I've also sailed on a Flying Dutchman - th-cam.com/video/07olsliz--o/w-d-xo.html. It was also a super cool boat to sail and I want to do it again, but the 505 still has my heart. :)
looking good..!! what a lovely video..!! For me, too much kicker on during the downwind up until about 4:20 - you really want it just as a backstop up until about 8 knots - especially downwind. I think I see at 6:50/6:55 that you can adjust your mainsheet strops. Worth pulling the mainsheet block up to windward in light to medium, conditions if you can. It centrelines the boom, and will get you pointing. Keep loving the 505..!!
Glad you enjoyed it! That boat is set up as a simplified practice/loaner boat, so the systems aren't as refined as lot of other 505s. (for example: the mainsheet bridle functions as a pure height control only, though it does appear otherwise) We were thankful to be able to use it, as I was unable to get my boat for this one. We did have to figure out things as the muscle memory just wasn't there, but we got it sorted by the end of the weekend.
Was there a bit of reefing on the genoa?!? The luff almost looked like it was rolled a bit. Is that something a lighter crew might do to compensate for less weight on the wire? I've not much experience in racing and never on the faster classes. Just asking by what I thought I was seeing.
No, that would probably just be some effects of the sails being old. There isn't a way to reduce the jib (other than just having a smaller one to put on). Lightweight teams (like I usually am with) have plenty of other ways to de-power with control lines. Rake the mast back, add tension on pretty much everything, and haul out the jib leads and lightweight teams can keep the boat going pretty well through just about anything.
You do. This was the setup before the double pole system was developed. It's still on the launcher, so hook the guy on and pull the launcher line to set the pole. The guy automatically released when you release the pole, there's a little fork fitting on the end instead of the normal jaws on an end-to-end pole It's a little slower then the double pole system but still really efficient.
Nice video, it was fun to see that perspective. I did a bunch of 50 midwinters when they were in Melbourne at Eau Gallie YC. Def got this now 70 yo adrenaline pumping. The 505 is an awesome boat and class. I was a big crew, looked like I woulda been flat out on the wire at the end. I think I still have my 50 crew union card. Thanks.
Having raced both the 505 and the Fireball my conclusion is that the Fireball is a more satisfying boat to sail. 505's are complete thoroughbreds fast and well balanced but Fireballs are fast and let you know they are fast, that's the difference. Sorry guys it's just my opinion.
Not great haha, it's a tough fleet and we were sailing together for the first time. We might have been dead last, I don't remember. It was still a lot of fun though, which is a big part of why I love the class - you can race against the best sailors in the world and still have a great time even from the back of the fleet.
sweet video, had a blast sailing at midwinters.
Never sailed one, had a Fireball and FD. Nothing beats the Flying Dutchman in my opinion.
8:50 more shroud tension? cant keep the bow down.... probably need a little more twist.
What about the Flying Dutchman?
I've also sailed on a Flying Dutchman - th-cam.com/video/07olsliz--o/w-d-xo.html. It was also a super cool boat to sail and I want to do it again, but the 505 still has my heart. :)
@@Wire2WireSailing Cool. I sail FD, but never sailed 505.
looking good..!! what a lovely video..!!
For me, too much kicker on during the downwind up until about 4:20 - you really want it just as a backstop up until about 8 knots - especially downwind.
I think I see at 6:50/6:55 that you can adjust your mainsheet strops. Worth pulling the mainsheet block up to windward in light to medium, conditions if you can. It centrelines the boom, and will get you pointing. Keep loving the 505..!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
That boat is set up as a simplified practice/loaner boat, so the systems aren't as refined as lot of other 505s. (for example: the mainsheet bridle functions as a pure height control only, though it does appear otherwise) We were thankful to be able to use it, as I was unable to get my boat for this one. We did have to figure out things as the muscle memory just wasn't there, but we got it sorted by the end of the weekend.
Was there a bit of reefing on the genoa?!? The luff almost looked like it was rolled a bit. Is that something a lighter crew might do to compensate for less weight on the wire? I've not much experience in racing and never on the faster classes. Just asking by what I thought I was seeing.
No, that would probably just be some effects of the sails being old. There isn't a way to reduce the jib (other than just having a smaller one to put on). Lightweight teams (like I usually am with) have plenty of other ways to de-power with control lines. Rake the mast back, add tension on pretty much everything, and haul out the jib leads and lightweight teams can keep the boat going pretty well through just about anything.
Downhaul homie
Did a 505 Brass Monkey series
January 1989 UK Thames Estuary
My goodness it was a tad nippy - 8
Even dry suits didn't help much
Wow that's cold! I'd have stayed indoors! I've never sailed in weather where a dry suit is needed, it just doesn't get that cold.
Thanks for posting, feels like I'm in the boat!
how does the single pole with a launcher work vs the dual pole? it seems like you would still have to switch which guy was attached through every jibe
You do. This was the setup before the double pole system was developed. It's still on the launcher, so hook the guy on and pull the launcher line to set the pole. The guy automatically released when you release the pole, there's a little fork fitting on the end instead of the normal jaws on an end-to-end pole It's a little slower then the double pole system but still really efficient.
Nice video, it was fun to see that perspective. I did a bunch of 50 midwinters when they were in Melbourne at Eau Gallie YC. Def got this now 70 yo adrenaline pumping. The 505 is an awesome boat and class. I was a big crew, looked like I woulda been flat out on the wire at the end. I think I still have my 50 crew union card. Thanks.
I think by the end of the day everyone was flat out and sending it. Perfect conditions and great fun.
Having raced both the 505 and the Fireball my conclusion is that the Fireball is a more satisfying boat to sail. 505's are complete thoroughbreds fast and well balanced but Fireballs are fast and let you know they are fast, that's the difference. Sorry guys it's just my opinion.
I see Fireballs in my 505 rearview..lol
Never been on a Fireball, there aren't many around here, but I like the "all out" nature of the 505. It's part of the appeal for me.
Where do you have the rearview mounted? I imagine it would get in the way of something!
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What was your placing?
Not great haha, it's a tough fleet and we were sailing together for the first time. We might have been dead last, I don't remember. It was still a lot of fun though, which is a big part of why I love the class - you can race against the best sailors in the world and still have a great time even from the back of the fleet.
Or an MG14
Hmm, I'll have to give those a try. We don't really have them around here, I guess I need to come to Australia sometime!