You can’t bring both chilwell and shaw- that’s common sense. Of course Branthwaite goes - was this recorded before he was called up? No Gomez mention? No Jones mention? Why are Phillips or Henderson in the team over Mainoo such poor logic. I like all u lot but please prepare for these vids
Bro I was thinking the exact same thing. He just says things and expect all of us to go along with it. Phil is good. But the best player in the Prem? He isn't even the best player in Man City
This is the squad that should go: GK: Jordan Pickford (Everton) Nick Pope (Newcastle) Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal) DEF: Kyle Walker (Man City) Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool) Kieran Trippier (Newcastle) John Stones (Man City) Harry Maguire (Man Utd) Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton) Luke Shaw (Man Utd) Joe Gomez (Liverpool) MID: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid) James Maddison (Spurs) Declan Rice (Arsenal) Conor Gallagher (Chelsea) Kobbie Mainoo (Man Utd) FWD: Harry Kane (Bayern Munich) Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa) Phil Foden (Man City) Bukayo Saka (Arsenal) Marcus Rashford (Man Utd) Cole Palmer (Chelsea) Jarrod Bowen (West Ham)
Tbh rather go Pickford Ramsdale Butland he’s got the most clean sheets for a England keeper this season don’t see why he can’t be the third keeper (Def) Walker White Colwil Shaw Maguire Stones Branthwaite Tomori Gomez (Midfield) Rice Bellingham Foden Mainoo Gallagher Maddison Palmer Trent (Attack) Saka Kane Watkins Rashford Bowen Toney
If my auntie had wheels she’d be a bike. Tbh tho I agree that he should be nowhere near. Gomez has been a better left back than chillwell this season and that’s not even an exaggeration at all. Chillwell is terrible now.
Rory incorrectly gets the squad size wrong, giving them an extra 3 players, and then insanely says they can only pick 7 defenders?!? Southgate picked 10 defenders when he had a 23 man squad in 2018.
@@Zero_Requiemhow can you be a bias fan and still not back Trent enough to play right back…? Solid option imo james won’t be fit, walker’s fitness is here and there and trippier should go as an option for left back.
Pickford Ramsdale Butland Trippier Walker Trent Stones Maguire Braithwaite White (since he doesn’t want to) then Konsa Shaw Gomes Bellingham Rice Maddison Gallagher Ward-Prowse Saka Palmer Kane Watkins Foden Gordon While Johnston Tomori Livramento Henderson Jones Bowen Rashford Toney Solanke would be my main backups 1/2 per position
Butland has saved Rangers a lot of points this season, but against the likes of Motherwell, Livingston etc. He's not been great when they play higher quality like in Europe or Celtic, even Aberdeen.
I wouldn't take ward prowse personally mainoo has way more quality in the ball but I'd swap him for another attacker and take rashford because I'd use trent as a midfielder
If I was the manager I wouldn't take Gallagher either doesn't suit international football I would rather have a guy who has more quality on the ball like mainoo or barkley or Jones
So, Mainoo needs experience to start in this tournament? How's he supposed to become experienced if he doesn't play? It's just like applying for a job... thanks for the reminder.
Grealish shouts in 2024. Guy will be the first man on Ryanair to Ibiza in the Summer. Getting nowhere near the squad over anyone. Palmer/Gordon at LW over Grealish any day. 😂
Gareth Southgate has won as many knockout games from 2018-2022 as England managers won 1968-2016. The guys talking as if he has achieved nothing. As much as Maguire has been bad for club he has been good for nation and sometimes u select such players. For eg- Klose got selected for 2014 world cup scoring 8 goals for club that season.
You need to apply context though; which top sides has he beaten in the knockout rounds? Only Germany springs to mind. As Rory has previously mentioned he has won 4 in 24 against top 10 teams. He has been fortunate with certain results (scraping past Colombia on penalties, losing to Belgium in the World Cup to give us an easier draw). Look at the teams that have knocked us out as well: the Croatia and Italy teams who we were a goal up against (and arguably France) are much weaker than the likes of the Portugal and Brazil sides that Eriksson went out to as an example.
@@JimmySands-pd7xt Firstly you can only defeat teams you face. He has an Euro final and World Cup semis in his name. So only Sir Alf Ramsey has been better than him. Before him the six knockouts win in the above mentioned period are Paraguay, Belgium, Cameroon, Ecuador, Denmark and Spain ( on penalties) England have crashed out to Iceland in the time period. Not to mention not being able to qualify for a few tournaments. Going out in the group stage multiple times like Euro 2000, 88, 92.
@@sauvikchakravorty7907 if you are basing success solely on how far he’s gone in tournaments then yes only Ramsey has been better, but I think that is a very limited view and like I said I think you need to apply context: At the World Cup in 2018 he lost 3 games, 2 vs Belgium and 1 vs Croatia (the only two half-decent teams we faced). He beat Sweden, Tunisia and Panama in 90 mins (3 teams we were much better than and expected to beat). In the round of 16, he had to rely on the lottery of penalties to beat a Colombia side we were expected to beat comfortably. Had he lost, the narrative behind Southgate would have been very different, but he won and received praise for winning our first shootout in a long time, despite the fact penalty shootouts have very little to do with managers and are down to the composure of the players. Any decent manager wouldn’t have let the game go down to the lottery of penalties. Overall Southgate blew the best chance we will ever have of reaching a second World Cup final, given the draw and the fact we were 1-0 up in the semis. At the 2020 euros he had one good result against Germany in the round of 16. All the other teams we were much stronger than and expected to beat. He once again blew a 1-0 lead, this time in the final to an average Italy team (they failed to qualify for the following World Cup). It was one of the most negative England performances I’ve ever seen, I don’t think we registered a shot on target in the second half. Southgate blew the best chance we will ever have of winning a major international tournament, given the fact that it was essentially a home tournament, the way the draw opened up and that we were 1-0 up in the final. In the 2022 World Cup he once again lost to the first decent team we came up against (despite this being the worst performance on paper of the tournaments under Southgate, I thought it was his most impressive as he went out to a much stronger side than previously and actually played much more positively). In the nations league he has a 3rd place finish (once again losing a knockout match to the first half-decent team we were up against), a 3rd place group finish and a relegation, which included a 0-4 home defeat to Hungary which has to go down as one of the worst England defeats in history. He is a very negative and safe manager whose first thought is how to stop the opposition rather than how to hurt the opponents with our quality attacking players. The worst example of this was at the euros when he played 5 defenders and 2 holding midfielders (only 3 attack-minded players). He has no previous managerial pedigree and has alienated the fanbase with his constant political gestures, boring tactics/team selections and uninspiring interviews.
@@JimmySands-pd7xt Firstly it's a result driven game so how far you go matters. Now if penalty is a lottery then the only notable win in knockout from 1968-2016 was a lottery against Spain. The rest are not big teams. Context is not being able to qualify for euros: 72, 76, 84, 2008. Group stage euro exit in: 80, 88, 92, 2000 Not qualifying for the world cup in 74,78, 94 Group stage exit in 2014 Second group stage exit in 1982 Also embarrassingly losing to Iceland in 2016. Now on approach every managers has different approach like possession for pep, gegenpress for klopp, pragmatic approach by simeone. It's about getting who gets the result. And in that case Southgate has been the second best manager only behind Sir Alf Ramsey. No other England manager gets a shout
@@kevinb9830say what you want but if rice gets injured you’ll need mainoo and a Gallagher/jones in your team. Also Joe Gomez is a great stylistic cover for stones and white if he ends up playing. Arguably better than colwill has been.
@@matthieudufourcq7873Jones isn't in the conversation as far as I'm concerned. I'd see an argument for Gomez but I'd still prefer a left footer like Colwill.
Everyone wants Foden to start in midfield even though hes shown nothing for England. Why can't Trent play in the midfield over Foden? Far more creative and a threat.
@@elmercadito0333 wanting good players that have lacked a huge role in a team fighting for multiple trophies to be recognised over washed up losers like Henderson and Pickford? Yeah so the average Liverpool fan is right then.
Curtis Jones is a much better player than Conor Gallagher. I really don't get why Jones is not being rated by English people, but I guess that's just the thing with Liverpool and being a scouser. Like, if a player like Trent doesn't even make the XI even though he's one of the best English players and probably the best ball player of all English players, that really says it all. Every other nation would take Trent in a heartbeat, and they'd even build their team around him, as he's young and has been world class since the age of 19. Ask Spain, Brazil, Germany and Portugal about Trent, and they'd all take him in their starting lineup. It's really on Southgate not making the team work with all that talent. For me, if England's starting lineup looked like this, they'd dominate so much more: Pickford (in lack of better keepers) Walker - Stones - Maguire/Gomez - Shaw Trent (8, playmaker) - Rice (6) - Jude (most advanced MF) Saka - Harry Kane - Foden/Gordon
For me the midfield 3 is Rice as the 6, Mainoo as the 8 and Bellingham in at 10. Bellingham is the best 10 in the world at the moment, Foden can play on the left and Saka on the right with kane through the middle. Pickford in goal, Back 4 of Shaw maguire stones walker. Maguire n stones have been so reliable for us. I would take Joe gomez as a utility defender, then Id take TAA, Konsa and Branthwaite, (Gomez can play Left back)
Good team. I would personally go for Walker ahead of Trent and maybe throw foden in, either for mainoo against weaker teams or on the left ahead of rashford (depending on the opposition and rashford’s form). Could also play Trent instead of mainoo and play either a 3-5-2 with Trent at rwb or a 4-3-3 with Trent in midfield depending on the match situation
Rory and Adam are 100% right about Maguire. Stop saying he’s never let England down, he’s had many a bad performance for the side and there are many better options than him because he is simply not good enough. He also has a massive mistake in him (which usually leads to a goal or good quality goal scoring chance) every 2 games.
The fact that Mount is even mentioned and Stones playing in midfield is even suggested is enough to completely disregard anything this panel says. Stones playing in midfield is not a cheat code. Stones playing in midfield UNDER PEP GUARDIOLA is a cheat code. And this is coming from a Real Madrid fan.
England doesn’t have a good centerback line up. But they din drop Gomez or Quansah names. These boys stepped up when Liverpool lost many key players to injuries. These two boys watch and learn from the best (VVD) on a daily basis.
The are missing the boat on Maguire... it's less about the mistakes he makes and more about that he can't play a high line. He's a good defender in a low block, winning aerials. He forces England to play a low block, but with the squad they have, they should be playing a high line.
@michaelgoldsmith9359 Why not? Man City does against PSG and they're 3W-1L-0D. They also play a high line against RM who have Vini. There are wingers in the prem that are about as fast as mbappe, and City (and now Arsenal) suffocates them with a high line, a high-intensity press, and enough speed to cover a through ball. England could have a starting XI of basically all City and Arsenal starters plus Jude and Kane.
23 man squad 3 minutes into the video and rory says its 26. no joke guys thats enough to make people click off the video and not watch it because you know this video is now inept if your choosing more players and losing crucial debates out…it acc pissed me off idk why. do better how does it pass editing that let alone how do u so called ‘ball knowledge experts’ not clock that between you guys
Palmer, Bowen, Mainoo, Toney, and Gordon are all class players. I wouldn't hesitate to give all game time at the Euros, especially with 5 subs available. I would NOT take Madison, Maguire, Gallagher or Chilwell as I don't consider them to be top class.
Dont care what happens England as Im not from there but if you want a proper balanced midfield then it would be Rice, Jones and Bellingham, Rice in the 6, Jones in the 8 and Bellingham playing more attacking like he does for Madrid, that gives so much more balance and control. Liverpool have been much better when Jones plays in the 8. Up front I would play Foden left wing, Saka right and Kane through the middle.
Rory saying he’ll back Southgate from now on, and going on to hate Southgate throughout 2 hours and 15 minutes of the live stream of the 2-2 Belgium game…😂😂😂
@@scotttocs mainoo is better than elliot you know that deep down your just a bitter scouser still crying about last weekend 🤣plus he plays deeper a area where england aren't strong
I'm a Liverpool fan, and even I think Elliott is pushing it. Everywhere he plays, England has so much better. He's certainly not making it into the midfield with how stacked it is, and who's he going in over on the right wing? Saka and Bowen are so much better at this moment in time.
@@DannyHodge95yea I definitely get that. That’s why I said “possible shouts”. I don’t think Elliott or Jones get in but their performances are worth a mention in this discussion, especially with who else they mentioned in the video. Gomez I think is pretty obvious with his performances and versatility.
@@SportsDude037 I completely agree that Gomez needs to be in this conversation as a starter, it's criminal that he's being left out of squads. Jones is a good squad option to consider, and should be mentioned. But I'm not sure Elliott is even at honourable mention levels yet. Not because he isn't great, but because most his experience is as a 10, and there's at least 5 better choices than him.
@@SportsDude037 I think jones absolutely should get in, I think he should start next to rice. He brings a level of control and defensive discipline that England don’t have otherwise. He’s a top player. Gomez should be in the squad for sure . Yeah Elliot probably doesn’t get in.
This has to be the funniest comment in this section Three half decent players that only play because Liverpool are riddled with injuries and suddenly they should be in the England team 😂
If your taking Rashford for pace why not take Gordon, has had a great season and he actually tracks back so gives bellingham the freedom to stay forward
Mason Mount , Jordan Henderson , Calvin Phillips ???? What are you guys smoking ? No Conor Gallagher or Curtis Jones ? Joe Gomez is the only English defender who gives you a CB , RB or LB option off the bench !
I couldn't believe they said that, assumed they must've been thinking it was Rice and laughed at the idea of putting him over Rodri, Salah, Haaland, De Bruyne, Odegaard, VVD, Saliba, Alisson... and then they said it was FODEN. And zero people on the entire panel even reacted, what a joke.
Not sure about the alternatives though. They are all very inexperienced at international level. Ideally you would want players to play most games in qualifying rather than throw them straight in at the tournament. I’m not sure the difference in ability between Maguire and other CBs outweighs the difference in experience Maguire has over them.
In what world does it make sense that an Irish fella on a video with English people talking about the England national team, made far more sense and better shouts than all the english people around him 😂😂😂
No curtis jones, no joe gomez, no gibbs-white, no tomori, no butland shows england is about comfort and not about challengin, look at these players stats and performances this season.
Has Maguire been bad for England? No, but he’s been nowhere NEAR good enough to be automatically selected. Another example to add to the list: him giving up a penalty against Germany.
What about Alfie Doughty at Left Wing Back? Look at the stats. He is far better than Chillwell. Luton Town are maybe not fashionable enough, even though they have scored more goals than Man Utd and most of them have been made by Doughty and Barkley.
I'm never going to understand this fixation on forcing Foden to play as a 10. Yes, it's his best position, but it's such a stacked position that him not playing there is inconsequential, and we have literally 0 in form left wingers. You have to balance the team composition, and we can't be having such a weak left wing. And again, Foden not playing as a 10 means either Maddison or Bellingham move there instead, so we lose nothing and gain so much.
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"Sam Johnstones a fantastic young keeper" - Buvey talking about a 31 year old man
“Sam Johnstone, he’s a fantastic young keeper” he’s 31
not old for a gk but not super young either
Hes not just 31, hes older than every keeper mentioned in the video🤣
Damn didn’t realise how weak these guys knowledge was. Some awful calls and misses here
You can’t bring both chilwell and shaw- that’s common sense. Of course Branthwaite goes - was this recorded before he was called up? No Gomez mention? No Jones mention? Why are Phillips or Henderson in the team over Mainoo such poor logic. I like all u lot but please prepare for these vids
They are very stoopid
If Mount is going, we may as take Sean Longstaff
Unintentionally a comedy show this.
Lost me a minute in when it was claimed Foden is the "best player in the premier league" 🙃
In what world is Phil Foden the best player in the Prem!? Another great take from Rory 😂
It's his new semi-defensible, ultimately stupid, controversial take that he can trot out for views when he does his media tours.
Bro I was thinking the exact same thing. He just says things and expect all of us to go along with it. Phil is good. But the best player in the Prem? He isn't even the best player in Man City
Not even the best English player in the Premier League.
This season hes up there
@@elliscox2179 Does that mean Ollie Watkins is the second best player in the Prem then?
This video is fucked 3 minutes in. It’s a 23 man squad not 26
Yeah shocking really isn’t it. Basic research lol.
@@JimmySands-pd7xt how does it get through editing!! hahaha
Absolute stinker. This is these guys’ job. Jokers
@@JimmySands-pd7xt The fact that no one questioned Rory was shocking too. Shows how much these guys know about Football 😅😅
Well, now this is awkward😂
This is the squad that should go:
GK:
Jordan Pickford (Everton)
Nick Pope (Newcastle)
Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal)
DEF:
Kyle Walker (Man City)
Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool)
Kieran Trippier (Newcastle)
John Stones (Man City)
Harry Maguire (Man Utd)
Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton)
Luke Shaw (Man Utd)
Joe Gomez (Liverpool)
MID:
Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid)
James Maddison (Spurs)
Declan Rice (Arsenal)
Conor Gallagher (Chelsea)
Kobbie Mainoo (Man Utd)
FWD:
Harry Kane (Bayern Munich)
Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)
Phil Foden (Man City)
Bukayo Saka (Arsenal)
Marcus Rashford (Man Utd)
Cole Palmer (Chelsea)
Jarrod Bowen (West Ham)
I'd agree on this tbh
Toney over Watkins, Tomori over Branthwaite - other than that bang on !!
In:
Konsa
Jones
Toney
Out:
Trippier
Gallagher
Watkins
Only changes id make to that more than likely.
I like this!
Tbh rather go
Pickford
Ramsdale
Butland he’s got the most clean sheets for a England keeper this season don’t see why he can’t be the third keeper
(Def)
Walker
White
Colwil
Shaw
Maguire
Stones
Branthwaite
Tomori
Gomez
(Midfield)
Rice
Bellingham
Foden
Mainoo
Gallagher
Maddison
Palmer
Trent
(Attack)
Saka
Kane
Watkins
Rashford
Bowen
Toney
Foden the best player in the Premier League??😂😂😂😂😂 wtf no this can’t be real
Absolutely insane that.
How did they let go that comment
Foden probably has the most Potential Talent. But currently Salah and De Bryne are the best
On form as a midfielder he is
definitely citys best player this season, arguably best itl. but if we take it overall and not just on this season theres 20+ players better
The best player in the prem is English?! Didn’t realise de bruyne, van dijk and salah were all English
And they get shocked when they go to a tournament and loose. They gas their players so much it’s crazy
Thought this too. Foden's brilliant, but he certainly isn't the best player in the league.
No, but halaand is English technically by birth and citizenship
@@mr-ov5gt I'm sure he will have a fantastic tour-
@@mr-ov5gtthat makes Harry Kane Irish then?😂
These videos are just so disorganised. So difficult to keep track of. Have some graphics, at least have them write some names on a white board.
If Chilwell was a RB he wouldn’t be anywhere near
But he’s not a right back 😂
Lol not sure what your point is … if Maguire was a rb he also wouldn’t be anywhere near
if Saka was a goal keeper ..
If my auntie had wheels she’d be a bike. Tbh tho I agree that he should be nowhere near. Gomez has been a better left back than chillwell this season and that’s not even an exaggeration at all. Chillwell is terrible now.
If Kane was a goalkeeper he wouldn't be anywhere near. What's your point?
GK:
Pickford
Johnstone
Ramsdale
DEF:
Walker
Alexander-Arnold
Stones
Branthwaite
Konsa
Maguire
Gomez
Shaw
MID:
Rice
Mainoo
Bellingham
Maddison
Gallagher
Foden
FWD:
Kane
Watkins
Saka
Palmer
Gordon
Grealish
Rory incorrectly gets the squad size wrong, giving them an extra 3 players, and then insanely says they can only pick 7 defenders?!? Southgate picked 10 defenders when he had a 23 man squad in 2018.
He's got the squad size right because they've changed it at the last minute
Did Rory really suggest that if Rice is injured we play a midfield of Maddison, Bellingham and Foden? 🤣
Why is that so funny.Those three are still class players
@@StuartRead-q5wmaybe because all 3 play as 10s?🤣
The discussion about playing Connor Gallagher as a lone #6 is complete insanity and shows that not one person at the table has ever watched him
Mainoo x Rice x Bellingham x Foden x Madders OUR BEST Midfield 5 options for England at the EROUS🏴👌
No
@@scotttocs shut up n don't comment on my post knob
@@scotttocswho is then
Rice Bellingham Trent Foden Maddison and Elliot
@@Zero_Requiemhow can you be a bias fan and still not back Trent enough to play right back…? Solid option imo james won’t be fit, walker’s fitness is here and there and trippier should go as an option for left back.
Pickford Ramsdale Butland
Trippier Walker Trent
Stones Maguire Braithwaite White (since he doesn’t want to) then Konsa
Shaw Gomes
Bellingham Rice Maddison Gallagher Ward-Prowse
Saka Palmer
Kane Watkins
Foden Gordon
While Johnston Tomori Livramento Henderson Jones Bowen Rashford Toney Solanke would be my main backups 1/2 per position
Butland has saved Rangers a lot of points this season, but against the likes of Motherwell, Livingston etc. He's not been great when they play higher quality like in Europe or Celtic, even Aberdeen.
I wouldn't take ward prowse personally mainoo has way more quality in the ball but I'd swap him for another attacker and take rashford because I'd use trent as a midfielder
If I was the manager I wouldn't take Gallagher either doesn't suit international football I would rather have a guy who has more quality on the ball like mainoo or barkley or Jones
Why does everyone think it’s 26 players. Its 23z
Trippier’s got the most assists in the league from right-back? Playing behind and alongside championship level players often this season. He’s elite.
Trippier is proper geordie shore lad, Engeland needs one of him in the team otherwise it aint right
No he's not. I've watched him for years the man is shit so incredibly overrated
He’s a shit version of Trent and always has been. Never understood the love in for him.
@@kin9_derp952 Shame you didn't have the tele on when you were doing your research mate.
And then he fell off
The fact Eze wasn't even mentioned is criminal
So, Mainoo needs experience to start in this tournament?
How's he supposed to become experienced if he doesn't play?
It's just like applying for a job... thanks for the reminder.
He waits. Players get older and retire and he plays. He's played 15 games for Manu ffs. Tomori is the real crime. Tomori stones should start at CB.
He doesn't if 10/11 of your starting side has champions league/international experience, he'll be totally fine.
Grealish shouts in 2024. Guy will be the first man on Ryanair to Ibiza in the Summer. Getting nowhere near the squad over anyone. Palmer/Gordon at LW over Grealish any day. 😂
Chilwell was terrible in the recent friendlies
Gareth Southgate has won as many knockout games from 2018-2022 as England managers won 1968-2016. The guys talking as if he has achieved nothing. As much as Maguire has been bad for club he has been good for nation and sometimes u select such players. For eg- Klose got selected for 2014 world cup scoring 8 goals for club that season.
You need to apply context though; which top sides has he beaten in the knockout rounds? Only Germany springs to mind. As Rory has previously mentioned he has won 4 in 24 against top 10 teams. He has been fortunate with certain results (scraping past Colombia on penalties, losing to Belgium in the World Cup to give us an easier draw). Look at the teams that have knocked us out as well: the Croatia and Italy teams who we were a goal up against (and arguably France) are much weaker than the likes of the Portugal and Brazil sides that Eriksson went out to as an example.
He hasn't beaten a team we weren't expected to beat yet.
@@JimmySands-pd7xt Firstly you can only defeat teams you face. He has an Euro final and World Cup semis in his name. So only Sir Alf Ramsey has been better than him. Before him the six knockouts win in the above mentioned period are Paraguay, Belgium, Cameroon, Ecuador, Denmark and Spain ( on penalties)
England have crashed out to Iceland in the time period.
Not to mention not being able to qualify for a few tournaments. Going out in the group stage multiple times like Euro 2000, 88, 92.
@@sauvikchakravorty7907 if you are basing success solely on how far he’s gone in tournaments then yes only Ramsey has been better, but I think that is a very limited view and like I said I think you need to apply context:
At the World Cup in 2018 he lost 3 games, 2 vs Belgium and 1 vs Croatia (the only two half-decent teams we faced). He beat Sweden, Tunisia and Panama in 90 mins (3 teams we were much better than and expected to beat).
In the round of 16, he had to rely on the lottery of penalties to beat a Colombia side we were expected to beat comfortably. Had he lost, the narrative behind Southgate would have been very different, but he won and received praise for winning our first shootout in a long time, despite the fact penalty shootouts have very little to do with managers and are down to the composure of the players. Any decent manager wouldn’t have let the game go down to the lottery of penalties.
Overall Southgate blew the best chance we will ever have of reaching a second World Cup final, given the draw and the fact we were 1-0 up in the semis.
At the 2020 euros he had one good result against Germany in the round of 16. All the other teams we were much stronger than and expected to beat. He once again blew a 1-0 lead, this time in the final to an average Italy team (they failed to qualify for the following World Cup). It was one of the most negative England performances I’ve ever seen, I don’t think we registered a shot on target in the second half.
Southgate blew the best chance we will ever have of winning a major international tournament, given the fact that it was essentially a home tournament, the way the draw opened up and that we were 1-0 up in the final.
In the 2022 World Cup he once again lost to the first decent team we came up against (despite this being the worst performance on paper of the tournaments under Southgate, I thought it was his most impressive as he went out to a much stronger side than previously and actually played much more positively).
In the nations league he has a 3rd place finish (once again losing a knockout match to the first half-decent team we were up against), a 3rd place group finish and a relegation, which included a 0-4 home defeat to Hungary which has to go down as one of the worst England defeats in history.
He is a very negative and safe manager whose first thought is how to stop the opposition rather than how to hurt the opponents with our quality attacking players. The worst example of this was at the euros when he played 5 defenders and 2 holding midfielders (only 3 attack-minded players).
He has no previous managerial pedigree and has alienated the fanbase with his constant political gestures, boring tactics/team selections and uninspiring interviews.
@@JimmySands-pd7xt Firstly it's a result driven game so how far you go matters. Now if penalty is a lottery then the only notable win in knockout from 1968-2016 was a lottery against Spain. The rest are not big teams.
Context is not being able to qualify for euros: 72, 76, 84, 2008.
Group stage euro exit in: 80, 88, 92, 2000
Not qualifying for the world cup in 74,78, 94
Group stage exit in 2014
Second group stage exit in 1982
Also embarrassingly losing to Iceland in 2016.
Now on approach every managers has different approach like possession for pep, gegenpress for klopp, pragmatic approach by simeone. It's about getting who gets the result. And in that case Southgate has been the second best manager only behind Sir Alf Ramsey. No other England manager gets a shout
No legion of Gomez or jones the Liverpool hate is real
Always the victims.
@@kevinb9830say what you want but if rice gets injured you’ll need mainoo and a Gallagher/jones in your team. Also Joe Gomez is a great stylistic cover for stones and white if he ends up playing. Arguably better than colwill has been.
@@matthieudufourcq7873Jones isn't in the conversation as far as I'm concerned. I'd see an argument for Gomez but I'd still prefer a left footer like Colwill.
@matthieudufourcq7873 why do you need mainoo in the team though? That is an AM for a DM. I would bring in Elliot who is far better as an AM.
@@kevinb9830 being a starter most of the season for a team in the title race isn't good enough to be in the conversation for you?
Everyone wants Foden to start in midfield even though hes shown nothing for England. Why can't Trent play in the midfield over Foden? Far more creative and a threat.
He’s a better rb
@@Deathmare235 Trent can't defend to save his life, stick him in midfield or bench him.
This logic could be applied to TAA.
None of them mentioned Gomez, no ball knowledge
Or jones lol
You and your ball knowledge 😂😂
Average Liverpool fan lol
@@johannespitkamaki1369 they have none
@@elmercadito0333 wanting good players that have lacked a huge role in a team fighting for multiple trophies to be recognised over washed up losers like Henderson and Pickford? Yeah so the average Liverpool fan is right then.
Curtis Jones is a much better player than Conor Gallagher. I really don't get why Jones is not being rated by English people, but I guess that's just the thing with Liverpool and being a scouser. Like, if a player like Trent doesn't even make the XI even though he's one of the best English players and probably the best ball player of all English players, that really says it all. Every other nation would take Trent in a heartbeat, and they'd even build their team around him, as he's young and has been world class since the age of 19.
Ask Spain, Brazil, Germany and Portugal about Trent, and they'd all take him in their starting lineup. It's really on Southgate not making the team work with all that talent. For me, if England's starting lineup looked like this, they'd dominate so much more:
Pickford (in lack of better keepers)
Walker - Stones - Maguire/Gomez - Shaw
Trent (8, playmaker) - Rice (6) - Jude (most advanced MF)
Saka - Harry Kane - Foden/Gordon
My 23 man squad:
Pickford
Ramsdale
Johnstone
Trent
Walker
Konsa
Stones
Maguire
Branthwaite
Gomez
Shaw
Rice
Mainoo
Bellingham
Foden
Maddison
Gallagher
Palmer
Saka
Gordon
Rashford
Watkins
Kane
The bar behind makes it look like the boys are debating in the house of commons 😂
Callum Wilson even gets a cursory mention but nothing for Solanke? Arguably the best English striker in the league? Good god 😂
For me the midfield 3 is Rice as the 6, Mainoo as the 8 and Bellingham in at 10. Bellingham is the best 10 in the world at the moment, Foden can play on the left and Saka on the right with kane through the middle. Pickford in goal, Back 4 of Shaw maguire stones walker. Maguire n stones have been so reliable for us. I would take Joe gomez as a utility defender, then Id take TAA, Konsa and Branthwaite, (Gomez can play Left back)
Everyone's talking over one another. Unwatchable
MAINOO IS CLEAR OF THEM ALL
You should decide if you are guessing who will Southgate take or if you are deciding as fans who should go and vote on it
The undeniable best starting XI:
Ramsdale;
Alexander-Arnold
Stones
Maguire
Shaw;
Bellingham
Rice
Mainoo;
Saka
Kane
Rashford
Idk about Harry Maguire tbh, but this mostly looks good. What options do we have at CB?
No
Good team. I would personally go for Walker ahead of Trent and maybe throw foden in, either for mainoo against weaker teams or on the left ahead of rashford (depending on the opposition and rashford’s form). Could also play Trent instead of mainoo and play either a 3-5-2 with Trent at rwb or a 4-3-3 with Trent in midfield depending on the match situation
Rory and Adam are 100% right about Maguire. Stop saying he’s never let England down, he’s had many a bad performance for the side and there are many better options than him because he is simply not good enough. He also has a massive mistake in him (which usually leads to a goal or good quality goal scoring chance) every 2 games.
The fact that Mount is even mentioned and Stones playing in midfield is even suggested is enough to completely disregard anything this panel says. Stones playing in midfield is not a cheat code. Stones playing in midfield UNDER PEP GUARDIOLA is a cheat code. And this is coming from a Real Madrid fan.
Pickford
Walker
Stones
Jared
Anyone
Rice
Mainoo
Bellingham
Saka/Foden/Palmer
Kane
Rashford/Gordon or shoe-horn Maddison, Foden in there.
England doesn’t have a good centerback line up. But they din drop Gomez or Quansah names. These boys stepped up when Liverpool lost many key players to injuries. These two boys watch and learn from the best (VVD) on a daily basis.
The are missing the boat on Maguire... it's less about the mistakes he makes and more about that he can't play a high line. He's a good defender in a low block, winning aerials. He forces England to play a low block, but with the squad they have, they should be playing a high line.
Not gonna play a high line Vs mbappe in international football.
@michaelgoldsmith9359 Why not? Man City does against PSG and they're 3W-1L-0D. They also play a high line against RM who have Vini. There are wingers in the prem that are about as fast as mbappe, and City (and now Arsenal) suffocates them with a high line, a high-intensity press, and enough speed to cover a through ball. England could have a starting XI of basically all City and Arsenal starters plus Jude and Kane.
Pickford
Ramsdale
Butland
Walker
Trent
Stones
Maguire
Braithwaite
Gomez
Shaw
Konsa
Bellingham
Rice
Maddison
Foden
Saka
Kane
Rashford
Watkins
Palmer
Gallagher
Maino
Gordon
23 man squad 3 minutes into the video and rory says its 26. no joke guys thats enough to make people click off the video and not watch it because you know this video is now inept if your choosing more players and losing crucial debates out…it acc pissed me off idk why. do better how does it pass editing that let alone how do u so called ‘ball knowledge experts’ not clock that between you guys
Really wish they filmed this after the England games
Trippier has joint most assists in the league what do you mean he’s not playing good?
Liverpool don't exist apparently. Gomez, Jones, Elliot.. Players like Elliot and Jones with Bellingham, Foden, Trent, Rice and Saka is a great.
Foden the best player? Based off what, Rory does just say things to fit his narrative at the time haha
Palmer, Bowen, Mainoo, Toney, and Gordon are all class players.
I wouldn't hesitate to give all game time at the Euros, especially with 5 subs available.
I would NOT take Madison, Maguire, Gallagher or Chilwell as I don't consider them to be top class.
How can you not mention Anthony Gordon 😂
Adam knows. Toney >> Watkins
Anyone who thinks Foden is even a top 5 player in the Premier League is utterly deluded.
Isn't it 23 man squads this Euros?
Dont care what happens England as Im not from there but if you want a proper balanced midfield then it would be Rice, Jones and Bellingham, Rice in the 6, Jones in the 8 and Bellingham playing more attacking like he does for Madrid, that gives so much more balance and control. Liverpool have been much better when Jones plays in the 8.
Up front I would play Foden left wing, Saka right and Kane through the middle.
I don't watch Premier league that much but even I am gobsmacked by some of the picks you guys come up with even lower than Southgate level.
Phil Foden is a system midfielder. 33 Caps for England. 4 Goals. He's not it.
Honestly think Rashford, Saka, Maddison & Trent all start over Foden in attack and midfield.
You're on drugs. Rashford? Watch football and get off social media.
Sam Johnstone? Fantastic young keeper? 31 year old Sam Johnstone? Is there another one I don’t know about
Rashford should be nowhere near this team.
you know nothing i assume you think foden and saka should start on the wings haha,
Kane needs pace around him
I think kobbie had an impressive first 2 games despite the results
Konsa has done more than enough and provides cover for right back
Southgate hasn't done badly to get England to the final of the Euros, and semis of the WC, although he's not the most creative Manager.
Rory has an incredible skill of chatting absolute rubbish with complete confidence
I’m here after Rory’s recent SOUTHGATE OUT! video 😂
WTF!! Phillips over Loftus-Cheek?? 🤦♂️
Rory saying he’ll back Southgate from now on, and going on to hate Southgate throughout 2 hours and 15 minutes of the live stream of the 2-2 Belgium game…😂😂😂
16.30 Rory's favorite player was Mason Mount for 3 years and now he think he is rubbish. He changes his opinion everyday😂😂😂
Pickford, Pope, Johnstone
Walker, Shaw, Chilwell, James
Maguire, Stones, Colwill, Guéhi
Rice, Gallagher, TAA
Bellingham, Foden, Saka, Elliot, Rashford, Palmer
Kane, Watkins
Maddison/Jones/Gordon/Grealish(I would over Rashford)/Toney/Wilson
Elliot your a Liverpool fan aren't you😂
@aaronking2369 indeed but he is a good squad player and has a proven record unlike Mainoo for example.
@@scotttocs mainoo is better than elliot you know that deep down your just a bitter scouser still crying about last weekend 🤣plus he plays deeper a area where england aren't strong
No Gomez, Curtis Jones, or Harvey Elliott even as a possible shout is insane.
I'm a Liverpool fan, and even I think Elliott is pushing it. Everywhere he plays, England has so much better. He's certainly not making it into the midfield with how stacked it is, and who's he going in over on the right wing? Saka and Bowen are so much better at this moment in time.
@@DannyHodge95yea I definitely get that. That’s why I said “possible shouts”. I don’t think Elliott or Jones get in but their performances are worth a mention in this discussion, especially with who else they mentioned in the video. Gomez I think is pretty obvious with his performances and versatility.
@@SportsDude037 I completely agree that Gomez needs to be in this conversation as a starter, it's criminal that he's being left out of squads. Jones is a good squad option to consider, and should be mentioned.
But I'm not sure Elliott is even at honourable mention levels yet. Not because he isn't great, but because most his experience is as a 10, and there's at least 5 better choices than him.
@@SportsDude037 I think jones absolutely should get in, I think he should start next to rice. He brings a level of control and defensive discipline that England don’t have otherwise. He’s a top player. Gomez should be in the squad for sure . Yeah Elliot probably doesn’t get in.
This has to be the funniest comment in this section
Three half decent players that only play because Liverpool are riddled with injuries and suddenly they should be in the England team 😂
If your taking Rashford for pace why not take Gordon, has had a great season and he actually tracks back so gives bellingham the freedom to stay forward
24 hrs later Rory made a video saying sack Southgate lmao
Mason Mount , Jordan Henderson , Calvin Phillips ???? What are you guys smoking ? No Conor Gallagher or Curtis Jones ? Joe Gomez is the only English defender who gives you a CB , RB or LB option off the bench !
Joe Gomez? He’s been outstanding this year abs he can play a number of positions?
sam johnstone is a fantastic 31 year old young keeper
The best player in the Premier League is definitely not english
I couldn't believe they said that, assumed they must've been thinking it was Rice and laughed at the idea of putting him over Rodri, Salah, Haaland, De Bruyne, Odegaard, VVD, Saliba, Alisson... and then they said it was FODEN. And zero people on the entire panel even reacted, what a joke.
foden is clear one of the best players this season. the fcity are close to a title race when haaland and KDB have been injured is him. @@skseanknight
@@skseanknighthalaand is technically English
@@mr-ov5gt Cool, Southgate will definitely be picking him then
Unfortunately none of the elite players are defenders, and it's the defence that is England's biggest problem.
I’m glad I bought these ear plugs that I can easily put in the millisecond buvey opens his mouth
😂
Mainoo goes, and probably starts. He is a special player.
Maguire should be no where near the team
Guess we need him just for the backup though he shouldn’t start every game
Not sure about the alternatives though. They are all very inexperienced at international level.
Ideally you would want players to play most games in qualifying rather than throw them straight in at the tournament.
I’m not sure the difference in ability between Maguire and other CBs outweighs the difference in experience Maguire has over them.
He shouldn't be but Southgate will probably make him assistant manager
@@JimmySands-pd7xt people mention inexperienced. How are they meant to be experienced if they’re not allowed to play because they’re inexperienced 😂😂
You should've recorded this after the friendlies
In what world does it make sense that an Irish fella on a video with English people talking about the England national team, made far more sense and better shouts than all the english people around him 😂😂😂
Hate to break it to you. It's 23. 26 players was an increase for COVID.
I liked the bit where one of them talked over the other
how foden gets labelled as the best prem player is beyond me. he’s never done shit for england.
These guys made southgate look good...
No curtis jones, no joe gomez, no gibbs-white, no tomori, no butland shows england is about comfort and not about challengin, look at these players stats and performances this season.
Why does nobody mention Harvey Elliot as an option?
The way they are suckin grealish to start is crazy! What in the actual fuck
Lol no mention of Curtis Jones, Joe Gomez or Ward Prowse
Does rory understand what a holding midfielder is? 😂 gallagher or maddison as a 6 is laughable
Can’t believe there was no outrage at the suggestion of Gallagher as a lone DM if Rice is injured 😂
Has Maguire been bad for England? No, but he’s been nowhere NEAR good enough to be automatically selected. Another example to add to the list: him giving up a penalty against Germany.
After the man of the match performance yesterday some of these takes on Mainoo have aged like milk
Kalvin phillips who can’t start for west ham is preferred over an inform mainoo? Wtf are they even on about
Adam spot on about Maguire. Time to get him out the squad. Stones, Tomori, Colwill, White, Konsa.
colwill is rubbish
Ben White isn’t going to the Euros, Branthwaite fits better anyways as another left-footer to deputise for Colwill
Maguire has been englands best defender in the past three tournaments. Also, did you really just mention colwill and tomori lol😂😂😂😂😂
What about Alfie Doughty at Left Wing Back? Look at the stats. He is far better than Chillwell. Luton Town are maybe not fashionable enough, even though they have scored more goals than Man Utd and most of them have been made by Doughty and Barkley.
Lol Rory thinks you could play a midfield three out of Bellingham Maddison, foden and Gallagher (four no.10s)
That K league joke is underrated
Haven't watched it but guessing Rory puts in Gallagher, Sterling & Palmer
The best person at bullshitting is Rory.
I'm never going to understand this fixation on forcing Foden to play as a 10. Yes, it's his best position, but it's such a stacked position that him not playing there is inconsequential, and we have literally 0 in form left wingers. You have to balance the team composition, and we can't be having such a weak left wing. And again, Foden not playing as a 10 means either Maddison or Bellingham move there instead, so we lose nothing and gain so much.