I mean, the airplane is overpowered and can carry 147 tonnes of jet fuel and seat around 350 pax and have cargo room left over, reduce the range a bit and you can fit more passengers
The high passenger capacity probably reduces the useable cargo capacity - not volumetrically but in weight. In the end, it's the same MTOW for each variant, regardless of the cabin configuration.
Though, it can very well be worse in a UAL (or other) economy seat. It all depends on the room allocated for each cabin and, thus, the seat pitch. A single class 400 seater could be more comfortable than a 3-class 350 seater (for economy passengers, duh). I've only tried the Air France long-haul domestic seat configuration or "COI" (for Caribbean Indian Ocean in French), the cattle class. Not the other high density 777's, only major international ones. If I recall correctly, the Air France COI ones have economy, premium economy, and business. On these routes there are some pretty packed planes, and there were 747's with 580 seats. I think Japan and France had the highest density 747's and 777's for domestic routes.
1:29 I was also thinking of Hajj flights but the Hajj period was around june, not october, but even after Hajj, Makkah is always packed with pilgrims doing Umrah
saudia has some crazy packed 777.i have never been on them......but i have travelled on other saudia 777 though.only on the 333 layout though.i have yet to see a 3 4 3 though.
3:57 I flew on TC-LKB and TC-LKF Turkish airlines was gonna deliver them to indigo but since their partnership is gonna end soon they kept it and I got to fly on these beatiful B777s from Istanbul to Antalya
Comparable to French bee A350-1000 w/ 480 seats .....if configured in all-economy, A35K would seat for 520 in 3-4-3 abreast .....BTW, Lion A330-900neo has 436 seats in 3-3-3 configuration
Your second statement is only theoretically true. While you could fit 520seats, you’re not allowed to fly in that configuration. The certified limit is 480
This reminds me of the 580 seat 747's on French long haul domestic flights to overseas departments. Whether they were / are Corsair, Air France, Air Caraïbes, French Bee, or Air Austral, the planes on these routes tend to have a higher density. Especially the 3 iconic Corsair 747's with SEA, SEX, and SUN regs. Locals often complained that the planes between the mainland and their islands are less comfortable than on international transatlantic flights, despite the ticket ptices not being particularly cheap, even though they are domestic flights. All the classes used to be substantially downgraded versions of the international ones, but this improved noticeably in the past few years.
I flew on Saudia Airlines from Jeddah to Dhaka yesterday (seems that aircraft is under Air Atlanta), and it was brutaaal to say the least with 492 pax! Inflight entertainment is available on your own device, which I didnt know before boarding. Then as people brought extra cabine baggages, so the crew took a lot of them to cargo and there my bag went away with my headphones (so no IDE for 6 hours). Food was decent, service was nice too by the crews, but then no water in the lavatory I went. The aircraft being 19 years old I understand overall the experience would be underwhelming, but didnt see it coming this bad :(
Have been on ANA 514-seat 773 flying from HND to CTS. Very fortunate that the Saturday 7am flight I was on only had about 50 passengers! I had a whole row (I mean all 10 seats in my row) to me.
Actually less ridiculous as those airplanes are derated meaning their engine power is electronically limited and it doesn’t have to comply to etops regulations which saves weight
@@davidajayi1207 There is 750km of ocean between Kagoshima and Okinawa, a distance that can be covered in less than an hour but still a sizeable amount of flying over the ocean, far from airports. While searching this, I learnt there is somehow a 'road' from Kagoshima to Okinawa of which 639 km is above the ocean.
I have flown on the Mavi Gök 777 in Octobre 2023 from Hannover to Antalya. Back then, it still had the virgin australia cabin layout with much more than 7 Business class seats and even premium economy. Does anyone know if it has been reconfigured?
Wait till there is a serious emergency and people can't get out. Any 777 with 10 across seating is a no-go for me. Elbows and shoulders rubbing together on a 12 hour night flight is insane. Same with 787s. Next January, I will be flying economy on SIA 777 ER, which still has the correct 9 across seating.
@davidajayi1207 I still wouldn't like to be on board during such an incident. Those tests use people who cooperate with instructions, when there is no threat to their lives. They also don't try to take hand luggage with them, slowing down the exit. Imagine the insane pandemonium if there was smoke involved or at night. Bad enough on any aircraft but with nearly double the density of what the 777 was originally designed for, it's a potential nightmare when it doesn't have to be.
Surprisingly 550 seats is the most number of seats a 777 can handle in a single-class configuration. In a three class configuration it is 451 seats (first+biz+eco).
There’s a 777-200 operated by the American charter carrier Eastern Airlines registered N825KW that operates all economy high density seating. Pretty sure it seats 530.
The two things are related actually: more people means a lot more weight so less weight can be allocated for cargo, as the maxim weigh that a plane can carry (MTOW) is fixed. So there's a real need for people to travel "light", with lighter luggages. and to disincentivize people from carrying heavy luggages they impose higher fees
Southwind Airlines is not a Russian airline, but a Turkish one. However, there are indications that the airline is mainly controlled from Russia in order to circumvent the embargo. As a result, the airline has not been allowed to fly to Europe or use European airspace since March 28, 2024.
Turkish airlines Boeing 777 531 seats aircraft flown for IndiGo is coming to an end on 14th November 2024. This aircrafts won't be used anymore instead IndiGo will use its own narrow body Airbus A321neos.
additional no. of seats is not a solution for compensating slim margins with more number of seats . . . it's time IATA regulate the maximum no of passengers airlines can carry in respect to the type of aircraft being operated by the carrier . . . regardless of whether it's a full service carrier or a low-cost budget carrier . . . ideal seating configuration on the B777-300 ER should be no more than 356 - 384 seats in a typical 3-class layout . . . the global commercial air travel industry is ruining itself gradually & they're totally oblivious to it . . . most people will disagree but dense seating configuration is actually a safety risk lurking around our sense of complacency & logic . . .
its sur they put 10 seat in a row before was 9 i flew whit Air Canada to Paris its terrible its 16 inches inside the seat before that was 18 and im not a big guy
I shall avoid, as much as possible, flying such aircrafts and airlines. The problem is not only being crammed in the aircraft but all the facilities at the airports, e.g. waiting rooms with no enough seats for waiting passengers ! Particularly when flights are delayed and you have to wait 1-1/2 hour standing !🤔
These airlines are where cheapness is required. Southwind, Go Türkie are made for tourists from Poland or Russia flying to Turkey all inclusive. These are the cheapest vacations in the region and require the transportation to be as cheap as possible. The flight times are like 3 hrs or so at most.
The Indigo B777s out there are one of the worst by far. They are frequently delayed and have a lot of issues when it comes to booking passengers on those flights!
The 777-300 is used for shorthaul flights which might allow for a high density seat configuration. But the 777-300ER for longhaul routes with 10 seats in a row should be forbidden, 10 seats is only possible in a A380 or 747 on longer routes, anything else is in conflict with UN human rights and should not be legal.😡😡😡😡😡
@MrSchwabentier Far right authoritarian leaders let only a few companies survive as large corporations run by their faithful. Then, such faithfuls replace innovative engineers with profiteers who would compromise quality over quantity. Reagan-Thetcher doctorined helped only corporations to survive that killed competition. A typical example is Boeing, being run by McDonnel Doughlas people, doing same practices that killed McDD. But since Boeing is a Hobson choice, it acts like a monopolist who is least concerned with pax comfort by profit. That's what fascism is doing in each sector, including the auto industry, by imposing EVs on public.
this channel loves its high density 777.........
This channel is simply pointing out reality. What is wrong with that?
@@thetruthbehindplanes Let's you know what to avoid.
when did i say it was a bad thing?
Aren't you the guy who defends boeing?
@@Germanlepoard2a7v and whats wrong with that?
Some of these 777s carry more passengers than many airlines' A380!
Damn i never knew a 777 can seat 500+ passagers 😮 wow thats 747 numbers
You can bet they had to remove a galley and washrooms for those extra rows of seats.
@@roberthowell7095 😂
The 777X can carry 625 at full capacity
@@Racko. (ryanair)
Random fact, but an airliner’s max capacity is not limited by size but rather by number of doors the aircraft has.
The 777 always looks amazing lot smaller than it really is. But when you really get a good look, you finally understand how gigantic this plane is!
What really amazes me is that the GE90s have no problem flying the 773s even at full capacity
I mean, the airplane is overpowered and can carry 147 tonnes of jet fuel and seat around 350 pax and have cargo room left over, reduce the range a bit and you can fit more passengers
A B773 is a Boeing 777-300 (non ER) and A B77W is a Boeing 777-300ER
The high passenger capacity probably reduces the useable cargo capacity - not volumetrically but in weight. In the end, it's the same MTOW for each variant, regardless of the cabin configuration.
@@MaliBaco Yeah, I figured a high-pax capacity 777 would come with cargo/luggage weight limits
The highest density 777-300 here (non ER) searing 550 plus is powered by Rolls Royce engines. 👍
These numbers are wild. I thought the UAL 300ERs were mad for having 350 passenger capacities.
This will give them some ideas
Shh. Don't give them ideas!
Though, it can very well be worse in a UAL (or other) economy seat.
It all depends on the room allocated for each cabin and, thus, the seat pitch.
A single class 400 seater could be more comfortable than a 3-class 350 seater (for economy passengers, duh).
I've only tried the Air France long-haul domestic seat configuration or "COI" (for Caribbean Indian Ocean in French), the cattle class. Not the other high density 777's, only major international ones.
If I recall correctly, the Air France COI ones have economy, premium economy, and business.
On these routes there are some pretty packed planes, and there were 747's with 580 seats.
I think Japan and France had the highest density 747's and 777's for domestic routes.
1:29 I was also thinking of Hajj flights but the Hajj period was around june, not october, but even after Hajj, Makkah is always packed with pilgrims doing Umrah
saudia has some crazy packed 777.i have never been on them......but i have travelled on other saudia 777 though.only on the 333 layout though.i have yet to see a 3 4 3 though.
I've never heard of Air Atlanta Europe until now.
That's madness some of these aircraft. Surprised they haven't fitted seats to the wings.
Don't give them any ideas lol
I was about to say the same lol
@@juliogonzo2718
Another great video as always!
3:57 I flew on TC-LKB and TC-LKF Turkish airlines was gonna deliver them to indigo but since their partnership is gonna end soon they kept it and I got to fly on these beatiful B777s from Istanbul to Antalya
550 seats on 777 is already higher then some A380s!
The highest capacity I ever flown with 777 was having 413 seats so it’s way below of the list
550 seats on a 777 is however way less comfy than 550 on an A380
If they are cramming that many seats into these jets, economy seating must be crushingly tight.
Comparable to French bee A350-1000 w/ 480 seats
.....if configured in all-economy, A35K would seat for 520 in 3-4-3 abreast
.....BTW, Lion A330-900neo has 436 seats in 3-3-3 configuration
Rather have B777.
There are not any eight 350s configured 343 currently
@@jasongould04 French bee and Air Caraïbes would beg to differ
Your second statement is only theoretically true. While you could fit 520seats, you’re not allowed to fly in that configuration. The certified limit is 480
This reminds me of the 580 seat 747's on French long haul domestic flights to overseas departments.
Whether they were / are Corsair, Air France, Air Caraïbes, French Bee, or Air Austral, the planes on these routes tend to have a higher density.
Especially the 3 iconic Corsair 747's with SEA, SEX, and SUN regs.
Locals often complained that the planes between the mainland and their islands are less comfortable than on international transatlantic flights, despite the ticket ptices not being particularly cheap, even though they are domestic flights.
All the classes used to be substantially downgraded versions of the international ones, but this improved noticeably in the past few years.
If you make a high capacity Airbus A-330 video, I bet Cebu Pacific will be in the list.
US Bangla airways also owns some former CEB A333 for the JED-DAK route
@@KyoushaPumpItUp And Airasia
us bangla airways also has a huge list
I flew on Saudia Airlines from Jeddah to Dhaka yesterday (seems that aircraft is under Air Atlanta), and it was brutaaal to say the least with 492 pax! Inflight entertainment is available on your own device, which I didnt know before boarding. Then as people brought extra cabine baggages, so the crew took a lot of them to cargo and there my bag went away with my headphones (so no IDE for 6 hours). Food was decent, service was nice too by the crews, but then no water in the lavatory I went. The aircraft being 19 years old I understand overall the experience would be underwhelming, but didnt see it coming this bad :(
how was the seats compared to a regular 777 or other planes
Have been on ANA 514-seat 773 flying from HND to CTS. Very fortunate that the Saturday 7am flight I was on only had about 50 passengers! I had a whole row (I mean all 10 seats in my row) to me.
At my airline we have 320 seats in the B77W, so hearing that some airlines pack well over 500 is just unbelievable
I used to build those when I worked up at the Everett plant for Boeing and I flew on one of those when I went to Hajj and Umrah
We'll wait until 777-9X with this capacity
Let’s not forget the ANA entry flies domestically which makes it even more ridiculous
Actually less ridiculous as those airplanes are derated meaning their engine power is electronically limited and it doesn’t have to comply to etops regulations which saves weight
@@davidajayi1207 There is 750km of ocean between Kagoshima and Okinawa, a distance that can be covered in less than an hour but still a sizeable amount of flying over the ocean, far from airports. While searching this, I learnt there is somehow a 'road' from Kagoshima to Okinawa of which 639 km is above the ocean.
I have flown on the Mavi Gök 777 in Octobre 2023 from Hannover to Antalya. Back then, it still had the virgin australia cabin layout with much more than 7 Business class seats and even premium economy. Does anyone know if it has been reconfigured?
Cant find that seat configuration for Turkey's
I've never heard of Air Atlanta before, is it based in Atlanta, GA
High-density 777s are great and all, but I'm more amazed at how this TTS-sounding narrator manages to pronounce many of the names correctly 💬😮
Ekaterinburg was botched HARD though.
I believe that Air Canada's 777 have more seats than there old 747 .s from years ago
Very interesting! What about the other airliners, especially the quads.
I have never been on these Plains or out off Australia 🇦🇺
550 is crazy
Those aircraft would be perfect on the AYT/DLM - UK routes such as LGW and MAN in the summer.
Surpassing indigo's 777 capacity?🤔🤔
Wait till there is a serious emergency and people can't get out. Any 777 with 10 across seating is a no-go for me. Elbows and shoulders rubbing together on a 12 hour night flight is insane. Same with 787s. Next January, I will be flying economy on SIA 777 ER, which still has the correct 9 across seating.
You do know that the exit limit of 550 is certified by the FAA and EASA
@davidajayi1207 I still wouldn't like to be on board during such an incident. Those tests use people who cooperate with instructions, when there is no threat to their lives. They also don't try to take hand luggage with them, slowing down the exit. Imagine the insane pandemonium if there was smoke involved or at night. Bad enough on any aircraft but with nearly double the density of what the 777 was originally designed for, it's a potential nightmare when it doesn't have to be.
@@stephanguitar9778 "I wouldn't like to..." STFU. Who asked?
Stunning.
Surprisingly 550 seats is the most number of seats a 777 can handle in a single-class configuration. In a three class configuration it is 451 seats (first+biz+eco).
some airlines wont have first
some airlines might not even have buisness or premium economy
There’s a 777-200 operated by the American charter carrier Eastern Airlines registered N825KW that operates all economy high density seating. Pretty sure it seats 530.
The limit on the -200 is 440 seats
Yes, these are also the same carriers that charge more for luggage based on weight, but yet no problem to have 50 extra 200lb people in there
The two things are related actually: more people means a lot more weight so less weight can be allocated for cargo, as the maxim weigh that a plane can carry (MTOW) is fixed. So there's a real need for people to travel "light", with lighter luggages. and to disincentivize people from carrying heavy luggages they impose higher fees
Air indigo also has 531 seats for the 777
I’ve never taken any B777 so far , except on MSFS
I wouldn't want to be in an evacuation of one of these.
550 seats on a 777 is insane
Almost A380😅
a380 fits 853........
@ yes but no plane are that full. 570 max
30 years of Boeing 777 in 2024.
long live the 777!
Southwind Airlines is not a Russian airline, but a Turkish one. However, there are indications that the airline is mainly controlled from Russia in order to circumvent the embargo. As a result, the airline has not been allowed to fly to Europe or use European airspace since March 28, 2024.
It is registered in Turkey, but is subsidiary of the Russian package tour operator Pegas Touristic.
I think I’m the only one who pronounces it “Seven-Seventy-Seven” instead of the Triple Seven. I don’t even know why I do it…lol
Southwind "parked" = can no longer be maintained due to sanctions would be my guess.
550 is the exit limit for 77w
I thought 450 was a squeeze but 550, thats too many.
Saudia use 520 passanger include business and econmy
Emirates has a practice of cramming a lot of people in economy n9 room very cramp
@jamiesworld1690 I won't fly on their 777s any longer than 3 or 4 hour flight.
Russian airline with 777s registered in Turkey. Цiкаво.
The Non ER 777-300s are powered by Rolls Royce Engines. So the highest density 777 is a RR powered bird!
Sardine cans with wings.
if you call the great 777 a sardine can.......
@AbdullahNajib-b9z
A Boeing 777 configured with 500 or more passengers *is* a sardine can with wings. If you don't like my opinion too fugging bad!
@AbdullahNajib-b9z
I just *did* call a Boeing 777 configured to carry 500+ passengers a sardine can with wings. What about it?
@@freedomforever6718 the 777 is the greatest aircraft to date,and you call it a sardine can?
@@thetruthbehindplanes
How many times do I have to repeat myself until you understand what I said?
All So can say is, “OUCH”
Turkish airlines Boeing 777 531 seats aircraft flown for IndiGo is coming to an end on 14th November 2024. This aircrafts won't be used anymore instead IndiGo will use its own narrow body Airbus A321neos.
China Air LAX-PEK LA to Beijing is still using an ancient B777 that's 10 wide. Probably the worst flights I had in recent memory.
additional no. of seats is not a solution for compensating slim margins with more number of seats . . . it's time IATA regulate the maximum no of passengers airlines can carry in respect to the type of aircraft being operated by the carrier . . . regardless of whether it's a full service carrier or a low-cost budget carrier . . . ideal seating configuration on the B777-300 ER should be no more than 356 - 384 seats in a typical 3-class layout . . . the global commercial air travel industry is ruining itself gradually & they're totally oblivious to it . . . most people will disagree but dense seating configuration is actually a safety risk lurking around our sense of complacency & logic . . .
Why is this not banned by the Geneva Convention???
Some of those Turkish owned are previously Russian owned
Rajeshs choice to immigrate out of India. Highs density 777s
its sur they put 10 seat in a row before was 9 i flew whit Air Canada to Paris its terrible its 16 inches inside the seat before that was 18 and im not a big guy
I shall avoid, as much as possible, flying such aircrafts and airlines.
The problem is not only being crammed in the aircraft but all the facilities at the airports, e.g. waiting rooms with no enough seats for waiting passengers !
Particularly when flights are delayed and you have to wait 1-1/2 hour standing !🤔
These airlines are where cheapness is required. Southwind, Go Türkie are made for tourists from Poland or Russia flying to Turkey all inclusive. These are the cheapest vacations in the region and require the transportation to be as cheap as possible. The flight times are like 3 hrs or so at most.
Greed is a terrible thing. 😢😢😢
The Indigo B777s out there are one of the worst by far. They are frequently delayed and have a lot of issues when it comes to booking passengers on those flights!
Makes me wish I could instead be “tight packed” on a slave ship. A hellish experience at best.
Southwind is not Russian, it’s Turkish....
Its ownership is Russian. That’s why they are subject to the sanctions
550 seats??? ABSOLUTELY NOT for me!!!
If you are over 5 feet tall, practise yoga intensively for a few months before embarking. Unless you can roll yourself into a pretzel.
Can you say sardine cans?
No thank you. We aren’t eager to fly on any of these 777s. The whole idea of 3-4-3 economy on 777 must be made illegal. This is just inhumane.
The 777-300 is used for shorthaul flights which might allow for a high density seat configuration. But the 777-300ER for longhaul routes with 10 seats in a row should be forbidden, 10 seats is only possible in a A380 or 747 on longer routes, anything else is in conflict with UN human rights and should not be legal.😡😡😡😡😡
Flying sardine cans.
ah yes turkish 777 with indigo are getting off, not succesful and indigo wont be opersting them anymore, opting to use multiple a321s instead
Sounds horrific.
Gone are the days of passenger comfort. Welcome to facism.
Fascism is a concept you evidently do not understand well, so you should stop invoking it in every damn comment.
@orlandocfi One must demonstrate deeper understanding rather than being judgemental.
@@Burzilmanso enlighten us, what is facist about a lack of passenger comfort?
@MrSchwabentier Far right authoritarian leaders let only a few companies survive as large corporations run by their faithful. Then, such faithfuls replace innovative engineers with profiteers who would compromise quality over quantity. Reagan-Thetcher doctorined helped only corporations to survive that killed competition. A typical example is Boeing, being run by McDonnel Doughlas people, doing same practices that killed McDD. But since Boeing is a Hobson choice, it acts like a monopolist who is least concerned with pax comfort by profit. That's what fascism is doing in each sector, including the auto industry, by imposing EVs on public.
@@Burzilmanthats got nothing to do with facism. Please go educate yourself about the meaning of words before you write nonsensical comments.