I really want Locus-Walker to turn out to be a genuinely good guy who was helping us cause he didn't want to see our world suffer the same fate as his, just to make everyone feel super guilty being suspicious of him all the time
I think it's correct he's not the villain. But I do believe he is using us. After all, he's crafted Alleria into a weapon against the Void. A weapon Xal'atath seems veeery interested in. For good reason too, as if she tends to betray her masters. And what Master is being guided to our world? The very same as caused the destruction of Lokus-Walker's world. This is a trap. The Would Soul is the bait. And Dimensius is the mouse. And the one who will get vengeance, is him. And if it's not his plan, he seems smart enough to at least know what's being set up. That's my theory at least.
This is how you introduce a new hero/villain, in this case Xal'atath, appeared a few expansions earlier, allowing them time to develop and gain a personality.
Xal'atath shares a prefix with Xal'atoth, the Old God-infused Gorehowl. It's a longshot, but I think a resurrected Y'shaarj might be on the table, saving Dimensius for a later part of the trilogy.
She is the Harbinger. The Harbinger of the Void Lords. Next expansion is the Void Lords expansion. Which means "at the hour of her third death, she ushers in our coming." Xal is the final boss. It's obvious. She's the face of the expansion. Like Arthas, like Deathwing, like Zovaal. This one is obvious.
I think the insinuation locus walker was making about the radiant song wasn’t ’this is just like the last time, it’s dimensius singing to us to mess with us’ I think it’s more like an immune response or early warning system of a world soul saying ‘oh no oh no oh no void lord incoming baton down the hatches it’s about to get real’. In other words the radiant song is Azeroth, and before it was the ethereal home world. This is how world souls respond when they are scared.
Bold claim -- Iridikron final battle of TWW, however we don't get the dark heart, Xal'Atath will swoop in and take it OR someone will betray us and give it to her. Then she's the final in Midnight and Titans in the finale of the saga.
What if, as you've argued before, a world soul only becomes a titan through the efforts of titans 'corrupting' the world soul, and a void lord is the void equivalent - and that that is what happened to K'aresh? As in, Dimensius is the world soul of K'aresh turnt to the void?
I understand that that theory seems natural, as an answer to the question of "Why did he not just corrupt the world? But, the answer is probably simpler. You see, him being the corrupted World Soul doesn't match any account that the Ethereal have, about what happened. Even the "good" ones. So what happened to it? Well, the clue is in the title of Dimensius: The All-Devourering. This dude's theme is hunger. And costs a looot of energy for Void Lords to enter our cosmos. I.. think he just ate it.
@@BattleF08 So basically, Voidlords are just fat people? They're so fat they can't get past the reality door? and all they wanna do is eat more planet cheeseburgers?
Idle Speculation: War within: Locuswalker + Our Heroes and Xalatath make a truce to take down Dimensius, Xal kill-steals, takes his power invades Azeroth (maybe kidnapping/corrupting Alleria in the process). Midnight is the fight with Xal herself. In Last Titan we have to kill Iridikron in X.0 or X.1 but then the Titans turn on us for wanting the world soul to have a choice of what it becomes and we have to kick their ass cause we're the Guardians of Azeroth not Odyn's baby titan nanny. Temporarily teaming up with Xal would be in line with what Maria Hamilton said in the interview
Theory: it's all 3 named characters, but not a void lord. Final raid boss is going to locus walker save fight with a mechanic. Then we fight Xal and Windrunner in the final room, with Locus as a support NPC. The end cinematic will be Xal and Windrunner spent from the fight and Xal body hopping and killing Windrunner. 'At the hour of her 3rd death she ushers in our coming' Bam slam to end patch leading us to the Sunwell with a voided Windrunner corpse being piloted by Xal
Final Boss of TWW will be the Nerubian Queen, since she's a Void simp and the Final Boss of the Worldsoul Saga will be our newest villain Iridikron, since he is hellbent on ending the Titans completely, we'll have to save the last of them so the cosmos doesnt collapse.
I love the tag of "The War Within" matching Alleria's internal struggles in her video. I don't think she'll fall to the void, but her war will be quelled by accepting both the light and the void within her. A la Kerrigan from Starcraft 2.
My Spriest transmogs Xal'atath, blade of the black empire and it will still sometimes say, "Mmmm, delicious" when you kill something. It looks great all glowy and voidy. I also suspect a Xal'atath statue to come as well, and hope it's @$600, but thinking it's going to be more like $1200, at least.
Dimensius in K'aresh will be the end boss for War Within. Xal will be the Harbinger ushering him in. However, when he is defeated, it will cause a rift to break between K'aresh and Azeroth (similar to the Tomb of Sargeras being a large scale fel portal, or the space rift between Argus and Azeroth). We've already seen smaller portals like this, such as in Abberus, but this will be so large it will lead to a full scale invasion of the Void. End of Midnight will be the end of both Shadow and Light in large presences on Azeroth (but still enough to empower us.) This will essentially get rid of large cosmic forces on Azeroth: Disorder has been beaten back, Death has been fixed, and Life is typically hands off (except when Death was broken). If Light and Shadow are both weakened to the same extent then that leaves (drumroll, please) only Order left. Which means the Titans, as a cosmic force, will be left unopposed for all of The Last Titan. A perfect opportunity for them to finally enact their final plan of Azeroth giving birth to a new Titan .. something that would destroy Azeroth in the process and we should probably try and stop. By, you know, killing Aman'Thul and the rest of the Pantheon, which would leave Azeroth as .. the last Titan.
Not gonna lie, as someone who was totally sick of Sylvanas up until the soulsplit story (which everyone else seems to hate), I would absolutely LOVE if she came back to help us bring Alleria back from the brink of going full void. Along with Vareesa, maybe the spirit of their brother, Turalyon and Arator, too, a whole big family saving family story.
Just because it’s the war within and a lot of earthy stuff I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s iridikron. Midnight idk in regards to anything. But for last titan I really I want some crazy shit to go down and we fight at least amanthul.
I think Xal will be the final boss of Midnight, Iridikron will be the boss of 13.2, and Amant'hul will be the final boss of Last Titan. As for WW, not sure, though, your Dimensius idea with travelling to Koresh and all that feels like a natural way to end WW and usher in Midnight.
The logo that apears on the map the one that has the reputation list, is now a concentric circle that had two lines, that same symbol is a seal on the door that contains the Fallen Avatar in Tomb of Sargeras
won't happen blizzard already added a new race in war within those stone dwarves you people wish something that won't come they definitely not gonna add a new race after adding one already
@@Mysterious-Fox-01 wouldnt be the first time they've multiple races in a single expansion. also wouldnt be the first time they added races at the end of an expansion. they've changed when and how they release races so often that its not out of the question for them to add a non-allied race at the end of an expansion and all that is avoiding the fact that if we'd go to their home it would be the end of the expansion so the story could lead into them officially joining at the start of midnight (like, in prepatch.. similar to lightforged draenai joining in bfa's prepatch after we went to their home at the end of legion)..
@@Dante1920 sadly i think they'd end up being like the dracthyr.. likely you'd have set armor cosmetics in character creation and only belt and shoulders would be visible.. (maybe boots and gloves as well). though maybe they'd give a way to form a more corporeal form (again, like the dracthyr's visage) to show off armor types better.. though that'd take away from what makes them so cool so i doubt people would want that
Yashaarj: lets be honst: 0:22 is probably his claw. proofs: garrosh drops a item called: Black Blood of Y'Shaarj. further more: it increases Int every 5 seconds - we know the Nerubians have evolved to Hyper 2leg nerubians with more Int. Interesting is: "Wrath of the Darkspear" - this would suggest trolls where alive at the time of the black empire and are connected to Y'Shaarj
I'm not even sure if we will kill Xalatath, though we might destroy her mortal form and banish her or something like that. And I think we might cross paths with her in TWWI and possibly even fight her at some point, but I guess her final fight might come with Midnight. Then Iridikron and whoever for The Last Titan.
I'm on the "Eonar is sus" train, and think she might be the real threat, hiding behind Aman'thul. But maybe she's just Elune in disguise, hiding in plain sight! I'm here for Titan mysteries being uncovered.
My prediction is pretty simple. I think Lokus-Walker turned Alleria into a weapon, just like she asked him to. And now Xal'atath, someone very interested in Alleria, and someone prone to betraying her masters, is luring Lokus-Walker's ancient enemy to Azeroth. I think the world soul is bait. And I think the trap is set for Dimensius. And I think we and Alleria are going to be swung at this hungry world-eater, for the benefit of Lokus-Walker and Xal'atath.
i think it'd make sense if Xalatath is "the big bad" of TWW, but in some sense we only kill her physical form, forcing her to possess Alleria for midnight.
I think Odyn will be a raid boss before the last boss, and if it's aman'thul, well, there's one raid with Odyn followed by Aman'thul. Great speculation though. Love these vids!
Someone else already said it, but it's pretty clear that the final "boss" (so to speak) is not xalatath. She is called the harbinger, she is warning of something else to come, she is the facilitator of whoever the last boss is. That's what a harbinger is. In my language it translates to "warning of change" or "precursor to change". She also has a pretty clear goal in mind that she is working towards. Something or someone that she wants to usher into the world. And my guess is that war within will be a preparation of sorts to set her plans in motion, in midnight her plan will succeed, and in the last titan we have to deal with whatever she set in motion. And metzen already revealed that the last titan will be about us seeing the return of the titans to our world. And i think that whatever her plan is the nerubians falling in the upcoming raid is planned and won't be a surprise to her. I think that whatever she has planned doesn't require the nerubians to win. They are expendable to her. Imo she is using them as a distraction for whatever else she is up to atm. The reason why i don't think she will succeed until midnight is because midnight is about xalatath taking over the sunwell. I think she's gonna drain in and use it's power for her plans to succeed. Metzen also said we will fail protecting the sunwell. And somewhere in all of this iridikron is involved. He is working with xalatath as we've seen before, but he's being suspiciously absent from the story. What is he up to eh? And we know that iridikron ultimately wants to kill all the titans (therefore the last part of the saga is called "the last titan"). One of them survives but as the only one. The only question is, is xalatath fully and completely working with iridikron and is also after the titans, or does she have her plans and is only using iridikron as a stepping stone for her plans to succeed. I think the latter. I think her ultimate goal is something to do with the Void Lords or the black empire in general. And I think iridikron will succeed killing all but one of the titans, and then xalatath will turn around and say "sike!" and zap him, and fulfill her own plans. So just to be absolutely clear here. There is absolutely no way that the last boss of the whole saga is iridikron. And it's also not xalatath. Something else is coming. People just have very limited imaginations in this comment section. As for my prediction for war within final boss specifically, i don't think it needs to be a big huge baddie that we already know the name of. I think xal has her hands in a lot of cookie jars and most of the war within, including the ending, will be about us trying to get a handle on all the stuff she's setting in motion all over
IMO, the setup of GOING UNDERGROUND is setting up Iridikron, as being used as a tool to further the void's goals. Also, as a grand final boss, we still have access to a contact from the dragon isles *sough* vyranoth *cough* who could help us out with an effective offensive against him. Calling it now, the main boss and small patch bosses will be in a way Iridikron, xal'atath in midnight, and finally azshara and dimensius in the last titan.
Blizzard’s greatest story victory has been Xal’s story up to this point. They started with a dagger with a seductive voice, made it the Knifu of every shadow priest main, then re-introduced her to us in BFA only to let that slowly cook in the background before bringing her back now. She’s mysterious, interesting, definitely bad, and seems like she’s corrupted some of the playerbase onto her side before the expansion even launches. Between her and Iridikron, we have villains that we can look forward to interacting with over the world soul saga. It’s gonna be very interesting to see how it plays out.
I'd really rather see turyelon go insane with light based zealtroy, instead of alleria falling to void corruption. I'd love to see the dangers of the light, and how void doesn't have to make you evil
I imagine Alleria will do a heroic sacrifice of herself and it will set up Turalyon's avenging wrath for Midnight, giving him motivation and even bigger reason to unite the world once more and push the Light's narrative back into the game. There's no one else left to push that wagon on this side of Azeroth, since Anduin seems to follow Thrall's footsteps of core-character dysfunction.
I would be pretty cool with her remaining a more neutral character by WoW Midnight. An enemy of my enemy situation. She helps us fight the Void and we keep her from being devoured by the rest of the Void beings.
Pushing aside my own wishes and all lore, since you know, the video does a good job of explaining that, i'll be using recognizable patterns and my inherent nack for storytelling. The first boss will be a new one or a cop out with a secondary boss like Iridikron, the second boss will most likely be either someone we know or someone they pulled out of their... second expansion. and the last boss will be either Xalatath or a titan.
My opinion? Well, thank you Tali, ok, here goes...I really don't believe that the Titans will be the bad guys. Because like it or not, they affected the very life on Azeroth that we enjoy. And Amun'thul, the god of time, zipping in an out of different time lines, knowing the past-present-future and choosing the right paths that place him at the end times as well... You cannot be serious that we (tiny mortals) could actually destroy a god, (World Shapers and beings that move across the planet, changing the very landscapes we see... ) No, it will be some kind of powerful void lord that actually has it in for the whole universe and we are called upon and given power to bring that being down. It will be good to see what they have been doing to all of the planets, with their machines, though. Re-Origination machines would be a very scary concept.
The titans are very very clearly going to be the baddies sorry to say. First of you have metzen talking about us uncovering a vast conspiracy about the kind of shit the titans have been planning all along for our world. Second you have the earthen story line being about them throwing away the titans and becoming unbound, and the titans literally installing a giant fucking killer machine to eradicate all earthen simply for wanting to be free. That's pretty evil. And third, you have the name of the last part of the saga "the last titan". The titans are going to die
After watching the video, I have some revised opinions on how I think things will play out. I think you are right and the final boss of TWW will be Dimensius on Karesh. I think we will be encouraged to take the fight to him by Locus Walker in anticipation of the void invasion. But I think it will turn out that we were played and Locus Walker is using us as a tool of revenge and to gain power and once we successfully defeat Dimensius, he will take his power for himself and probably be the final boss of either the second tier of Midnight or the final one. Midnight is a very interesting expansion because there are sooo many potential bosses and ways it could play out. There are more potential raid end bosses than raid slots, so we will have to see what they do. Xalatath Azshara Locus Walker Alleria Turalyon Dimensius (assuming we fight someone like Pandemonius at the end of TWW) Any of the old gods could always make a return somehow Insert Naaru or Void God here And then you have whoever is leftover plus Odin Amanthul Sargeras Iridikron Azeroth For the Last Titan, and thats only characters we know of so far. Im curious to see how many end up being baddies because they just cant fit everyone. Im very interested to see what they do with Xalatath because she seems very much to have grand plans of her own outside of her role as harbinger and I really hope they do them justice.
If Xalatath really is just the Harbinger of Dimensius, then it would be weird to kill him as the final boss of War Within and then, you know, still have Xalatath kicking around as a boss fight later. And I guess that's the problem with their relationship- Xalatath is supposed to be the lesser between them, but she's by far the character we're more invested in. I would also feel a bit weird seeing Iridikron *not* get a spot as the final boss of an expansion, which feels like it has to be Last Titan. Like, he can be super-powered by stealing the magics of the Titans he hates and be way beyond what he is on his own, but it would be weird for him to dip out of being the Final Boss of Dragonflight, where we expected to kill him (and did, only for it to get nixed via time-travel), and for him to end up as "merely" the final boss of one raid in The Last Titan. It's weird that we have our 2 big *antagonists* but it's hard to cleanly fit them in as the final boss fights of the upcoming expansions without feeling like we're cutting their appearances short.
For anyone who watches Critical Role, I feel like the Alleria/Arator story could end up very similar to the same trope as Laura Bailey's character Imogen Temult. Alleria gives into the void corruption and tries to keep Arator away because he's in their prophecies. It would be kinda funny since Laura's husband voices Turalyon, and obviously he's a cast member in that story too.
Xal'atath and Dimensionus are probably my top two picks, with Xal'atath having the slight edge purely because she's the main villain at the start . And I'm thinking the final raid will involve Xal'atath trying to create a portal directly between Kar'esh and Azeroth's world soul, essentially allowing the void the "shortcut" past all of Azeroth's defenses. We'll succeed in slamming this portal shut and banishing Xal'atath from Azeroth (if not killing her outright), but not before the Void discovers that Azeroth's awakening is imminent, so they are going to throw everything they have at Azeroth ASAP because they are genuinely terrified of what could happen if she awakens free of their influence.
I could see Xal being the final boss but we don't kill her. This story is supposed to be played out throughout 3 expansion, so i don't see them going they typical "this big bad, just kill it" route.
think your right about dimensius. My guess is that alleria will be fatally woonded by the end. They take here to silvermoon so she can die in her homeland. And when she dies, enter midnight. Might even fit with that old whisper about "at the hour of her third death".
Final boss of the world soul saga is gonna be a void creation called Az'atath, a merging of Azeroths world soul and Xal'atath, and is based on lovecrafts Azatoth :)
i have a BIG lore video for you. why is sargeras Red/yellow - why is Fel Green - why does Eonar wield Felgreen fire. figure that out and you will learn alot about TWSS and "the enemy of all"
Ok, let me get this straight about Iridikron. His declared goal is to rid Azeroth of the corrupting influence of the titans. And to accomplish that, he has made a pact to bring the corrupting influence of the void to Azeroth. Genius.
Honestly I feel like it would be kinda cheap to make Alleria a villain the whole point of her recent story has been about proving that the world isn’t all black and white and the void is a force that can be used for good her turning evil just feels like it would betray that entire story there is a little more evidence that locus walker could be evil but still it just feels somewhat wrong since there’s still so much stigma against the possibility that the void is anything but bad and the light is anything but good
I don't think the morality of the story is intended to be that simple. The Void need not be evil, but does have natures to it to represent, even when beneficial. We've got Xal'atath, the cunning betrayer type. Lokus-Walker, who seems the mysterious plotter type. And Alleria, the "misguided" type, seeking to use dark power for noble intent. Normally she would indeed be set up for a fall. And lose the things, or the feelings, she was fighting for, in return for the power she sought. But, to me it seems like what's happening here, is that Lokus-Walker forged her into a weapon. And that what he would secretly love to aim that weapon at, is the destroyer of his home. Dimensius. Who is conveniently being lured here by someone that is prone to betrayal. And Xal'atath seems very interested in luring Alleria. I don't know if they are scheming together, but 2 out of 3 Void characters here, seem like they would benefit greatly, if Alleria and us killed Dimensius. So that feels more likely than Alleria becoming a villain, to me.
Well, there is an alternative. That Alleria falls in The War Within (losing HER war within), and that Midnight won't be about killing her, but about saving her. Then she could both fall, be the final boss and still end up being a symbol for the Void not being all bad when we start to get a deeper understanding of WHY people fall to the Void, and how to conquer the dangers of it and live with it, a story I think would be very fitting for the face of the void elves, whose struggles are all about these themes.
personally, i think theres a good chance Iridikron could be the final boss of this expansion, but we dont kill him, it'll be like an azshara style situation where in our fight with him, he achieves some kind of goal and just flies off afterwards
The final boss of TWW will be Alleria, almost certainly. The evidence: 1. Alleria has voice lines where she says she feels like she has died twice. We know the Void is coming in Midnight. Il'gynoth whisper "At the hour of her 3rd death she will usher in our coming." Alleria dying will be the trigger that allows the void to invade. 2. Alleria is established as the "counterpart" to Xal'atath in TWW - we know the void is coming so it follows that Xal'atath succeeds at least in part in TWW. It follows that her counterpart (i.e. Alleria) will fail (die) in TWW. 3. The Alleria's theme music that was just datamined is *screaming* that Alleria is dying in TWW lol
I think a trip to some other planet would be pretty odd for an expanssion called "The War WITHIN", it just doesn't sound too "Within"... Now, a trip to a void-infested planet sound much more in line with an expansion called "Midnigth" so my predictions there are that after we "lose" in TWW and fail to stop Xalatath's plans we then (for Midnight expanssion) decide as a bit of a desperate meassure to take the fight to them and that's when we go to out to that planet. I guess Dimenssius could still be the last boss for TWW but I think we would still be in Azeroth and it's them invading us, we lose, then for Midnight we go out to fight him again and probably Xal too. I do agree Irridikron is probably going to show-up at the end of Midnight.
Xal'athath may have had 5 expansions if you include Classic for her Baddie buildup, but Syvanas Windrunner became an agent of the Jailer at the end of WoTLK when she threw herself off the top of Icecrown which would make seven expansions for her villain story buildup.
Her villain story build-up started in Classic when the Forsaken intro literally said she joined the Horde as a temporary alliance of convenience until Forsaken are strong enough to kill all life. WoW was metal back then.
My money's on Dimensius being the last boss of Midnight, maybe Xal'atath as second to last or last boss of penultimate raid in Midnight. For TWW, my money is on Locus Walker or some other ethereal we haven't met yet.
The additional names should include Lor'themar and maybe Thalyssra just because the next expac takes us back to Quel'thalas and that *should* involve them quire heavily. Are they likely contenders for the baddy of WW? Probably not, but imagine what it would take to make that happen and how cool it *could* be to witness the wreckage for WW AS Midnight.
it would be great if they had someone like Dimensius as the last boss of TWW and then Xal'atath stay for longer, but I worry they might just go the lazy route and do the same they did at the end of WoD with Gul'dan again. Meaning Xal'atath being the last boss of TWW and losing, but still managing to summon Dimensius and then we fight the whole "Void Crusade" in midnight and maybe Dimensius even stabs the world with a dagger (perhaps the blade Xal'atath was imprisoned in, but bigger) as a last ditch attempt to seal away Azeroth's world soul
Xal'atath just makes the most sense..."At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming" Killing Xal'atath is what will cause Midnight (the Hour of Twilight) to happen, and Dimensious will be the last boss of that expansion, and a void lord getting so close to Azeroth will cause the Titans to come down for The Last Titan, where Iridikron will end up being the last boss. And for those worried...It's her THIRD death, she can come back.
Nope. Xalatath is already confirmed to not die in this expansion and be apart of the next one. And she is absolutely going to be involved with draining the sunwell of power in midnight. And she will succeed, we know this because metzen already revealed that we will fail protecting it
Maybe the war within refers to some kind of internal conflict within both alleria and xalatath. In that interview they did tease that xalatath may not be a baddie, perhaps theres something that could sway her to our side. Then with Alleria, theres already a bunch of conflict within her, being a warrior of the light for so long and now using the void, wanting to protect her son, etc. She could be swayed to the voids side. So theres a bit of a war within both of these characters
I could see them going for something like Bel'Veth from LoL. A creature from the LoL universe's version of the void who was sent to our world to consume and adapt so she could learn as much about us as possible and make the void's destruction of our reality easier. She ended up consuming and adapting a bit too much and now doesn't want to see our reality destroyed like her masters, so she works directly against them so she can protect the world she plans to take for herself. Still definitely evil since she wants to assimilate all of reality into herself, but still working against what seems to be the LoL universe's big bad. Something along those lines, with Xal being out more for herself than for the void. That would make her a lot easier to work with from our pov since someone who's driven by desire for power can be bought, bribed or otherwise convinced. Unlike someone like Irridikron who seems to just want revenge and I doubt he'd be happy to let the titans go free for a couple of gold and a beach villa.
@@LoveOlsson98 Ooh good point, I can see Xal switching sides just from self preservation. Maybe once she sees us stop whatever the void has planned for azeroth
xel'atath will be a good guy, like the grey neutral that will truely help us understand the void. we will usher in midnight ourselves because the light is showing its evil side again like legion. im calling it
I’m pretty sure Alleria will turn on us once the whole Void vs Light thing takes place in Midnight so I highly doubt it myself. They’ll put her against Turalyon kinda like Lilith and Inarius in Diablo
Great video tali and evitil! I think all of those possibilities are things that are plausible, but I have a slightly different theory I’d like to share. The 5th old god. I know this horse keeps getting beat to death, but hear me out. I know hearthstone is not cannon, but within the game, there is a card named “the ancient one” in order to summon the ancient one, you have to collect the blood of the ancient one. What is Xal’atath and apparently the narubians collecting and using? Old god body parts and in the latest cinematic vials of old god blood, heck the narubians have a piece of an old god hanging from hooks in the latest cinematic. Perhaps the 5th old god is slumbering beneath the roots of this old world tree beneath Kaz’algar, or perhaps the other 4 devoured her. Regardless, this 5th old god is coming and here is the kicker! beladar, the light/void stone in Kaz’algar…. I think it’s a 4th or 5th dimensional device for the void. Perhaps how the void and the void lords will make their way onto the physical plane of Azeroth. Why do I think this? Let’s take a look at the mural beneath Kaz’algar, look at how Beladar is being represented. Now let’s take a step back. We all know blizzard takes inspiration from lovecraft when it comes to the old gods. What if I told you that the Beladar looks eerily simular to the star of Azathoth. In lovecraft, Azathoth is responsible for the creation of Cthulhu, so if we translate this into wow terms, a void lord essentially. If you look at book 4 and how they show the Beladar in its top, bottom, and side profile. The shape is almost that of 4th or 5th dimensional make up for its shape. Heck, with the datamining of us essentially going to Karesh… I think we will go to karesh by using the Beladar, I think we will chase this 5th old god and defeat it, but much like how old gods and their plans upon plans, even when they fail they win. We will not have the luxury of enjoying this victory, the void lords will show up and give chase to us… all the way back to Azeroth, and this is where the war within will end. With the old gods defeated, once and for all, but everything else will be set in motion for the void lords and their army’s to follow us through the Beladar gate. Midnight, will be us fighting to survive and while we may have the armies of the light unite in midnight, I honestly think the light has been preparing for this. The light has 3 armies known atm. First, Yrel and her purging of AU Dranor, second, the Arathi, and lastly? The pawn, Pelagos… Their always has to be a lich king, who is controlling the armies of the damned? The crown of domination has been reforged into the crown of wills, and sits at the seat of power in the shadowlands, controlling soul allocation and designation with the elements of domination and light. Shifting the army of the undead to a light forged undead army. The Primus out did himself with this maneuver, and imo will benefit him and the pantheon when they take action. I fear that while we are so focused on the void, we are not taking into account the light and their role in this upcoming conflict.
What I'm hoping is that Xal'atath is something like Bel'veth (League of legends/riot universe) equivalence in Wow, except her being more malleable to other ideas and more of a neutral to evil character. Bel'veth's introduction to LoL made her into a strong villain but she's kind of like the Lich King, after we got all the information about Arthas trying to make his undead army to face the Burning Legion, in that she will consume anything and everything, just like the void, to stand against the voids wishes of total universal extinction. So it's a trope of "I'm a villain but I am also an antagonist of the greater villain" (except she's exactly like the greater villain with the exception of her having self preservation instincts and her own allegiance). I think WoW/Bliz struck gold with Xal and I hope they don't squander her like they did with Garrosh in WoD.
If Odin is a raid boss im coming back to wow. Can i make a request when he is almost defeated to have him teleported to the sactum of domination? Maybe Hella can find some peace being a painsmith.
For My part, I can see how Xal'atath might be the last boss of the War Within AND stay alive for the next expansion... Sort of the same as N'Zoth being now known to have returned to the Void realm/plane after letting himself be killed on purpose (essentially justifying years after the fact how uncannily easy it was to beat him in BFA in a single patch) 🤔 I'd loooove for Xal'atath to stay beyond the World Soul saga even! I read a comment from someone a few months who speculated Xal'atath might be a lil' piece of corrupted Azeroth that made off and intends to come back, overwhelm all defenses of the planet/titans/us the players races/factions, and reunite with Azeroth (for good or ill who knows) on her own terms. And from there on, there's a myriad ways she could stay after the World Soul saga, not even necessarily as a now-goodie 🤔
I think Iridrikron will be the last boss of the War Within expansion. Xalatath will be the last boss of Midnight expansion. The last titan expansion last boss will be Aman'thul.
My wild prediction is, the titans will turn up at the end of 12.1 to beat back the void (kill stealing us after we've won the raid fight against Dimensius) but will decide that Azeroth is compromised so will start purging the surface of Azeroth to protect the world soul. We team up with Iridikron in 12.2 to kill the titans, but during the raid Azeroth is born leaving only Azeroth as the last titan and potentially the final boss of the saga....somehow.
I hope Xalatath IS the final boss of TWW, but that at the end we put her BACK IN THE DAGGER. That way we can have her around hannibal lector style for Midnight and beyond
As for me - I voting for Amanthul. I believe he is a badass. All this story about Azeroth... It is a World Soul, not their Titan, that they wish to prepare for their party.
I do think Xally will be the last boss of TWW. But I don't think we'll kill her. I think it'll be like Sylvanas in Shadowlands - we fight, we 'win', but not fast enough to stop her from opening the way for the void invasion of Midnight. Iridikron and the Arathi are definitely being set up for later, Dimensius is 100% a raid's final boss in either TWW or Midnight but I doubt he's the final baddy of either expansion. Also, it's really suspicious to me that the mysterious 'emperor' of the arathi empire is entirely unnamed. I'd bet they're either someone we know or a relative of someone we know.
I am betting money on a Guldan situation, she's the final boss, but she wins/escapes and becomes the boss of the first or second patch raid final of Midnight. Would be cool to have her in a void jedi ghost capacity for the rest of the saga.
My original guess was Xally being the initial final boss of TWW, only for it to switch to the Light being that is in the crystal in Hallowfall (which WE take to use as a weapon against her before she Uno-reverses us), but we do successfully destroy ger elven form in the process of destroying the unstable Light being. She returns in Midnight as the 12.1 raid final boss, where we fight her true form rather than her mortal-wrapped essence. Also, this is what I consider to be the "lose state" that causes the events that triggers Midnight. However, for this the final raid would need to culminate at the Sunwell. This isn't impossible, even with the current "etheralraid" datamining, but does the final raid of TWW being held at the Sunwell really make sense? This is making me doubt my own idea.
I think the final boss is going to be a evil version of someone we know like how we're fighting visions of the past in the pre-patch, with his being a pt 1 of a bigger story I don't think there's going to be big bad like there has been in previous expansions. But like Evil/Enslaved Khadgar.
I've got a feeling Xal'atath is the final raid boss, *but* she doesn't die yet. Her current body might, sure, but her Void spirit lives... and instead possesses Alleria, who sacrifices herself to "defeat" Xal. "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming..." *But hey, that's just a theory.*
I'm going to say Magister Umbric. Its been a while since we've killed a faction leader and he is pretty redundant. Taking him out would set Alleria to be leader of the Void Elves.
It would be very funny is Xal'atath turned out to not be old god or void lord adjascent at all, and was actually some sort of avatar of the moons. Her eyes look like two lunar eclipses.
I really want Locus-Walker to turn out to be a genuinely good guy who was helping us cause he didn't want to see our world suffer the same fate as his, just to make everyone feel super guilty being suspicious of him all the time
Me too. He's such a cool Persona, I don't want him being used up. I'd like for him to stay around and become a staple Charakter going forward in WoW.
I think it's correct he's not the villain. But I do believe he is using us. After all, he's crafted Alleria into a weapon against the Void. A weapon Xal'atath seems veeery interested in. For good reason too, as if she tends to betray her masters. And what Master is being guided to our world? The very same as caused the destruction of Lokus-Walker's world. This is a trap. The Would Soul is the bait. And Dimensius is the mouse. And the one who will get vengeance, is him. And if it's not his plan, he seems smart enough to at least know what's being set up. That's my theory at least.
Poor sweet lad's just cursed with resting evil face
I want playable Ethereals some day with him as the racial leader.
I always thought I was the only one who didn't think he was evil. He doesn't sound evil to me, he just speaks very matter of fact.
The final boss will be the Voidwalker with a dumb name you made on your first warlock. Good luck.
/shakes fist at nixgorod curse your sudden inevitable betrayal.
damn you Kraklos, my first ever succubus-now-turned-void-lord!
Johammes how could you 😢
Damn it, Farhuum!
mezzkresh, i think.
This is how you introduce a new hero/villain, in this case Xal'atath, appeared a few expansions earlier, allowing them time to develop and gain a personality.
nah, the definitive way to introduce a new hero/villain is to make them show up out of nowhere and have massive nipples
They did the same thing Nzoth, Azshara, and Argus (the planet), in Azshara's case since warcraft 3, but blizzard completed wasted their potentials
Maybe it'll be Archimonde randomly showing up again and screaming at us? WoD was a wild time.
nah it's Jaraxxus
"Foolish mortals, did you really think my true allegiance was the burning legion?"
Xal'atath shares a prefix with Xal'atoth, the Old God-infused Gorehowl. It's a longshot, but I think a resurrected Y'shaarj might be on the table, saving Dimensius for a later part of the trilogy.
the final boss will be the hunter's pet that ninja-pulled whoever the presumed final boss was
A pig from durotar
So basically Dimensius is Galactus and Xal’Atath is the Silver Surfer? Nice
You know, you aren’t wrong
It’s not the first «Silver Surfer» either.. Guldan, Deathwing, Sylvanas, Azshara kinda
I think the very final boss will be a dominated Azeroth, and we fight to free her from the titans.
Or void, or all of it! So far all of the forces want to use her.
Xal is the harbinger not the final enemy. A harbinger is a herald for what is coming not the big bad itself.
Holy shit, what a big brain you are
@William-ld5hm youre watching a wow video, youre a fucking nerd too
@William-ld5hmlol says the the guy watching someone talk Warcraft speculation and trolling the comment section. 🙄 were all nerds here.
She is the Harbinger. The Harbinger of the Void Lords. Next expansion is the Void Lords expansion. Which means "at the hour of her third death, she ushers in our coming." Xal is the final boss. It's obvious. She's the face of the expansion. Like Arthas, like Deathwing, like Zovaal. This one is obvious.
Didn’t we kill guldan? He was the harbinger for fel. We beat deathwing. Who wasn’t the big bad himself but working for someone bigger technically
I think we might end up fighting the world soul/titan K’aresh itself while we’re visiting that world and dealing with whatever’s going on there.
I think the insinuation locus walker was making about the radiant song wasn’t ’this is just like the last time, it’s dimensius singing to us to mess with us’ I think it’s more like an immune response or early warning system of a world soul saying ‘oh no oh no oh no void lord incoming baton down the hatches it’s about to get real’. In other words the radiant song is Azeroth, and before it was the ethereal home world.
This is how world souls respond when they are scared.
Bold claim -- Iridikron final battle of TWW, however we don't get the dark heart, Xal'Atath will swoop in and take it OR someone will betray us and give it to her. Then she's the final in Midnight and Titans in the finale of the saga.
I agree with you on Aman Thul. I think he and Sargeras will team up or they’ll have had a nice therapy session with Illidan on the pantheon lol
What if, as you've argued before, a world soul only becomes a titan through the efforts of titans 'corrupting' the world soul, and a void lord is the void equivalent - and that that is what happened to K'aresh? As in, Dimensius is the world soul of K'aresh turnt to the void?
I understand that that theory seems natural, as an answer to the question of "Why did he not just corrupt the world? But, the answer is probably simpler. You see, him being the corrupted World Soul doesn't match any account that the Ethereal have, about what happened. Even the "good" ones. So what happened to it? Well, the clue is in the title of Dimensius: The All-Devourering. This dude's theme is hunger. And costs a looot of energy for Void Lords to enter our cosmos. I.. think he just ate it.
This would be too consistent of a story for Blizzard
I am starting to confuse blizzards real recons with Talis theory's now... my wow knowledge is now as usefull as my IRL knowledge 😅
@@BattleF08 So basically, Voidlords are just fat people? They're so fat they can't get past the reality door? and all they wanna do is eat more planet cheeseburgers?
Idle Speculation:
War within: Locuswalker + Our Heroes and Xalatath make a truce to take down Dimensius, Xal kill-steals, takes his power invades Azeroth (maybe kidnapping/corrupting Alleria in the process). Midnight is the fight with Xal herself. In Last Titan we have to kill Iridikron in X.0 or X.1 but then the Titans turn on us for wanting the world soul to have a choice of what it becomes and we have to kick their ass cause we're the Guardians of Azeroth not Odyn's baby titan nanny.
Temporarily teaming up with Xal would be in line with what Maria Hamilton said in the interview
Channeling some serious Outer Wilds energy at 16:00. I love that soundtrack. Such an amazing game.
Theory: it's all 3 named characters, but not a void lord.
Final raid boss is going to locus walker save fight with a mechanic.
Then we fight Xal and Windrunner in the final room, with Locus as a support NPC.
The end cinematic will be Xal and Windrunner spent from the fight and Xal body hopping and killing Windrunner.
'At the hour of her 3rd death she ushers in our coming'
Bam slam to end patch leading us to the Sunwell with a voided Windrunner corpse being piloted by Xal
Final Boss of TWW will be the Nerubian Queen, since she's a Void simp and the Final Boss of the Worldsoul Saga will be our newest villain Iridikron, since he is hellbent on ending the Titans completely, we'll have to save the last of them so the cosmos doesnt collapse.
I love the tag of "The War Within" matching Alleria's internal struggles in her video. I don't think she'll fall to the void, but her war will be quelled by accepting both the light and the void within her. A la Kerrigan from Starcraft 2.
My Spriest transmogs Xal'atath, blade of the black empire and it will still sometimes say, "Mmmm, delicious" when you kill something. It looks great all glowy and voidy. I also suspect a Xal'atath statue to come as well, and hope it's @$600, but thinking it's going to be more like $1200, at least.
Dimensius in K'aresh will be the end boss for War Within. Xal will be the Harbinger ushering him in.
However, when he is defeated, it will cause a rift to break between K'aresh and Azeroth (similar to the Tomb of Sargeras being a large scale fel portal, or the space rift between Argus and Azeroth). We've already seen smaller portals like this, such as in Abberus, but this will be so large it will lead to a full scale invasion of the Void.
End of Midnight will be the end of both Shadow and Light in large presences on Azeroth (but still enough to empower us.) This will essentially get rid of large cosmic forces on Azeroth: Disorder has been beaten back, Death has been fixed, and Life is typically hands off (except when Death was broken). If Light and Shadow are both weakened to the same extent then that leaves (drumroll, please) only Order left. Which means the Titans, as a cosmic force, will be left unopposed for all of The Last Titan. A perfect opportunity for them to finally enact their final plan of Azeroth giving birth to a new Titan .. something that would destroy Azeroth in the process and we should probably try and stop. By, you know, killing Aman'Thul and the rest of the Pantheon, which would leave Azeroth as .. the last Titan.
Not gonna lie, as someone who was totally sick of Sylvanas up until the soulsplit story (which everyone else seems to hate), I would absolutely LOVE if she came back to help us bring Alleria back from the brink of going full void. Along with Vareesa, maybe the spirit of their brother, Turalyon and Arator, too, a whole big family saving family story.
Just because it’s the war within and a lot of earthy stuff I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s iridikron.
Midnight idk in regards to anything. But for last titan I really I want some crazy shit to go down and we fight at least amanthul.
I think Xal will be the final boss of Midnight, Iridikron will be the boss of 13.2, and Amant'hul will be the final boss of Last Titan. As for WW, not sure, though, your Dimensius idea with travelling to Koresh and all that feels like a natural way to end WW and usher in Midnight.
I don't want Iridikron. He's boring and meaningless
The logo that apears on the map the one that has the reputation list, is now a concentric circle that had two lines, that same symbol is a seal on the door that contains the Fallen Avatar in Tomb of Sargeras
i really hope that ethereals become a playable race.. it'd be perfect timing for it if we do go to their home..
Id love to transmog an ethereal into normal civillian clothes, that would be a beautifully stupid contrast.
won't happen blizzard already added a new race in war within those stone dwarves you people wish something that won't come they definitely not gonna add a new race after adding one already
@@Mysterious-Fox-01they’ve literally done it before lol. And they can add them in midnight.
@@Mysterious-Fox-01 wouldnt be the first time they've multiple races in a single expansion. also wouldnt be the first time they added races at the end of an expansion. they've changed when and how they release races so often that its not out of the question for them to add a non-allied race at the end of an expansion
and all that is avoiding the fact that if we'd go to their home it would be the end of the expansion so the story could lead into them officially joining at the start of midnight (like, in prepatch.. similar to lightforged draenai joining in bfa's prepatch after we went to their home at the end of legion)..
@@Dante1920 sadly i think they'd end up being like the dracthyr.. likely you'd have set armor cosmetics in character creation and only belt and shoulders would be visible.. (maybe boots and gloves as well).
though maybe they'd give a way to form a more corporeal form (again, like the dracthyr's visage) to show off armor types better.. though that'd take away from what makes them so cool so i doubt people would want that
As a fellow Outer Wilds enjoyer I appreciate your use of the soundtrack in *every* video :)
"at the climax of the last Titan"
...watching this at 1:30am during my nightshift..gave me some .. thoughts
Yashaarj: lets be honst: 0:22 is probably his claw.
proofs: garrosh drops a item called: Black Blood of Y'Shaarj.
further more: it increases Int every 5 seconds - we know the Nerubians have evolved to Hyper 2leg nerubians with more Int.
Interesting is: "Wrath of the Darkspear" - this would suggest trolls where alive at the time of the black empire and are connected to Y'Shaarj
guys I was such an avid listening of your podcast I truly think it's a shame you don't them a lot. We would even enjoy a shorter version.
I haven't watched the video yet, but based on the Harbinger quest, it will be the Light, thus bringing in the next midnight expansion.
I'm not even sure if we will kill Xalatath, though we might destroy her mortal form and banish her or something like that.
And I think we might cross paths with her in TWWI and possibly even fight her at some point, but I guess her final fight might come with Midnight.
Then Iridikron and whoever for The Last Titan.
Knifus proper place is back in the blade.
Good prediction on Iridikron coming into the picture to start off The Last Titan, that sounds credible/right
I'm on the "Eonar is sus" train, and think she might be the real threat, hiding behind Aman'thul. But maybe she's just Elune in disguise, hiding in plain sight! I'm here for Titan mysteries being uncovered.
My prediction is pretty simple. I think Lokus-Walker turned Alleria into a weapon, just like she asked him to. And now Xal'atath, someone very interested in Alleria, and someone prone to betraying her masters, is luring Lokus-Walker's ancient enemy to Azeroth. I think the world soul is bait. And I think the trap is set for Dimensius. And I think we and Alleria are going to be swung at this hungry world-eater, for the benefit of Lokus-Walker and Xal'atath.
i think it'd make sense if Xalatath is "the big bad" of TWW, but in some sense we only kill her physical form, forcing her to possess Alleria for midnight.
ooooh!
Would make sense why are they showing them as 2 side of the same coin.
I am hoping for Taliesin and Evitel to be the final endbosses. Open to powers and abilities suggestions
I think Odyn will be a raid boss before the last boss, and if it's aman'thul, well, there's one raid with Odyn followed by Aman'thul. Great speculation though. Love these vids!
Xal’atath will either be the final boss of tww or the final boss of the second raid in Midnight. Basically along the lines of Guldan and Sylvanas
Someone else already said it, but it's pretty clear that the final "boss" (so to speak) is not xalatath. She is called the harbinger, she is warning of something else to come, she is the facilitator of whoever the last boss is. That's what a harbinger is. In my language it translates to "warning of change" or "precursor to change".
She also has a pretty clear goal in mind that she is working towards. Something or someone that she wants to usher into the world.
And my guess is that war within will be a preparation of sorts to set her plans in motion, in midnight her plan will succeed, and in the last titan we have to deal with whatever she set in motion. And metzen already revealed that the last titan will be about us seeing the return of the titans to our world.
And i think that whatever her plan is the nerubians falling in the upcoming raid is planned and won't be a surprise to her. I think that whatever she has planned doesn't require the nerubians to win. They are expendable to her. Imo she is using them as a distraction for whatever else she is up to atm.
The reason why i don't think she will succeed until midnight is because midnight is about xalatath taking over the sunwell. I think she's gonna drain in and use it's power for her plans to succeed. Metzen also said we will fail protecting the sunwell. And somewhere in all of this iridikron is involved. He is working with xalatath as we've seen before, but he's being suspiciously absent from the story. What is he up to eh? And we know that iridikron ultimately wants to kill all the titans (therefore the last part of the saga is called "the last titan"). One of them survives but as the only one.
The only question is, is xalatath fully and completely working with iridikron and is also after the titans, or does she have her plans and is only using iridikron as a stepping stone for her plans to succeed. I think the latter. I think her ultimate goal is something to do with the Void Lords or the black empire in general. And I think iridikron will succeed killing all but one of the titans, and then xalatath will turn around and say "sike!" and zap him, and fulfill her own plans.
So just to be absolutely clear here. There is absolutely no way that the last boss of the whole saga is iridikron. And it's also not xalatath. Something else is coming. People just have very limited imaginations in this comment section.
As for my prediction for war within final boss specifically, i don't think it needs to be a big huge baddie that we already know the name of. I think xal has her hands in a lot of cookie jars and most of the war within, including the ending, will be about us trying to get a handle on all the stuff she's setting in motion all over
Iridikron - War Within
Xal'atath - Midnight
Aman'Thul - Last titan
Just my thoughts.
IMO, the setup of GOING UNDERGROUND is setting up Iridikron, as being used as a tool to further the void's goals. Also, as a grand final boss, we still have access to a contact from the dragon isles *sough* vyranoth *cough* who could help us out with an effective offensive against him. Calling it now, the main boss and small patch bosses will be in a way Iridikron, xal'atath in midnight, and finally azshara and dimensius in the last titan.
Tali: "Family bonds" "some things cannot be corrupted"
Arthas: ...seriously?!
Blizzard’s greatest story victory has been Xal’s story up to this point. They started with a dagger with a seductive voice, made it the Knifu of every shadow priest main, then re-introduced her to us in BFA only to let that slowly cook in the background before bringing her back now. She’s mysterious, interesting, definitely bad, and seems like she’s corrupted some of the playerbase onto her side before the expansion even launches.
Between her and Iridikron, we have villains that we can look forward to interacting with over the world soul saga.
It’s gonna be very interesting to see how it plays out.
I'd really rather see turyelon go insane with light based zealtroy, instead of alleria falling to void corruption. I'd love to see the dangers of the light, and how void doesn't have to make you evil
I imagine Alleria will do a heroic sacrifice of herself and it will set up Turalyon's avenging wrath for Midnight, giving him motivation and even bigger reason to unite the world once more and push the Light's narrative back into the game. There's no one else left to push that wagon on this side of Azeroth, since Anduin seems to follow Thrall's footsteps of core-character dysfunction.
I would be pretty cool with her remaining a more neutral character by WoW Midnight. An enemy of my enemy situation. She helps us fight the Void and we keep her from being devoured by the rest of the Void beings.
Yep agreeee, Dimensius makes sense because of the radiant song, and Amanthul makes sense because titans bad, and things that nozdormu said
Pushing aside my own wishes and all lore, since you know, the video does a good job of explaining that, i'll be using recognizable patterns and my inherent nack for storytelling. The first boss will be a new one or a cop out with a secondary boss like Iridikron, the second boss will most likely be either someone we know or someone they pulled out of their... second expansion. and the last boss will be either Xalatath or a titan.
I can see Aman'thul absorbing the other titans (even Sargeras) to try and fight Dimensius
Nobody expect the AU Draenor Inquisiton! Light Forged Garrosh goes brrrrrrrrrrr.
My opinion? Well, thank you Tali, ok, here goes...I really don't believe that the Titans will be the bad guys. Because like it or not, they affected the very life on Azeroth that we enjoy. And Amun'thul, the god of time, zipping in an out of different time lines, knowing the past-present-future and choosing the right paths that place him at the end times as well... You cannot be serious that we (tiny mortals) could actually destroy a god, (World Shapers and beings that move across the planet, changing the very landscapes we see... ) No, it will be some kind of powerful void lord that actually has it in for the whole universe and we are called upon and given power to bring that being down.
It will be good to see what they have been doing to all of the planets, with their machines, though. Re-Origination machines would be a very scary concept.
The titans are very very clearly going to be the baddies sorry to say.
First of you have metzen talking about us uncovering a vast conspiracy about the kind of shit the titans have been planning all along for our world.
Second you have the earthen story line being about them throwing away the titans and becoming unbound, and the titans literally installing a giant fucking killer machine to eradicate all earthen simply for wanting to be free. That's pretty evil.
And third, you have the name of the last part of the saga "the last titan". The titans are going to die
After watching the video, I have some revised opinions on how I think things will play out.
I think you are right and the final boss of TWW will be Dimensius on Karesh. I think we will be encouraged to take the fight to him by Locus Walker in anticipation of the void invasion. But I think it will turn out that we were played and Locus Walker is using us as a tool of revenge and to gain power and once we successfully defeat Dimensius, he will take his power for himself and probably be the final boss of either the second tier of Midnight or the final one.
Midnight is a very interesting expansion because there are sooo many potential bosses and ways it could play out. There are more potential raid end bosses than raid slots, so we will have to see what they do.
Xalatath
Azshara
Locus Walker
Alleria
Turalyon
Dimensius (assuming we fight someone like Pandemonius at the end of TWW)
Any of the old gods could always make a return somehow
Insert Naaru or Void God here
And then you have whoever is leftover plus
Odin
Amanthul
Sargeras
Iridikron
Azeroth
For the Last Titan, and thats only characters we know of so far. Im curious to see how many end up being baddies because they just cant fit everyone. Im very interested to see what they do with Xalatath because she seems very much to have grand plans of her own outside of her role as harbinger and I really hope they do them justice.
If Xalatath really is just the Harbinger of Dimensius, then it would be weird to kill him as the final boss of War Within and then, you know, still have Xalatath kicking around as a boss fight later. And I guess that's the problem with their relationship- Xalatath is supposed to be the lesser between them, but she's by far the character we're more invested in.
I would also feel a bit weird seeing Iridikron *not* get a spot as the final boss of an expansion, which feels like it has to be Last Titan. Like, he can be super-powered by stealing the magics of the Titans he hates and be way beyond what he is on his own, but it would be weird for him to dip out of being the Final Boss of Dragonflight, where we expected to kill him (and did, only for it to get nixed via time-travel), and for him to end up as "merely" the final boss of one raid in The Last Titan.
It's weird that we have our 2 big *antagonists* but it's hard to cleanly fit them in as the final boss fights of the upcoming expansions without feeling like we're cutting their appearances short.
For anyone who watches Critical Role, I feel like the Alleria/Arator story could end up very similar to the same trope as Laura Bailey's character Imogen Temult. Alleria gives into the void corruption and tries to keep Arator away because he's in their prophecies. It would be kinda funny since Laura's husband voices Turalyon, and obviously he's a cast member in that story too.
Xal'atath and Dimensionus are probably my top two picks, with Xal'atath having the slight edge purely because she's the main villain at the start . And I'm thinking the final raid will involve Xal'atath trying to create a portal directly between Kar'esh and Azeroth's world soul, essentially allowing the void the "shortcut" past all of Azeroth's defenses. We'll succeed in slamming this portal shut and banishing Xal'atath from Azeroth (if not killing her outright), but not before the Void discovers that Azeroth's awakening is imminent, so they are going to throw everything they have at Azeroth ASAP because they are genuinely terrified of what could happen if she awakens free of their influence.
I could see Xal being the final boss but we don't kill her. This story is supposed to be played out throughout 3 expansion, so i don't see them going they typical "this big bad, just kill it" route.
think your right about dimensius. My guess is that alleria will be fatally woonded by the end. They take here to silvermoon so she can die in her homeland. And when she dies, enter midnight. Might even fit with that old whisper about "at the hour of her third death".
Final boss of the world soul saga is gonna be a void creation called Az'atath, a merging of Azeroths world soul and Xal'atath, and is based on lovecrafts Azatoth :)
I would love to slay Aman'Thul. But we already have the "Titanslayer" title from Legion (which I have :D) so I wonder what they'll do about that haha.
i have a BIG lore video for you. why is sargeras Red/yellow - why is Fel Green - why does Eonar wield Felgreen fire.
figure that out and you will learn alot about TWSS and "the enemy of all"
Ok, let me get this straight about Iridikron. His declared goal is to rid Azeroth of the corrupting influence of the titans. And to accomplish that, he has made a pact to bring the corrupting influence of the void to Azeroth. Genius.
Honestly I feel like it would be kinda cheap to make Alleria a villain the whole point of her recent story has been about proving that the world isn’t all black and white and the void is a force that can be used for good her turning evil just feels like it would betray that entire story there is a little more evidence that locus walker could be evil but still it just feels somewhat wrong since there’s still so much stigma against the possibility that the void is anything but bad and the light is anything but good
She won't be. She will die and usher in what's coming.
betraying the whole character concept is a blizzard staple at this point
I don't think the morality of the story is intended to be that simple. The Void need not be evil, but does have natures to it to represent, even when beneficial. We've got Xal'atath, the cunning betrayer type. Lokus-Walker, who seems the mysterious plotter type. And Alleria, the "misguided" type, seeking to use dark power for noble intent. Normally she would indeed be set up for a fall. And lose the things, or the feelings, she was fighting for, in return for the power she sought.
But, to me it seems like what's happening here, is that Lokus-Walker forged her into a weapon. And that what he would secretly love to aim that weapon at, is the destroyer of his home. Dimensius. Who is conveniently being lured here by someone that is prone to betrayal. And Xal'atath seems very interested in luring Alleria. I don't know if they are scheming together, but 2 out of 3 Void characters here, seem like they would benefit greatly, if Alleria and us killed Dimensius. So that feels more likely than Alleria becoming a villain, to me.
Well, there is an alternative. That Alleria falls in The War Within (losing HER war within), and that Midnight won't be about killing her, but about saving her. Then she could both fall, be the final boss and still end up being a symbol for the Void not being all bad when we start to get a deeper understanding of WHY people fall to the Void, and how to conquer the dangers of it and live with it, a story I think would be very fitting for the face of the void elves, whose struggles are all about these themes.
personally, i think theres a good chance Iridikron could be the final boss of this expansion, but we dont kill him, it'll be like an azshara style situation where in our fight with him, he achieves some kind of goal and just flies off afterwards
The final boss of TWW will be Alleria, almost certainly. The evidence:
1. Alleria has voice lines where she says she feels like she has died twice. We know the Void is coming in Midnight. Il'gynoth whisper "At the hour of her 3rd death she will usher in our coming." Alleria dying will be the trigger that allows the void to invade.
2. Alleria is established as the "counterpart" to Xal'atath in TWW - we know the void is coming so it follows that Xal'atath succeeds at least in part in TWW. It follows that her counterpart (i.e. Alleria) will fail (die) in TWW.
3. The Alleria's theme music that was just datamined is *screaming* that Alleria is dying in TWW lol
End bosses:
TWW > Dimensius
Midnight > Azshara
The last titan > Aman'thul
I think a trip to some other planet would be pretty odd for an expanssion called "The War WITHIN", it just doesn't sound too "Within"... Now, a trip to a void-infested planet sound much more in line with an expansion called "Midnigth" so my predictions there are that after we "lose" in TWW and fail to stop Xalatath's plans we then (for Midnight expanssion) decide as a bit of a desperate meassure to take the fight to them and that's when we go to out to that planet. I guess Dimenssius could still be the last boss for TWW but I think we would still be in Azeroth and it's them invading us, we lose, then for Midnight we go out to fight him again and probably Xal too. I do agree Irridikron is probably going to show-up at the end of Midnight.
I'm curious to see what roll Illidan is gonna play in all this. The last time we saw him was with the Titans.
Xal'athath may have had 5 expansions if you include Classic for her Baddie buildup, but Syvanas Windrunner became an agent of the Jailer at the end of WoTLK when she threw herself off the top of Icecrown which would make seven expansions for her villain story buildup.
Her villain story build-up started in Classic when the Forsaken intro literally said she joined the Horde as a temporary alliance of convenience until Forsaken are strong enough to kill all life. WoW was metal back then.
My money's on Dimensius being the last boss of Midnight, maybe Xal'atath as second to last or last boss of penultimate raid in Midnight. For TWW, my money is on Locus Walker or some other ethereal we haven't met yet.
The additional names should include Lor'themar and maybe Thalyssra just because the next expac takes us back to Quel'thalas and that *should* involve them quire heavily. Are they likely contenders for the baddy of WW? Probably not, but imagine what it would take to make that happen and how cool it *could* be to witness the wreckage for WW AS Midnight.
it would be great if they had someone like Dimensius as the last boss of TWW and then Xal'atath stay for longer, but I worry they might just go the lazy route and do the same they did at the end of WoD with Gul'dan again. Meaning Xal'atath being the last boss of TWW and losing, but still managing to summon Dimensius and then we fight the whole "Void Crusade" in midnight and maybe Dimensius even stabs the world with a dagger (perhaps the blade Xal'atath was imprisoned in, but bigger) as a last ditch attempt to seal away Azeroth's world soul
Xal'atath just makes the most sense..."At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming" Killing Xal'atath is what will cause Midnight (the Hour of Twilight) to happen, and Dimensious will be the last boss of that expansion, and a void lord getting so close to Azeroth will cause the Titans to come down for The Last Titan, where Iridikron will end up being the last boss.
And for those worried...It's her THIRD death, she can come back.
Nope. Xalatath is already confirmed to not die in this expansion and be apart of the next one. And she is absolutely going to be involved with draining the sunwell of power in midnight. And she will succeed, we know this because metzen already revealed that we will fail protecting it
Maybe the war within refers to some kind of internal conflict within both alleria and xalatath. In that interview they did tease that xalatath may not be a baddie, perhaps theres something that could sway her to our side. Then with Alleria, theres already a bunch of conflict within her, being a warrior of the light for so long and now using the void, wanting to protect her son, etc. She could be swayed to the voids side. So theres a bit of a war within both of these characters
I could see them going for something like Bel'Veth from LoL. A creature from the LoL universe's version of the void who was sent to our world to consume and adapt so she could learn as much about us as possible and make the void's destruction of our reality easier. She ended up consuming and adapting a bit too much and now doesn't want to see our reality destroyed like her masters, so she works directly against them so she can protect the world she plans to take for herself. Still definitely evil since she wants to assimilate all of reality into herself, but still working against what seems to be the LoL universe's big bad.
Something along those lines, with Xal being out more for herself than for the void. That would make her a lot easier to work with from our pov since someone who's driven by desire for power can be bought, bribed or otherwise convinced. Unlike someone like Irridikron who seems to just want revenge and I doubt he'd be happy to let the titans go free for a couple of gold and a beach villa.
@@LoveOlsson98 Ooh good point, I can see Xal switching sides just from self preservation. Maybe once she sees us stop whatever the void has planned for azeroth
xel'atath will be a good guy, like the grey neutral that will truely help us understand the void. we will usher in midnight ourselves because the light is showing its evil side again like legion. im calling it
I’m pretty sure Alleria will turn on us once the whole Void vs Light thing takes place in Midnight so I highly doubt it myself.
They’ll put her against Turalyon kinda like Lilith and Inarius in Diablo
Sargaras will return and help us.
Great video tali and evitil! I think all of those possibilities are things that are plausible, but I have a slightly different theory I’d like to share.
The 5th old god. I know this horse keeps getting beat to death, but hear me out. I know hearthstone is not cannon, but within the game, there is a card named “the ancient one” in order to summon the ancient one, you have to collect the blood of the ancient one. What is Xal’atath and apparently the narubians collecting and using? Old god body parts and in the latest cinematic vials of old god blood, heck the narubians have a piece of an old god hanging from hooks in the latest cinematic. Perhaps the 5th old god is slumbering beneath the roots of this old world tree beneath Kaz’algar, or perhaps the other 4 devoured her. Regardless, this 5th old god is coming and here is the kicker! beladar, the light/void stone in Kaz’algar…. I think it’s a 4th or 5th dimensional device for the void. Perhaps how the void and the void lords will make their way onto the physical plane of Azeroth. Why do I think this? Let’s take a look at the mural beneath Kaz’algar, look at how Beladar is being represented. Now let’s take a step back. We all know blizzard takes inspiration from lovecraft when it comes to the old gods. What if I told you that the Beladar looks eerily simular to the star of Azathoth. In lovecraft, Azathoth is responsible for the creation of Cthulhu, so if we translate this into wow terms, a void lord essentially. If you look at book 4 and how they show the Beladar in its top, bottom, and side profile. The shape is almost that of 4th or 5th dimensional make up for its shape. Heck, with the datamining of us essentially going to Karesh… I think we will go to karesh by using the Beladar, I think we will chase this 5th old god and defeat it, but much like how old gods and their plans upon plans, even when they fail they win. We will not have the luxury of enjoying this victory, the void lords will show up and give chase to us… all the way back to Azeroth, and this is where the war within will end. With the old gods defeated, once and for all, but everything else will be set in motion for the void lords and their army’s to follow us through the Beladar gate. Midnight, will be us fighting to survive and while we may have the armies of the light unite in midnight, I honestly think the light has been preparing for this.
The light has 3 armies known atm. First, Yrel and her purging of AU Dranor, second, the Arathi, and lastly? The pawn, Pelagos… Their always has to be a lich king, who is controlling the armies of the damned? The crown of domination has been reforged into the crown of wills, and sits at the seat of power in the shadowlands, controlling soul allocation and designation with the elements of domination and light. Shifting the army of the undead to a light forged undead army. The Primus out did himself with this maneuver, and imo will benefit him and the pantheon when they take action. I fear that while we are so focused on the void, we are not taking into account the light and their role in this upcoming conflict.
What I'm hoping is that Xal'atath is something like Bel'veth (League of legends/riot universe) equivalence in Wow, except her being more malleable to other ideas and more of a neutral to evil character. Bel'veth's introduction to LoL made her into a strong villain but she's kind of like the Lich King, after we got all the information about Arthas trying to make his undead army to face the Burning Legion, in that she will consume anything and everything, just like the void, to stand against the voids wishes of total universal extinction. So it's a trope of "I'm a villain but I am also an antagonist of the greater villain" (except she's exactly like the greater villain with the exception of her having self preservation instincts and her own allegiance). I think WoW/Bliz struck gold with Xal and I hope they don't squander her like they did with Garrosh in WoD.
Knowing what we know now with the opening cutscene I think Khadgar is the final TWW raid boss. Also I’m all in on the protect Xalatath fan club
If Odin is a raid boss im coming back to wow. Can i make a request when he is almost defeated to have him teleported to the sactum of domination? Maybe Hella can find some peace being a painsmith.
For My part, I can see how Xal'atath might be the last boss of the War Within AND stay alive for the next expansion... Sort of the same as N'Zoth being now known to have returned to the Void realm/plane after letting himself be killed on purpose (essentially justifying years after the fact how uncannily easy it was to beat him in BFA in a single patch) 🤔
I'd loooove for Xal'atath to stay beyond the World Soul saga even! I read a comment from someone a few months who speculated Xal'atath might be a lil' piece of corrupted Azeroth that made off and intends to come back, overwhelm all defenses of the planet/titans/us the players races/factions, and reunite with Azeroth (for good or ill who knows) on her own terms. And from there on, there's a myriad ways she could stay after the World Soul saga, not even necessarily as a now-goodie 🤔
Another candidate will be Turalyon will be a lightforged fanatic Garrosh 2.0 but Alliance version maybe.
I think Iridrikron will be the last boss of the War Within expansion. Xalatath will be the last boss of Midnight expansion. The last titan expansion last boss will be Aman'thul.
My wild prediction is, the titans will turn up at the end of 12.1 to beat back the void (kill stealing us after we've won the raid fight against Dimensius) but will decide that Azeroth is compromised so will start purging the surface of Azeroth to protect the world soul. We team up with Iridikron in 12.2 to kill the titans, but during the raid Azeroth is born leaving only Azeroth as the last titan and potentially the final boss of the saga....somehow.
I have a feeling there's not coffee in that cup! =D
I hope Xalatath IS the final boss of TWW, but that at the end we put her BACK IN THE DAGGER. That way we can have her around hannibal lector style for Midnight and beyond
As for me - I voting for Amanthul. I believe he is a badass.
All this story about Azeroth... It is a World Soul, not their Titan, that they wish to prepare for their party.
I do think Xally will be the last boss of TWW. But I don't think we'll kill her. I think it'll be like Sylvanas in Shadowlands - we fight, we 'win', but not fast enough to stop her from opening the way for the void invasion of Midnight.
Iridikron and the Arathi are definitely being set up for later, Dimensius is 100% a raid's final boss in either TWW or Midnight but I doubt he's the final baddy of either expansion.
Also, it's really suspicious to me that the mysterious 'emperor' of the arathi empire is entirely unnamed. I'd bet they're either someone we know or a relative of someone we know.
I am betting money on a Guldan situation, she's the final boss, but she wins/escapes and becomes the boss of the first or second patch raid final of Midnight. Would be cool to have her in a void jedi ghost capacity for the rest of the saga.
Garrosh my warchief
INB4 Sylvanas sacrifices herself to save Alleria and Illidan comes back with Velen to help us fight Iridikron
My original guess was Xally being the initial final boss of TWW, only for it to switch to the Light being that is in the crystal in Hallowfall (which WE take to use as a weapon against her before she Uno-reverses us), but we do successfully destroy ger elven form in the process of destroying the unstable Light being. She returns in Midnight as the 12.1 raid final boss, where we fight her true form rather than her mortal-wrapped essence. Also, this is what I consider to be the "lose state" that causes the events that triggers Midnight.
However, for this the final raid would need to culminate at the Sunwell. This isn't impossible, even with the current "etheralraid" datamining, but does the final raid of TWW being held at the Sunwell really make sense? This is making me doubt my own idea.
I think the final boss is going to be a evil version of someone we know like how we're fighting visions of the past in the pre-patch, with his being a pt 1 of a bigger story I don't think there's going to be big bad like there has been in previous expansions. But like Evil/Enslaved Khadgar.
I've got a feeling Xal'atath is the final raid boss, *but* she doesn't die yet. Her current body might, sure, but her Void spirit lives... and instead possesses Alleria, who sacrifices herself to "defeat" Xal. "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming..."
*But hey, that's just a theory.*
Range DPS Spec tierlist please!!
If my SP has a one hander, I ALWAYS tmog it back to Xal'.
I'm going to say Magister Umbric. Its been a while since we've killed a faction leader and he is pretty redundant. Taking him out would set Alleria to be leader of the Void Elves.
It would be very funny is Xal'atath turned out to not be old god or void lord adjascent at all, and was actually some sort of avatar of the moons. Her eyes look like two lunar eclipses.
I am sure Xal'atath is the silver surfer of Dimensius to guide him to world, that's why Locus walker know her