I've been super impressed with my carbon NOBL TR37's laced to i9 101's. 101's are not as slick as the Hydra's, but 4 degree engagement is still very good, they are much cheaper and I've had 0 issues with 101's on a couple different wheelsets over a couple thousand miles of riding. About 1800g for them taped and with valves is not super light, but not tanks either and at $1300 is a solid deal for a solid carbon wheelset. Tire install is super easy on the TR37's, even DD DHR II took barely a twist of the wrist to seat and sealed easily with a standard floor pump.
I have the cheaper (350 hubbed, same rims) Rovals on my Spur. You guys are completely right about the vertical compliance. My previous experience with carbon wheels was an ultra stiff set of Giant branded hoops which put me off and sent me back to alu. These Rovals are exceptionally smooth and comfy for the long technical XC / light trail rides which I do. 1+ recommended.
Great video! I've always struggled with the cost/benefit aspect of carbon wheels. I've also had great luck with my workhorse alloy sets and I'm not too hard on wheels anyway. That said, I just pulled the trigger on a set of Light Bicycle wheels. I'm hoping that I'll ride them and be able to say "Oh, now I see what the fuss is all about with carbon wheels."
@@melloman999 I ended up getting the AM928 wheels with I9 1/1 hubs. They've been perfect and I ride everything from all-day epics to flow/jump trails. The value seems insane.
I ride 27.5” WeAre One Unions laced to Hydras. I can’t say enough great things about them. After destroying Race Face ARC30s over and over again at Mountain Creek I just sucked it up. They take the punishment and remain true with consistent spoke tension. Believe the hype!
@@asquare9316 the Hydra isn’t nearly as loud as the Torch. My hub has a distinct sound but not really what I would consider loud. More like a high pitched buzz. I was actually surprised (and relieved) when I put them on as I was debating between Hydras and Project 321. You can find me on Upper/Lower Dominion and Salvation any Saturday. Listen for that buzz…
I have a pair of We are One Faction wheels (27mm internal width and 32 spoke build) which I built with Onyx hubs. The build was a replacement to my original Raceface ARC27 aluminum set which came of my 2018 Hightower. I find the We are One Faction to have an engaging and precise feel and at 6 foot and 200 lbs, I find them to have a nice balance of stiffness and compliance. I've tried the Reserves 30 and found them to be too stiff. I think when comparing Aluminum vs Carbon in my experience both have their attributes, and I enjoyed both sets, but weight of rider I believe has a lot to do on how a particular wheel feels. Keep the good content coming.
@Half Biked! I am sticking with a Minion DHF in front and DHR2 out back, both in 2.3. My 2018 Hightower doesn't have a lot of clearance in the back, and I do a lot of pedaling so 2.3s do the job.
I've got the Roval SL wheels, I've always ridden Roval wheels, just because I have had such good luck with them, but thanx for confirming my choice, the lightness sold me, the way I can pick up speed, handle, and the ride, amaze me.. thanx again...
Awesome vid! Factors I look at in order of priority: 1. That they look cool (Eg I like how with Nobl you can customize on order) 2. Warranty - has to be lifetime (is a proxy of durability) 3. Weight - if it’s as much as alloy, the price hit isn’t worth it 4. Rim width
@@TheLoamWolf to be honest I don’t think I have the ability to tell the difference. Ride characteristics, at least to me, seem like more of a function of suspension set up. I have two bikes with alloy rims and one with carbon - what I notice is how much air is in the suspension and what the compression/rebound are set to. And likewise when trying out friends bikes with all sorts of variety… it’s never occurred me how the wheels feel. They all feel like regular wheels. :)
@@slick-riq depends on the weight of the rider +bike (Ex. e-bike), spoke tension, type of trail, and overall rider acuity. I’m a heavier guy and also ride an e-bike. Spoke count from say 28 to 32 really changed my riding. I increased the tension of my rear spokes on my 170/170 e-bike and that really made the difference. From really sloppy rear lateral movement, to composed accuracy when cornering at DH speeds, my aluminum rims get it done on Arc30 DH rims with Sapim race double butted spokes with brass nipples. The front is a little less rigid, to keep control, but also 32 spoke. I have Reserve 30’s on my Enduro rig and swapped them to the e-bike to try. I found that the e-bike became one-dimensional in terms of point and shoot. Stuck with the Arc30 HD rims. For the enduro rig, opposite story. The enduro rig was too sloppy all around. The carbon hoops really cleaned it up. When you’re riding gnar that can be treacherous, and pushing boundaries, you notice the small chatter and compound cadence during the ride. I ride my shocks very progressive, not too soft, so critical braking and cornering really defined where my setup with wheel characteristics impacted my rides tremendously. On moderate single track rides, it would be harder to define where the stress and loading could be impacted with more or less lateral and vertical response characteristics other than tire pressure. IMHO…
I replaced my m630 cracked enve with the evil loopholes. I did not expect such a big difference in feel, the loopholes muted the high-med vibrations and my wrist pain almost gone. I dont know if I can go back to a traditional carbon wheel.
For me it is important for a wheelset to be able to handle a heavy rider (280lbs) riding heavy and not always smooth. Reliability, some flex (I ride in AZ) to assist in traction and price are important to me. I currently run enduro alloy wheels (spank 359 laced with hydras) and I just deal with the weight penalty.
We don't have any weight restrictions on our Enduro/DH rims and we've got a few bigger, hard chargers on the staff side of things. Where in AZ are you located?
@WeAreOne Composites I'm in the phoenix valley. I ride Hawes and South Mountain several times a week and venture out to Sedona when I can. That is awesome there is no weight limit! Us big guys definitely appreciate the love. I would love to try your wheels sometime.
Hey Drew, I love the term "Shralping burms" I've been using that word for that same description on ripping on my surfboard, and never heard anyone else use that word, cool to hear it from you. by the way, Todd loves the new Rail,
Zipp moto3 on the front. You get loads of grip, but they are not strong enough for the rear. Santa Cruz Reserve for the rear. Pretty strong and very good warranty service with loads of dealers, at least here in the UK. I knocked 14 seconds off my previous PB first run on the Zipps. Unfortunately the rear rim only lasted 2 months before cracking. Warranty was good from Zipo though.
After 30 years of riding, my Reserve 30s are the best upgrade I have ever put onto a bike. IMHO carbon wheels are the way to go. Match that with a no questions asked warrenty and this will probly be my last set of wheels.
What about the Nobl TR37 compared whit those on the video? I thought the We Are One and the Nobl was compliant wheels but now I'm not so sure and I'm just about to decidí what to buy in the next few days.
Don't let what this guy says be your only guide. I run WR1's Union wheels 32h laced w/ CX-Rays to Chris Kings and unrideable is DEFINITELY NOT the term I would ever use describing these wheels. Granted i have a bias becuz were talking about wheels i own but I switched from a set of E13 TRS+ 28h aluminum wheels to the Unions and what i noticed was much better precision in picking thru lines, ability to snap out of corners with more speed and the durability/ holds spoke tension for much longer periods were all positives for me. Any kind of compliance issues involving transferring forces to rider hands and arms i believe can absolutely be mitigated with a lightweight insert such as a Rimpact or Tannus. Hope some can agree with this statement
Thanks for your input Jonathan! And we totally agree. All advice and reviews should be taken with consideration, and we typically try our best to preface our reviews with rider weight, riding style and terrain as wel as what we like out of a ride experience and who may or may not benefit from the component or bike being reviewed. That said, WR1 wheels are extremely stiff vertically and we have ridden lots of wheels carbon and aluminum that we’d rather have, but we’re sure there are plenty of people out there who enjoy them and we’re glad they do!
Dude, the We Are Ones are dope. I ride one of the gnarliest bike parks in the country as far as rocky tech goes (Mountain Creek) and don’t find them to be unrideable at all. Granted, I’m also running CushCore XC fr/rr. They track super precise and corner like you’re on rails. Not to mention I’ve abused the shit out of them through Jersey rock gnar with zero issues. There’s a reason Industry Nine partnered up with them for their rims.
I have we are ones union and a tr41, I prefer the we are ones. Tr41 stiff af, plus we are ones ate not subject to import tax sinc eits made in north america compared to nobl.
Hi Loam Wolf, I know this video is super old but, if you see this message please let me know what you think about Ibis S35 wheels and where they rank in this line up. Anyone else please chime in as well. I've got a new Nomad that I want carbon wheels for. Thank you! 😎🤙🏼
Just looking at the price they are not worth it, they give how much performance gain, 10% Maybe, while costing 2-10x as much, unless you rely on them when racing, there is no point, most are even less fun to ride, so why would you want to get them? As for specific choices, without riding any of them, the only one I'd ever consider is the Zipp 3.0 moto, cause it's the only one on the market at this point, that actually takes advantage of the different properties of this material.
I have a Pivot Switchblade with Super Boost in the rear. I use it more for trail riding, not tough enduro riding that the bike can handle. Looking for a compliant wheel that is lightweight. My DT Swiss 1900 wheels are just too heavy and the hubs have very low engagement. Any ideas? Sorry, but cost is a factor too!
Thanks for this awesome video. I'm considering swapping my set of alum wheels to carbon ones soon and this video is gonna help picking those wheels. When you talk weight and price are you talking set of two or just one wheel?
No Crank Brother's Synthesis? The E11 set I put on my SB130 has been bombproof and the "tune" is very well balanced between compliance stiffness. CC no carry these?
Do you guys still stand by the WAO wheels being one of the stiffest wheels you've ever tested after finding out that the Norco Bike had suspension issues?
Good video. I would be curious what you thought of the new WeAreOne Triads. They are the successors to the Unions and are supposed be more compliant. WeAreOne has a great warranty that includes crash protection, which is one of the most important aspects to buying carbon rims for me. Rims are too expensive to have to worry about. So much so that it will change how you ride.
Weight, rim width, durability, and ride quality are the main factors I would consider. Price…well…we are talking carbon hoops and it also depends on the hubs/spoke selection. Additionally, how do the latest models from ENVE stack up in this comparison??
what do you think of the Bontrager Line elite current wheelset? I recently bought a set for my SLash 8. I think same weight as my standard alloy bendy wheels, but loads stronger in the tight and fast corners to really load them up, and havent noticed much more harshness on hits yet.
IMHO, one of the best options on the market. The warranty on them is amazing and Trek customer service is very strong. I'm a fan of the TLR system for tubeless too. I guess it's clear - I'm a fan.
Great vid. I know mixing wheel brands is frowned upon but it would nice to see the zip up front for compliance with a regular carbon rim in the back. I wonder how it would affect the ankle compliance experience and if it would be a better set up for park.
Personally this answered a fair deal of questions I had on carbon vs aluminum. Really can’t see why I’d go carbon given the nominal weight differences for many of them. I’m in Phoenix and would like to know what’s generally recommended for my kind of terrain (fast, lots of pedaling, and chunky)
They use a lot more carbon material than they used to, so they're a lot tougher to break, and that's why a lot of them come with a lifetime warranty. They're not gonna save you a ton of weight, so that's not really why people get them anymore. If you're denting alloy rims and find yourself having to replace them every 1-2 years, then it makes sense to go carbon. The added stiffness and durability make them a great choice, but if your alloy rims are holding up, I'd just keep them. I live in PA, but head to Hawes went Sedona a few times a year. I went through 2 alloy rims (DT XM 1700s) in 6 months, so ended up getting Reserve 31 DH with 350 hubs and I love them.
@@topspot4834 Really appreciate your thoughts! I've been looking at the WeAreOne Convergence, but since my alu Rovals are working fine then there's no need to rush.
One benefit I hear about carbon rims is that you don’t need to true them as often as aluminum rims. I can’t really weigh in on that personally aside from the fact that I’ve done about a dozen rides on my Race Face carbon rims on very rocky trails and they are still true.
Carbon wheels are awesome (had a set of Derby carbon wheels with syntace hubs) but it is worth buying them new just so you have the warranty with them for peace of mind, although for me personally I am running the dtswiss ex511 rims and loving them just as I am a heavier rider and I find I tend to ding rims way too much and don't want to risk cracking a carbon rim with no warranty
Hi Loam Wolf - I have an ask. For some reason there are almost no reviews on TH-cam about the NOBL TR37s and they're more about the specs vs. the experience/pros/cons. However they seem like a high quality offering, reasonably priced, notably light, and all the vert stiff w/compliance qualities you'd want in a wheel... I'm baffled why they don't show up in wheel review lists. Would love your analysis on this wheel!
We actually have a set of Custom Nobl wheels on one of our bikes right now (can't confirm the model at the moment). We'll work on making a video review on them as soon as we get enough miles under them.
Thanks. **Next wheel vid* : Reliability comes in first and second. Handling comes in third. and Price comes in four. Yes, rotating weight is important, and that is part of the handling aspect. Hits are getting bigger and bigger. Missed landing happen. Rocks. Harsh edges. Correct tire choice takes the edge off all other factors.
Yeah worried about durability and price, had two different carbon wheels on the front and rear and about ever 4-6 months the carbon wheels would break, and cause me to walkout. They would be warranty every time (4x) but still a pain. Even tried inserts and still broke. Went back to aluminum and haven’t had an issue for over a year half. I have friends that have never had an issue though 🤷🏼♂️, do miss the feel of those carbon.
I dig your videos! However, with such a big hiccup in testing the WAO wheel; I feel like the right move at this point is redo this video with the update included. WAO didn't deserve the bad review and this video doesn't do them justice.
You'll want to avoid mounting anything valuable very closely, or right behind exhaust. Even with an alloy wheel, if it's close enough you'll burn the rubber or cause that tire to warp, or possibly damage frame.
Warranty turn around time should be considered when purchasing. Zipp replaced my moto wheel for free but it took 6 weeks. A friend had Ibis replace his wheel turn around was 10 days and for Santa Cruz I've heard 2 days. This was just this past fall. Also for the Zipp moto wheels you can buy the Tyrewiz TPM stems which shows your exact tire pressure on your phone, bike computer or there's an LED on them that flashes different colors to verify pressure.
I don't think the wheel set weight data you submitted in this video is real for the zipp 3Zero moto! The weight given by you is 1030 grams for the set which I don't think is the real weight. if that were the case, I would have bought them a long time ago.
the zipps are $700 for JUST the rim. weareones are $475. thats a massive difference. If you're in the industry, you can get weareones for less than $300. Zipp isn't even allowing discounts right now and that, to me, says a lot about inventory. Sram(they own zipp) usually is great with that kind of stuff but if youre looking for a wheel and money isn't a concern, then obviously you can make whatever choice you want but no matter how much money you have, $700 for a rim is simply way too much. 99% of aluminum wheels are less than $180 and then putting a hub and spokes in that set up will double or even triple the price for some
No carbon wheels are not "worth it." But neither is having 3 bikes for different types of riding. Point being it won't make you faster but you still may enjoy having more toys.
I have a pair of Reserve 30 when I got a SC Megatower. When I rode the for the first time I was very impressed about the stiffness and how they’re precise. For sure I’ll keep these wheelset for a long time, I’m love with them
Any other recommendations on wheels for emtb riding, except Zipp? Also, I would like to see a aluminum wheel roundup, for both mtb and emtb! And finally, I think 32 spoke wheels stand better as far as strength is concerned and are more forgiving to heavier riders! Cheers! Can’t wait for your emtb shootout!!!
what I don't like about carbon is that at some point it is going to brake, I want something that, if I'm not stupid and brake it in a dumb way, I want it to last ages and carbon does not do that
Not sure if we have the TR37's but we do have a pair of Nobl's on one of our bikes right now for review. We just haven't spent enough time on them to share our feedback at the moment.
Never going back to aluminum. Carbon is much more durable and doesn't dent. If the carbon fails and cracks, then you get a free rim with the lifetime warranty most brands now offer. Dent your aluminum rim and good luck seating that tire... Sure, carbon is a bit costly but you pretty much get a set of rims for life with the warranty. Also if you ride long distances the vibration dampening of carbon will lead to less fatigue.
I love my ENVE eBike wheels ...they work great on 2.5 to 2.8 tire width...I run 2.6" on my 35mm internal width rim...little pricy @ $3K/set with Chris King hubs....but are gorgeous to look at and ride!
Carbon are good for XC and Road racing for all mountain, enduro and downhill nah Carbon is so stiff and breaking resistance is so low it will crack really fast these manufacturer will cheat on reinforcing it with alluminum alloy then top it off with Carbon then call it carbon wheels. They are good on frames but not on Wheels in my opinion
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I've been super impressed with my carbon NOBL TR37's laced to i9 101's. 101's are not as slick as the Hydra's, but 4 degree engagement is still very good, they are much cheaper and I've had 0 issues with 101's on a couple different wheelsets over a couple thousand miles of riding. About 1800g for them taped and with valves is not super light, but not tanks either and at $1300 is a solid deal for a solid carbon wheelset. Tire install is super easy on the TR37's, even DD DHR II took barely a twist of the wrist to seat and sealed easily with a standard floor pump.
I have the cheaper (350 hubbed, same rims) Rovals on my Spur. You guys are completely right about the vertical compliance. My previous experience with carbon wheels was an ultra stiff set of Giant branded hoops which put me off and sent me back to alu. These Rovals are exceptionally smooth and comfy for the long technical XC / light trail rides which I do. 1+ recommended.
O que falha da roval é a garantia.
Great video! I've always struggled with the cost/benefit aspect of carbon wheels. I've also had great luck with my workhorse alloy sets and I'm not too hard on wheels anyway. That said, I just pulled the trigger on a set of Light Bicycle wheels. I'm hoping that I'll ride them and be able to say "Oh, now I see what the fuss is all about with carbon wheels."
Any update Ari? Would you recommend pulling the trigger? Thanks. I hope you are happy with your purchase
@@melloman999 I ended up getting the AM928 wheels with I9 1/1 hubs. They've been perfect and I ride everything from all-day epics to flow/jump trails. The value seems insane.
I ride 27.5” WeAre One Unions laced to Hydras. I can’t say enough great things about them. After destroying Race Face ARC30s over and over again at Mountain Creek I just sucked it up. They take the punishment and remain true with consistent spoke tension. Believe the hype!
Awesome to hear your input thanks for sharing.
I understand that Hydra hubs work great, but how can you stand the noise? Maybe I'll "run into" you at Mountain Creek, I guess I'll hear you!! haha
@@asquare9316 the Hydra isn’t nearly as loud as the Torch. My hub has a distinct sound but not really what I would consider loud. More like a high pitched buzz. I was actually surprised (and relieved) when I put them on as I was debating between Hydras and Project 321.
You can find me on Upper/Lower Dominion and Salvation any Saturday. Listen for that buzz…
My buddies ar30s didn’t last one day on his patrol.
@asquare9316 if you think the sound is bad, you should check out how bad the drag is on the rear hub, and how poor the sealing is. Top teir trash..
My neighbor asked me how much my new MTB wheels cost. He spit his coffee out and said WOW when I told him.
I have a pair of We are One Faction wheels (27mm internal width and 32 spoke build) which I built with Onyx hubs. The build was a replacement to my original Raceface ARC27 aluminum set which came of my 2018 Hightower. I find the We are One Faction to have an engaging and precise feel and at 6 foot and 200 lbs, I find them to have a nice balance of stiffness and compliance. I've tried the Reserves 30 and found them to be too stiff. I think when comparing Aluminum vs Carbon in my experience both have their attributes, and I enjoyed both sets, but weight of rider I believe has a lot to do on how a particular wheel feels. Keep the good content coming.
@Half Biked! I am sticking with a Minion DHF in front and DHR2 out back, both in 2.3. My 2018 Hightower doesn't have a lot of clearance in the back, and I do a lot of pedaling so 2.3s do the job.
Thanks for the detailed response and appreciate it.
I've got the Roval SL wheels, I've always ridden Roval wheels, just because I have had such good luck with them, but thanx for confirming my choice, the lightness sold me, the way I can pick up speed, handle, and the ride, amaze me.. thanx again...
Awesome vid!
Factors I look at in order of priority:
1. That they look cool (Eg I like how with Nobl you can customize on order)
2. Warranty - has to be lifetime (is a proxy of durability)
3. Weight - if it’s as much as alloy, the price hit isn’t worth it
4. Rim width
Thank you for sharing. so ride quality, performance are not in your top 4?
@@TheLoamWolf to be honest I don’t think I have the ability to tell the difference.
Ride characteristics, at least to me, seem like more of a function of suspension set up.
I have two bikes with alloy rims and one with carbon - what I notice is how much air is in the suspension and what the compression/rebound are set to.
And likewise when trying out friends bikes with all sorts of variety… it’s never occurred me how the wheels feel. They all feel like regular wheels. :)
@@slick-riq depends on the weight of the rider +bike (Ex. e-bike), spoke tension, type of trail, and overall rider acuity. I’m a heavier guy and also ride an e-bike. Spoke count from say 28 to 32 really changed my riding. I increased the tension of my rear spokes on my 170/170 e-bike and that really made the difference. From really sloppy rear lateral movement, to composed accuracy when cornering at DH speeds, my aluminum rims get it done on Arc30 DH rims with Sapim race double butted spokes with brass nipples. The front is a little less rigid, to keep control, but also 32 spoke. I have Reserve 30’s on my Enduro rig and swapped them to the e-bike to try. I found that the e-bike became one-dimensional in terms of point and shoot. Stuck with the Arc30 HD rims. For the enduro rig, opposite story. The enduro rig was too sloppy all around. The carbon hoops really cleaned it up. When you’re riding gnar that can be treacherous, and pushing boundaries, you notice the small chatter and compound cadence during the ride. I ride my shocks very progressive, not too soft, so critical braking and cornering really defined where my setup with wheel characteristics impacted my rides tremendously. On moderate single track rides, it would be harder to define where the stress and loading could be impacted with more or less lateral and vertical response characteristics other than tire pressure. IMHO…
Would be interesting to hear how some of the new "Fusion Fiber" polymer carbon rims (e.g. Revel RW30, Evil Loopholes) stack up.
I replaced my m630 cracked enve with the evil loopholes. I did not expect such a big difference in feel, the loopholes muted the high-med vibrations and my wrist pain almost gone. I dont know if I can go back to a traditional carbon wheel.
For me it is important for a wheelset to be able to handle a heavy rider (280lbs) riding heavy and not always smooth. Reliability, some flex (I ride in AZ) to assist in traction and price are important to me. I currently run enduro alloy wheels (spank 359 laced with hydras) and I just deal with the weight penalty.
Brotha we are the weight penalty 😂😂 I’m 250 myself lol
@Aim_assist_assassin true that man. I like to call it "built for gravity"
We don't have any weight restrictions on our Enduro/DH rims and we've got a few bigger, hard chargers on the staff side of things. Where in AZ are you located?
@WeAreOne Composites I'm in the phoenix valley. I ride Hawes and South Mountain several times a week and venture out to Sedona when I can. That is awesome there is no weight limit! Us big guys definitely appreciate the love. I would love to try your wheels sometime.
Yes!! Slightly depressed when I see a wheelset can handle my stature. 😳
Hey Drew, I love the term "Shralping burms" I've been using that word for that same description on ripping on my surfboard, and never heard anyone else use that word, cool to hear it from you.
by the way, Todd loves the new Rail,
schralping is a term used in mtb quite a lot actually! goto whistler and i'm sure youll hear kids saying it every 2 minutes
Shrill it up brah!!!
Haha right on Greg. Thanks and stoked he is diggin it
Zipp 30Moto weight is almost 2000G not 1030 per set (typo)
Zipp moto3 on the front. You get loads of grip, but they are not strong enough for the rear. Santa Cruz Reserve for the rear. Pretty strong and very good warranty service with loads of dealers, at least here in the UK. I knocked 14 seconds off my previous PB first run on the Zipps. Unfortunately the rear rim only lasted 2 months before cracking. Warranty was good from Zipo though.
Nice review, can you do a round up of aluminium wheel sets?
We’re working on that! Stay tuned
@@TheLoamWolf don' forget to test Newmen rims! Evolution XA 25, Evolution A30 and Evolution EG 30. Sooo much better than DT swiss!
I’m on Stan’s Crest MK4 with i9 101 hubs but will be getting NOBL TR32 with i9 Hydra soon
TR32 is lot a more durable than I thought it would be. Killer wheels for me so far
@@SnowShackboy 28H only I was skeptical but damn, I’m impressed. I love them.
After 30 years of riding, my Reserve 30s are the best upgrade I have ever put onto a bike. IMHO carbon wheels are the way to go. Match that with a no questions asked warrenty and this will probly be my last set of wheels.
they are the best, love Competitive Cyclist, Josh, my geared, is awesome!
Compiance
Cost
Weight
Roval Control’s are awesome
I am a little surprised with the lack of weight saving over Alloy.
You should include the enve am30 cheers
What about the Nobl TR37 compared whit those on the video? I thought the We Are One and the Nobl was compliant wheels but now I'm not so sure and I'm just about to decidí what to buy in the next few days.
Don't let what this guy says be your only guide. I run WR1's Union wheels 32h laced w/ CX-Rays to Chris Kings and unrideable is DEFINITELY NOT the term I would ever use describing these wheels. Granted i have a bias becuz were talking about wheels i own but I switched from a set of E13 TRS+ 28h aluminum wheels to the Unions and what i noticed was much better precision in picking thru lines, ability to snap out of corners with more speed and the durability/ holds spoke tension for much longer periods were all positives for me. Any kind of compliance issues involving transferring forces to rider hands and arms i believe can absolutely be mitigated with a lightweight insert such as a Rimpact or Tannus. Hope some can agree with this statement
@@jonathanangieri153 first hand info💪🏼 thanks man 🤘🏼
Thanks for your input Jonathan! And we totally agree. All advice and reviews should be taken with consideration, and we typically try our best to preface our reviews with rider weight, riding style and terrain as wel as what we like out of a ride experience and who may or may not benefit from the component or bike being reviewed. That said, WR1 wheels are extremely stiff vertically and we have ridden lots of wheels carbon and aluminum that we’d rather have, but we’re sure there are plenty of people out there who enjoy them and we’re glad they do!
Dude, the We Are Ones are dope. I ride one of the gnarliest bike parks in the country as far as rocky tech goes (Mountain Creek) and don’t find them to be unrideable at all. Granted, I’m also running CushCore XC fr/rr. They track super precise and corner like you’re on rails. Not to mention I’ve abused the shit out of them through Jersey rock gnar with zero issues. There’s a reason Industry Nine partnered up with them for their rims.
I have we are ones union and a tr41, I prefer the we are ones. Tr41 stiff af, plus we are ones ate not subject to import tax sinc eits made in north america compared to nobl.
Hi Loam Wolf, I know this video is super old but, if you see this message please let me know what you think about Ibis S35 wheels and where they rank in this line up. Anyone else please chime in as well. I've got a new Nomad that I want carbon wheels for. Thank you! 😎🤙🏼
Just looking at the price they are not worth it, they give how much performance gain, 10% Maybe, while costing 2-10x as much, unless you rely on them when racing, there is no point, most are even less fun to ride, so why would you want to get them?
As for specific choices, without riding any of them, the only one I'd ever consider is the Zipp 3.0 moto, cause it's the only one on the market at this point, that actually takes advantage of the different properties of this material.
I have a Pivot Switchblade with Super Boost in the rear. I use it more for trail riding, not tough enduro riding that the bike can handle. Looking for a compliant wheel that is lightweight. My DT Swiss 1900 wheels are just too heavy and the hubs have very low engagement. Any ideas? Sorry, but cost is a factor too!
Thanks for this awesome video. I'm considering swapping my set of alum wheels to carbon ones soon and this video is gonna help picking those wheels. When you talk weight and price are you talking set of two or just one wheel?
No ENVE AM 30’s?
So the Zip3moto are not 1030 grams for a wheelset right? This is what we see in the video’s picture description. Thanks
Are titanium spokes a thing for MTB? In Bmx there all the rage.
No Crank Brother's Synthesis? The E11 set I put on my SB130 has been bombproof and the "tune" is very well balanced between compliance stiffness. CC no carry these?
We do love those wheels! Very solid set we just didn’t have a pair on hand for review.
So what are your thoughts about elite carbon wheels for road riding with a mtb
how can you not add the I9 sets to these comparisons?
Great review. I have a set of Roval Control Carbon wheels off my epic that I'm thinking about putting on my Levo (2019 Alloy). Good idea or bad idea?
Do you guys still stand by the WAO wheels being one of the stiffest wheels you've ever tested after finding out that the Norco Bike had suspension issues?
No sir, we are about to drop a correction video after getting another set and will be posting that and linking it here...
@@TheLoamWolf Awesome! Looking forward to it.
Good video. I would be curious what you thought of the new WeAreOne Triads. They are the successors to the Unions and are supposed be more compliant. WeAreOne has a great warranty that includes crash protection, which is one of the most important aspects to buying carbon rims for me. Rims are too expensive to have to worry about. So much so that it will change how you ride.
Did you not consider M Series from ENVE?
Weight, rim width, durability, and ride quality are the main factors I would consider. Price…well…we are talking carbon hoops and it also depends on the hubs/spoke selection.
Additionally, how do the latest models from ENVE stack up in this comparison??
Great vid!
Please include some ENVEs for the next one 🙏🏼
This sucks for me because i live in socal but still like big hits haha wish you could have included nobl
what do you think of the Bontrager Line elite current wheelset? I recently bought a set for my SLash 8. I think same weight as my standard alloy bendy wheels, but loads stronger in the tight and fast corners to really load them up, and havent noticed much more harshness on hits yet.
IMHO, one of the best options on the market. The warranty on them is amazing and Trek customer service is very strong. I'm a fan of the TLR system for tubeless too.
I guess it's clear - I'm a fan.
Great video guys, regarding the Orbea Rise alloy , you said the bike will be better with different wheels, what ones would you recommend? Thanks
I’m using the
dt swiss xrc 1200 spline 25mm
Great vid. I know mixing wheel brands is frowned upon but it would nice to see the zip up front for compliance with a regular carbon rim in the back. I wonder how it would affect the ankle compliance experience and if it would be a better set up for park.
I've seen slo mo vid of a 3Zero moto REALLY bending during a schralp into a berm, the rim didn't break, but the rider did say it felt a bit sketchy.
Personally this answered a fair deal of questions I had on carbon vs aluminum. Really can’t see why I’d go carbon given the nominal weight differences for many of them. I’m in Phoenix and would like to know what’s generally recommended for my kind of terrain (fast, lots of pedaling, and chunky)
They use a lot more carbon material than they used to, so they're a lot tougher to break, and that's why a lot of them come with a lifetime warranty. They're not gonna save you a ton of weight, so that's not really why people get them anymore. If you're denting alloy rims and find yourself having to replace them every 1-2 years, then it makes sense to go carbon. The added stiffness and durability make them a great choice, but if your alloy rims are holding up, I'd just keep them.
I live in PA, but head to Hawes went Sedona a few times a year. I went through 2 alloy rims (DT XM 1700s) in 6 months, so ended up getting Reserve 31 DH with 350 hubs and I love them.
@@topspot4834 Really appreciate your thoughts! I've been looking at the WeAreOne Convergence, but since my alu Rovals are working fine then there's no need to rush.
One benefit I hear about carbon rims is that you don’t need to true them as often as aluminum rims. I can’t really weigh in on that personally aside from the fact that I’ve done about a dozen rides on my Race Face carbon rims on very rocky trails and they are still true.
Great review, thanks, just tired of the the word "shred"
Nobl TR37
Loving mine.
@@symmetricon1982 me too. Seems like an incomplete review without them
How are the Nobls in general? I'm between We Are One and the Nobl but can't find info about the compliance of those.
Reserve 30 with hydras on a Bronson 2022 🤙
mesmerized by the lid.
Always thought about carbon wheels, but I always go for dt swiss with 350 hubs 36 tooth engagement. Most of my riding is full power ebike.
Only reasons I look at carbon wheels is there stability and the warranty that comes with them as I smashed a lot of rims
Definitely worried about the durability of carbon and the price. Looking forward to seeing how the carbon stacks up to alloy
I’d like to know your guys opinion on the nobl wheel sets
We don't really have one... Perhaps we can get a set for a long term review and check 'em out!
Why did you leave Nobl out?
We hadn't yet ridden Nobl's when we filmed this video.
Carbon wheels are awesome (had a set of Derby carbon wheels with syntace hubs) but it is worth buying them new just so you have the warranty with them for peace of mind, although for me personally I am running the dtswiss ex511 rims and loving them just as I am a heavier rider and I find I tend to ding rims way too much and don't want to risk cracking a carbon rim with no warranty
Hi Loam Wolf - I have an ask. For some reason there are almost no reviews on TH-cam about the NOBL TR37s and they're more about the specs vs. the experience/pros/cons. However they seem like a high quality offering, reasonably priced, notably light, and all the vert stiff w/compliance qualities you'd want in a wheel... I'm baffled why they don't show up in wheel review lists. Would love your analysis on this wheel!
We actually have a set of Custom Nobl wheels on one of our bikes right now (can't confirm the model at the moment). We'll work on making a video review on them as soon as we get enough miles under them.
@@TheLoamWolf Any update on this please?
It's coming. We've got enough time on them now. Just need to film/write the review now. , have it ready to publish in the next 2/3 weeks.
@@TheLoamWolf has this review been published?
Lateral not vertically
have you tested the Reserve 30 SL with the Hydra hubs yet? 1750G 29er
We have and they are pretty nice.
Thanks. **Next wheel vid* : Reliability comes in first and second. Handling comes in third. and Price comes in four. Yes, rotating weight is important, and that is part of the handling aspect. Hits are getting bigger and bigger. Missed landing happen. Rocks. Harsh edges. Correct tire choice takes the edge off all other factors.
I have a pair of Roval Control with DTSwiss 350 and I love them…very complaints and robust
Just got a pair myself. Very very happy with them
why dont we ever hear about the Raceface Arc Carbon wheels? Big brand with no mention.
We reviewed a set of their wheels that were on an Orbea Rise we had. Check out the website for that.
Yeah worried about durability and price, had two different carbon wheels on the front and rear and about ever 4-6 months the carbon wheels would break, and cause me to walkout. They would be warranty every time (4x) but still a pain. Even tried inserts and still broke. Went back to aluminum and haven’t had an issue for over a year half. I have friends that have never had an issue though 🤷🏼♂️, do miss the feel of those carbon.
I dig your videos! However, with such a big hiccup in testing the WAO wheel; I feel like the right move at this point is redo this video with the update included. WAO didn't deserve the bad review and this video doesn't do them justice.
Is there concern with mounting these carbon wheels on a hitch rack, near exhaust pipes? I believe Nobel issued a statement warning against this.
You'll want to avoid mounting anything valuable very closely, or right behind exhaust. Even with an alloy wheel, if it's close enough you'll burn the rubber or cause that tire to warp, or possibly damage frame.
Warranty turn around time should be considered when purchasing. Zipp replaced my moto wheel for free but it took 6 weeks. A friend had Ibis replace his wheel turn around was 10 days and for Santa Cruz I've heard 2 days. This was just this past fall.
Also for the Zipp moto wheels you can buy the Tyrewiz TPM stems which shows your exact tire pressure on your phone, bike computer or there's an LED on them that flashes different colors to verify pressure.
That is a good point. Although current inventory situations could be a bit different than usual for many brands.
@@TheLoamWolf Right. And personally, over the top gizmos are not valued / appreciated.
I don't think the wheel set weight data you submitted in this video is real for the zipp 3Zero moto! The weight given by you is 1030 grams for the set which I don't think is the real weight. if that were the case, I would have bought them a long time ago.
i think he said 1800gm not sure
@@danieljames4584 I paid attention to the background image where the wheel set data was displayed.
Yes there was a typo that slipped through apologies!
the zipps are $700 for JUST the rim. weareones are $475. thats a massive difference. If you're in the industry, you can get weareones for less than $300. Zipp isn't even allowing discounts right now and that, to me, says a lot about inventory. Sram(they own zipp) usually is great with that kind of stuff but if youre looking for a wheel and money isn't a concern, then obviously you can make whatever choice you want but no matter how much money you have, $700 for a rim is simply way too much. 99% of aluminum wheels are less than $180 and then putting a hub and spokes in that set up will double or even triple the price for some
No carbon wheels are not "worth it." But neither is having 3 bikes for different types of riding. Point being it won't make you faster but you still may enjoy having more toys.
Spinergy wheels are the best!
Would love to hear recommendations for lighter riders who only weigh 120 lbs and ride Trial/Enduro trails.
Control SL! For sure.
I have a pair of Reserve 30 when I got a SC Megatower. When I rode the for the first time I was very impressed about the stiffness and how they’re precise. For sure I’ll keep these wheelset for a long time, I’m love with them
Any other recommendations on wheels for emtb riding, except Zipp? Also, I would like to see a aluminum wheel roundup, for both mtb and emtb! And finally, I think 32 spoke wheels stand better as far as strength is concerned and are more forgiving to heavier riders! Cheers! Can’t wait for your emtb shootout!!!
I don’t understand why a bike that weighs 7 kg more than other bikes in a similar category would warrant special wheels unless the rider is heavy.
what I don't like about carbon is that at some point it is going to brake, I want something that, if I'm not stupid and brake it in a dumb way, I want it to last ages and carbon does not do that
Thought on Nobl TR37 enduro wheel set?
Not sure if we have the TR37's but we do have a pair of Nobl's on one of our bikes right now for review. We just haven't spent enough time on them to share our feedback at the moment.
Never going back to aluminum. Carbon is much more durable and doesn't dent. If the carbon fails and cracks, then you get a free rim with the lifetime warranty most brands now offer. Dent your aluminum rim and good luck seating that tire... Sure, carbon is a bit costly but you pretty much get a set of rims for life with the warranty. Also if you ride long distances the vibration dampening of carbon will lead to less fatigue.
That is certainly great and different feedback than many others! Thanks for sharing
NOBL 37's....... lifetime warranty...... enough said
Zipp made a carbon wheel to have the same benefits of aluminum. Ha
I love my ENVE eBike wheels ...they work great on 2.5 to 2.8 tire width...I run 2.6" on my 35mm internal width rim...little pricy @ $3K/set with Chris King hubs....but are gorgeous to look at and ride!
Uk and national park rider
Carbon are good for XC and Road racing for all mountain, enduro and downhill nah Carbon is so stiff and breaking resistance is so low it will crack really fast these manufacturer will cheat on reinforcing it with alluminum alloy then top it off with Carbon then call it carbon wheels. They are good on frames but not on Wheels in my opinion
vertical compliance doesnt exist. horizontal yes, vertical? no
Ok
I just want lite wheels. , for everything!! This vid is lame!
Competitive Cyclist is the pharmacy of online bike shops...overpriced.
Hello, Competitive Cyclist site shows an error when I tried to apply LOAMWOLF15.
The code should still work. However, it won't apply to some items, and won't work on items that are already on sale (I believe).
@@TheLoamWolf thanks, trying to apply it with the Reserve 30 HD I9