Really hoped someone would crack the USD 1000.00 barrier for SPD pedals. I think I'll keep lobbying Assioma
Ray has said there's more in the pipeline so maybe we'll see an Assioma SPD. We can only hope.
I hope Favaero makes MTB pedals soon...seems like more for less.
Which is better favero assioma duo or the garmin rs200 thank you 😁
The assioma's are clearly better based on price. I don't think the Garmin's offer anything additional for the added cost.
@@cusebike5391 well, you get replaceable batteries. Favero pedals will continuously degrade in battery life until you can throw them away?
@@JulianAndresKlode I haven't read or heard of Favero rechargeable batteries failing. Mine are still going strong with no discernible degradation. If replaceable batteries work for you and the addition cost doesn't bother you, then Garmin is the way to go for you.
@@cusebike5391 I have not heard of failures yet either, but it's guaranteed; after 250 charge cycles Li-Ion batteries have lost 80%, if they get cold or hot during use, the cells damage more.
Now I'm not sure how long it takes to reach 250 cycles. Let's assume you ride 2.5h per day, one cycle will be 20 days, so 250 cycles will take 20*250=5000 days or - assuming you ride every day of the year - 13.7 years of riding.
So I guess it's not really going to be a problem in practice, unless there's catastrophic deep discharge (that's how I killed a laptop battery once :/)
@@JulianAndresKlode 17/18 hours a week? Wow! I'm pretty sure the pedals will give out before the batteries. Folks have had these pedals for up to four years. I think they'd be noticing a problem by now.
Love the T-shirt
The R probably stands for Road instead of Rally, beacuse the SPD ones would be called RX or something
Hey Ray,
If money is not an issue, what would you recomment: These pedals (SPD) or a SRAM RED/Force AXS Power Meter Spider for my gravel bike?
Really depends on whether or not you plan to move the pedals, or use them elsewhere. If not, I see little reason to get the pedals. The Quarq will 'just work', be less prone to damage, and costs less.
@@Dcrainmaker thank you for this answer.
Do I need to change my seat height when I change to RS200 from my Keo blades?
I want to see the watts difference for each leg. Is there a phone app that I can do that with?
Do you think that it will be possible for third parties to produce pedal bodies compatible with vector and rally spindles? Does it make sense?
Technically totally plausible, though I'm not sure if there are any patent issues they'd run into.
Do you have to calibrate them before each ride?
What are the mtb options for Shimano drivetrains with flat pedals and boost wheels with no crank stay clearance?
Excuse me, sir. All I can see, hear, or think about is the shirt. Where can I buy it?
neat video !
1199 USD!? Sigh....I guess there no other option, I’ll go get the lube :(
Hey Ray, does Garmin Rally allows you to unclip 'heel in' rather than 'heel out'? I cant twist outwards like most riders and had this issue with favero assioma not being able to twist inwards.
Yeah, no issues with that. Of course, it'll depend a bit on your frame/positioning for clearance there. But I occasionally do that sometimes.
@@Dcrainmaker Legend! 👍 thanks for replying.
Any come with +4mm axle length? I use ultegra +4mm with a washer.
Does these pedals have a charging option or do you buy new batteries when they run out?
No, just the coin cell batteries.
Where can I get the t-shirt
why would ppl buy this over Favero just to change cleat brand....KEO is basically the same thing, I'm a new-ish rider and have tried both and both clip in and do the same exact thing, ppl just trying to be loyal to something I guess.
Keo cleats aren't as nice for me vs shimano. I don't feel as locked in, walking on the keo isn't as nice (I rarely even walk but if i wanna stop and get coffee i don't wanna slip. Shimano cleats last longer).
how do KEO compare to shimano cleats for clipping in and out though?
@@chrisbayliss3532 less effort to clip out of (easier to get out of them). Less of the initial click
@@jaspreetsidhu5708 thanks thats it then , going to but some some Assiomas then👌
Love the shirt!!!!
Where did you get the T-shirt?
The meter doesn't auto temperature correct or auto zero. It might be "accurate" but only if you calibrated it correctly which means the pedal has to be 100% at the ambient temperature that you'll be you're riding at then you better say a prayer that it doesn't see much of a temperature difference during your ride......good luck with that considering it's 12" above the surface that you're riding on. These differences can make as much as a 10-15% difference in the readings that you'll see. Garmin and this review missed the mark on this one.
Your first sentence isn’t true (at all). Thus, the rest of your comment also is inaccurate.
@@Dcrainmaker We'll have to agree to disagree. I've written Garmin and they've confirmed my first sentence. Additionally, I've performed very controlled tests with a crank based based power meter along side the Garmin under varying temperature conditions. The Garmin didn't fair too well. I stand by my comments.
@@mikevw6767 Yeah, that's simply not true. It has both auto-zero and temp comp. That's very well-proven and confirmed by countless people. In fact, I even noted the singular bug with temp comp in this very review, which ironically enough was fixed last week (Thurs) in the first Rally firmware update (which addresses massive 'instant' temp swings like bringing a bike indoors from a cold-weather ride). But simply comparing to another single crank based power meter doesn't make Rally wrong. It just means you have a difference that needs to be determined. Which is why I test with 2-4 *other* power meters.
@@Dcrainmaker I've tested with the new 3.0 firmware update. I actually hoped that it would solve the problem but it didn't. I've been suspicious about this meter for some time. My suspicions finally broke when I rode two laps around around a local mtn bike trail and got very interesting results. Measurable temperature gradients were involved. The bike was in a warm car for 30 minutes before I arrived at the trail, it was 40 deg F outside and I calibrated the unit as soon as I took it out of the car. The outside air changed by 15 deg F during my two laps. I took a 10 minute break between laps. The head unit shut off, and I didn't recalibrate when I turned it back on, I didn't think I needed to. Both laps were nearly identical in time and heart rate, but the average watts and NP between the rides differed by 15%. The power trace looked nearly identical when I placed the two laps over top of each other, just one was shifted 15% downward. That just seems like a very odd result. The laps were done within 30 seconds of each other over a hour ride, same HR, same course, the wind didn't change, same tire pressures (i checked between laps) but the power was 15% different?? The trail was fairly flat, not much variation. That's when I started honing in on the temperature issue. So I performed some very controlled tests much like you do, with the Garmin pedals on the same bike with a crank based meter that temperature corrects. I've been able to conduct controlled tests under varying temperature conditions and it's not hard to replicate the 10-15% difference between the meters when temperature comes into play. I contacted Garmin and they've told me twice, the unit doesn't auto zero or temperature correct so nothing can be done. I have ZERO trust in this meter especially when it's spit out NP numbers on rides way higher than I know is right or that I am capable of. It's been a disappointing purchase to say the least.
@@Dcrainmaker Guess I owe you a retraction! You got into my head if I had done my testing as controlled as I should have. After all, you're a pro at this stuff. So I placed the pedal in a freezer for a few hours, took it out, calibrated it immediately then I warmed it to simulate what'll happen when it warms during a ride. I only let it warm for 10-15 in front of a fan, it felt warm, so I thought I let it warm up far enough. I then noticed the same big errors when I had the bike on a smart trainer. I was right so I thought, I had further proof. What's this DC rainmaker talking about!? Then a few hours went by, so I thought if my theory is correct, the pedal is certainly at room temperature by now so I should still see the same huge errors if it doesn't compensate. Well......the readings I got from it actually matched the smart trainer a little better than the crank based meter! It still doesn't explain the same mtn bike laps...same lap times, same HR, but 10-15% difference in power output. Thanks for your replies and patience! At least you lead me to have confidence in this pedal now. If it self compensates as I just demonstrated, then why is a calibration necessary before every ride??
Love the shirt