Advantages for a community that is new and starts that way from the ground up. I can't imagine a co-op system be used to replace a long standing society if a different economic build. Overall it just sounds like a good neighborly community, which people in general struggle with building.
@@kage2907 turning all enterprises into co-ops will lead to such,I think not.The only thing that's different with this is community ownership,and they've struggled to build because of a lack of resources and capital,when they have a lot of resources (both mineral and human)economies of scale can make it very easy to do.
@@wesleywagumba812 anything is always easy to build when someone has resources before hand. Collective minds can achieve that...when its a collective mind. Forced participation for a greater good is theft.
@@kage2907 I agree with your last part,that's why at first it has to start as voluntary(just like how capitalism started).And after the lives of the people under it are vastly improved,with higher standards of living,the rest of the population will want in.Essentially creating class consciousness using practicality rather than theory(the latter will be for the first adopters)
@@kage2907 With the basics of food, shelter,clothing and medical care,And having access to resources,such a system,in my opinion,can be built from scratch.
Most people just want a life in which they're financially secure and can afford luxuries.I believe it works for 90% of people.If you haven't noticed as the manpower,resources and scale increases (the latter two are dependent to manpower)the standards of living of people under the program also rise,the housing even looks better.I believe when done at a very large scale,most people will be pretty wealthy.Since most goods and services can be easily produced as human utility can be satisfied easily.
What about Anarko socialism or markets that are democratic without hierarchy, city councils and laws created by the very city council. Laws should be voted on by the public. Wake up Afrikans and non Afrikans, let's bring justice to this planet now!!!
Please can you give me more ideas about this? I’m Nigerian and trying to start my own cooperative for developing an alternative economy for a small group of people for a start. I really need ideas and people who share in my vision. It seems impossible right now but I know it is.
@@chambersinternational7347 the details include the majority of a society dictating the rules, dictating the economy, and having a vote on producing goods and homes. As far as getting it done, they got to have people skills to merge and work together.
@@garrettcole2251 ok thanks for breaking it down! I really need to this, although I need some motivation. The economy of Nigeria is messed up right now and I’ve been thinking that forming an Alternative economy through cooperatives would be a good way out.
@@chambersinternational7347 regarding the sound frequency of Nigeria, you gonna have to change that Energy brotha. That energy has not provided health and happiness for the 400 million plus people in that area. Though the Ijaw, Yoruba, Igbo are closely related.
@@chambersinternational7347 Atibu reflects the old economy. Plus your area needs to give up some people to build farming and production spaces. The area is over populated
Soooo....where do I put my boat? And my camper? And how do you have enough space between you and others to feel..."right"? I like my neighbors. And I like the fact that there is an extra city lot between me and the one neighbor...and a 5 acre lot between me and the other. I like people...but I don't want to live that close to any of them.
The housing is like that because of limited resources, they started it with very few people,and limited resources,as manpower increases,which may increase the resources available for use (like the scale in the farm increasing)it will be easier to construct such type of housing(mansions in their own compounds with more independence).This is simply a small scale version.
There are these plans for buildings to live in that allow people extra space if needed called "houses". And plans for lower cost buildings with shared communal spaces called "apartments"
For those who want to live this way, these ideas are great, and can bring about a happy and sustainable community. But most people do not want to live in this manner, and they need an alternative model.
It's all voluntary. The important part is not "hey, we build our houses from wood" or "hey, we're extremely energy efficient". It's the concept of a worker cooperative that makes it so powerful. All the decisions are made democratically, one person one vote, no matter how many capital you've brought into the project, you still got one vote. So the project is equally owned by all members, that means that the project is almost certain to have an outcome in favor of everyone (unlike in a conventional capitalist enterprise where you have one person at the top, usually demanding way more than he contributes). Everyone can have a big house and a big car and a big family and long holidays when you don't have a capitalist parasite demanding a huge villa, a boat, a private jet and dozends of cars...
I like the idea that cooperation enhances collective intelligence. This is useful to keep in mind
very interesting talk, this should have 8 million views.
Thank you for the push!
democracy in the workplace? yes please
Seems like this idea of co-op has some real advantages that we must explore.
Advantages for a community that is new and starts that way from the ground up. I can't imagine a co-op system be used to replace a long standing society if a different economic build. Overall it just sounds like a good neighborly community, which people in general struggle with building.
@@kage2907 turning all enterprises into co-ops will lead to such,I think not.The only thing that's different with this is community ownership,and they've struggled to build because of a lack of resources and capital,when they have a lot of resources (both mineral and human)economies of scale can make it very easy to do.
@@wesleywagumba812 anything is always easy to build when someone has resources before hand. Collective minds can achieve that...when its a collective mind.
Forced participation for a greater good is theft.
@@kage2907 I agree with your last part,that's why at first it has to start as voluntary(just like how capitalism started).And after the lives of the people under it are vastly improved,with higher standards of living,the rest of the population will want in.Essentially creating class consciousness using practicality rather than theory(the latter will be for the first adopters)
@@kage2907 With the basics of food, shelter,clothing and medical care,And having access to resources,such a system,in my opinion,can be built from scratch.
Tellement inspirant !! Ca fait rêver !!
The only way democracy can be maintained is giving real power to the people. This by mandating worker ownership of their workplaces.
Very inspiring even after 4 years later.
Great Presentation. Simple and elegant with a spoonful of hope. Going to find out more.
A beautiful system. I envy you.
I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
Yes!
Your job is precisely with your cooperatives what I am looking for Madeira Island, i'm going to visit you at Geneva
Did you do it?
@@wesleywagumba812 On my way in July
Great
This may work with people that align to this ideas but is not for everybody.
Most people just want a life in which they're financially secure and can afford luxuries.I believe it works for 90% of people.If you haven't noticed as the manpower,resources and scale increases (the latter two are dependent to manpower)the standards of living of people under the program also rise,the housing even looks better.I believe when done at a very large scale,most people will be pretty wealthy.Since most goods and services can be easily produced as human utility can be satisfied easily.
What about Anarko socialism or markets that are democratic without hierarchy, city councils and laws created by the very city council. Laws should be voted on by the public. Wake up Afrikans and non Afrikans, let's bring justice to this planet now!!!
Please can you give me more ideas about this? I’m Nigerian and trying to start my own cooperative for developing an alternative economy for a small group of people for a start. I really need ideas and people who share in my vision. It seems impossible right now but I know it is.
@@chambersinternational7347 the details include the majority of a society dictating the rules, dictating the economy, and having a vote on producing goods and homes.
As far as getting it done, they got to have people skills to merge and work together.
@@garrettcole2251 ok thanks for breaking it down! I really need to this, although I need some motivation. The economy of Nigeria is messed up right now and I’ve been thinking that forming an Alternative economy through cooperatives would be a good way out.
@@chambersinternational7347 regarding the sound frequency of Nigeria, you gonna have to change that Energy brotha. That energy has not provided health and happiness for the 400 million plus people in that area. Though the Ijaw, Yoruba, Igbo are closely related.
@@chambersinternational7347 Atibu reflects the old economy. Plus your area needs to give up some people to build farming and production spaces. The area is over populated
Soooo....where do I put my boat? And my camper? And how do you have enough space between you and others to feel..."right"? I like my neighbors. And I like the fact that there is an extra city lot between me and the one neighbor...and a 5 acre lot between me and the other. I like people...but I don't want to live that close to any of them.
The housing is like that because of limited resources, they started it with very few people,and limited resources,as manpower increases,which may increase the resources available for use (like the scale in the farm increasing)it will be easier to construct such type of housing(mansions in their own compounds with more independence).This is simply a small scale version.
There are these plans for buildings to live in that allow people extra space if needed called "houses". And plans for lower cost buildings with shared communal spaces called "apartments"
A cooperative economy is called Market Socialism.
All depends on the type of cooperative and the goals set by the members. There are lots of cooperatives in America and the U.K.
Only if they are run by the workers
@@clipboss8052 that's a workers cooperative. There are many other types.
@@rangerstrade2268 I know what you are saying. But for an economy to be called "Market Socialist" it has to be controlled primarily by the workers.
More like Christian social market economics.
Classic ghetto
For those who want to live this way, these ideas are great, and can bring about a happy and sustainable community.
But most people do not want to live in this manner, and they need an alternative model.
But what if it was type of voluntary cooperation?
Why not just have options for people so they can decide for themselves?
It is a voluntary model and no one is telling people who want to live differently to do so
It's all voluntary. The important part is not "hey, we build our houses from wood" or "hey, we're extremely energy efficient". It's the concept of a worker cooperative that makes it so powerful.
All the decisions are made democratically, one person one vote, no matter how many capital you've brought into the project, you still got one vote. So the project is equally owned by all members, that means that the project is almost certain to have an outcome in favor of everyone (unlike in a conventional capitalist enterprise where you have one person at the top, usually demanding way more than he contributes). Everyone can have a big house and a big car and a big family and long holidays when you don't have a capitalist parasite demanding a huge villa, a boat, a private jet and dozends of cars...
That's where Americans come 😎 we don't like that